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My teenage son has IBD

I'm so confused by this disease right now, I'm not sure I can even cobble together a coherent story, but here goes...

My son is a teenager now. He first became ill when he was 10 years old, and after running all the gamut of tests, he was diagnosed Indeterminate colitis, strongly leaning UC. He was put on Asacol and it (and other brands of the same medication: Apriso, Delzicol) has kept him in remission for several years. Our first pediatric GI physician left the area about a year after diagnosis and we switched to the one we have now.

About 18 months ago, he started complaining of heartburn. His current GI put him on omeprazole. After a year of that she changed him to famotidine because omeprazole is bad for bone density or something like that.

A couple weeks ago, he started having gut problems, a little diarrhea, a little blood. And more heartburn. He had been on a very low dose of Delzicol for a long time, so that got cranked way up. Then he complained of rectal pain/swelling. We go to ER, they do CT scan, declare it a rectal abscess and treat with antibiotics. Follow up with his GI the next week, she declares it also a rectal abscess (without examining him) and further, announces he for sure has Crohn's, on the basis of the ER visit/CT scan/presence of rectal abscess.

So today, was the first time he's had endoscopy since he was a little boy. Current pediatric GI (5 days later) now says there is no rectal abscess, it's a hemorrhoid. Therefore she walks back her previously adamant assertion that he absolutely has Crohn's, and calls it IBD again. But really stunning to me, was his upper scope... his stomach has a couple bleeding ulcers. He says his stomach never has hurt but it sure looks like it would be painful.

The past two weeks have been difficult because we really never needed much from this current pediatric GI physician because he was so stable. Now that he's not, I'm realizing how awful she is. She's so abrupt and rushes out the door without explaining anything. I'm an RN, btw. I can't stand this woman now. She told us five days ago that he had Crohn's without a doubt, dropped that bomb and walked out of the room leaving us dazed. Then today she says, he has IBD, not sure about Crohn's. The she says, "I will wait for the biopsies and then I will decide what I'm going to give him" , meaning what medication he will get next.

Um, aside from the fact that she's been kind of carelessly putting us on an emotional roller coaster, shouldn't we the parents, and our son, be included in the decision of what his treatment plan will be? I mean I know she's the expert, but he's 18. And, well, I would think this should be a collaborative effort.

He needs to switch over to an adult GI physician soon anyway, so it may happen sooner rather than later. It's not optimal to switch during a flare, but I have already made an appointment with an adult GI physician for him, since it takes a couple months to get in. I'm so unhappy with our current pediatric GI.

So I've come here to learn and to hopefully find other people who can relate to what we're experiencing in our family's situation. I'm open to advice and information. I like to collaborate, share, and learn from others' experiences.
Thank you!
 
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Welcome. I am sorry for all you guys have been through. I hope that you guys can find a doctor that has some good bedside manner. Yes, I think you all should have a say in the decision about the next step. There is a section in here called Parents of Kids with IBD. If he ever wants to get on the forum, there is also a section called Teens Only. I hope the best for you
 
Hi, I'm so sorry to hear about what you and your family have been going through.
It reminds me a little bit of my own diagnosis when I was 13 (I'm now nearly 26). Originally I was told by my family's physician that I had IBD. I was away for the summer and a pain began developing to the extent that my large intestine was heavily inflamed and I had to be flown back home. After a couple of examinations, I was diagnosed with Crohn's by the doctor at the hospital I attended.
I was put on Asacol and other medications I don't remember about (since I was 13 I was just going with the flow) and eventually landed in remission.
It is a very scary time for a child. You feel so alone even when you have your family around you. You can't really talk to your friends about this because the disease is so sensitive and your conditions for growing up have changed.
If you're unhappy with your GI, can you change? It is always best to go to a gastroenterologist at a hospital specialized for children - they will give you the proper diagnosis.

I wish you all the best. It's a terrible time, but we can all push through it.
 

my little penguin

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Big hugs
Here is the parents group
http://www.crohnsforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=49

A lot of our parents have "kids" over the age of 18.

