Cannabis in IBD

[kiny]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22815234

 

[kiny]

everyone knows this will never happen, because most GI are way too busy filling their pockets with money from big pharma

I mean you wouldn't want some natural plant that anyone can make in their back yard to show a real benefit to people that could compromise all the money you get under the table from studies from big pharma would you now.

psssh

I don't know what makes me angrier, the fact they are choosing to give some people dangerous as hell drugs, the fact they often do this in the form of bribes, or the fact they purposely refuse to acknowledge the benefits of something with a way better safety record than most meds.

 

[EthanPSU]

I would def take cannabis for it even if its illegal. The only reason i dont is because it would get me fired from any job that does drug tests... :/

 

[Thermo]

I mean you wouldn't want some natural plant that anyone can make in their back yard to show a real benefit to people that could compromise all the money you get under the table from studies from big pharma would you now.

psssh

I don't know what makes me angrier, the fact they are choosing to give some people dangerous as hell drugs, the fact they often do this in the form of bribes, or the fact they purposely refuse to acknowledge the benefits of something with a way better safety record than most meds.

THC has be synthetically created since the 60's it is currently available by a prescription Marinol which you can go to your doctor and get a script for as it's approved by the FDA. I think what this article is referring to is the furthering synthesizing of cannabis compounds, CBD being the most current which is a somewhat emerging compound. Cannabis plants that are high in CBD have been painstakingly bred over recent years, so this research will continue to evolve. You can currently get lozenges or hash oil at MM places that are pure CBD or very high, it will only be a matter of time before there is a prescription available for it.

While I agree that it doesn't make sense that the DEA has Cannabis listed as a schedule 1 narcotic and Cocaine as a schedule 2 narcotic. This has more to do with American society and movies like reefer madness than anything. I personally do not feel there is a conspiracy of bribery between my doctor and big pharmacy, he knows I use MM and he encourages it as it has been proven to assist current medications on the market. I have used MM exclusively off and on for almost 10 years and it has never put me into any kind of remission that pharmaceutical medications can. I still use it to this day but only to encourage intestinal flora proliferation, pain relief, and to help assist inflammation reduction with biologics.

 

[Moe.]

I Use MM Oil and it works. And it brought me in remission greater than any other drug ive been told to use. In fact I remember it worked straight away. Within a three weeks I was 90% back to normal.
So yeah I think that it is a conspiracy and a cover up. No profit in a cure, have we not all heard that before. And btw Marinol and Savitex, dont compare to the real thing. When you ingest the plant thats when you really heal.

Anyway hope this becomes treatment one day.

 

[Thermo]

I don't understand how it's a 'cure' if you have to continue to take MM? I am glad you found what works for you, MM has been proven to be effective in IBD however to me it has to do more that patients either think it's taboo or they don't know how it can be effectively used medicinally. It is still a schedule 1 drug as such no established GI doctor will prescribe it or they will lose their license not sure where the conspiracy comes in. Within 20 years it will be legal and people will still run into doctors not prescribing it, just like how so many people run into doctors not checking their B12 or iron levels now. I think the MM cause would be much further along if people didn't keep referring to a global conspiracy, I feel it only perpetuates stereotypes like 'reefer madness' but that is just me I guess.

I disagree that the synthesized pills don't compare to the real thing, you will never have a concentrate like hash oil with as potent THC as what can be made in a lab. Sure you will miss out on several thousand other secondary metabolites but the point of research is that cannabis synthesizing will continue and yield promising results as not everyone likes walking around with the major side effect of cannabis which is psychotomimetic and the high you feel. This will only be effectively engineered out in a lab and I am certainly looking forward to getting a prescription of pure CBD with no THC.

 

[Jennifer]

Very true Thermo. I for one don't really like the high personally as I have a panic disorder and that high tends to bring on more anxiety for me.

 

[Moe.]

Hi Thermo

I said remission not cure. But its okay if you want to put words in my mouth.

It cures the damage, not the causative agent A.K.A MAP (probability 65%).

Works better than 5-ASA, works better than 6-MP
works better than IMURAN.

And its so cool there is no side effect.

The first you take it you feel light headed, after two days its normal. Better than damaging your liver, and immune system if you ask me.

 

[Thermo]

So yeah I think that it is a conspiracy and a cover up. No profit in a cure

I didn't put words anywhere, this is what you said earlier, my question was how is it a cure if you have to keep taking it? it sounds like medicine to me.

Works better than 5-ASA, works better than 6-MP
works better than IMURAN.

And its so cool there is no side effect

Moe can you supply the link to this research, that proves in a research setting cannabis is better than mesalamine and 6mp? I would really love to read it.

As for the 'no side effect' what do you call the high that THC gives you? That is a side effect of the 'medication' just like Crabby said for a good percentage of people Crohns causes other psychological problems and THC only makes this worse, so MM is lost on a good percentage of people and only through research and eventual medication which is discussed in this article will it bring any of those people relief. Nobody is arguing with you I am simply saying I have used MM for 10 years and it is no magical cure, to me it has just as many side effects as other medications that most times prevents me from taking it.

 

[prplkow]

Not quite sure how true this is, but did anyone see this article on a plant with just CBD sans THC?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/israel...marijuana-high/story?id=16706085#.UFdmZ41lTa0

 

[kiny]

The THC content in cannabis depends on the strain, strains like Harlequin are very low in THC and very high in CBD, you don't run around high on them like you do on THC strains. Considering the relative safety and track record of cannabis versus medication used for crohn, cannabis is far safer.

