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ER Visit- Drug seeker!

I am so sick and so sick of being treated like a freakin junkie, psych case... The list goes on and on.

First, I can't see my new GI until mid March. So, I spend every minute of every single day in severe pain. I have accidents almost daily. Diarrhea with blood countless times a day. Yet, I don't have a treatment plan.
Thursday I had to go to the ER I was in fetal position pain.
The ER Dr. accused me of being a drug seeker. He actually asked me if I'm going through withdrawals. Refused to treat me. Let me back this by saying I've had the same percoset script since the beginning of Dec. I still have 8 out of 30 left. I called my husband I was so upset. The ER Dr. admitted to him that he is jaded from working in the ER. Then how about go into a specialty or stop practicing medicine if you're so jaded and can't look past that to provide patient care. My husband finally got a glimpse at what I've been dealing with since July. I never go to the ER unless I am desperate. Hey, yes, I went in because I was in pain and yes wanted pain relief. He wouldn't even do any tests. I've worked in healthcare for 20 years . I care about patients.

So, here I am in pain and do not see a light at the end. Of the tunnel. I have an amazing PCP but she wasn't in Friday. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
I now know I will never go back to the ER. If probably die first.
 

Jennifer

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I'm sorry Laura Dawn. :( Is there another hospital you can go to? My husband and I switch hospitals because we're afraid of being accused of pill seeking as well. Its happened to many people on the forum and does make it seem like going to the ER is useless but its not. That same doctor isn't working there 24/7 so there are other doctors who care and who will run tests regardless if you were there recently. They'll see that no tests were done and will run some so you can have something sent to your GI in hopes that they will see you sooner.

Either way I hope you can contact your GI and let them know that you went to the ER and were turned away. They could order some tests for you before your appointment and hopefully also see you sooner so you can get treatment as soon as possible. Also contact your GP and let them know what happened in hopes that they will order tests for you as well. There's something causing that pain and bleeding and I hope one of your doctors takes action soon to get it under control.

Keep us posted ok? *HUGS*
 
Thanks Crabby. My husband is going to go to my visits from now on. He sees how I am 24/7 and knows how I was before July. Someone has to help me. It sounds like a lot of people with chronic pain have had this issue.
 

Jennifer

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I'm glad he's going with you from now on. We all need a support system and to have someone help us remember questions or concerns while we're with the doctor. :)
 

CrohnsChicago

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Laura that sounds horrible :(

I agree, let your GI know and see if they can get tests issued for you. Also check out new hospitals.

I'm glad your husband is going to be going with you from now on to offer support. I hope things turn around for you and you can get some relief soon :hug:
 
Oh Laura, I am so sorry you are going through this. Unfortunately, what you have expereinced in the ER is pretty par for course. They do NOT usually give pain meds to people, especially people with chronic illness. I mean they usually only offer the narcotics to people who have had accidents like car wrecks or gun shot victims or anyone else with an obvious injury. That is so unfortunate though, I mean these doctors seem to have a stupid way of thinking when it comes to who should or should not get pain meds. For instance, my brother went to the ER because he got his right hand caught in a welding machine. It smashed all his fingers and part of his hand. ( he lost all 4 fingers on his right hand and part of the hand). Well when he got to the hospital, they were throwing pain meds down his throat. I mean literally, the doctor kept coming up every hour asking if he needed more!!! I mean my brother was in pain, but he said not to the point where he was doubled over.

I remember when I was seeing an IC specialist( for interstitial cystitis of the bladder), and I was in such severe pain that I wanted to kill myself. I mean I begged god to just take me every ngiht. Well when I went to see the specialist she asked me how my pain was. I told her the truth, that I was in severe agonizing pain. I had my hubby there with me at that appt. Well immediately after I told her of all the pain I was in, she went off on a tangin saying " well, dont even think I am giving you any pain meds, forget it!" She then told me, " people on pain meds always end up in rehab because they become drug addicts!". I was really taken aback. I mean I did not even ask her for pain meds. My husband and I started laughing and that did not make things any better. She asked what we thought was funny. We just said that it was her whole reaction and response. I mean she was hysterical and going on and on how everyone who takes a pain med becomes an addict. ( we kind of got the feeling that maybe she was a recovering addcit or knew someone who was, I dont know), just that that was freaky.

But yeah, I was in the ER two weeks ago because of severe intestinal and pelvic pain and they did NOTHING for me. We begged for a CT scan and got that, but they did not see anything ( well that is what they said), but I found out later There were fibroids found in my uterus). They just failed to mention it. I will be honest, the ER is not going to be helpful unless like I said you are visibly injured or something like that. They are NO good when it comes to these chronic type diseases. The ER doc I saw when I was there a couple weeks ago even told me that. He came right out and said that the ER is only good for immediate emergencies. He said they are not equipt for treating and diagnosing chronic issues. They sent me on my way telling me to see my gastro doc. So yeah, basically a waste of time and money! Sorry you are not doing well. You are not alone. I am in severe pain all day... I dont know what to do either...








I am so sick and so sick of being treated like a freakin junkie, psych case... The list goes on and on.

First, I can't see my new GI until mid March. So, I spend every minute of every single day in severe pain. I have accidents almost daily. Diarrhea with blood countless times a day. Yet, I don't have a treatment plan.
Thursday I had to go to the ER I was in fetal position pain.
The ER Dr. accused me of being a drug seeker. He actually asked me if I'm going through withdrawals. Refused to treat me. Let me back this by saying I've had the same percoset script since the beginning of Dec. I still have 8 out of 30 left. I called my husband I was so upset. The ER Dr. admitted to him that he is jaded from working in the ER. Then how about go into a specialty or stop practicing medicine if you're so jaded and can't look past that to provide patient care. My husband finally got a glimpse at what I've been dealing with since July. I never go to the ER unless I am desperate. Hey, yes, I went in because I was in pain and yes wanted pain relief. He wouldn't even do any tests. I've worked in healthcare for 20 years . I care about patients.

So, here I am in pain and do not see a light at the end. Of the tunnel. I have an amazing PCP but she wasn't in Friday. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
I now know I will never go back to the ER. If probably die first.
 

Jennifer

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I have to disagree Ihurt. I know you had a terrible experience but the ER is not a waste of time. No they do not diagnose but they can run tests that can be sent to your doctors so your doctor can do their job in actually treating you. They also do give pain medication but only enough for 15 days. If you need more then you have to see your regular doctor.

