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Decision to make....HELP!! :(

decision to make....HELP!! :(

Hey guys,

Its been a long time since I've visited this forum, so I will attempt to reintroduce myself. My name is Tom, and I've had Crohns Disease for the last 13 years now.

When I originally signed up for this website, I lived in a small town called Warsaw, Indiana with my wife Susan at the time, with a job at the local factory. Along with Crohns, I was born with a condition called Congenital Rubella Syndrome. It means in lamen terms "my mom had a form of measles called Rubella while she was pregnant with me". Ya the MMR vaccine could have prevented that, but mom became pregnant with me back in 1969, the year the MMR vaccine was invented, so it wasn't widely available until after she became pregnant with me, during the widespread Rubella epidemic.

Normally, CRS causes the newborn to be blind, deaf, and mentally retarded, but like everything else, CRS affects everyone differently depending upon how severe the pregnant mother got the Rubella while pregnant. My mom didn't even know she had Rubella, thats how mild she had it, until the day I was born... I mean, she did know, but didn't have the high fever or bumps like most people who get Rubella have.

The CRS, as its commonly called, left me completely blind at birth. I just recently found this out, but the CRS also left me with a mild form of retardation called Autism. I have various social issues, especially in explaining things to my doctor. I do fine in writing, but socially as well as verbal communication I have issues. I never knew it because I was never diagnosed with anything specifically, until I saw a psychologist after my GI in Fort Wayne dismissed me as a patient. So he tested me, and confirmed the diagnosis. I have a 70 IQ he tells me, and I'm not aware of the symptoms of my own diagnosis, so when I get upset about stuff, half the time I don't remember doing it the next day, so what I notice is lack of memory retention, sometimes I think I have altimers at times, hehe, but it goes much deeper then all that apparently.

Anyway, since I signed up for this site, I moved back to Ft Wayne Indiana (my original home town) after finalizing a divorce in September 2008, and loosing my job a year before that, and am living solely on disability right now. I put my house up for sale in July 2008, a month after my wife left me for another guy, and the house finally sold just before thanksgiving of 2008, so I moved back to Fort Wayne just before thanksgiving of last year basically. Living alone ever since, I don't even have a girlfriend, just a friend, or anybody. Emotionally I'm ok with all that, but being blind and living with crohns on top of that makes living more difficult without help, ya know?

Here in Ft Wayne, I'm living in an apartment complex that is half government subsidized, half not, and because there are no more government slots available in this complex, until someone moves out, I am paying $545 a month right now just on my rent alone, and since I only get $800 on disability, that doesn't leave much for food or anything else, but luckily I have medicare and Medicaid, but not food stamps, so I still struggle with money left for food, transportation, and such. Since I live 1/2 mile away from the nearest CityLink bus stop, its difficult just getting groceries even, but if I somehow can walk that 1/2 mile, the bus is FREE for me to go anywhere I need to go in this town, which is a big plus, thats why I moved back here.

Anyway, since my GI/surgeon team in Ft Wayne dismissed me as a patient, I was seeing a GI/surgeon team in South Bend, but they referred me to a specialist in Indianapolis, at the IU Medical Center there in Indy.

He did a detailed scope on me, and discovered I have a bad illeum, 9 soars in my large intestine, and several Fistulas in the Rectum area. Some of those I knew about from the soars around my butt crack area that I've fussed with over the years, but apparently there are more up inside the lower large intestine and rectum area, he showed me pictures..

So, they are giving me a choice: I can either
1. have an illeostomy
2. use higher dosages of Remicade

its my choice he says. I don't know what to do, I need some help deciding :(

First, I was on Remicade before about 5 years ago, 5cc's for 12 months, every 6 weeks. The doctor in Indy asked me if the Remicade worked? I said "well I noticed weight gain". honestly that was all I noticed, so he says "does that mean it helped, 10%, 20%, what?" I don't know, would weight gain count as "helping"? I mean, I gained from 120 to around 190 within that 12 month period. that is alot of weight to gain, so I figured that was a good sign, right? I didn't notice anything other then that, but ya know I'm only a patient, I can't see my insides. I've never had diarrhea or constipation as long as I've had Crohns. I mean I did until I improved my diet, now I never experience diarrhea or constipation from crohns, so I can't tell by that either, ya know? Either that, or the imuran is working against the diarrhea and constipation problem, that is a possibility I suppose.

Personally, I keep thinking, an illeostomy should be my "last" option, right?
I mean, sure I may have a diseased illeum, and a diseased Colon, but I never notice any problems with that. I was thinking with a bad illeum, I may have a vitamin B12 deficiency, but they didn't test for that so I don't know, but I am guessing I do if I have a diseased ileum, wouldn't you think? If thats the case, then whats wrong with B12 shots?

The only real problem I'm having, is with the Fistulas.. Granted Remicade or humira may be a shot in the dark, but if you guys were me, wouldn't you want to try higher shots of Remicade, before an illeostomy?

