Experimental treatment

[D Bergy]

I am about to embark on a new experimental treatment for my Crohn's disease using a Rife type frequency generator and specific frequencies for destroying or disabling E-coli.

I have done this experiment by accident before I knew I had Crohn's disease so a little history is in order:

Based on some good results with other diseases and conditions, I used my frequency generator in September of 2006 to help what my doctor described as Severe Gastritis. I was basically running hundreds of frequencies for many pathogens that could even remotely be connected to my stomach problem. At this time I had no diagnosis but was losing ground fast. All the frequencies I had run had either little or no effect. Streptococcus, did cause a slight sensation but did not improve my condition. In retrospect, it was too late as I already had a stricture but that was not known then.

The frequencies that caused a huge negative reaction were for E-coli. I ran frequencies for both E-coli and Mutant Strain E-coli. Here is a post from a Rife forum in which I described my reaction at the time.

Another point of interest is that when I ran frequencies sets out of the GB-4000 frequency manual for E Coli I was sick as a dog and it felt like it ripped my stomach apart later on. I did this twice because I guess I am dumber than a rock sometimes and I wanted to see if it was a fluke.
It was not a fluke and it proceeded to rip my stomach apart for the second time. I would like to know if anyone else has had this happen with the E Coli frequencies?

The bad effects went away in two days time, both times.

Now, this reaction is unheard of by anyone who use these devices. And there are many users. Keep in mind I did not know I had Crohns at that time.
To my way of thinking this would be an astronomical coincidence that one of the pathogens I was attempting to destroy, that was connected with Crohns, would cause an unheard of reaction in a Crohn's patient who did not know he had the disease at the time. Especially, since I ran hundreds of frequencies for other pathogens with little or no reaction.

I am not sure why it had such a bad effect on me except that I was badly inflamed at the time and some bacteria release toxins when destroyed. I do not know if E-coli is capable of causing this reaction from toxins. Needless to say I have avoided these frequencies just because it had such a nasty effect.

But, now it seems that there is more and more evidence that some E-coli strains are present in increased numbers in IBD and Crohns patients so I am rethinking this whole thing.

http://www.ccfa.org/reuters/ecoli

I am going to try these frequencies again, after I have a healthy person with no stomach problems run these same frequencies to see if they affect a normal person in an adverse way. I need to know this before I proceed.
I am eliminating the possibility that they are just causing a bad reaction with no benefit. A healthy person should have little or no reactions to this treatment since their intestinal tract is not compromised to begin with. Also the band of audio range frequencies I am running are just not capable of affecting human tissue or cells in any way, at least not known to science as it stands today. However, if the E-coli is attached to the tissue as it seems to be with these diseases, it is possible that the destruction of the E-coli could cause the bad effects due to its location. All speculation at this point.
When I have feedback on this piece of information I will begin come hell or high water.

I am not recommending anyone else try this as it is experimental and unproven, and given my last reaction has some risk associated with it. I am posting this as a potentially interesting experiment with a device not approved in the U.S. for treating anything. I am not willing to wait forever for a good treatment or cure, so I am willing to assume some risk for a long shot at getting better.

I will post again with the results, if any, when I have started.

I am not a doctor or health care professional. This is not medical advice.

Thank you.

D Bergy

 

[Brando]

interesting.. let us know how it goes. i know alot of HIV and Lyme Disease patients use RIFE machines and it seems to help some of them quite a bit. maybe it is an alternative that could help some of us too.

 

[Jeff D.]

That seems pretty cool. Best of luck.

 

[Dekar]

wow.. good luck man

 

[D Bergy]

Different way to do the same experiment

I have found an alternative way to test the theory that E-coli is a major factor in IBD illnesses. There is usually more than one way to skin a cat and I think this is a very low risk method that anyone can test for themselves.

Since the results of many mean more than results of a few and I am curious by nature, I think many of you could do this test with very little risk.