Crohns is difficult to dx so getting a second or third opinion isn't unheard of
I amazed that they didn't do follow up scopes sooner
Monitoring happens more often in kids since they are more likely to progress to severe disease as they get older .

Adult Gi tend to have less of a "family " plan happening
Ped Gi are all about including mom /dad and the child in the decision
As far as next med the Gi might have later said med xyz is what j would recommended based on her experience
Has he had a pillcam ? Fecal caloprotectin ?
Biopsies will probably provide a better picture as to whether it's crohns or not

Going to tag other parents
Clash
Tesscom
Mehita
Jmrogers
Maya142
Crohnsinct
 
My has CD. He was dxed at 15 by a local adult GI(no local ped GI) then we promptly switched to a pediatric GI though it's a bit of a drive.

C will be 20 this year. Our peds GI will see patients through college unless there are a lot of hospital stays since he is with the children's Hospital and they stop taking kiddos at 21. We are dreading the switch to an adult GI but it may come sooner rather than later since my son has been unable to attain remission.

I'm surprised that your son hasn't had more scopes or imaging throughout this time. Ped GIs tend to follow and monitor closely since IBD can be insidiously silent. My son has been asymptomatic for a few years but during that time his disease has been active to the point of requiring a small bowel resection.

Hopefully, the biopsies will give you a better idea of what's going on and you can treat from there. Have they mentioned a pill cam or further small bowel imaging like an MRE?

IBD can be such a difficult monster to pin down, I hope you find answers soon!
 
Thank you all for your kind, helpful responses. I am still learning how to navigate this forum so I don't know how to respond individually.

Thank you Embyrr, it *is* really hard for teens, and my son did go through a lot of feelings of isolation I think. The biggest thing that helped him, since he didn't know anyone in our town or in his school with IBD, was going to Camp Oasis (that's a camp through CCFA in the US. I don't know if it exists anywhere else.) I hope things are going well for you.

We haven't had a pill cam or the fecal calprotectin tests. And I do agree with you guys, that in general the pediatric folks are more interested in including the parents. This particular physician has an apparently well-known reputation for this rushed, unhelpful manner, which I didn't realize until recently. I mean we only saw her once a year for checkups and to get his med refilled. I did observe that she was quick and to the point, but there wasn't much to talk about. Now that there is.....

I don't know if we can change to a different physician inside this practice, there are three. I don't know the other two.

It can be hard to know what to do. And my son's general attitude is that he doesn't want to be bothered with it. With the disease, with the treatment. He just wants to live his life, of course that's natural. So his input is kind of minimal. We are in the process of trying to guide and teach him how to be a good health care consumer, and advocate for himself. That's a challenge too.

In hindsight I guess I should have pushed for more testing to be done on him over the years, but we did have bloodwork done from time to time and it was always fine. His original GI was extremely finicky and wanted every little thing checked, she had said when he was 11, that he didn't need another scope for 8 years, barring any problems. So I thought we were ok.

It's kind of amazing how diverse the medical opinions are on this, you know? Like, the conventional wisdom is kind of all over the place.
 

Maya142

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It may be possible for him to see another pediatric GI. Sometimes pediatric doctors will take new patients that are 18. Others will not. It really depends.

But I agree, you need a new doctor! 8 years between scopes is a lot!

I hope the biopsies give you more answers. I agree that a pillcam or MRE should be done to check out his small bowel.

If it is Crohn's, medications like Apriso and Asacol, won't work well. They tend to work much better for Ulcerative Colitis. That is because UC only affects the first layer of the bowel, which Crohn's affects all layers.

If he does have Crohn's, chances are you will need an immunomodulator (like 6MP or Methotrexate) or a biologic (Remicade, Humira) to control it.

I would also pursue a second opinion, since you don't like or trust your GI.

I also have a "big kid" -- she was diagnosed at 16 and is now 19. She still sees her pediatric GI.

