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Has anyone tried FK506/Tacrolimus??

My doctors have come up with a new medication cocktail and I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about this medication called Tacrolimus/FK506 or taken it themselves. I am already on Humaria and they want to add this on top :eek:! This is all making me very nervous for the obvious reasons and because of all of my previous reactions to meds. My med list is very very long! (apprx. 17 meds) I don't know if this is just the norm or if I am completely over medicated? Any info that anyone might have would be GREAT!
 
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Hello LaLa....First off a very belated welcome to the Forums. :)

I have not been on the drug you speak of...although have heard of it.
Perhaps another member here can give you more insight.

Seventeen drugs is a lot to be on but not unusual
for Crohn's & Colitis treatment.
 

soupdragon69

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Hey La la

Tacrolimus is a drug I use at work regularly (I am a specialist nurse).

It is a drug that suppresses the immune system. It works by preventing the production of lymphocytes. Lymphocytes are seen in large numbers when there is inflammation and the body produces them as part of its defense army.

So from a crohns perspective La la it is a drug that can be used and is used. It isnt as commonly used as other drugs to immunosuppress on the crohns front so that is probably why alot here may not be as aware of it.

Tacrolimus may well have been chosen by your GI in relation to YOUR own personal needs and also in relation to any possible drug interactions with other meds you are on.

The aim at the end of the day is to progress towards remission and decrease your symptoms.

Some things to be aware of when taking Tacrolimus are: you must avoid getting pregnant and hormonal contraceptives many not be as effective either! Dont stop taking it even if you are feeling better. When you collect your prescriptions make sure you are given the same brand as before (some manufacturers differ slightly in components, can be known as Prograf or Advagraf as a brandname). Should also be taken one hour before food or two to three hours after it. If you like grapefruit avoid it as it can increased the tacrolimus levels in the blood. Also regular blood tests to ensure close monitoring. Am hoping you have been told all this!!

In relation to it being added on top of the Humira... Humira works by suppressing tumour necrosis factor that is produced by our bodies. In research it is known that folks with autoimmune diseases like crohns and rheumatoid arthritis produce more than normal levels of tumour necrosis factor (TNF) so Humira helps to reduce these levels. Humira is an anti-TNF drug which means it works against TNF - as I said it helps to reduce the amount. TNF is known to have a contribution in the inflammatory cycle although its not known how it does this.

My thoughts overall La la would be that if you are continuing to have symptoms and inflammation is evident despite being on Humira your GI is taking a multipronged approach and is taking positive action to try and improve things for you. Does all that make sense?

Another thought on the number of meds you are on. Do you regularly (say every 6-12mths or if you are having new symptoms that you have never had before) have a review of your meds with your GP?

If not then ask them to go through it all with you and see if any are worth "tweaking" or stopping. Sometimes doctors just see the immediate and forget to look at the bigger picture and the impact physically and emotionally.

Just some thoughts that I hope help.

P.S. I specialise in heart and lung transplant and Tacrolimus is used in my field to suppress tranplant patients on the immune system front so their new organ isnt rejected. Like many meds it has several uses.

Sorry my post has been so long!

Hope you start to pick up soon. Keep posting and let us know how you are getting on. ((hugs))
 
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Hello Jan~ I wanted to thank you for all of the very useful information on Tacrolimus. It was very nice to hear from someone who has had first hand expierece with this medication even if you had not taken it yourself. I guess I should give you an update...I started Tacrolimus (Prograf or FK506) one week ago. My doctor here in town is overseeing it with recomendations from my other G.I. and Rheumatologist in Seattle since that is 2hour away. My local Dr. has not used it before and I can tell he is VERY nervous but hopeful that we will get some relief with it. His concerns are that I am now triple immunosuppressed with the Humaria 80mg every other week, Predisone 30mg daily and Tacrolimus too. I have had problems with infections in the past and so I do understand his concern. I am just so tired of the predisone along with all so many other medications. I really am hopeful that this could do the trick since it's working on a whole new branch! I also wanted to let you know I have talked to all of my doctors frequently about cutting out some of the other medications but we just can't at this point :(...... Maybe soon (crossing my fingers). Since I started the FK506 I have noticed an improvement in my joint swelling. Yeah- I have been able to walk with less pain and no needles in the knee lately! I had my Tacrolimus levels in the blood checked this week and they were right on. I did have to have an iron infusion this week and one more again in two weeks. That has seems to be the way my body has been about every 3-4 months I am do to be refueled. I don't really mind that to much they just do it through my power port and I am good to go. I have been able to do some warm water pool therapy which has been nice just to get a little excersice and movement. I got a call today from my dr. again and he said I can start cutting back on the predinsone to see if the Humaria/tacrolimus combination will hold me. I soooo hope it does I really want something that will work :) I will keep you posted and let you know how it works... I also wanted to thank you Nancy for the welcome I appreciate it!
 
