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Covid vaccine 3rd dose?

Hi Everyone,
So it was just announced in Toronto Canada that third doses are starting. Does anyone know how I book my third dose? I called my GI and left a message but I know my family dr and specialist are not administering vaccines. Do I go to a pharmacy? If there is anyone on here in Toronto, let me know!
thanks!
 

Tesscorm

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Hi Lam123

from what i read, IBD patients don’t qualify.It was a very select group of transplant and cancer patients.


as far as finding a clinic, try googling Toronto or Ontario covid vaccine and you shud find thd correct site.
 

my little penguin

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That is similar to the wording for the US version
It has wording that was not in all the news releases but was in the information sent to the pharmacies and on the US CDC website does Canada have a similar website for info ??
 
I wouldn't put that stuff in me for all the money in the world. I have enough problems with Crohn's and no one knows what the long term effects of this thing will be, especially tripling up on it. Lots of problems have been reported that are being downplayed.
 

Tesscorm

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Unfortunately, 'immunosuppressant medication' doesn't necessarily mean remicade, humira, etc. I went through this when I was trying to get my son his second dose at the manufacturer's schedule, rather than the Cdn govn's 16 week schedule. When I was trying to get my son's second dose 'early', his GI signed a letter stating that he qualified for an early dose. However, when we tried to get his second dose, at multiple clinics/hospitals, we were always told remicade for crohns didn't qualify for early second dose.

As per the news article below, which I believe is from a government site, there are specific requirements to qualify as 'immunosuppressant' - both in diagnosis and type of medication. I did just a bit of research as to what are anti-CD20 medications - I didn't find remicade or humira in the list of drugs.


Based on the recommendation of the Chief Medical Officer of Health and health experts, the province will begin offering third doses of a COVID-19 vaccine to select vulnerable populations:
  • Transplant recipients (including solid organ transplant and hematopoietic stem cell transplants)
  • Patients with hematological cancers (examples include lymphoma, myeloma, leukemia) on active treatment (chemotherapy, targeted therapies, immunotherapy) for malignant hematologic disorders
  • Recipients of an anti-CD20 agent (e.g. rituximab, ocrelizumab, ofatumumab)
  • Residents of high-risk congregate settings including long-term care homes, higher-risk licensed retirement homes and First Nations elder care lodges


Hopefully, your GI can provide you with some info.

I'd love to get my son's third dose asap!! It would certainly relieve alot of my worries too. :( If you do find other info, please share! :)

(FWIW, as third doses are being considered by Health Canada, I am hopeful it's only a matter of time... IDK if it'll help you before school starts but, hopefully, it won't be too much later)
 
Unfortunately, 'immunosuppressant medication' doesn't necessarily mean remicade, humira, etc. I went through this when I was trying to get my son his second dose at the manufacturer's schedule, rather than the Cdn govn's 16 week schedule. When I was trying to get my son's second dose 'early', his GI signed a letter stating that he qualified for an early dose. However, when we tried to get his second dose, at multiple clinics/hospitals, we were always told remicade for crohns didn't qualify for early second dose.

As per the news article below, which I believe is from a government site, there are specific requirements to qualify as 'immunosuppressant' - both in diagnosis and type of medication. I did just a bit of research as to what are anti-CD20 medications - I didn't find remicade or humira in the list of drugs.


Based on the recommendation of the Chief Medical Officer of Health and health experts, the province will begin offering third doses of a COVID-19 vaccine to select vulnerable populations:
  • Transplant recipients (including solid organ transplant and hematopoietic stem cell transplants)
  • Patients with hematological cancers (examples include lymphoma, myeloma, leukemia) on active treatment (chemotherapy, targeted therapies, immunotherapy) for malignant hematologic disorders
  • Recipients of an anti-CD20 agent (e.g. rituximab, ocrelizumab, ofatumumab)
  • Residents of high-risk congregate settings including long-term care homes, higher-risk licensed retirement homes and First Nations elder care lodges


Hopefully, your GI can provide you with some info.

