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I feel better but now I find myself starting to bleed.

I thought I was going to be one of the lucky one's like Pen who wouldn't end up bleeding.

I drank a bottle of magnesium citrate to clear me out which it did just fine =) Then I went liquid for 2 days and finally started feeling like my old self, went to the gym and ran 11.5 miles in 2 days!

I can't think this would be it, but I did end up taking 6 aspirin (not more then the label said was safe and not all at once) to help combat some muscle pain.

I guess we'll see if it gets worse.
 
You need someone to rub those muscles for you?
Sorry about the bleeding. At least you're feeling good. I don't bleed often, but when I do I don't worry about it as long as I'm feeling okay. Maybe that's dumb.
Don't overdo it at the gym. Your body's not used to it, you've been sick. Take it easy still a little bit. Patience.
 
Drew,

Sorry to hear that you're bleeding. I'm a bleeder and sometimes very heavy which gets me nervous. It usually only lasts a couple of days and then stops. For me though, I think the bleeding is associated with a fissure. Hope you feel better! And lay off the aspirin....you know that's not good for you!
 
Aspirin can also be linked to ulceration developing too....

I had a patient die a few weeks back because he was on aspirin for years with heart problems. Came in and had his heart op and flew threw his first couple of days recovery on the ward after it.

Collapsed on the ward vomiting blood. No one knew he had the ulcers because he never complained of any symptoms and his GP didnt put him on a stomach protector like omeprazole. MY gastro consultant came and did an upper scope on MY patient. I saw the ulcers for myself - there were dozens of little ones and 4 large ones. We did all we could but lost him that night. It really upset me.


SO STAY AWAY FROM ASPIRIN IS THE MOTTO OF THE STORY FOR ALL IBD SUFFERERS!!
 
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You are trying to scare me aren't you Soupy!!!!!

Cross my heart & hope to die, stick a needle in my eye. I promise no aspirin for me :)
 
What's weird guys is that my doc said aspirin was safe. I'll definitely have to have this discussion with him.
 
Aspirin is an NSAID and all NSAIDs are suppose to be avoided by IBDers because it can promote bleeding in the intestines, Tylenol is the safe bet, avoid anything that has NSAIDs, being advil, aspirin, alieve...

:)
 
Aspirin is safe AS LONG AS it is monitored on a regular basis, you have a med to protect the lining of your stomach like omeprazole and you dont have something like IBD that makes you more susceptable to ulceration! Prednisolone can irritate the stomach lining and cause heartburn and its also why it comes in a "coated" format as well as ordinary like aspirin and why both are recommended to be taken with/after food.

Like all meds it has side effects and folk need to be aware of the possible implications. For IBD sufferers it is important to stay away from Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Diclofenac (anything in the Non steroidal group (NSAIDs) of drugs) as they can contribute to ulcers in the gut. For SOME asthmatics for instance the same group of drugs MAY contribute to an asthma attack. I got a copy of a letter my Rheumatology Consultant sent to my Asthma/Allergy Consultant yesterday and in it he told him that "we do try very hard to avoid NSAIDs in patients with Inflammatory Bowel Disease as these can exacerbate the gut". This was because my Asthma cons felt they could use this group of drugs to control my pain problems much better in HIS opinion even though he knows my GP and Dermatology Consultant think I have aspirin sensitive asthma. As you can see my Rheums cons has basically said no way. My asthma consultant wanted to take me into hospital and run tests to see if I really had a problem with Aspirin etc on the asthma front. Both the Rheums and Gastro teams along with my GP have said NO because of the possible impact on my IBD.

The patient I mentioned of mine that died was a more extreme case because he went unmonitored for years and had no physical symptoms. Its also possible he did have symptoms but was so used to them because they crept up over a period of time he didnt see a problem. His ulcers were in his stomach and the first two parts of his duodenum - at least that was the areas the scope was able to reach.

Pen its things like that I see day in day out at work - part of the job I am afraid. I also lost a 28yr old and a 38yr old 10 days apart for different chest problems around the same time. Can be really tough some days... but its what I feel I do best in looking after folk so sick. Any kind of aspirin needs monitored Pen whether its coated or not.

As an example of another drug that folk use without thinking....

Paracetamol (Acetaminaphen) is recommended not to take any more than 8 tablets in 24hrs here in the UK - not sure about US. Did you know it can take as little as 12 (500mg tablets) in 24hrs or in one go to destroy your liver - or do damage (its why some folk use it when they overdose as there can be no going back if they are found) and you not survive (depends how susceptable/sensitive you are to it but you never know until faced with it)? Yet its a drug that folk use day in day out without thinking for pain relief....because they think its "safe".

Not trying to scare you Isla - just trying to get folk to see no med taken doesnt have implications both for the positive and negative effect and its important we all recognise that and accept the responsibility of watching for possible side effects etc. Some get scared by some of the meds we take for Crohns but overlook the every day stuff because its widely acceptable! Its also why a patient leaflet comes in the med box so we can read it and be informed and aware of what we take. Doesnt mean however that we will suffer any side effect or all that are mentioned with each med we take. The leaflet is there to inform and say "these are the POSSIBLE things that MIGHT happen, please be aware".