Every doctor is different and every hospital is different. If you've had multiple bad experiences at the same hospital with different doctors then you should try going to a different hospital. Making your symptoms sound worse than they are also gets you better care while in the ER.

Also the ER will treat people with chronic conditions (I know you haven't been diagnosed yet Laura Dawn). I've gone in many times for pain, vomiting and even blood in my stool. A few times I was admitted so they could do further testing even though I had a diagnosis already. Hospitals are aware that you can't see a specialist of even a general practitioner right away so they are used to people coming in who aren't in life threatening positions and will help them.

Don't let a few bad experiences keep you from going to the ER. We've all had them. The ER is a resource that we'll be needing for the rest of our lives.
 
Hey Crabby,

I do get what you are saying and I am sure once in a while a person may get lucky and see a good ER doc who knows how to deal with chronic issues, but for me and many others I know, that just is not usually the case, at least not here where I live. I have been to like 3 of the top Hospital ER's in my area and they unfortunately were not much different in how they treated me. I mean one time I went in for a UTI infection that was bad. Well they did give me antibiotics and told me to take motrin for pain. Well I cannot take any NSAIDS at all so I told them that. They then said well, your only other choice is tylenol! I mean they were told that I had a severely painful bladder condition that was chronic and that having a UTI on top of that was debilitating. All they said to me was" see you specialist or call them first thing in the morning"! Now the other two times I went were for severe pain( like two weeks ago when I went). I mean for me my situation is a bit different and I am unable to take many meds due to side effects and reactions I get and tell then this up front. I was actually offered pain meds when I went in a couple weeks ago but I declined due to not wanting to deal with all the side effects. But usually most ER's are NOT going to give you pain meds unless you are outwardly injured. for instance, I noticed when I was in the ER the other day, I mean sitting there bored and waiting around for the doctor to come in to my room, well I happend to watch others coming in. One lady had a bad headache and they just triaged her and sent her to wait in the waiting area. Another lady came in with a broken arm. They offered her pain meds immediately. I mean I watched this happen over and over again. Anyone that came in with an out and out injury was offered something for pain. But people like that lady with a nasty headache was not offered anything, neither was I at first. When the doctor did finally come in to tell me my blood work was normal, they were ready to just discharge me right then and there. My husband and I kind of pushed for them to get the CT scan, they did not want to do it. At first the lady told me that these tests can be done with your doctor as an outpatient basis so follow up with him.. I mean after my husband and I said, listen, we want to make sure there is No appendisitis. Well finally they caved in and did it.

I mean maybe I have just had some bad experiences, but I know I am not the only one. My husband has a severe sinus infection once and I mean it was so bad he could not even move or it felt like is head was going to exlpode. We went to the ER because it was a holiday. Well they just sent him home with antibioitcs and told him to see his doctor.

Unfortunately a lot of doctors in the ER do NOT even know about some of these chronic illnesses. I mean when I mentioned my IC ( interstitial cystitis) to one of the doctors, he actually asked me " what is that"???? Seriously?? I mean a doctor should know these things. It would not even suprise me if some did not even know about crohns disease. That is the bad thing about ER's and dealing with chronic illness. I mean you are right, they can sometimes order tests, but that all depends on the doctor you get. MOst of the times they will just make sure you are not going to die in the next couple days and just tell you to call your doctor. That has been my experinece though. I do agree that if you make your situation sound worse you "may " get better help, but god help you if they dont find anything. Then you will be labeled at that hospital. They do label certain people that frequent the ER's so you have to be careful....










QUOTE=Crabby;587145]I have to disagree Ihurt. I know you had a terrible experience but the ER is not a waste of time. No they do not diagnose but they can run tests that can be sent to your doctors so your doctor can do their job in actually treating you. They also do give pain medication but only enough for 15 days. If you need more then you have to see your regular doctor.

Every doctor is different and every hospital is different. If you've had multiple bad experiences at the same hospital with different doctors then you should try going to a different hospital. Making your symptoms sound worse than they are also gets you better care while in the ER.

Also the ER will treat people with chronic conditions (I know you haven't been diagnosed yet Laura Dawn). I've gone in many times for pain, vomiting and even blood in my stool. A few times I was admitted so they could do further testing even though I had a diagnosis already. Hospitals are aware that you can't see a specialist of even a general practitioner right away so they are used to people coming in who aren't in life threatening positions and will help them.

Don't let a few bad experiences keep you from going to the ER. We've all had them. The ER is a resource that we'll be needing for the rest of our lives.[/QUOTE]
 
Hey Laura,

I just wanted to add that I do understand your feeling towards the ER, I do as I have been there. But if you feel that you are really not doing well and feel something is wrong, then you should not ignore that. I mean if possible, try and go to a different hospital if you had a bad experience at the one you went too.

You mentioned you are bleeding. I would definitely call your GI doc and tell him/her that you are still bleeding. I am certain that your doc will get you in sooner than March. That is crazy to have you wait until March! Have you called your GI doc and told him/her you are having bleeding in your stools every day now??? At least please call your gastro doctor and tell him/her how bad off you are right now. I mean I tell him that you were in such pain you went to the ER!! Maybe you will get an appt. sooner than March..
 

annawato

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Laura that is so unfair! That ER Doc should be shot, who is he to say you are drug seeking! Particularly since he didn't even run any tests. The problem with chronic pain is that its chronic, its always there so you always need pain meds. That doesn't make you an addict, it just means you're sick and deserve to be treated with dignity. i hope you get to see your GI sooner - is it worth going to your family doctor? Perhaps he could call the GI and get you seen earlier?
 
Thanks everyone. I don't have a GI right now, waiting for UW. I am planning to call my PCP tomorrow. She has known me 15 years and will give me ideas of what to do in the meantime. I'm still in the worst pain. I Slept 17 hours hoping I would wake up and feel better. Sadly, I'd rather deal with this then go back to the ER. I have a few pain meds left from the 30 I was prescribed in Dec. So, I'm taking them ( I'm talking 2 pills a day of Vicodin) to make it until my PCP can see me.

Crabby- I totally get your point about not ruling out ERs.... I'm just jaded at the moment. Xxoo
 

Jennifer

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What's UW stand for Laura Dawn? Hopefully your GP will be able to help you in the meantime. :) Keep us posted.
 