I'd love to get my son's third dose asap!! It would certainly relieve alot of my worries too. :( If you do find other info, please share! :)

(FWIW, as third doses are being considered by Health Canada, I am hopeful it's only a matter of time... IDK if it'll help you before school starts but, hopefully, it won't be too much later)
Ok, thanks for this info. I should be getting a call today so I will definitely update any info. I’m not too worried about school, last year I taught in a school that had lots of covid, with mask and shield I was well protected and went to my car to eat.
 

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I ran it by my doctor and she will administer my 3rd dose when the Ontario government announces the green light for it unless I can get it at my pharmacy where I had my second shot. The sooner the better, as I worry about the variants and further complications that may arise as we head into the fall and winter seasons.
 
I ran it by my doctor and she will administer my 3rd dose when the Ontario government announces the green light for it unless I can get it at my pharmacy where I had my second shot. The sooner the better, as I worry about the variants and further complications that may arise as we head into the fall and winter seasons.
What medication are you taking?
 
As I was ore occupied I'm not 100% but what I did pick up is a lot of data is coming from Israel and being used in usa and uk.
Something to do with biden announcing 3rd doses, and almost 50% of hospital admissions are now immune suppressed, they said something about old data and admison rates I think were 95% of non vaccinated people.

But sorry I don't know the exact country, more than likely the news will repeat it. A lot.
 

my little penguin

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Numbers in the media
There are a small percentage of vaccinated individuals who are hospitalized with COVID .
Of that small percent who are vaccinate AND hospitalized 40-50% of those folks are immunocompromised (organ transplants ,cancer patient and other which may include those taking biologics (depends on the countries definition of varies )

So if 4 people who are vaccinated are hospitalized then 1-2 are probably immunocompromised

This is why most countries are offering the third shot (not booster ) to immunocompromised folks
 

my little penguin

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The booster at least is the US is being offered later in the fall /winter in the US based on Israel and drug trials etc sent to the US CDC which show 6-8 months after the second dose of Pfizer or Moderna antibodies /protect are reduced on the average person (which is not the same as the immunocompromised third shot )
 
Yes
Numbers in the media
There are a small percentage of vaccinated individuals who are hospitalized with COVID .
Of that small percent who are vaccinate AND hospitalized 40-50% of those folks are immunocompromised (organ transplants ,cancer patient and other which may include those taking biologics (depends on the countries definition of varies )

So if 4 people who are vaccinated are hospitalized then 1-2 are probably immunocompromised

This is why most countries are offering the third shot (not booster ) to immunocompromised folks
Yes, this makes sense. My GI dr called today and said currently in Toronto, people taking immune suppressant meds don’t qualify for third dose unless it’s a transplant patient or cancer patient. He did say that he thinks in the next phase of third shots will include people like myself. So until then I will be cautious like I have been for the last 18 months.
 
As I was ore occupied I'm not 100% but what I did pick up is a lot of data is coming from Israel and being used in usa and uk.
Something to do with biden announcing 3rd doses, and almost 50% of hospital admissions are now immune suppressed, they said something about old data and admison rates I think were 95% of non vaccinated people.

But sorry I don't know the exact country, more than likely the news will repeat it. A lot.
Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world AND is now among the highest rate of active COVID infections. Everyone take that to mean what you will.

I talked to a friend this morning who works in one of the supposedly over-run hospitals. Said that almost all of the COVID cases there were admitted for another reason and just happened to test positive for COVID. Most have few if any symptoms. And most were vaccinated versus not.

Be careful with what any of the media says. Remember - fear sells......
 
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Tesscorm

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Just some thoughts...

I wish they would make the number of new hospitalizations as public as they do new cases. I don't believe new cases which result in few to no symptoms are as problematic or indicative of a more serious issue as new hospitalizations. No vaccine has promised to be 100% protective of preventing catching the virus but they are significantly protective of developing serious illness. (The caveat is that the original vaccines were not developed to fight the variants, hence new hospitalizations would be a more useful number.)

Personally, I think it is misleading when headlines highlight new cases only.

As well, I think 'vulnerable' and 'immune-compromised' are often lumped together. Vulnerable may mean seniors in their 80s, 90s, people with pre-existing conditions AS WELL as those who are immune-compromised due to meds or illness. I believe Israel has started 3rd doses not just to immune-comprised but to vulnerable people, which I believe include people 50 and over.