Update~ I have been taking the Prograf for three weeks now. I felt like I have been doing pretty well untill last weekend. I started to get joint swelling and mouth sores and I knew I was in for a flare. I called my Dr. and he went up on my dose. I was barely at a therapudic dose when they did my blood work last week so I had room to increase. My Dr. keeps talking about how this is uncharted territory for him and my other doctors too. They all seem to be very worried about me becoming sick from something else. I am still on predisone and Hummaria with the Prograf so my immune system is at risk of infections. I have not noticed any other side effects so far. I don't feel bad when I take it. Yeah! I just hope that it works....I guess thats what we all hope when we start a new med.
Jan...I was hoping you could tell me if you have seen very many patients have problems with side effects/infections etc.?? I have a friend that is an RN and she said I should think about wearing a mask when I am at the grocery store or shopping in general when flu season is in full swing. I just can't stand the thought of that. I feel like it is just more baggage still to deal with. I know that people don't notice my ostomy stuff but I know it's there and I know that people will notice a mask streched across my face...lol.. I just don't want to have to explain it. I know I need to ask my doctors about this but I am just curious about your expierences?? Thanks for the information.
 

soupdragon69

ele mental leprechaun
Hey honey,

I had checked a few times to see how you were getting on but missed your previous post to todays! Sorry!!

Good to see you have room to manouvre on the levels front and also in some respects its good that your doc is warey as it means he wont be gung ho as many are and will take YOU into account. So think of it in that way even though sometimes it can be frustrating.

On the mask front my thoughts to you are this...

Firstly, with crohns our immune system is overactive and thats why we take immunosuppressants.

Secondly, unlike other patients that are immunosuppressed who start with a normal level of immune system like the transplant patients I work with we have a heightened level as I mentioned above.

Thirdly, as a result of this heightened immune level what we are really aiming for is a more "normal" to " slightly lower" level of immune response. This then means that our crohns settles and stops attacking our gut.

Does this make sense so far??

As a result we arent necessarily as immunosuppressed as many perhaps think we are.

Yes we use immunosuppressant drugs, yes we can be possibly more wide open to colds, flu etc etc and I freely acknowledge you have had infections before.

This doesnt mean you will get every single bug and germ out there however even on the triple therapy.

I take remicade 6 weekly and methotrexate weekly along with a years worth of pred which I just finished. Yes I had infection problems but mine tend to be down to my gut flaring or my asthma leaving me so wheezy that I head for infection because I dont have good air entry, or a boil/abcess that becomes infected.

I dont actually pick up colds, flu etc. I do have flu vaccines like most folk and I do take precautions at work i.e if I need to wear a mask at work to suction a patients airway when they are on life support and I dont work with TB patients.

I could pick up infection anywhere just like you honey but I dont go to the length of wearing a mask.

Something alot of folks arent aware of is that most masks (unless they have a special filter in them and we only use them for aerosol meds we have to give to patients what could cause us to inhale and drop our blood pressure dramatically) only protect you for up to a max of a couple of minutes. The reason for this is as you exhale you exhale water vapour and that in turn wets the mask and as you breathe in again the bugs that have now got stuck on the wet mask are in turn inhaled by you at a higher density than if you wore no mask at all. As a result wearing a mask that you see many in other countries wearing can actually increase your risk not lessen it. Does that make any sense at all?? So yes I can see your friend thats a nurse is concerned about you and is thinking along the right lines. We have had all sorts of questions asked of our microbiology team like yours and more and they have done an overview for staff, patients and visitors.

This is why folk are asked to catch any sneezes or coughs in tissues and bin them immediately and wash their hands well so they are disposed of and not spread around their skin by reuse or kept on their hands etc to pass onto someone else.

The choice is yours Lauralee if you feel you need to wear a mask to protect you and you would "feel" you are doing something to protect yourself but you can see from what I have said above that I wont be wearing one unless I am in an isolation room with a patient with swine flu and have our specialist masks with a filter and only for short periods of time. We also have to be tested to ensure they fit snuggly and dont move away from our face no matter what they do and they are not made of paper or cotton like you see on the TV.

Very few transplant patients have problems with Tacro and most are on a cocktail of meds. Sometimes it helps to take the med with food or at night to lessen nausea for instance or to change to a different manufacturer. Yes they can be open to infection BUT keep in mind what I said at the outset about the difference between them and us ok? I totally understand why you feel as you do about wearing a mask in public too and its yet another thing to have to cope with in many ways and more so when you have had to readjust body image with already with your stoma ((hugs)). You have coped marvelously Lauralee so far. Just take it one step at a time as you are doing, you are doing well!

It is important to do your blood tests as you are so you keep an eye on the areas they want to monitor so you are at optimum dose for you and your body without taking more than you need. Also keep in mind my previous post about the different angles the Tacro and humira go from so your body isnt being hammered in one specific area (even though both work on suppressing the immune system) constantly.

The pred also acts in a different way. For may folk pred actually increases white blood cells that fight infection as well as take over the work of the adrenal glands by replacing the natural cortisol with a higher level of synthetic cortisol (which is why its important to have a plan to decrease pred so your adrenal glands gradually take over the work themselves again). The action that pred is prescribed for is to reduce inflammation but they dont actually know the detail on how it does that. So if your blood tests have shown an increase in white blood cells it may not be infection it could just be a response to the pred and thats why its important to be monitored by a doctor so they can assess you and ensure it isnt infection just the pred response.