University of Washington. I am switching care to them. They are progressive since they are a teaching / learning facility. Should have gone there the first time around. Moving forward.
 

my little penguin

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well they may speed things up if you call and explain you were turned away from the ER and what is currently going on.
I know when we were looking into a second opinion for my DS- explaining how things were quickly getting worse improved when we were seen.


Second the ER depends on the hospital and the doc.
WE have had good and bad experiences.
 
Sorry to hear that and it's awful to be in such pain and have ppl not believe you. I feel like people sometimes don't get it if you look normal on the outside. I've been to the ER 3 times but it was the opposite. The drugged me up for days each time w morphine. I'm worried about being labeled a drug seeker though bc pain from crohns is very intense and we need relief.
 
I'm really sorry for everyone that is having such bad experiences with the ER. I've had a few but nothing that resulted in me not being treated. My only gripe is the whole priority think. When I go in for blockages I wait for 8+ hours. And I do get the priority thing to lol. I was septic once and was treated very quickly. Once I'm seen though I always get pain killers and gravol with no questions asked.
 
I would call my pcp before going to the ER and ask her to phone the ER and let them know I'm coming. It is worth the wait for your pcp to return your call after hours. That way, your doc has touched base with the ER and then the ER doc may go ahead and give you pain meds. When I go to the ER first w/out calling my pcp, the first thing I ask the ER staff to do is call my pcp and let them know I'm there.

I take my pain meds in to my pcp periodically and let her count them and document it so that I can never be accused of being a pain med seeker or abuser.

I'm sorry to hear of what you are going through. You should let your pcp know immediately of your sleeping 17 hours. You could be anemic now due to all your blood loss. Please keep us posted on how you are doing and what the docs say.

If you have to go to the ER before you see your doc, try the steps I suggested and let us know if the ER visit was better because you had your pcp call ahead.

Blessings & Prayers
 
Nature Lover- that is a really really good idea!!!!!
My PCP is actually available during business hours to answer emails now. I will send an email to her now that she will get first thing. I'm sure she will be on board with this plan. Since my health history is available to her Nurse and Dr. Covering they will be able to see the plan. Ok, I feel like this might be this solution! I drive 45 min to see her so I never go to the hospital that has my records. Maybe I need to have my husband take me there it call 911 to go to they ER next time. I think if they can see my history , that will help them to not feel liable. The Dr. Still should treat everyone that walks through those doors will kindness, respect and dignity. I'm always trying to save the world. For now, I need to focus on myself and this is good!!!!
 
Laura Dawn


By Evergreen Hospital is a good GI group.I was treated by the Dr who's last name starts with a Z. You can call the Hospital and find out his name. He is on staff at that hospital.

Is that the Hospital you use?

Lauren
 
Just looked up his scores top 25 satisfaction. Makes perfect sense!!!!!
Lauren- no- not the same Dr. :( You were treated in Kirkland ?
 
I am so sorry that happened to you. Is there another hospital? Or can you get your PCP to recommend an ER for emergencies? Perhaps where she has privileges? I hope you get some relief soon. And I'd write a letter to the administration of that hospital. They need to know, if for nothing else than insurance reasons, that their doctors aren't treating patients properly.
 
Update! My PCPs office called me this morning. My Dr. Is not happy this happened. I feel hopeful and not so alone. She's putting me on some meds. Calling me back.... I have a feeling she wants to see me today. No clue how I'm getting there it's 45 min away. I can't drive like this.... No chance. Was trying to wait until Wed. My husband has back to back cases today and tomorrow.
 
I think I'm becoming bitter. No one can cover my husbands last case so forget that. None of my friends can take me. I have to wait until Friday. I would SO drop stuff to help my friends. See, I'm becoming bitter. I'm sure it's a phase that will disappear when the pain does. I don't even like myself.
 
It's super expensive - I figure I've been dealing with this since July. What's 2 more days. My Dr. Is calling in something. We have the ER plan on file for the hospital so I will be ok:) My 15 yo twins have permits but haven't driven on the freeway yet plus they are at school .
 
I am so glad you at least got to talk to your doctor and she is giving you something to help and you will see the doctor in a couple days. That is good news. I hope you can get some relief soon. Do you know what med she is giving you??
 
Sometimes I can feel myself getting very bitter, too. Please don't give yourself a hard time about it. We can't smile through everything and sometimes it's all too much, especially when people question your character like the ER doctor did. I hope you file a complaint with your state's medical board. I would also write a letter to him and cc the hospital's board members. He needs to stop practicing if he can no longer remember the oath he took.
 
Amen to that! Sybil is right, that ER doc had no right to degrade you the way he did! Shame on him. I also would right a complaint letter to his higher authority about how you were treated. That should never happen to anyone...








Sometimes I can feel myself getting very bitter, too. Please don't give yourself a hard time about it. We can't smile through everything and sometimes it's all too much, especially when people question your character like the ER doctor did. I hope you file a complaint with your state's medical board. I would also write a letter to him and cc the hospital's board members. He needs to stop practicing if he can no longer remember the oath he took.
 
What this Dr. Does not know is that I'm on a medical board because I'm a healthcare auditor. He will know now. I had my husband who is also in the field come not think in the Dr. Would truly repeat that he's jaded by drug seekers from working in the ER. While I'm not one to complain or try to do ill willed things to others. He should at the very least be spoken to. I don't want others to go through this. The letter went out with the proper people cc'd . I'm calling a college at yhe hospital association to see what can be done.
 
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I have to agree with Crabby that the ER is not always a waste of time, depends on the hospital. The city where I live has a GI teaching program, so chances of seeing somebody from GI, though it is sometimes just a resident, are high. My last visit to the ER I was seen by a surgeon and then GI after it was determined I wasn't surgical. The urgent care clinic (for non-emergent cases that can't wait until you can see your doc) also has a GI doc on call.

I have to disagree Ihurt. I know you had a terrible experience but the ER is not a waste of time. No they do not diagnose but they can run tests that can be sent to your doctors so your doctor can do their job in actually treating you. They also do give pain medication but only enough for 15 days. If you need more then you have to see your regular doctor.

Every doctor is different and every hospital is different. If you've had multiple bad experiences at the same hospital with different doctors then you should try going to a different hospital. Making your symptoms sound worse than they are also gets you better care while in the ER.