Also, keep in mind Israel was one of the first countries to begin vaccinating their population. If protection is lessening by 8 months (which is what I believe CDC has alluded to), then it does make sense that their numbers are rising.

One last thought... as much as countries do not want lockdowns due to the impact on economies, having a large number of positive cases equals a large number of people in isolation, double that number when you add in live-in family members and you now have quite a few people unable to work outside of home for a few days. This, too, will have a running impact on the economy. It may be a better option to lock down for a short time?? So, a lockdown isn't necessarily a reaction to health risk.
 
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Just some thoughts...

I wish they would make the number of new hospitalizations as public as they do new cases. I don't believe new cases which result in few to no symptoms are as problematic or indicative of a more serious issue as new hospitalizations. No vaccine has promised to be 100% protective of preventing catching the virus but they are significantly protective of developing serious illness. (The caveat is that the original vaccines were not developed to fight the variants, hence new hospitalizations would be a more useful number.)

Personally, I think it is misleading when headlines highlight new cases only.

As well, I think 'vulnerable' and 'immune-compromised' are often lumped together. Vulnerable may mean seniors in their 80s, 90s, people with pre-existing conditions AS WELL as those who are immune-compromised due to meds or illness. I believe Israel has started 3rd doses not just to immune-comprised but to vulnerable people, which I believe include people 50 and over.

Also, keep in mind Israel was one of the first countries to begin vaccinating their population. If protection is lessening by 8 months (which is what I believe CDC has alluded to), then it does make sense that their numbers are rising.

One last thought... as much as countries do not want lockdowns due to the impact on economies, having a large number of positive cases equals a large number of people in isolation, double that number when you add in live-in family members and you now have quite a few people unable to work outside of home for a few days. This, too, will have a running impact on the economy. It may be a better option to lock down for a short time?? So, a lockdown isn't necessarily a reaction to health risk.
I agree with your post. I would rather know new hospital cases then new cases in general. Or new cases that are severely ill, I’m not sure I need to know who is home with sniffles.
The third dose I think in Israel has moved to anyone 40 and older, my GI said we will be following them and the US, so in the meantime I’m going to continue what I’m doing, wearing my mask indoors and enjoy time with my family and friends in my backyard.
locldowns are tough, especially the one Ontario just went through. I would like to see another option to a lockdown, not sure what that is, but it’s devastating for a lot of people, businesses and kids. My son is an only child so the lockdown meant no in person learning, no swimming lessons, no hockey, no seeing family or friends, after awhile that becomes extremely difficult. But we are getting through and continue to be thankful each day that we are healthy.
 
I wish they would make the number of new hospitalizations as public as they do new cases. I don't believe new cases which result in few to no symptoms are as problematic or indicative of a more serious issue as new hospitalizations.....Personally, I think it is misleading when headlines highlight new cases only.
Exactly!

Here in Maryland, one of our local stations has started reporting the overall positive number plus the number of new hospitalizations. For example, yesterday's numbers were reported as 1,012 new cases and 19 new hospitalizations. 19/1,012 is about 1.9% rounded up. So of yesterday's new cases, 98.1% did not require hospitalization. That number is much more likely to draw a yawn and a shrug versus "1,012 new cases today!", which can induce sheer terror if it's presented right.

One last thought... as much as countries do not want lockdowns due to the impact on economies, having a large number of positive cases equals a large number of people in isolation, double that number when you add in live-in family members and you now have quite a few people unable to work outside of home for a few days. This, too, will have a running impact on the economy. It may be a better option to lock down for a short time?? So, a lockdown isn't necessarily a reaction to health risk.
Anybody else remember "14 days to slow the spread" when this lockdown insanity first hit last Spring? That was the mantra of all the media outlets. 14 days ended up turning into almost 4 months of complete lockdowns and even longer for businesses like restaurants. I personally know a family who owned a small restaurant since the 1950s that didn't survive the lockdowns. A lot more small business owners were in the same boat - they lost everything. My heart really goes out to all our friends in Australia and New Zealand who are going through another round of this junk. Many people hadn't recovered financially from the first one.
 
Exactly!