The assumptions I am making in this experiment are as follows:

1) E-coli is a major contributor to IBD. This is indicated by several studies, but it still could be wrong.

2) Elimination of E-coli should result in improvement in many but possibly not all people that have IBD.

3) The elimination of E-coli can be achieved by using various methods. You already know my method I am testing, but I have another way of doing the same thing that is more scientifically supported with little or no risk.

4) There are studies that indicate that once E-coli is reduced or eliminated a probiotic will essentially use good bacteria to fill the areas formerly occupied by the bad E-coli. This prevents the re-establishment of E-coli in the intestinal tract. The receptors are full leaving no room for E-coli. Use Google Scholar to look up studies in this area.

In order to test this theory we first need a method of eliminating or greatly reducing the E-coli. I have been researching natural plant extracts that have this effect. While very few studies are done in this area since no big money is involved, there are some available. Here is one you can look at and see the results.

http://tinyurl.com/2vk78u

Balm leaf extract seems to be one of the safest and best for the purpose of eliminating E-coli. It has no known side effects and does not interfere with any medications. There are better ones but they have some risk attached to them. I am risk averse, so I would use the safest one that will work. Do your own research to verify. Notice that Ginger also inhibits E-coli but not to the degree of Balm Leaf. Turmeric does not inhibit E-coli at all. I have been using both of these, but now I will add Balm leaf, but not until I complete my experiment.

http://tinyurl.com/3bxkma

Now that we have a good candidate to kill or reduce E-coli we just need to replace the bad bacteria with good bacteria as we go. Pick a good probiotic and take it as you eliminate the E-coli.

Sounds easy enough. But, that does not mean it will work. That is what we will find out.

In any case I do not see much risk in this approach. It can be done without changing anything you are doing now.

Please add any additional comments, research, or ideas.

D Bergy

 

[DanSJVDavis]

Huh...I guess I shoulda looked up lemon balm in more detail. We're renting a home and there's boatloads of it growing in the yard. Gonna have to give it a shot in some tea. I've eaten a leaf from it a couple times and it wasn't half bad. Also got 2 bushes of catnip.

 

[D Bergy]

You are lucky to have it growing right in your yard. Kind of ironic. Make sure it is in fact the Lemon Balm plant and not a similar looking plant.

Also, I would not use it if you use pesticides or any other toxins for weed control in your yard.

It will likely take a few weeks before any difference is noted as it is not as powerful as an antibiotic.

Let us know if anything or nothing happens.

Someone did test the frequencies I was planning on using with no ill effects so I am going to proceed tonight and see what happens. Hopefully it will work out better than last time.

Good Luck

D Bergy

 

[DanSJVDavis]

Nope, it's definitely lemon balm and I'm pesticide free. I pick a piece and chew it every once in a while. It's got kind of a lemony/mint/chamomile kinda flavor.

 

[D Bergy]

I wonder if I could grow it in Northern Minnesota? We have kind of a severe climate but it would be nice to have a fresh supply for the picking.

I ran the Mutant strain E-coli frequencies last night with no reactions that I could attribute to the frequencies. I checked my notes from before and I mistakenly posted that I had run these before. I in fact, only ran the regular E-coli frequencies and did not run the Mutant strain because of my bad reaction the the regular E-coli frequencies. Does not really matter, but I like to be accurate.

I also have not been taking any Ginger or Turmeric for the past four days in the interest of eliminating any variables in the experiment. This has given me a slight sensation in my intestines that was not there before, but not pain.
My knees hurt a little now, probably due to the anti-inflammatory effect of the Ginger and Turmeric. Actually joint pain was my original reason for taking it in the first place. Long before I knew I had Crohn's. I just tripled my dose for Crohn's. Now, knowing that Turmeric has no effect on E-coli, I will reduce my dose. I will stick with my current dose of Ginger when I start using it again.

Tonight I will run the regular E-coli frequencies and see what happens. Since someone already tested these for me I am not expecting much reaction since my guts are in pretty good shape as far as I can tell. I am still a little nervous about it, but it is worth trying.