...not that an illeostomy is bad, its just that, wouldn't you consider surgery as the last option? Thats why the South Bend doctor sent me there. They thought I couldn't put on the ostomy bags being blind, or would struggle with them, but the doctor in Indy doesn't agree, he believes I would be able to handle the bags just fine, which I don't know one way or the other. They showed me what the bags look like, I talked to an ostomy nurse about it at St Joe and everything, but I was thinking the ostomy bags were placed lower down on your leg, not way up in the upper center of your chest, so knowing that now makes me NERVOUS, because an illeostomy is permanent, no reversal option if for some reason I don't like it, so wouldn't that make you a little nervous?

I just don't know what to do....any helpful suggestions? I've been praying about it, hoping God will lead me in the right direction, but I am still very confused, I don't know what to do.... anyone have any suggestions?

Tom
 
Hi bubazoo,

I have had a very similar experience. I was on Remicaide for about six months, with upped dosages, and it had no effect. I am now on a drug called tysabri and have had a temporary ileostomy to allow the "areas" to heal (including Fistulas!) before they reconnect me. The hope is that I'll go into remission and will remain that way after the surgery.

On deciding about upping the dosage vs. the surgery, I obviously can't make the decision for you. I think alot of it depends on how miserable you are and if you feel like you can continue to cope with being sick while you try higher dosages of the Remicaide. When I had my surgery, I was at the end of my rope.

All I can say is that, while the surgery isn't ideal, its not the nightmare I thought it would be (I was definitely in the "surgery is the last, last option" camp). If you want more information on ileostomies and to see lots of people who are living quite happily with theirs (and some not-so-happily) I suggest you check out the discussion forums at www.uoaa.org .

On the topic of stoma placement...why would it be in the center of your chest? That's REALLY wierd I think. Mine is on the right side of my stomach a little below my belly button, which I think is the normal place (also, the surgeons have some room for negotiation about the placement of the stoma...)

In addition, after surgery, you should have a visiting nursing program come visit you until you are entirely comfortable with the bag and everything. There are ways to make it easier...such as getting the bags pre-cut to fit you and that sort of thing. I don't think it would be the easiest thing in the world, but I'm also sure you wouldn't be the first blind person with an ostomy ever, so there must be resources out there.

Hope this helps, even a little bit. Good luck with your decision!
 
Well See I'm really going to have to find out for sure then,
because everybody keeps telling me (the doctors, nurses etc)
all keep telling me that illeostomies CANNOT be reversed!

colostomys can, but not illeostomies.

That, to me, would make all the difference in the world in making the
final decision, because if it can't be reversed, I'd rather not go thru it,
but if it can, then I wouldn't mind going thru that for a year, to see how it goes.

The doctor I am seeing is located in another part of the state. I had to have my mom take me down there, listening to her gripe at me the whole way down by remembering "not to tell those computer people about your medical life anymore or nobody will see you" kind of bullcrap.

My mother, who takes me down there, has no opinion at all. She thinks I should have the surgery, and have me sit in a bed with a nurse taking care of me the rest of my life. Mothers are no help when it comes to making major decisions like that, because all mine does is just babies me. Granted thats the motherly thing to do, but I'm 38 for christ sake, ya know? so I can't talk to my mother about it. I've had to ask her to leave a couple of times while I asked the doctor in indy some things. I think its just because I'm a guy, us guys don't always care for our mothers opinions because mothers tend to be too over emotional and put this bubble around you and your life. honestly, I'd rather have a friend to talk to, then a family member honestly speaking.
 
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Did you think about going back on SCD? i saw your previous posts regarding the diet...I say go with higher Remicade and go back to your sure thing SCD. I know some illeostomies are reversible but if their talkin' about a clean sweep of everything afterword??? I don't know....

Pray brother!
 
hi Bubazoo, and a re-welcome to the forum! :)

i am so emotional right now, having just read your opening post in this thread.. wow! sounds like you've had more than your fair share of stumbling blocks right through your life, yet you sound so level-headed and in good spirits. hugs to you, man.

so.. onto the dilemma - firstly, ileostomies can be reversed, but only when the rectum and rectal stump has been left in place, and is deemed healthy. in these cases, where the rectal stump and rectum are intact, the stoma is often called a 'temporary ileostomy', but temporary can mean many years, and in some cases, forever.

apparently, surgeons don't like to leave an unconnected rectal stump indefinitely, so after a few years if reversal is not going to be performed, they may want to complete the procedure and remove that area.

my personal view is that i won't put my body through more surgery unless it is absolutely essential, but that's just me, and i'm speaking with a history of 6 major operations behind me (no pun intended lol). if i had your decision to make, i would be concentrating on how ill the Crohns was making me right now, how much my quality of life is being directly reduced by it, and exhausting every avenue available medicine-wise, before contemplating surgery.

it's not an easy decision to make, particularly if you don't have close friends/family to chew this over with. but - you have us now - so you do have friends, and you can share your thoughts with us over this as much as you need, anytime.

just another thought regarding getting advice and answers.. does your hospital have a Stoma Care department, or resident Stoma Nurse?
 