Here in Maryland, one of our local stations has started reporting the overall positive number plus the number of new hospitalizations. For example, yesterday's numbers were reported as 1,012 new cases and 19 new hospitalizations. 19/1,012 is about 1.9% rounded up. So of yesterday's new cases, 98.1% did not require hospitalization. That number is much more likely to draw a yawn and a shrug versus "1,012 new cases today!", which can induce sheer terror if it's presented right.



Anybody else remember "14 days to slow the spread" when this lockdown insanity first hit last Spring? That was the mantra of all the media outlets. 14 days ended up turning into almost 4 months of complete lockdowns and even longer for businesses like restaurants. I personally know a family who owned a small restaurant since the 1950s that didn't survive the lockdowns. A lot more small business owners were in the same boat - they lost everything. My heart really goes out to all our friends in Australia and New Zealand who are going through another round of this junk. Many people hadn't recovered financially from the first one.
I agree. 4 months for you? My lockdown here in Toronto was the longest lockdown in the world, 7.5 months of no restaurants, no salon, no in person shopping, everything closed. It was beyond terrible and devastating for so many people. I agree with your numbers, how it’s being told to us sends fear.
 
There were some businesses (sit down restaurants, theaters, gyms, etc.) that were shut down longer. Church services could only be held virtually, then at 25% capacity, then 50%, then finally back to full capacity this May. Baltimore City didn't completely ease restrictions until almost this June.
 
There were some businesses (sit down restaurants, theaters, gyms, etc.) that were shut down longer. Church services could only be held virtually, then at 25% capacity, then 50%, then finally back to full capacity this May. Baltimore City didn't completely ease restrictions until almost this June.
I had a few students and their families had their own business and they could barely put food on the table, all the help promised from the government never seem to come.
 

Tesscorm

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Very sad for many people. I've always worked in the downtown core and I don't know how those businesses will survive. Even if they've held on thus far, the ability to make back the losses of the last two years will be hard to achieve. Even when employees return to offices, it will not be at the same numbers... becoming more and more apparent that the new norm will be lots of flex hours/days - meaning those downtown businesses will never have the same number of customers they once had. :( Most people I know are expecting to go back to offices 2-4 days per week; I'm expecting to go in 2 days. That means only 2 days when I'll be buying coffees, lunches, snacks, shopping, etc. Pre-COVID, that spending was 5 days a week. Over the past few months, I've gone in to office every few weeks and, each time, I've seen more and more small businesses permanently closed. Many were family owned, with many having multiple family members working there. I feel very sorry for them and I hope they did receive govn support, even if only temporary.
 
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I agree with your post. I would rather know new hospital cases then new cases in general. Or new cases that are severely ill, I’m not sure I need to know who is home with sniffles.
Here in San Diego, the county health department releases new statistiscs each week including for hospitalizations, not just total cases. In both hospitalizations and new cases the differences between the fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated are striking:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/cont...VID-19 Case Summary by Vaccination Status.pdf

Fortunately, the percentages of the population that has been vaccinated is fairly high: 73.6%

 
Here in San Diego, the county health department releases new statistiscs each week including for hospitalizations, not just total cases. In both hospitalizations and new cases the differences between the fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated are striking:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19 Case Summary by Vaccination Status.pdf

Fortunately, the percentages of the population that has been vaccinated is fairly high: 73.6%

Thank you for sharing. This is such a good breakdown.
 

Lady Organic

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I just saw on the television briefly, almost 50% of hospital admissions now are people who are immune suppressed.
Not a surprise unfortunately... In Canada, there was absolutely NO information on the news telling immunocompromised patients to still be careful after vaccination. I've found this so irresponsible. It took forever for immunocompromised people to get standard vaccination schedule on top of it. This matter was completely eluded during mainstream vaccination campaign.
 
Not a surprise unfortunately... In Canada, there was absolutely NO information on the news telling immunocompromised patients to still be careful after vaccination. I've found this so irresponsible. It took forever for immunocompromised people to get standard vaccination schedule on top of it. This matter was completely eluded during mainstream vaccination campaign.
I agree. I didn’t even realize we were not protected by vaccine until I read on here, the news in Toronto said nothing and has given very little info for third shots now.
 