Best Regards

D Bergy

 

[Kev]

Hmmm, wonder if lemon balm would grow here? Our winters are actuallly milder than most of the US.. Anyway, I'm at a stage in my disease where experiments are worth considering. I've tried the tried and true methods the doctors asked me to use.. Diet, pills, exercise, supplements, enzymes, probiotics, living like a freakin monk... The way things are going, their next step is imuran, then if that doesn't work, remicade, then surgery (if surgery isn't required sooner that is).. I dislike the idea that my future is solely in the hands of the medicos... and that they are only really guessing what to do. Frinstance, right now, if things don't improve, I head off to the ER in a few days for continious steroid IV infusion.. but I just read a study on the CCFA that it really doesn't work... Guess the docs will continue to use this method until this latest study is accepted/rejected.. Does that really make any sense

I experimented with the ORT method.. and my 'D' issue has quieted down a lot
But, it wasn't a scientific approach, as I'd also upped my dose of prednisone..
So, I want to also stipulate that I'm not a doctor, this isn't medical advice, it only applies to silly ole farts like me who are getting desparate & foolhardy.

Good luck with the E-coli thing.. you'd think there would be anti-biotics that would target just E-coli.. but then, what doctor would chance prescribing it on an experimental basis? If someone went to an ER, complaining of E-coli related food poisoning, I suppose that would be something they would treat.. But IBD? Back to the old tried and true guesswork, regardless of how futile it is in the long run.. Sheeesh, anyone detect a note of disdain in all of that??

 

[D Bergy]

There actually have been experiments using antibiotics for treatment and they did get some positive results. I read them awhile ago and did not save the links. If I find them again I will save them.

The problem is that E-coli is so easy to get that you would be likely be reinfected and continued use of antibiotics would eventually create a resistant strain. Plus you get the side effects of the antibiotics themselves. E-coli does not cause problems in normal people but due to our inherited weakness it apparently does cause us problems. At least that is the thinking behind the studies. Of course there are other suspects also.

Listeria monocytogenes
Yersinia enterocolitica
Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis
Measles virus
Pseudomonas fluorescens
Streptococcus

I think measle Virus has been pretty much ruled out.

I never do risky experiments, although they may seem that way to most people. But, unusual and risky are not the same thing. I also have had them work in the past for other conditions. Once you have this happen it changes your perspective considerably. There also is some evidence to believe they could work. Maybe not perfect evidence, but I do not have perfect evidence for anything else in life and the worst that is likely to happen is it will not work. The reason I try the things I do is because I feel the risk of the medications are too great for the degree of my illness. I certainly would use them if I was curled up in a ball in pain. But, that is not part of my symptoms, yet. I will certainly be first in line at the pharmacy if I cannot control it by gentler safer methods.

I just do not see the harm in trying low risk alternative treatments since the risk of the disease is much higher.

I think the probiotics can help prevent the establishment of E-coli based on the studies out there. But, you have to get rid of, or at least reduce it first.

I am going to order some Lemon Balm and use it as a tea after I am done with my unorthodox frequency experiment. Because my symptoms are so slight I will never really trust that the frequency treatment worked in this case. All I really have to go by is some psoriasis on my leg that showed up after my Crohn's flared up and stool consistency and smelll. Even if that all clears up I would not consider that enough evidence that it works. However, when I get a follow up colonoscopy and if it shows no sign of the disease I will know it was either the frequency treatment, Lemon Balm or both. If it is not better I will have to reconsider the standard treatments. I really hope that does not happen but I am not into self deception.

I have switched to green tea (yuk) already so maybe I will like that Lemon Balm Tea better anyway. It still cannot be as good as coffee.

Glad you got rid of the big D. It is a pain in the ***.

D Bergy

 

[Kev]

Just tossing this in.. it's so hard to keep up, and in knowing/feeling who is right, but the CCFA site also linked to an article that stated MAP has been ruled out as a causitive (sp?) link to Crohns.. johnes, yes, crohns no.. Or so they say...