Also the ER will treat people with chronic conditions (I know you haven't been diagnosed yet Laura Dawn). I've gone in many times for pain, vomiting and even blood in my stool. A few times I was admitted so they could do further testing even though I had a diagnosis already. Hospitals are aware that you can't see a specialist of even a general practitioner right away so they are used to people coming in who aren't in life threatening positions and will help them.

Don't let a few bad experiences keep you from going to the ER. We've all had them. The ER is a resource that we'll be needing for the rest of our lives.
 
I agree, I'm all about this plan to have my Dr. Notify the ER if I'm coming. Aw, teaching facilities are the best. Residents aren't on total burn out and think outside the box ! Thanks Cyclist! That's what I think of when you post... For obvious reasons.
 
Just as a general note - I carry with me a letter from my Primary Care Physician, giving my history and referencing my specialist etc. I can present it to hospitals if needs be. It can help avoid some of the problems. Usually, I do not need it, as my local hospital is also my specialist's hospital so my info is on file. But, it does help when I am out of town, or when I am dealing with an idiot.

When it comes to doctors referring to others being the cause of them doing/not doing something for you, rather than basing their actions on actual findings in your case and best practice determined for those observations - they are actually not following their training.

Once you have provided them with medical conformation of your history, and have tried to reason with them - don't be afraid to seek to talk to someone higher-up.

Similarly, Don't be afraid to complain.

Firstly, pain meds addicts, while they may threaten making complaints generally don't follow through knowing that they are best served by not standing out and becoming known as a repeat offender. So insisting that you get treatment, while having medical documentation to support the fact that you suffer from a condition that periodically causes severe pain, is quite different to the typical junky, who typically uses various inconsistent approaches to get his/her fix and relies on manipulation rather than up-front discussion of issues. [While insisting on treatment, if you avoid prescribing what the doctor might do, he/she may realise that you are not looking for pain meds, but relief from pain.]

Secondly, insist that the doctor put in writing the facts you have presented to him, the tests he has performed/"not performed", and his recommended course of action/inaction and the reasoning he has expressed to you behind his decisions. Make sure what has written matches what he has said to you. - He might say he doesn't have the time etc., then have a recorder and asking him if he would mind you recording this information. If he refuses to provide a written account, even if he allows you record it, write to him cc-ing people up the chain with those details and with his refusal to provide you with a written document. Getting people to put things in writing has a positive effect. If they do it willingly, the process of writing it up may give them an opportunity to think it through. If they do not and you write to them, they have no choice but to either answer you or are in effect accepting what you are saying by not challenging it. In addition, keep ALL records of your attempts to get assistance - and inform them that you are doing so.

Most people don't bother with such things - they accept what they get. But professionals, tend to make sure they use documentation to cover themselves. It is only by doing so that you change the balance of power.

In my experience, which has been dealing with many professional and state bodies, it is the one who can give a consistent documented account that wins in such battles.

I know you shouldn't have to enter into such battles, but by doing so you help yourself and others. You also learn how to deal with others in the future. You develop a way of presenting yourself with an authority that tends to demand a serious and considered response.

It took me years to develop it myself. I used to be terrified when dealing with such issues, but after working in the medico-science domain, and been treated by/working with, senior medical specialists over the years, I can say I am now considerably better placed to achieve positive outcomes.

My credo - I believe in one god, and doctors aren't he. They are very well paid, well educated people, who are often deficient in all other aspects of life. Many doctors are high-fliers interested in academic success, money, and prestige etc. - in these individuals human compassion can be non-existent from the start. Others, those driven by human compassion, can lose it as a defence against the carnage that they encounter in their earlier days, or become simply burnt out and synical. I know - I used to teach them for years.

Wishing you well
S
 

annawato

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Smsirl, just wanted to say how much I admire and appreciate your well thought out and considered post. Great advice for all of us to remember and follow. We often forget that Doctors aren't 'god' , they are only human and we don't necessarily have to accept their advice or their non treatment. Thankyou.
:heart: Anna
 
I agree, I'm all about this plan to have my Dr. Notify the ER if I'm coming. Aw, teaching facilities are the best. Residents aren't on total burn out and think outside the box ! Thanks Cyclist! That's what I think of when you post... For obvious reasons.
I think that's a really good idea, but more so because of where you live.

Please understand, that laws vary from state to state, as do medical guidelines, and the type of meds. ER doctors are permitted to prescribe in one state, are not necessarily permitted in another.

In Washington state, meth addiction has reached epidemic proportions. In fact, I believe that per capital, it is the very worse state in the entire country. When a meth addict can't obtain their drug of choice, they will resort to almost anything else, to relieve the pain of withdrawal.

For this reason, Washington state developed a Task Force, specifically for emergency room care, which has issued stringent guidelines, strongly discouraging, and even prohibiting, emergency room doctors from prescribing pain meds for certain conditions. The prescriptions written are monitored continuously for compliance. Failure to comply can result in sanctions, up to and including the loss of their license to practice medicine.

Here's a link to those guidelines: http://washingtonacep.org/Postings/edopioidabuseguidelinesfinal.pdf

If you read that link, the very first guideline states that "One medical provider should prescribe all opiates to treat a patient's chronic pain."

Under recommendations it further clarifies, "The Emergency room doctor is not in a position to monitor the effects of chronic opiate therapy, and therefore should not prescribe opiates for the treatment of chronic pain."

Guideline number 7 states that "Physicians should send patient pain agreements to local EDs and work to include a plan for pain treatment in the ED."

So, that's probably why the ER doctor wouldn't prescribe pain meds. I wouldn't doubt they also first checked to find out if they had received a copy of any pain agreement from your doctor. If they had, they could then have called your doctor for authorization of opiate pain meds. (Nonopiate pain meds are not all that effective.)

It seems to me that your doctor should know this, and may have been the one who dropped the ball. But there's also federal guidelines, limiting the number and amount of certain types of opiates that can be prescribed during any one set time period, so there's no way of knowing exactly what transpired.

All of this probably has a lot to do with why that doctor has become "Jaded" but regardless, is still no excuse for verbal abuse.

Please don't think I agree with any of it. I personally don't feel that all of us should have to suffer and endure great pain, due to the poor choices of others, and that these Task forces should come up with a much better plans to address the problem of addiction.
 