Check out the Parents Forum - there is lots of info there.
 
Our docs always gave us options and merely suggested what drugs to take, always wanted our input. The first doc happily let us try the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (which surprised me). They never doubted that it was Crohn's, though. You should have a doctor you're happy with. We're meeting our 4th doc in a couple weeks lol.
 

Tesscorm

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He was diagnosed at 16 and was under the care of a ped GI until he turned 18. At first, I wasn't greatly enamored by his adult GI and I felt he though my questions/suggestions were a nuisance (although he always took the time to answer all). But, over the last 4 years, I've come to like and trust him very much. I did find that he (perhaps, many adult specialists, in general?) did have less of a 'family' approach to conversations but I didn't allow that to alter my side of the conversations (LOTS of questions and suggestions! :lol:). I feel we now have a very good relationship and that my input/questions are respected. It is an adjustment for parents but, if handled well, also forces our kids to become more involved in their own treatments/decisions.

As far as your son's involvement in future treatment - I do agree he should be part of the decision. When my son moved to his adult GI, we needed to decide on a treatment. I'd wanted to try LDN, GI did not agree and wanted remicade. While I wanted to try LDN, I respected the GI's expertise... and wanted my son to be part of that decision. So, when GI discussed pros/cons of remicade, I asked tons of questions about other options (immunosuppressants, LDN and humira), ensuring my son had a full picture. In the end, my son made the decision to start remicade but I felt confident he understood the pros and cons of all his options. If your son's ped or adult GI doesn't offer all the information, just ask and keep asking...

When trying to get your son to be more involved... what I've always done is discuss my questions with my son before his apptmt. I tell him what/why I'll be asking, my concerns, what I expect the Gi will say, etc.... At the beginning, my son contributed little during the apptmt but, now, I usually only 'prompt' him if he's forgotten something...

As your son will soon be moving to an adult GI in the foreseeable future, I would try to have him start the treatment with the dr who will be treating him for the long term. If it's at all possible to move up the adult GI apptmt, I would try to wait... (of course, not if it's risking your son's health). It will also help in that you will have two opinions by that time and can discuss the different options with the adult GI.

Also agree that an MRE would be helpful to see the small bowel.

Good luck! I hope you get some answers soon! :ghug:
 
You have already been given some great advice and I agree with what others have said. My son's GI likes to do some kind of imaging every 3 years (scopes, MRE, pillcam) depending on location of disease. My son will be 17 in about 2 weeks and will continue with his ped GI most likely through college we have talked with him about when and how to transfer to adult GI and he has a couple in mind since my son has generally been asymptomatic and after many years we have figured out what is normal for him and he wants him to go to someone who will work outside of the box not just go by "well labs are normal" My son's scopes were clean and labs all within normal ranges but I just knew we were missing something since he wasn't growing/gaining weight, his GI agreed to keep testing after that and scheduled MRE and said if nothing showed up there we would do a pill cam as well. MRE showed massive inflammation throughout small intestine and he told us our options. He gave us the pros/cons of the choices we had. I told my son I had final say at this point in his life (he was 14) but wanted to hear what he wanted since it was his life. He wanted to go with remicade and I had no reason not to agree with him. He has been in remission since that time over 2 1/2 years now.
 
It's Crohn's. My son has Crohn's. He sees a surgeon in a couple days because of the abscess/fistula (which the pediatric GI misdiagnosed as a hemorrhoid). We have an adult GI physician now, who my son and husband and I have confidence in. We have some bumpy times ahead, but hopefully we are on the right track. I pray.
 
It's Crohn's. My son has Crohn's. He sees a surgeon in a couple days because of the abscess/fistula (which the pediatric GI misdiagnosed as a hemorrhoid). We have an adult GI physician now, who my son and husband and I have confidence in. We have some bumpy times ahead, but hopefully we are on the right track. I pray.
Support and prayers
 

Maya142

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Sending hugs!! Have they talked about changing his medications? Generally something like Remicade is needed for fistulae and abscesses.