As an engineer, I can say based on my 22 years' experience in the field that ANY product, I don't care if it's an engine, radio, computer, pharmaceutical, or whatever, that is rushed through development and testing is going to have problems. Some problems are minor, some are major and many take time to manifest. The vaccine has already proven itself to be ineffective - otherwise, there wouldn't be any of the talk about third shots and the 'where do we go from here?' banter. We also wouldn't be seeing a second wave in the middle of summer of all times that seems to be striking just as many vaccinated as non-vaccinated people. Many pandemics had a second wave that looked like a harmonic of the original. For example, during the Spanish Flu, the curve took off in September 1918, reaching a peak in October/November 1918. Then, there was a second smaller wave in the late winter/early spring of 1919. By the summer of 1919, it had flattened again.

The FDA in the US should be ashamed of themselves for approving this thing so fast, especially when the jury is still out about overall effectiveness, which seems to be decreasing by the day, and long term effects that are still unknown and still being documented. Look at how long it's taken to get many of the drugs we take to make our lives easier approved. And rightfully so - those conducting the testing were doing their jobs and rigorously documenting the effectiveness of the drug along with potential side effects and associated possible long term risks. Then and only then was the drug recommended for full approval. For the shot, there is already documented evidence of myocarditis and blood clots in people who would not normally be pre-disposed to them (for example, males aged 18-25 or so) along with neurological issues and other ailments that cannot be explained. I personally knew one person who threw a clot and died after taking their second shot and have a family member who went blind in one eye due to a blood clot after taking the second shot. In any other situation, this kind of evidence would be enough for the shot to not get approved, or at least would warrant further testing and scrutiny before approval would be considered.

I'm not saying anyone should or should not get the shot or a potential booster, nor am I judging those who did or did not. Like everything else in life, it should be a matter of personal choice based on one's own risk assessment done by analyzing all the data available. I don't like how some employers are starting to demand it as a condition of employment. Some are even so bold they are not accepting medical documentation saying a person should not take the shot. In any other time, this would be an instant lawsuit, at least in the US.

Also, be careful with anything you hear in the media and independently verify anything from all sources. As I said before "fear sells". All the talking heads here are going on and on about the numbers going up, yet very few are mentioning that less than 2% of the new cases have required hospitalization. All data points are required to tell the complete story and unfortunately, many media outlets omit critical information.

Wishing all of you the best of health and luck.
 
As an engineer, I can say based on my 22 years' experience in the field that ANY product, I don't care if it's an engine, radio, computer, pharmaceutical, or whatever, that is rushed through development and testing is going to have problems. Some problems are minor, some are major and many take time to manifest. The vaccine has already proven itself to be ineffective - otherwise, there wouldn't be any of the talk about third shots and the 'where do we go from here?' banter. We also wouldn't be seeing a second wave in the middle of summer of all times that seems to be striking just as many vaccinated as non-vaccinated people. Many pandemics had a second wave that looked like a harmonic of the original. For example, during the Spanish Flu, the curve took off in September 1918, reaching a peak in October/November 1918. Then, there was a second smaller wave in the late winter/early spring of 1919. By the summer of 1919, it had flattened again.

The FDA in the US should be ashamed of themselves for approving this thing so fast, especially when the jury is still out about overall effectiveness, which seems to be decreasing by the day, and long term effects that are still unknown and still being documented. Look at how long it's taken to get many of the drugs we take to make our lives easier approved. And rightfully so - those conducting the testing were doing their jobs and rigorously documenting the effectiveness of the drug along with potential side effects and associated possible long term risks. Then and only then was the drug recommended for full approval. For the shot, there is already documented evidence of myocarditis and blood clots in people who would not normally be pre-disposed to them (for example, males aged 18-25 or so) along with neurological issues and other ailments that cannot be explained. I personally knew one person who threw a clot and died after taking their second shot and have a family member who went blind in one eye due to a blood clot after taking the second shot. In any other situation, this kind of evidence would be enough for the shot to not get approved, or at least would warrant further testing and scrutiny before approval would be considered.