Thank the good Lord I don't live in Washington. The fact that treating acute pain is discouraged should be criminal. And taking pictures of people who have pain is a gross invasion of privacy. Wow, I am so sorry for Crohnies in Washington. In my state, they pull up my fat record that details Crohn's and instead of being turned away, I'm actually called "you poor thing" and pain relief is immediate. When I went to the ER for my perianal abscess, I left after they told me to follow up with my surgeon not expecting a prescription for pain relief because my pain tolerance has gotten pretty high and they called me when I got home and said that I left before the doctor could give me a prescription for Norco. Not once did they take my picture or try to make me feel ashamed for my f**ked up body.
 
Gosh, I feel so bad for all patients in Washington state. How horrible!!!! I can't imagine how humiliating it is to be treated as a junkie until proved different.
 
Thank the good Lord I don't live in Washington. The fact that treating acute pain is discouraged should be criminal. And taking pictures of people who have pain is a gross invasion of privacy. Wow, I am so sorry for Crohnies in Washington. In my state, they pull up my fat record that details Crohn's and instead of being turned away, I'm actually called "you poor thing" and pain relief is immediate. When I went to the ER for my perianal abscess, I left after they told me to follow up with my surgeon not expecting a prescription for pain relief because my pain tolerance has gotten pretty high and they called me when I got home and said that I left before the doctor could give me a prescription for Norco. Not once did they take my picture or try to make me feel ashamed for my f**ked up body.
I agree that taking pictures of patients in pain is a gross invasion of privacy, however the reason for this is because addicts have been known to "steal" the identities of others to obtain prescription medications, and taking their picture is for the purpose of identification--evidence for subsequent prosecution.

So being forced to endure this additional indignity is basically the "collateral damage" created by identity thieves.

No, I don't feel that's OK either.

Meth is such a powerful addiction, that none of these measures will ever deter, much less cure, a single meth addict. If they can't get relief from doctors, they will, and do, resort to other crimes, up to and including, robbery, violence, and even murder. So we all suffer further victimization.

There has to be a better solution.
 
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Gosh, I feel so bad for all patients in Washington state. How horrible!!!! I can't imagine how humiliating it is to be treated as a junkie until proved different.
You would think there would be some kind of a law requiring the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in an actual court of law, wouldn't you?

oh wait...
 
It all is logical and I understand why it's in place but I always have an emotional reaction to this kind of thing. Thanks for posting this. I've been writing a few blog posts on pain and treatment of chronic pain and it's helpful to see how some states handle the logistics. Like you and others, I wish there was a way that people with true pain were able to be treated with dignity and respect. My local hospitals will CT you ever time you present with abdominal pain. I understand why--they have to check for infections, etc., but I stay home during painful partial obstructions just so I can limit my radiation. I've unfortunately had a lot of CT scans. I will go when I'm praying to die--that's my cue that the obstruction is not opening up on it's own and I usually reach this point at the 20 hour mark. I know it's not smart, but I am so experienced with my set of symptoms that I know what's happening. If I developed a fever, I would go sooner. But at least I have always been treated with dignity and respect. I hate that others are treated differently. :(


I agree that taking pictures of patients in pain is a gross invasion of privacy, however the reason for this is because addicts have been known to "steal" the identities of others to obtain prescription medications, and taking their picture is for the purpose of identification--evidence for subsequent prosecution.

So being forced to endure this additional indignity is basically the "collateral damage" created by identity thieves.

No, I don't feel that's OK either.

Meth is such a powerful addiction, that none of these measures will ever deter, much less cure, a single meth addict. If they can't get relief from doctors, they will, and do, resort to other crimes, up to and including, robbery, violence, and even murder. So we all suffer further victimization.

There has to be a better solution.
 
Wow, I have never heard of ER's being allowed to take your picture.. I mean they ask you for your frickin ID when you get there, shouldn't that be enough???

I would think taking someones picture could result in a lawsuit somehow. It just does not seem right in my opinion. That is an invasion of privacy. If it has not already been brought to court, it is only a matter of time before it is.. They will get some rich person in there whom they will offend and that will be it, it will be in court in a major lawsuit..

Here in Chicago where I live, they are only worried about one thing $$$$$!!!! YOu better have an insurnace card on you or lots of money or you are not getting any help! That is how it is here unfortunately....
 

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When I went to see the new GI for the first time last tue they took my picture when I checked in at the front desk. Said that it was for my profile. I'd never seen or heard of that before either.
 
When I went to see the new GI for the first time last tue they took my picture when I checked in at the front desk. Said that it was for my profile. I'd never seen or heard of that before either.
More and more business are doing this. I see it a lot with medical, dental and legal. It is unnerving, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
I just wish those times didn't always seem to be when I look my worst! To think that picture will be in my file for years to come. Gads!! Hahaha!
 

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Yeah. We were running late so husband and I had been actually running to the doctor once we got parked in the parking lot. I'm sure mine was pretty lovely too! Especially since by the time we got to where I was being checked in I was panting & coughing because it'd been so long since I had run like that!
 
Wow, I have never heard of ER's being allowed to take your picture.. I mean they ask you for your frickin ID when you get there, shouldn't that enough??..
The pictures are only recommended if a patient doesn't present a government issued, picture ID. Although some hospitals might have policies now requiring pictures taken of all patients.

I live in Chicagoland too, where we have...how many illegal aliens is it again? Somewhere around 1 million? Sounds about right.

I don't know about your neighborhood, but in mine, I understand the going rate for a fake ID runs somewhere between $200-$500, at least, according to our local officials as they were explaining the many reasons the rental ordinances here are so strict. Not that any of those ordinances have much effect, mind you.

We lived across the street from our neighbors for 10 years before finding out they weren't in this country legally--because we had to take in their kids when the parents got arrested by immigration. Their children were born here, so they're citizens, but the parents are still fighting it out in court.

Under federal law, no person with a medical emergency can be turned away from a hospital with emergency treatment facilities, regardless of insurance or ability to pay. It's called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, here's a link:

http://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Legislation/EMTALA/index.html

One of the very reasons hospitalization costs are so high, is because hospitals mark up YOUR bill, to cover all the patients who skip out on theirs.

It's estimated that approximately 1/3rd of all bankruptcies are to obtain relief from medical debt. That was a few years ago, so it's probably higher now. Of course, if you're an illegal alien, it might be rather difficult to track you down for payment anyway, but that's only if you're not already receiving free Medicaid, courtesy of our wonderful state.