 

[kiny]

Not quite sure how true this is, but did anyone see this article on a plant with just CBD sans THC?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/israel...marijuana-high/story?id=16706085#.UFdmZ41lTa0

http://www.crohnsforum.com/showthread.php?t=38560 was posted a while ago too

 

[prplkow]

Cannatonic as well.... thanks Kiny for posting that other thread.

 

[Jennifer]

The THC content in cannabis depends on the strain, strains like Harlequin are very low in THC and very high in CBD, you don't run around high on them like you do on THC strains.

No, it depends on further research. Low isn't low enough. I'd honestly prefer none.

 

[kiny]

No

Yes, don't correct me, THC / CBD ratio depends on the strain.

 

[Jennifer]

The point is that the current strains aren't good enough kiny. Its not a correction. Its a fact that being low in THC is not good enough. Period.

 

[Thermo]

When looking at effective medicine for different people Crabby is correct what works for one person doesn't work for another, nobody is calling into question cannabis's safety record. Some people may not mind the high feeling while others can't stand any of it. If you are truly taking away the bias of recreational use and looking at it medicinally, the high from THC is a pretty strong side effect that is not desirable for everyday use and going to work. Whereas a chemical produced in the lab from cannabis that is pure CBD stands a higher chance of helping more people out there because it will not adversely effect them and prevent them from being productive. At the end of the day is this not the goal of MM to help more people? Whether it was created in a lab or grown in the ground compounds are compounds and they effect people differently.

Harlequin is still around 5-8% THC which in order to ingest enough CBD to be effective you will still get a high from the THC. The other thing to think about is when THC is ingested it's metabolized by the liver and turned into 11-hydroxy-THC which is thought to be up to 5 times more potent than inhaled THC so for the casual user this is out of the question due to potency, but if it was regulated via a lab you would have a better quantitative amount to give certain people who are sensitive.

 

[Moe.]

Did you know the body automatically creates Cortisol.
Pharmaceutical companies make hydro cortisone. Synthetic. Works short-term
and has too many side effects. I really don't see synthetic THC being any better.

I dont personally get high. But like I said take it at night that way you can work rest and play. Its alot better than the side effect of prednisone.


Ty

 

[Moe.]

Lol well crabby was wrong. And I think all of kinys post are I interesting.
Maybe kiny isn't world smartest person, but they know a ton. And I think they are mostly right.

And btw thermo sorry I missed the question about melamine vs cannabis. I just don't believe there's any research for proof. I've tried it and it works. Go read about rick simpson, sosha banda etc etc. Theyre living proof that hash oil works. Melamine is sh**. I wish it was the end all maintanence pill. But hash oil as you say works and works very well.

 

[KWalker]

Its not the point of whether crabby was right or not but rather kiny went about telling her she's wrong. Its crohnsforum not kinyforum. Let other people give their opinions too.

 

[Jennifer]

I took Kiny's post as responding to what Thermo was saying. Thermo brought up further lab research and I assumed Kiny countered with different strains. All I was saying is that different strains are not good enough and that further research is needed for those who don't like getting high etc. So no Moe. I was not wrong. Kiny misunderstood what I was saying and apparently so did you.

 

[EthanPSU]

Despite all the other stuff, On the topic of people not wanting the "high" feeling and not wanting too just lay at home and do nothing. If you relate it too like Remicade, you're sitting in a chair for 3+ hours pretty much being useless, if you take cannabis, ull be high for like an hour or so.

 

[KWalker]

yes because marijuana has even remotely the same effects as Remicade...

 

[Jennifer]

For me its not that I'll feel useless or anything while I'm high its that it causes me to have a panic attack (I've got a panic disorder) which is not fun at all plus puts extra stress on my heart (I have Premature Ventricular Contractions and Tachycardia).

I want to be clear that just because I can't handle the effects of THC and personally don't like the high doesn't mean that I'm against other people using it either medically or recreationally.

 

[EthanPSU]

yes because marijuana has even remotely the same effects as Remicade...

Taking a drug / being semi-useless for 3 hours / possibly get better from using it.

3 Similarities, wasn't stating anything chemical wise

 

[Thermo]

The reason this research will only bring good things (Even though some many not agree that concentrates are the building blocks to synthetics or that a modern grow operation is about the least 'organic' you will ever find) is because it will at some point give everyone an effective dosage for MM which to date has been missing. Each person is different but what I am saying is that I want to use pure CBD at all times because it is unparalleled to the pain relief and anti-inflammation that I have found, but I cannot stand THC as it produces psychoactive effects on me much like Crabby says. So until further research is done to produce a synthetic compound that I can tolerate to take all day my MM will be limited. I do find that some of the MM 'crowd' really hurts the argument like Kwalker says. A forum is for many people to spread information on a topic and to ask questions but all I really see from the MM crowd is anger towards others who may not fully agree with everything they have to say and synthetic immunosuppressant bashing, which is odd as tolerance is the quintessential movement of MM. Which makes me lean more to the assumption that some are using it more for recreational use,which is fine but don't stand in the way of people who are trying to get all of the facts good and bad of MM for pure medical. You may not agree with the person's ideas but don't stop the persons journey and that goes with all medications.

 

[Moe.]

Hey guys
Here you go
http://dixiex.com/
CBD only cannabis all legal courtesy on ctrlz