There are LOTS of parents with kiddos on Remicade (and various other meds) on the parent's forum. There is a lot of info there too.

Hang in there!
 
I'm sorry I can not help with the IBD part I was only diagnosed 2 weeks ago but the rude Dr part I I have had the same experience. I think they like to tell you what to do but don't like answering any questions. I like to know my options and try to educate myself on whats happening to my body (crazy huh). I had a nightmare scenario where I had to change Drs 3 times (gps) because they didn't want to help because I was going to take up too much of their time. I even got yelled at and called a hypochondriac and wanted me to see a psychiatrist. 3 years of suffering later I ended up having diabetes, pituitary adenoma and Crohn's disease. Do not tolerate a Dr which does not care.
 
I'm sorry I can not help with the IBD part I was only diagnosed 2 weeks ago but the rude Dr part I I have had the same experience. I think they like to tell you what to do but don't like answering any questions. I like to know my options and try to educate myself on whats happening to my body (crazy huh). I had a nightmare scenario where I had to change Drs 3 times (gps) because they didn't want to help because I was going to take up too much of their time. I even got yelled at and called a hypochondriac and wanted me to see a psychiatrist. 3 years of suffering later I ended up having diabetes, pituitary adenoma and Crohn's disease. Do not tolerate a Dr which does not care.
Agree
 
Yes Maya you are right, they do want to change his meds once the abscess/fistula issue is taken care of. Not sure which one we'll be adding.
 
Remember to love your child. Don't think of him as damaged or useless. More than even a correct dx and treatment he needs your love and support. Don't accuse him of making it up or faking it. Hold his hand, love him. I am writing this in tears because my parents couldn't or wouldn't do that for me. Love him, wrap him up and be the safe space away from the Drs and Nurses.

On a practical bent start a savings account for you to contribute to as financial insecurity is a key social side effect of a chronic illness.
 
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Remember to love your child. Don't think of him as damaged or useless. More than even a correct dx and treatment he needs your love and support. Don't accuse him of making it up or faking it. Hold his hand, love him. I am writing this im tears because my parents couldn't or wouldn't do that for me. Love him, wrap him up and be the safe space away from the Drs and Nurses.

On a practical bent start a savings account for you to contribute to as financial insecurity is a key social side effect of a chronic illness.
Amen
 
My advice would be to take a little time to catch your breath. Maybe do some research
on-line. I believe you should definitely take charge of what treatment will be received.
My wife and I are hospital pharmacists and our daughter was diagnosed with severe
Crohn's disease with ulcerations from her stomach all the way through to her anus at
the age of 5. The pediatric GI doctor wanted to be aggressive with her treatment, but
we decided to take the time to do our own research. We tried changing her diet based
on what we found, avoiding emulsifiers, preservatives, and pesticides. She has since
been it total remission for 3 years while avoiding the powerful medications the doctor
wanted to put her on. I shutter to think where she would be right now if we just
followed doctor's advice.
 
My advice would be to take a little time to catch your breath. Maybe do some research
on-line. I believe you should definitely take charge of what treatment will be received.
My wife and I are hospital pharmacists and our daughter was diagnosed with severe
Crohn's disease with ulcerations from her stomach all the way through to her anus at
the age of 5. The pediatric GI doctor wanted to be aggressive with her treatment, but
we decided to take the time to do our own research. We tried changing her diet based
on what we found, avoiding emulsifiers, preservatives, and pesticides. She has since
been it total remission for 3 years while avoiding the powerful medications the doctor
wanted to put her on. I shutter to think where she would be right now if we just
followed doctor's advice.
Thank you, and yes, what you say about Doctors, totally resonates with me, down to my bones. As an RN I know things....not everything, but I know enough to know to be leary of everything until I check it out myself. I want to pursue dietary changes with our son, but at 18, I don't know how far he will be willing to go with that. Still, it's something I truly believe can help. I hate that he is on these powerful antibiotics, they are making him feel bad and upsetting his gut worse than the Crohn's did. But since he has an abscess there is no way to avoid this. As I mentioned in another thread, he now has oral thrush (going to his primary today) from the antibiotics. Any suggestions on dealing with that are welcome! I'm so glad your daughter is doing well :)
 