Please don't take any of this as illegal alien "bashing", but rather that it's estimated that as many as 75% use stolen social security numbers to obtain employment, many of which actually belong to underage children, unaware their identities were stolen. And who, much later as adults, find out that their credit has been trashed, and they owe back taxes to the IRS. That's aside from from possible medical bills, or even warrants for their arrest. It's not a victimless crime.
 
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More and more business are doing this. I see it a lot with medical, dental and legal. It is unnerving, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
Many ATM machines are equipped with cameras that record every transaction. We're videoed by surveillance cameras at: convenience stores, gas stations, post offices and other govt. facilities, office buildings, hallways, elevators, banks, and even as we're walking down the street.

Note to self: Buy sunglasses.
 

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I'm afraid that if you're wanting to cover up from the cameras sunglasses won't help much. Unless you're successful to find some that will cover up your whole face! HeHeHe! :rof:
 

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My local hospitals will CT you ever time you present with abdominal pain. I understand why--they have to check for infections, etc., but I stay home during painful partial obstructions just so I can limit my radiation. I've unfortunately had a lot of CT scans. I will go when I'm praying to die--that's my cue that the obstruction is not opening up on it's own and I usually reach this point at the 20 hour mark. I know it's not smart, but I am so experienced with my set of symptoms that I know what's happening. If I developed a fever, I would go sooner. But at least I have always been treated with dignity and respect. I hate that others are treated differently. :(
Sybil I have the same problem as you - so many ct scans that I now need to avoid them except when they are well, unavoidable. I've had a high temp for 5 days, around 102deg but didn't go to doctor cos I knew I'd be sent off for another round of ct scans and blood tests. Anyway its back around 100 now so I'm over the worst of it thank heavens and have managed to avoid more radiation. Like you, i know my body and as I didn't also have severe pain I thought it was worth it to just wait and see.
I wouldn't recommend this to anyone as a normal course of action but sometimes our bodies can fight off the problem. Guess I was lucky this time. touchwood.
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It's estimated that approximately 1/3rd of all bankruptcies are to obtain relief from medical debt. That was a few years ago, so it's probably higher now. Of course, if you're an illegal alien, it might be rather difficult to track you down for payment anyway, but that's only if you're not already receiving free Medicaid, courtesy of our wonderful state.
When my husband used to practice law, he worked in a bankruptcy firm. He said in all his years only 1 bankruptcy of the thousands he worked on was because the person had spending issues. Every other one involved medical bills, a divorce or a death (or a combination of those). So sad that you can bankrupt yourself because you get sick. And many of the people declaring bankruptcy due to medical bills had insurance.
 
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One of friends just lost her house due to medical bills. She now moved in with her parents. No one should have to go bankrupt due to health issues and medical bills. That is insane. But this is more of a United States issue since here in the US the medical profession likes to Rape people out of there money!!!!







When my husband used to practice law, he worked in a bankruptcy firm. He said in all his years only 1 bankruptcy of the thousands he worked on was because the person had spending issues. Every other one involved medical bills, a divorce or a death (or a combination of those). So sad that you can bankrupt yourself because you get sick. And many of the people declaring bankruptcy due to medical bills had insurance.
 
One of friends just lost her house due to medical bills. She now moved in with her parents. No one should have to go bankrupt due to health issues and medical bills. That is insane. But this is more of a United States issue since here in the US the medical profession likes to Rape people out of there money!!!!
Oh, that was just me being "diplomatic"'. you really don't want to get me started on how broken I feel the medical system in our country has gotten, which is beyond horrific.

It's not just our health care system either, but let's not go there.
 
When my husband used to practice law, he worked in a bankruptcy firm. He said in all his years only 1 bankruptcy of the thousands he worked on was because the person had spending issues. Every other one involved medical bills, a divorce or a death (or a combination of those). So sad that you can bankrupt yourself because you get sick. And many of the people declaring bankruptcy due to medical bills had insurance.
You're preaching to the choir here. Insurance offers far less protection than most people are led to believe, and they don't find out until until there's little to nothing they can do.

Even if your employer offers great insurance, you get sick, can't work, and without a paycheck, certainly can't afford the cobra coverage, not for very long.

No one thinks it's going to happen to them--until it does. it's truly tragic, and only getting worse.
 
oh I hear ya, believe me, I hear ya! We have the most corrupt medial system there is! We are no longer in the days where doctors are looking out for a persons best interest at all. Those days are gone. Unfortunately, a person who is ill has got to be their own advocate these days. You cannot rely nor trust most medical professionals. I mean it really scares me how incompetant they can be. I kind of wonder if they have dumb-downed the curriculums and schooling that doctors need to get before getting their MD liscense.

It seems it is all about making money now days. Here is another good one for ya. You know how when you get a scan they like to have people drink all that toxic crap??? Well I heard that actually you do not even need to drink that stuff, I mean they can see and read a scan without it! Albiet, it may be a little more work on the doctor reading it, but it can be done! It is just that they like people to drink that stuff because it makes their job a lot easier, they dont have to spend as much time reading the films!! Another example of screw the patients well being, we have to do what is easiest for us, an plus we get to charge like $ 500 for that contrast the patient drinks!!!!

Gosh the stuff that I know makes me afraid to even go to the doctor anymore. My own dad who is 68 years old, well he wont even step foot in a doctors office after all he has seen me go through with them and what my dear mom went through before she died. It is sad really...
 
I hurt,

My sister's a doctor, and she got so fed up, she quit her practice. She was in physician's group, and her partners kept pressuring her constantly for spending way too much time with her patients, and continuing to treat certain patients who could no longer pay. When they offered her early retirement, she took it and left.

As you know, my husband just got out of the hospital for a life threatening condition, caused by his prescription heart medication. Guess what? He's relapsing--from his new heart meds! It's not as bad, so should be able to treat it on an outpatient basis, but looks like he may not be able to take heart meds after all. Even without them, his BP is still pretty normal. When they originally put him on those meds? Well, he also had pneumonia at the time. Wonder if they even considered whether that might have had something to do with the slight elevation in his BP? Yeah, I doubt it too.

If you're in a hospital and try refusing to take that toxic crap, you could have a problem with your insurance coverage for "going against medical advice". Yes, I'm afraid of doctors too.