Good to see you are managing and that they are looking at decreasing the pred too. Hope what I have said helps and isnt too rambly either.

Hang in there honey. Thinking of you as always ((hugs))
 
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Definitely a good post Jan, though there is some debate whether all of us have stronger than normal immune systems. While it seems for most of us that is the case as we rarely get sick, or don't get sick as bad as others, it isn't definitive. However, your point on being worried that the immunosuppression being something to not worry on too heavily is spot on. You either will or won't get sick more on it and you can't predict it, so why worry? Chances are you won't get sick any more often than usual and if you do, you won't die from the illness if you are paying attention. The key is to not sit around with a cold for 2 weeks and not see a doctor while you hope to get better. Just be observant about any illness you do get and you won't have a problem.
 
Hi Jan- Thanks for more good information. I just saw you post today. I was talking to my RA doctor about the supression subject and she saying that if I have been on the Humaira for this long without prolonged illness I am probably going to be just fine. It's funny because I asked her about the overeactive immune system that seems to be the problem in most atuoimmune diseases and she said....you have a point. lol.. She said that is a question we as doctors and researchers have been asking ourselves. (the funny part was that i had not even read your post yet soo~ I think we with crohns think a like...) Anyway it seems like we have different levels of immune suppression so the med are going to affect us all differently. I think that some of their worries with me are that I had a lot of problems with infection in the early days of these medications but not in recent years. Some of the issues really seemed to be allergy related too...fevers,hives,white cell counts low/high,rashes. Just a lot of ugly stuff!
Oh, about the mask. I did know that about it's effectivness after it get wet but did not even think about it. Thank you for the reminder! The whole mask thing did not sound good for me and that just confirms why I don't need to wear it. I got my blood test back from last week and it seems that I am in therapudic range now. yeah! They are going to switch me now from the Humaria to Cimzia because my joints are still very painful. Just had an injection last week. So we will see how that goes. Thank you so much for your time and knowledge I really appreciate it. Hugs~
 
Hello Everyone~
I want to report on my treatment. I was not able to taper from my pred. on Prograf alone so my Dr. added Cimzia. I tried Cimzia by itself also and did not get total relief. I was really struggling with the mouth sores and swallowing was sooo bad. My joints were a complete mess! Now I am OFF the pred. and taking 3mg of Prograf twice/day along with 400mg of Cimzia every four weeks. My mouth sores are completely healed and my joints are no longer swollen. I can't believe that we might have found something that works?? YEAH.... I am so thankful and I am hoping that this is something that will work long term. I just wanted to share this because I know I am not the only one who feels like I have tried EVERYTHING... Maybe this is something that might work for others..
 
Just wanted to share that I was on Remicade and it gave me TERRIBLE joint pain that got so bad I had to switch to Cimzia - Since switching 2 months ago I have had NO joint pain so I know it was the Remicade - BUT the Cimzia has not worked as well for the Crohns as the Remicade did...it may just be taking longer to kick in because the Remicade did take a good 3 months to really kick in also for the Crohns so I am trying to hang in there ...just thought I would add my Cimzia experience because not a lot of people are on it..hope you feel better soon
 

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Glad you finally got relief. I think it is very hard to get the right concoction for your disease as everyone's responds to meds and the disease is so difficult! Hope you stay well!
 
Thanks Jettlady for the kind words :) CrohnieCarolyn did you only have joint pain on the Remicade or have you had it in general? I was on on Remicade years ago but had severe antiphalactic (spelling??) reaction to it. I have had slight injection site reaction to the Cimzia but not bad enough not to use it. When you started the Cimzia did they do loading doses? With me I had 400mg then two weeks later 400mg and then...400mg four weeks from the first injections. Now it is every four weeks. I did not get a whole lot of relief with the Cimzia alone but adding the Prograf with the Cimzia has really done the trick so far. Kello have your doctors mentioned adding something with the Prograf? If it is helping some maybe adding something with it might do it for you.. I am not a doctor but it would be so GREAT if you could heal completely too! (i think you should write a book about your life with Crohns) your story is unbelievable for such a young woman.
 
I'm a little late to the party here, but i took Prograf starting around January 2008. It worked well for about a year and a half, at which point i started to feel worse and worse. I guess my body adapted to the drug. Because of this i am now on pred and will be supposedly going on humira soon. whilie it lasted prograf was great! just watch for your crohns symptoms and if they pop up again talk with your doc. I didnt and spent a miserable summer close to the toilet before i figured it out.

-Matt
 
Thanks Matt for the imput.. I hope it last longer then that because I have been on almost all the meds approved and not approved for Crohns. Mine is considered nonresposive. I have seen doctors locally and in Seattle along with some in Southern California. I soooo want this to work :).. I can't stand pred. I gain so much weight and I have quite a bit of bone degeration from it. We will see~ I will keep you all posted!
 
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