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appreciate some advice

Hi, I'm in mid-40's and have had colitis, most likely Crohn's, since Jan 2008. Initial V brief response to mesalazine (< 10 days), but then had reasonably severe flare and had to start steroids and have been on them ever since. Managed to taper over several months from 60mg Pred to 15-20mg but kept flaring on reduction.

Just before my gastroenterologist went on long-term sick leave summer 2008 he was able to ascertain I had TMPT-deficiency (TPMT is the enzyme involved in metabolising azathioprine) but with him out of the picture I was kind of left to deal with it myself (see later) juggling steroids for 6 months or so. Got a bit fed up with this (and realised this couldn't go on) and managed to source another GI specialist ultimately who has certainly been more available.

Aza not normally felt possible if you lack TPMT but we've now over the last 6-8 months been trying tiny doses and whilst have managed to get down to 2.5mg pred before disease then began flaring, so usual story of escalating and cautious, painfully slow taper. Now back on 10mg. No significant aza toxicity other than intermittent vertigo (very unpleasant / debilitating) and fatigue. Arthralgia really took hold when I was teetering on lowest dose of steroids, but largely goes when steroids go back up. When disease flares also get eye pain, uveitis I guess. Suspect I'm heading towards IM methotrexate (not keen, but want to get off steroids).

Was fairly fit pre-diagnosis, (resting HR was < 50 when I attended for my colonoscopy), keen cyclist, but have now lost a load of muscle and regained some fat and feel exhausted most of the time now (although like now often times when I can manage only a few hours sleep) and it's certainly affecting home life with wife & kids and work. All very frustrating, just really want my old life back but I guess that's what we all want. . .

Be keen to hear if anyone else has tried azathioprine in context of TMPT deficiency and also any tips about diet - I know what I seem to need to avoid when things light up (anything pleasurable, dairy, ice-cream, chocolate, salty foods). Also anyone any thoughts about alcohol and aza side-effects, profound vertigo and fatigue one week after just a few drinks (definitely only a few) at a party couple of weeks ago, still getting over it, but appreciate my circumstances unusual. . .

I know my symptoms are in comparison to many quite mild, I know it could be much much worse, but frustrated can't get this under control. The fact that I'm a hospital doctor should give me some greater insight / influence but doesn't seem to be helping much so far. Appreciate any comments, think your forum's really good.
 
Welcome to the forum alecmd.

That's a real bummer about Azathioprine. I haven't run across anyone here who has the TPMT gene/deficiency. Have you searched any of the treatment threads? There is bound to be someone here who has this same issue.

This disease is a challenge. The fatigue is exhausting...(sounds crazy) Just tired of being tired...I can relate.

I hope you get some answers soon.
 
Thanks - options put to me were either azathioprine or methotrexate. Did ask about biologicals but wasn't felt severe enough to start these. Methotrexate was initially the recommended option but I wasn't keen on weekly intramuscular injections or (to be honest) the idea of MTX. I was told oral MTX doesn't work - but I see at least one pt on the forum has been getting it orally.

After a bit of debate we agreed to try low dose aza - pts lacking TPMT don't break down the active metabolite of the drug, so a small dose (I started on 5mg/day) should have the same effect as a conventional dose in a pt with normal TPMT levels, or at least that's the theory. Aza I think is converted to 6-MP and it was felt no advantage to using 6MP. Anyway I think it's probably not working, not able to get off steroids, although getting some of the Aza side-effects. Due to see gastroenterologist next week. . .
 
I'm on oral MTX as I failed Aza spectacularly... it's not so bad, but taking it's time to work - 4 weeks and counting. If necessary I'd go for the injections. Getting the disease under control and keeping it that way is of more concern than minor unpleasentness, IYSWIM.

Anyway, Welcome!
 
:poo: Hi i'm new to this forum, but so far it looks like a cool place to come and see there are others getting by each day with their illness.
Yea, alot of the drugs failed to work on me. I normally need surgical intervention when things get going, and living with tiredness all the time it;s really tiring!!!
Anyway things cant get any worse :) alcohol seems to really kill me aswell. It normally involves me being extremely sick the whole day afterwards and tired the rest of the week. Such a shame as l would like to drink on occasions.
 
I might be wrong with this but azathioprine can negatively affect your liver functions can't it? That being said, wouldn't drinking while on the drug screw up your liver? Just a thought. I personally can't drink much without feeling it the next day, but I'm not on azathioprine either. Are you being slowly taken off steriods or steadily at 10mg? In CO they immediatly put you on 60mg of pred if you have a flare up, then decrease it slowly; just saying 10mg is pretty small dose IMO. Good luck
 

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