Truely tragic.
 
Ya noy,

Wow that is terrible about your hubby. So do you think the BP pills are just not agreeing with him?? I mean yeah, that Steven Johnson syndrome is nothing to play around with. If he is showing relpase symtpoms, I would stop those meds right away! I am sorry, but it is just not worth it. Stevens Johnson is one of the worst things a person can get, I mean you know it, I am sure they told you about it when your hubby was in the hospital, or at least I hope they did.
I know when I got the canker sores all in my throat after I took bactrim my doctor at the time told me to NEVER let anyone give me a sulpha drug again as they are highly linked to steven Johnsons syndrome. She said at it''s worst that diease is one of the most painful things to have. You can go blind( many people do when the eye lids and skin around them are affected. Very scary stuff.

Wow, I dont blame your sister one bit for leaving. That is crazy. I know when I was in the hospital ER a couple weeks back when I was having severe pain in my pelvis and lower abdomin, I got a CT scan done. I told the doctor there I could not drink that contrast that I had a very nasty reaction to it so they were ok with it, and funny thing is that they were able to get a good picture. I mean at least that is what the ER doc said anyhow( who knows, I mean honestly, the picture is only as good as the one who is reading it!)I also noticed on the report that it said that "oral contrast partially opacified the bowel. Multiplanar reformats were reviewed". Ummm that is odd because I did NOT even drink any contrast at all so I dont know where they got that from... I mean I am sure I was charged for the stuff even though I did not use it... Just makes you wonder.....

You are right, being chronically ill really sucks. I mean then we have no choice but to depend on these doctors from time to time. You just hope you have a half way decent one I suppose. I mean I make sure if I ever have to go to the hospital or to a important doctors visit I always bring my husband. I mean that way we make the decisions on what I will and will not do. I mean we go to doctors for advice, it is up to us in terms of what we feel is best for us to do. Sometimes it is hard and you have no choice. I mean look at your hubby, he definitely needed help with the Steven Johnson syndrome so he had no choice, he needed help. Thank God he had you there with him. I find it is always good when you have a family member there so that two heads are better than one. I also notice doctors will listen to you more so and take you more serious when you have a family memeber there backing you up. Dont know why this is, but it is true...
 
I haven't been on-line- too sick. Interesting info I've missed. I guess the one thing I would say is that Drs can not write a script for narcotics in WA from the ED. They can, however, admin via an IV. As far as meth users impacting that WAC, I've never heard that. We do have to have our ID scanned to purchase phederine since that is a main ingredient in meth. If and ED Dr. Can't tell a meth user from a mile away, they need to be educated. Sores on the face that have been picked at. Why meth users impact ED use if obscene to me. I have a call into the DOH to see what's up with that. I'm still a Hospital Internal Auditor and am contracting starting Friday. So, I need to know what's up with that. I audit the ED pixes ( narcotic dispensers) .

Anyway, I saw my PCP today who I love. She is actually sending me to a General Surgeon. She thinks that I might have adhesions outside my colon. I had a hysto a few years ago due to endometriosis. On top of my GI issues. She wrote me a script for percoset and put a note in my electronic medical record stating that if I present at the ED with abdominal pain , I am NOT a drug seeker. She is managing my pain meds and they are to give me an IV of pain meds. I'm not sure who suggested that, but I'm happy! I feel hopeful! It was an amazing visit and I feel like there's a plan of care. A good day! I'm still having the big D and I'm in pain, but not wanting to crawl in a freakin hole:)!!!!!

Thanks for all of your support! I hope everyone can find a Dr. Like mine and get the ED plan. Now, I'm not scared to go if I absolutely need to. Total highway robbery is for sure!!!!'
 

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Glad to hear that you're finally being heard! Hopefulluy this means that something is finally underway to help you out. Thanks for keeping us updated:)
 
I haven't been on-line- too sick. Interesting info I've missed. I guess the one thing I would say is that Drs can not write a script for narcotics in WA from the ED. They can, however, admin via an IV. As far as meth users impacting that WAC, I've never heard that. We do have to have our ID scanned to purchase phederine since that is a main ingredient in meth. If and ED Dr. Can't tell a meth user from a mile away, they need to be educated. Sores on the face that have been picked at. Why meth users impact ED use if obscene to me. I have a call into the DOH to see what's up with that. I'm still a Hospital Internal Auditor and am contracting starting Friday. So, I need to know what's up with that. I audit the ED pixes ( narcotic dispensers) .

Anyway, I saw my PCP today who I love. She is actually sending me to a General Surgeon. She thinks that I might have adhesions outside my colon. I had a hysto a few years ago due to endometriosis. On top of my GI issues. She wrote me a script for percoset and put a note in my electronic medical record stating that if I present at the ED with abdominal pain , I am NOT a drug seeker. She is managing my pain meds and they are to give me an IV of pain meds. I'm not sure who suggested that, but I'm happy! I feel hopeful! It was an amazing visit and I feel like there's a plan of care. A good day! I'm still having the big D and I'm in pain, but not wanting to crawl in a freakin hole:)!!!!!

Thanks for all of your support! I hope everyone can find a Dr. Like mine and get the ED plan. Now, I'm not scared to go if I absolutely need to. Total highway robbery is for sure!!!!'
Pierce County Wa. was the meth lab capital for a number of years, but the labs started moving to other locations when the authorities closed in. A large percentage became addicted as a result though, and they're still there.

It's really hard to buy lye for soap making. It's not exactly illegal, but has been taken off store shelves because it's used to synthesize meth. Ephedrine has been banned in the U.S. as well. You can still buy pseudoephdrine, but they keep it behind the counter at the pharmacy, you have to present picture ID and sign for it, and purchase is limited to 3.6 grams per month. There's all kinds of over-the-counter cold medications and weight loss products you can't buy anymore, all taken off the market, because the ingredients were used to synthesize meth. Lithium batteries will probably be next.

Protip: If you stay in a hotel/motel, do NOT use the coffee machine in your room.

Really glad to hear you're finally getting treatment, and that your doctor has updated your medical record to include the appropriate instructions for ER doctors regarding the IV pain medication you should receive. Kind of feel she should have done it before you were subjected to humiliation and forced to suffer in agony, but at least it's done now.

I still haven't received a plausible explanation to my complaints about Primatene Mist getting pulled from the market, so I'd love to hear what the DOH tells you.