Because of the above many feel overwhelmed when they look at the information leaflet with meds they have or become scared. There is a need to keep things in perspective though as I have said not everything will affect every single person.

Does that make sense everyone? Just trying to clarify my thoughts here... not always the best at putting into words what is in my head!!
 
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Well thank you everyone for educating me! I didn't realize that aspirin was an NSAID either .. good grief.

All things being equal though. Why in the hell did I start bleeding when I had been on a liquid diet for 2 days and I assure you there was nothing solid in my gut and after something as small as 6 aspirin cause something like this to happen?

Before I got roasted by my GP about taking Ibuprofen like candy (always within reason of course) since I was trying to avoid narcotics, it never caused any problems like this.
 
Haha Mike!

So no aspirin for me. I was wondering .. well is the Crohn's progressing to the large bowel or something, as I figured that since its been diagnosed as in the small bowel that by the time any blood would get to the toilet it would have dried. This was bright red fresh stuff. Maybe I need to change my nuvaring ...
 
soupdragon69 said:
Aspirin is safe AS LONG AS it is monitored on a regular basis, you have a med to protect the lining of your stomach like omeprazole and you dont have something like IBD that makes you more susceptable to ulceration! Prednisolone can irritate the stomach lining and cause heartburn and its also why it comes in a "coated" format as well as ordinary like aspirin and why both are recommended to be taken with/after food.

Like all meds it has side effects and folk need to be aware of the possible implications. For IBD sufferers it is important to stay away from Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Diclofenac (anything in the Non steroidal group (NSAIDs) of drugs) as they can contribute to ulcers in the gut. For SOME asthmatics for instance the same group of drugs MAY contribute to an asthma attack. I got a copy of a letter my Rheumatology Consultant sent to my Asthma/Allergy Consultant yesterday and in it he told him that "we do try very hard to avoid NSAIDs in patients with Inflammatory Bowel Disease as these can exacerbate the gut". This was because my Asthma cons felt they could use this group of drugs to control my pain problems much better in HIS opinion even though he knows my GP and Dermatology Consultant think I have aspirin sensitive asthma. As you can see my Rheums cons has basically said no way. My asthma consultant wanted to take me into hospital and run tests to see if I really had a problem with Aspirin etc on the asthma front. Both the Rheums and Gastro teams along with my GP have said NO because of the possible impact on my IBD.

The patient I mentioned of mine that died was a more extreme case because he went unmonitored for years and had no physical symptoms. Its also possible he did have symptoms but was so used to them because they crept up over a period of time he didnt see a problem. His ulcers were in his stomach and the first two parts of his duodenum - at least that was the areas the scope was able to reach.

Pen its things like that I see day in day out at work - part of the job I am afraid. I also lost a 28yr old and a 38yr old 10 days apart for different chest problems around the same time. Can be really tough some days... but its what I feel I do best in looking after folk so sick. Any kind of aspirin needs monitored Pen whether its coated or not.

As an example of another drug that folk use without thinking....

Paracetamol (Acetaminaphen) is recommended not to take any more than 8 tablets in 24hrs here in the UK - not sure about US. Did you know it can take as little as 12 (500mg tablets) in 24hrs or in one go to destroy your liver - or do damage (its why some folk use it when they overdose as there can be no going back if they are found) and you not survive (depends how susceptable/sensitive you are to it but you never know until faced with it)? Yet its a drug that folk use day in day out without thinking for pain relief....because they think its "safe".

Not trying to scare you Isla - just trying to get folk to see no med taken doesnt have implications both for the positive and negative effect and its important we all recognise that and accept the responsibility of watching for possible side effects etc. Some get scared by some of the meds we take for Crohns but overlook the every day stuff because its widely acceptable! Its also why a patient leaflet comes in the med box so we can read it and be informed and aware of what we take. Doesnt mean however that we will suffer any side effect or all that are mentioned with each med we take. The leaflet is there to inform and say "these are the POSSIBLE things that MIGHT happen, please be aware".

Because of the above many feel overwhelmed when they look at the information leaflet with meds they have or become scared. There is a need to keep things in perspective though as I have said not everything will affect every single person.

Does that make sense everyone? Just trying to clarify my thoughts here... not always the best at putting into words what is in my head!!

I accidentally took a double does of Paracetamol the other day. I'm terrified my liver is going to fall out now :(
 
If Drew's changing his nuvaring, I need to find a new crush.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

So, no asprin today I'm sure - anything better on the bleeding issue??
 
There was a study this year that showed that aspirin is fine for IBD sufferers for periods of less than 2 weeks and showed that it does not have any impact on flares. Ibuprofen, Naproxen, and the other NSAIDs on the other hand can trigger a flare even with very little use.

We talked about it on here a few months ago. The goal for the study was to okay it's use for acute heart attack/stroke patients and lay the ground work for eventually okaying the low dose aspirin for people at high risk for heart attack/stroke.

You can take a single aspirin here or there, and certainly if you're worried about a heart attack get that pill down ASAP. BUT, you can't take it like other people can. No regular dosing for you and definitely no 6 pills in a day. You especially shouldn't be taking it if you are bleeding or have any current ulcers regardless of if you have crohn's disease or not.
 

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