I'm not saying anyone should or should not get the shot or a potential booster, nor am I judging those who did or did not. Like everything else in life, it should be a matter of personal choice based on one's own risk assessment done by analyzing all the data available. I don't like how some employers are starting to demand it as a condition of employment. Some are even so bold they are not accepting medical documentation saying a person should not take the shot. In any other time, this would be an instant lawsuit, at least in the US.

Also, be careful with anything you hear in the media and independently verify anything from all sources. As I said before "fear sells". All the talking heads here are going on and on about the numbers going up, yet very few are mentioning that less than 2% of the new cases have required hospitalization. All data points are required to tell the complete story and unfortunately, many media outlets omit critical information.

Wishing all of you the best of health and luck.
Thank you for the info and perspective. I find myself in a constant back and forth with being protected, and bending careful but again not missing out on too much. For example, I never saw my family last Christmas, and so I’m not sure I want to spend another Christmas without my parents, who knows how many more Christmas I have with them, but I also don’t want to end up in ICU or spread something to them. I am always looking at the new cases, but you are right, and my husband keeps telling me the same, new hospitalization is what matters. Not new cases.
 
Even the hospitalization numbers can be misleading because they are taken out of context. The friend I mentioned earlier who works in a hospital told me two days ago the medics brought in a 93 year old lady who was experiencing complications related to congestive heart failure. She was admitted and was tested for COVID while she was there. She tested positive even though she did not exhibit any symptoms. By testing positive and being in the hospital, she is considered a hospitalized case and added to the official count, even though she was admitted for CHF.

I know it's frustrating not seeing family and friends because of lockdowns and other restrictions. My personal advice would be to visit with them, but make sure common sense applies. Stay a couple of arms length apart from everyone if possible. If you or someone else in your family is sick or may be sick, re-schedule for another date when everyone is feeling better. We've visited my wife's parents several times and have abided by similar protocols and no one has gotten sick.
 
Even the hospitalization numbers can be misleading because they are taken out of context. The friend I mentioned earlier who works in a hospital told me two days ago the medics brought in a 93 year old lady who was experiencing complications related to congestive heart failure. She was admitted and was tested for COVID while she was there. She tested positive even though she did not exhibit any symptoms. By testing positive and being in the hospital, she is considered a hospitalized case and added to the official count, even though she was admitted for CHF.

I know it's frustrating not seeing family and friends because of lockdowns and other restrictions. My personal advice would be to visit with them, but make sure common sense applies. Stay a couple of arms length apart from everyone if possible. If you or someone else in your family is sick or may be sick, re-schedule for another date when everyone is feeling better. We've visited my wife's parents several times and have abided by similar protocols and no has gotten sick.
I think moving forward that is my plan. Right now and for the next month or so I can still see everyone outside safely. But once winter hits, I will find a way safely
 

my little penguin

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Found this from U of M
Explains in a lot of detail the need for the third dose and why

@Lam123
Please talk to your Gi prior to visiting indoors at the time
Risks are constantly changing and what is recommended is very individualized and specific to that person/situation may be different when you decide to visit .

There are no solid answers
No right path

We go with what my kiddos specialists recommend for him at the time .

Everyone in the household wears masks out in public and avoids crowds

He does not go out unnecessarily to any indoor places (except doctors etc..)

Visiting
As of right now that is outside with a multiple layer mask / 6 ft or more with vaccinated teenage friends. .
Yours may recommend different measures
As stated before he is on two biologics and mtx
With asthma as well so a different scenario than most.

We have seen what his system does when stressed by simple flu (prior to be vaccinated against it at age 2) .
 
Found this from U of M
Explains in a lot of detail the need for the third dose and why

@Lam123
Please talk to your Gi prior to visiting indoors at the time
Risks are constantly changing and what is recommended is very individualized and specific to that person/situation may be different when you decide to visit .

There are no solid answers
No right path

We go with what my kiddos specialists recommend for him at the time .

Everyone in the household wears masks out in public and avoids crowds

He does not go out unnecessarily to any indoor places (except doctors etc..)