I'm sorry I hijacked your thread :(
Please forgive me?
 
Ha ha, no worries. I just looked and I was like, huh?
I don't blame my Dr. At all, she's my PCP and hasn't been handling my care. It was the GI's. I'm just glad it's all sorted out. I hope everyone can get the same help.
 
Ha ha, no worries. I just looked and I was like, huh?
I don't blame my Dr. At all, she's my PCP and hasn't been handling my care. It was the GI's. I'm just glad it's all sorted out. I hope everyone can get the same help.
Thanks!

I'm sorry you're still in pain, but if you're happy and hopeful that with a care plan to help ensure that, in the future, you will be treated decently and receive more appropriate pain treatment, then I'm thrilled for you :)
 
I just got the letter from my Dr. Via email that goes to the ER. I'm in tears! She states that I'm in chronic pain, I've never missed an appt and have exhausted all treatments. I have IBS ( yes, back to that) and endometrial adhesions. She says " she and I are working TOGETHER on a solution. " For now she wants me treated with IV pain medications if I go to the ER. That she would like me treated with kindness as I'm in severe pain. I had to do a triple take. Working together! Kindness! I'm seriously crying tears of joy. I'm not religious, but this Dr. Is my angel!!!!! I will everyone in pain a Dr. This amazing.
 
Thanks! Looks like surgery , but I have answers! I commented on your new DX. I really knew there was more to this. How are you doing? Wish we lived closer!
 

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That's too bad about surgery:( But, I totally agree about being relieved having answers! Hopefully once the emotional crap settles down you'll be able to start settling down stomach wise too.

I too wish we were closer. Be cool to meet someday! Got to admit as my husband says, "I didn't get sick in a hurry so I won't get better in a hurry either." Just taking one day at a time. Not loosing as much blood anymore through the bottom. Still get some pain occasionally along with discomfort. But, I'm a stubborn girl and won't let anything stop me. So, for the most part I'm doing well:)

I'm afraid didn't see your comment. But, the clinic I went to last week has been really good to us. Looking forward to the next appt to see more info. Although, got to admit that I've done quite a bit of research on my own. Looking forward to more info hearing about you getting better! Xxxxxxxxx
 
I'm so glad your doctor did that for your Laura Dawn!! It's always comforting to know a doctor is on your side. I have a female GP who is the absolute best!
 
I love your blog!!!!! Yes, things went well today. I am loving your writing. I think I'm one of the fortunate ones today. Maybe not tomorrow,but today.
 
Hey Laura,

So happy you are finally getting some help. I am so happy for you. It means everything when you find a great doctor! At least she is paving the road for you...
 

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I must have missed it Laura Dawn, but how did they find the adhesions or are both doctors speculating? Keep us posted on the surgery. Glad your doctors are starting to get on the ball and get things rolling for you. You deserve to feel better. :)
 

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So glad to hear that hte ER mess has been sorted and you are now heading in the right direction even if it does involve surgery. :( But at least it may improve things in a huge way for you.
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Thanks for reading the blog! I'm glad you like it. I'm trying to be honest and it's not always positive, but just things I think about.

I'm glad you have a plan of action and that the emotional stuff is better. Not good to have the big D all of the time, but sometimes the emotional stuff is worse than the pain.
 

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Thanks Christine that article was very good. And I've got your blog bookmarked to read when I have time.
As a sufferer of chronic pain I am lucky that my local hospital is aware of it and knows I am not a drug seeker. I am on pretty heavy doses mainly because of tolerance built up over the long term. Recently I was transferred to a more major hospital for a resection and removal of multiple adhesions plus insertion of a stoma. Not once post op did the pain relief come anywhere near what I required and they actually began reducing my regular pain meds. Consequently I was unable to move for the first 4-5 days and we all know movement is essential for improving things. I'm normally up and about on day 2 and walking the halls by day 3 with no trouble but this time it was day 7 before I could comfortably move. I was made to feel that this was my problem because of the pain meds I was already on. The whole experience was horrendous to say the least. i can't understand why one hospital can provide adequate post op pain relief and another take such a cruel and demeaning approach. I'm hardly likely to develop a greater "habit" in 5 days. Sorry , thats my rant for the day.
 
There's such an emotionally cruel component to it, too. There's doubt and accusation which causes you to distrust your physician and to withdraw from them mentally. You start to feel desperate because the pain isn't manageable and you can't heal. On top of it all, you're getting used to a "new" body.

It's hard when you've built a tolerance to narcotics just because you've had so many surgeries and hospitalizations that you (of course) never asked for! I built up a tolerance when I was in the hospital for 2 months and by the end, with multiple drains and abscesses, the dose of dilaudid I started with didn't do anything. It was frustrating--and like you said, it made it impossible to get out of bed and start walking. And then the nurses are yelling at you and it's just a horrible stressful cycle.

I wish there was a better way to treat pain and to change the way ER physicians treat patients like Laura, who was in genuine pain, scared, and asking for help. I posted an article on my FB page about a US doctor who is trying to get a cheap drug that doesn't cause a "high" approved in the US but pharmaceutical companies are less likely to pursue it because there's a lot of money to be made in the pain killer business. Here it is: http://www.marinij.com/millvalley/c...se-new-painkiller-chronic?source=most_emailed. It's funny because the only time I've heard of this drug is when I've given it to my cat or dog after surgery. They always look super high, but maybe it doesn't function the same way in people. It didn't say it was an NSAID but I haven't looked that up. We really need an alternative way to treat pain because we shouldn't have to accept suffering as our daily existence.

And there's my rant! You can tell it's something that really bothers me. :)

(I hope you like the blog! Feel free to comment, even if it's "This sucks!" I can take it. ;)
 

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It is emotionally cruel - particularly post op when you are so vulnerable but also anytime when you also start to distrust yourself and wonder if it is all in your head and its all your own fault. I have no desire to go back to this surgeon although he is one of the top CRS in the country nor to that hospital but think i will have to at some stage unfortunately and it does really scare me.
Interesting article - I have read about buprenorphine before but can't remember much so I'm going to look into it more.
The interesting thing is I've never had a eurphoric high with oxycodone and now don't with other pain meds. Nor are they sedating in anyway - they just relieve pain.
I'll let you know what I think of your blog - good or bad. :)
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