Bubazoo,

Your doctor is right, if they are removing your ileum, colon, and rectum then your ileostomy would not be able to be reversed. However, I did not have any resection with my surgery...they are just letting everything "rest" for awhile in the hopes that it will heal.

There is a guy on another site I read though, who says that "every ostomy is permanent until it isn't." You should probably not get an ostomy that you are only willing to get if it will absolutely be reversable.

As for question, I have no idea where Warsaw, Indiana is, or if it is near Evansville but you should check out this website. http://www.ostomy.evansville.net/ It could help you get in touch with other ostomates or an ostomy nurse to ask your questions.

Also...your doctor has a legal requirement before surgery to get informed consent, which means you NEED to understand the surgery you will be getting (unless it is an emergency and you are unconcious). If you have trouble asking questions in person, why don't you write down your questions beforehand? Another option is, if you have someone who you trust, to have someone else come with you. I like to have my mother there for conversations like this (even though I'm 25) because she is a little more distant from the doctor so she is less reticent about asking lots of questions.

Also, as has been discussed in another chain here, you have an absolute valid reason to ask for a second opinion before making any decisions.

Finally, if your doctor just dismisses you without finding you other medical care, they are opening themselves up to liability if (a) they are being discriminatory or (b) they don't give you sufficient notice and help you find another doctor. See: http://www.muschealth.com/professionals/ppd/sevties.htm Most doctors will avoid doing this unless it is absolutely necessary, so though it sounds like you had a bad experience, it is probably unlikely that your doctor will dismiss you for asking questions or doing independent research!

Good luck in making your deccision.
 
thanks Erin, and guys, I really appreciate it ;)
I'm sorry if my post sounded inappropriate in any way, I am so scared in regards to an illeostomy.

I went and saw an ostomy nurse that my mom works with (she's a personnel director at a hospital). She said I would have no problem doing the ostomy bsgs, but as she was marking me for surgery, I did not like where she was marking me at. She was marking me up near my rub cage on the right side, and I kept thinking to myself, if I have to have it there I don't want it. She also gave me a couple bags to bring home, and I didn't like the sound of that idea at all. I was actually kinda up for it a little until I saw the bags. Its one thing if they put it around my belly button area, but to put it up around my stomach no. That would take away any freedom I have I kept thinking. She answered all my questions, but I still have a hard time thinking u can swim with one of those things on. I'm scared about the whole idea personally, so I've decided to tell him, that I want to try high dosages of medication first before surgery.

As for SCD, I was on SCD for 5 years, and I'm still on it technically, just haven't been as "good" as I could be lately, but I was on it religiously for 5 years, and like the doctor told me, my illeum, colon, and rectum are no different since before I started SCD, vs afterwards. I actually talked to my doctor about SCD, and he actually looked at the results of the two tests, before and after 10 years apart, and there was no change in my condition at all. In fact, he said it got noticeably worse over the 10 year period, but within the 5 years I was on SCD, there was no change at all from "scope wise" so there still wanting to go ahead with either surgery or medication.

It was the doctor in Indy I spoke to about that. He is a really nice guy, addressed all my concerns that I had for him, he's been the best GI doctor I've ever had thus far. He is located on the other side of the state, and if something ever happnened to my mother (like she passed away or retired or something) then basically I won't have any GI / surgeon care at all. It wasn't just the doctor that dismissed me, but the whole office, meaning the entire country and half of that state.

but no, the GI / surgeon team in ft wayne not only didn't find me other medical care, but they sent me a letter in the mail stating I could no longer see him, and when I tried to call their office to work out some sort of an agreement, understanding, attempting to appologize basically, they wouldn't talk to me at all.
I don't want to complain about that, for all that stuff is in the past now, but the bad part about that, is its in my medical report, and thats not good, because I could be refused care by other doctors too, and thats not fair.
 
Bubazoo,
That's some story. You've been through a lot in your life.

On the Crohn's front my experience is quite similar to yours.
I recently had a looped ileostmy. That means the small bowel is looped over and the stoma is formed with that.
The large bowel stays in place, therefore it can be reversed quite easily.

I tried everything before my operation, similar to you.
My worry about the higher dose of remicide is, if it didn't have much effect before, will a higher dose work? you said you only noticed a bit of weight gain, did the fistulas not go away during this time?

If not, I'd definitely recommend the looped ileosomy. It has given me amazing relief so far. At the moment, I'm considering making it permanent, it's been that good.

The recovery was very fast (Micro surgery), I was back to work 2 weeks later, I would have gone back after a week, but my wife would have killed me. That would have been a bit of a wasted operation!!!!

If, 1-2 years down the line, I decide to get it reversed, that's entirely up to me.
So far, I have no regrets.
 
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