Visiting
As of right now that is outside with a multiple layer mask / 6 ft or more with vaccinated teenage friends. .
Yours may recommend different measures
As stated before he is on two biologics and mtx
With asthma as well so a different scenario than most.
We have seen what his system does when stressed by simple flu (prior to be vaccinated against it at age 2) .
Absolutely. I will be seeing my GI next week and have this discussion with him. I always take his advice and trust him. I haven’t seen anyone indoors in my house since before covid. I always wear a mask indoors and never anywhere with a crowd. The summer has been wonderful seeing everyone outdoors safely.
 
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It's true that there are risks associated with the COVID vaccines. There are risks associated with any vaccine or any medicine for that matter. But it is obvious in the numbers that the risks associated with the disease are far greater and far more likely to result in a very bad outcome than the risks from the vaccine.

Those ICUs filling up with COVID patients are not an illusion.
 
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Take a look at the current (as of Aug. 17) COVID-19 case rate, hospitalization rate, and death rate here in San Diego County for fully vaccinated vs non-fully vaccinated residents. The differences are huge. And this is in spite of the fact that over 70% of the eligible population of the county has been fully vaccinated.

A 24-fold majority of the COVID cases, a 116-fold majority of the COVID hospitalizations, and an 84-fold majority of the COVID deaths are all coming from less than 1/3rd of the population - the portion that is not fully vaccinated. Numbers like these are compelling. The huge benefits of the vaccine are undeniable.

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cmack

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I personally know of several people who have lost loved ones to covid-19. One fellow I know lost his mom and dad within three days of each other. I can assure you all it's very real. A little needle poke is nothing compared to people you love dying. Personally, I chose to take both doses of Pfizer and everything went fine.
 
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My wife has been told by her cardiologist to get the 3rd Pfizer vaccine when she can, hopefully very soon. She is afraid that, because of her Heart Failure and Pulmonary Hypertension, that if she gets covid she will die! Given her health condition, it is not a unwarranted fear. As far as the "booster" shot, is it any different from the flu vaccine, where you must get vaccinated every year to deal with the current variant of the flu? I'm not surprised at all about Covid variants coming about.
 
That "little needle poke" has had catastrophic effects on many people. As of 23 August in the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. Government, there are 514,270 adverse reaction reports to the COVID vaccine and 5,118 documented deaths. These are only the instances that have been documented. Some doctors are saying the actual numbers are probably at least twice that and go unreported since there has been a fear culture created in the medical community about retaliation if one is to say any negative truths about the vaccine. In addition, we still don't know what the long term effects are. I'm still very afraid of this thing and see it as a game of Russian roulette. Five of the six chambers in the cylinder may be empty, but I don't feel lucky enough to squeeze the trigger and find out.

No vaccine in history has had numbers like this - it should have been recalled long ago. My understanding is that Japan has already pulled the Moderna version and will not use it.
 

cmack

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Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. I can respect that we all have a right to freedom of speech and expression. I have never tried (nor ever will) to upset anyone who may disagree with my point of view... I want to share my story so others can learn from my personal experience. No prejudice here. Peace!
 
That "little needle poke" has had catastrophic effects on many people. As of 23 August in the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. Government, there are 514,270 adverse reaction reports to the COVID vaccine and 5,118 documented deaths. These are only the instances that have been documented. Some doctors are saying the actual numbers are probably at least twice that and go unreported since there has been a fear culture created in the medical community about retaliation if one is to say any negative truths about the vaccine. In addition, we still don't know what the long term effects are. I'm still very afraid of this thing and see it as a game of Russian roulette. Five of the six chambers in the cylinder may be empty, but I don't feel lucky enough to squeeze the trigger and find out.

No vaccine in history has had numbers like this - it should have been recalled long ago. My understanding is that Japan has already pulled the Moderna version and will not use it.
I just wanted to add some context to this. This is from the CDC website:
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Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 369 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 30, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,218 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of August 25, 2021, more than 14.2 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 44 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
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Also, the reason that Japan pulled the Moderna vaccine this week is that they found vials with contaminants in them. The problem was not with the vaccine itself.
 
Take a look at the current (as of Aug. 17) COVID-19 case rate, hospitalization rate, and death rate here in San Diego County for fully vaccinated vs non-fully vaccinated residents. The differences are huge. And this is in spite of the fact that over 70% of the eligible population of the county has been fully vaccinated.