Remember to love your child. Don't think of him as damaged or useless. More than even a correct dx and treatment he needs your love and support. Don't accuse him of making it up or faking it. Hold his hand, love him. I am writing this im tears because my parents couldn't or wouldn't do that for me. Love him, wrap him up and be the safe space away from the Drs and Nurses.

On a practical bent start a savings account for you to contribute to as financial insecurity is a key social side effect of a chronic illness.
Thank you. I'm so sorry for your sorrow. It's so hard to parent through this, when things go wrong for him, this fight-or-flight thing wells up in me, adrenalin flows, my heart pounds. I want to lay down and cry but I take a deep breath and try to look calm and smile at my beautiful boy. I love all my children fiercely; being helpless as one of them suffers breaks me. Now I am typing through tears too. Thank you for your wise words :)
 
Hello everyone,

An update:

It's been several months since I posted here, and in that time my son has had 2 Setons placed, and has switched his diet to plant-based and almost vegan. He feels a lot better. He is taking pretty much no medication now, just vitamins and probiotics. He had an MRI a while back, just before the 2nd Seton. His GI and his colorectal surgeon both want him on a biologic, to prevent any further fistulas, so that he can preserve anal sphincter integrity and therefore, fecal continence.

We have reasons to want to avoid Humira at this time, so the choice is Entyvio. I'm scared of it, but my son (18) wants to try it. I don't blame him. While he is stable right now, he lost 20 pounds since July and isn't having much luck gaining it back. His appetite isn't that good. However he goes to college classes and work and hangs out with friends like most kids his age.

I'd like to hear from anyone who may have knowledge or experience with Entyvio. The infusions have been approved by our insurance so it will be happening pretty soon I think. Thank you all in advance!
 

Maya142

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I'll tag Kimmidwife - her daughter is on it.

My daughter will hopefully be starting Entyvio soon (if insurance approves it). Let us know how it goes! We were told the infusions are pretty short - about an hour or even less, I think.

In terms of weight gain, has your son considered drinking supplemental formula? Some kids drink Boost or Ensure to gain or even maintain their weight. Others need more "broken down" formulas and drink semi-elemental or elemental formulas, like Peptamen or Neocate.

Boost and Ensure are the most palatable, so I'd try those first. Some kids are able to drink formulas like Peptamen and Neocate, while others require feeding tubes (usually NG tubes).

Some kids choose to keep the tubes in all the time, while others insert the tube at night and remove it before school in the morning. My daughter did that and it's really not as difficult as it sounds. Once she got used to it, she said it was MUCH better than drinking formula! She gained about 25 lbs and has much more energy and feels much better now that she is getting enough calories.

Good luck!
 
I'll tag Kimmidwife - her daughter is on it.

My daughter will hopefully be starting Entyvio soon (if insurance approves it). Let us know how it goes! We were told the infusions are pretty short - about an hour or even less, I think.
Thank you Maya142. Please let me know how your daughter does on it, and I will let you know how it goes for us as well.

Supplements: he did really well on vegan Orgain shakes, however, he is being kind of obstinate (it is a personality trait of his) and he won't drink them anymore. He is doing really well with diet otherwise, and making good choices. But he refuses to drink supplements at this time. I think very highly of the vegan Orgain shakes, and while they can have a grainy mouthfeel to them, if they are whirled up in a blender or nutribullet with ice or a frozen banana, they are quite fine to me. There is a mild bitter aftertaste to them, but I am pretty sure it's the hemp they contain. That's just the way hemp seed is. I got the recommendation for Orgain on this forum somewhere, so thanks to whoever that was!! I can't recall.
 
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