A 24-fold majority of the COVID cases, a 116-fold majority of the COVID hospitalizations, and an 84-fold majority of the COVID deaths are all coming from less than 1/3rd of the population - the portion that is not fully vaccinated. Numbers like these are compelling. The huge benefits of the vaccine are undeniable.

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I’m back on the forum after a long time, way before COVID and it’s refreshing to see a post like this! I got my 3rd dose a few weeks ago from my medical provider. Happy to do what I can!
 
Location
San Diego
Does anyone know when is the best timing to take the third dose?
how many weeks or months after the 2nd shot?
I had my 2nd shot in June.
I'm am in the low range of protection (blood test confirming).
I got my third dose this week (arm still sore), and I got my second dose last February. But I don't think you need to wait nearly that long. If you are already in the low range of protection I'd say there is no time like the present for that third dose.
 

Lynda Lynda

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Location
Arizona
I get my 3rd dose tomorrow. My 1st dose was in April and 2nd dose in May. I live in Arizona USA and restrictions have been lifted here for a lot of things, yet I still continue to wear my mask everywhere and I don't go inside restaurants, libraries, coffee shops or attend events. I am retired and already stayed home a lot before Covid, so that part has not affected me too much. I was already using grocery delivery too.

My sister and brother-in-law, who are part time residents of Idaho and Arizona, were very careful for a year about wearing masks, not going places, etc. When restrictions were lifted they traveled to Oregon and started going out again. They are both vaccinated. Fast forward to a few days ago......they both have Covid and are quaranteened to stay at home ! Wow.

Everyone Stay Safe and Stay Healthy 🦋

*** Well now I get a call at 6:30pm and my Moderna 3rd dose will take place on 9/22 !!!!
 
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dianasgarden

Diagnosed July, 2021. Ridiculously new at this!
Location
US (east coast)
That "little needle poke" has had catastrophic effects on many people. As of 23 August in the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. Government, there are 514,270 adverse reaction reports to the COVID vaccine and 5,118 documented deaths. These are only the instances that have been documented. Some doctors are saying the actual numbers are probably at least twice that and go unreported since there has been a fear culture created in the medical community about retaliation if one is to say any negative truths about the vaccine. In addition, we still don't know what the long term effects are. I'm still very afraid of this thing and see it as a game of Russian roulette. Five of the six chambers in the cylinder may be empty, but I don't feel lucky enough to squeeze the trigger and find out.

No vaccine in history has had numbers like this - it should have been recalled long ago. My understanding is that Japan has already pulled the Moderna version and will not use it.
Please be careful about using the VAERS database to conclude that there are any problems with the covid vaccine. Anyone is allowed to add to the VAERS database. Just because someone has a particular symptom after they had the vaccine, does not at all prove that the vaccine caused the problem.

Truth is that hospitals are filling up with people suffering from Covid-19 illness. No hospital is filling up with people suffering from vaccine related illness. The hospital where I work currently has about 40 covid patients. We have had zero vaccine related illness patients. Serious reactions to the vaccine are rare.
 
Hi Everyone,
So it was just announced in Toronto Canada that third doses are starting. Does anyone know how I book my third dose? I called my GI and left a message but I know my family dr and specialist are not administering vaccines. Do I go to a pharmacy? If there is anyone on here in Toronto, let me know!
thanks!
I got my third dose (booster) 18 days ago and with IBD you absolutely qualify. I'm not too sure why people are saying why we wouldn't. Also not too sure how appointments work in Canada but I went to CVS in a Target store.
 
I got my third dose (booster) 18 days ago and with IBD you absolutely qualify. I'm not too sure why people are saying why we wouldn't. Also not too sure how appointments work in Canada but I went to CVS in a Target store.
Canada’s eligibility works differently then the US. IBF patients just became eligible this week.
 
Location
San Diego
I got my third dose (booster) 18 days ago and with IBD you absolutely qualify. I'm not too sure why people are saying why we wouldn't. Also not too sure how appointments work in Canada but I went to CVS in a Target store.

And the best part about going to a CVS located in a Target store is that if you get the vaccine they also give you a coupon worth $5.00 on any purchase at Target. They do that for flu shots too. Stand-alone CVS stores do not do that.
 
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