Shame. It was nice to think that a link, possibly a cure, was 5 - 10 yrs away..

 

[D Bergy]

For now I have personally ruled out MAP, Listeria, and Yersinia but only with very poor evidence.

I am most suspicious about E-coli and Streptococcus as these two bacteria I have reacted to using my machine in the past. That is not rock solid evidence either, but it is all I have at this point.

I also have reacted to Heliobacter Pylori frequencies and eliminated a bad acid reflux problem I was having by running the frequencies once a day for 6 days. Never had it since. So I am kind of suspicious of that also. I do not think I had that until my Crohn's was well under way so it most likely was a condition brought on by the stagnant food that was festering behind my stricture.

The last cure that I am aware of was for Polio. Well not quite, the Aussies figured out The Heliobactor ulcer connection. That helped a lot of people.
It is hard to believe that many diseases are gone now because they found cures 50 years ago. Now they can't seem to find a cure for anything. I do not think anyone is trying too hard.

I still remember president Nixon's "war on Cancer". Cancer won.

D Bergy

 

[D Bergy]

Ran the regular E-coli frequencies last night with no ill effects. I still find it odd that the very same treatment made me so ill when I was badly inflamed, and now it has no effect at all. Just going to monitor my few symptoms and see if anything changes.

I will continue using these for another six days. That usually is long enough for most common bacteria. If it is not doing anything there is no harm done. This will give me some time to get some Lemon Balm and a probiotic of some kind.
I don't know squat about probiotics. Anyone have any ideas or expertise in this area?

D Bergy

 

[Kev]

No expertise here on probiotics... just my own personal experience. And I must caution you that I wouldn't want my experiences to influence you one way or the other. I have tried dosing myself with pro-biotics. I prefer it from yogurt, but since I seem to have a problem with lactosee in even the tiniest amounts (even as filler in capsules & pills) finding a 0 or low level lactose yogurt that I find the least bit palatable has been a problem. Those I have tried I personally wouldn't recommend. But I have consumed it, and taken a lot in capsule form.. (altho how much live bacteria there is in these is pretty dubious).. My results? No big eurekas to announce.. no noteworthy type of improvement to report.. and that is over courses of 8 weeks without a break in order to give them time to accumulate in my system. I did note an increase in gas, but it wasn't associated with pain as per usual, and it did not have... How to put this part politely... yet accurately? Well, that distincticve aroma that I've come to associate with a pending flair or downturn. That, in toto, pretty much describes my experience with store brand yogurt and pharmacy grade pro-biotics in capsules. You might be totally differnet, or may have the resources to acquire specialty forms of the above.. from a nutrition centre or health food store. I've heard on here from some that that is the way to go (or not go, as the case may be). Me? I have limited funds, and couldn't afford it.

 

[D Bergy]

The theory I am operating on is that the probiotic would probably not do any good unless it has a place to roost, so to speak.

The probiotic is merely going occupy space in the intestinal tract that would otherwise be taken over by the E-coli. So it would offer little or no improvement in itself, but would just be a barrier to the E-coli which hopefully will be greatly reduced or eliminated.

I am not lactose intolerant I think yogert would be good enough for me. Super low risk approach for me. I like low risk, if you haven't noticed.

I have heard in the past that unless probiotics are refrigerated they likely are no good. I do not know if that is true or not. Maybe someone else knows more about it?

D Bergy

 

[Brando]

well thre are different types of probiotics and different "delivery methods" that are used to get them to the intestinal tract. some need to be refridgerated and others do not. personally, i saw great results with one that you did not have to refridgerate and i'll let you know which one it is in a sec.

first, lactobacillus acidophilus is one of the main "probiotics" because it is one of the main bacterias that populates your intestines. basically, everyone is born without anything in their tract at all and you pick it up from air or even say your mother when feeding (skin contact). this is why i dont believe misinformation about it dieing before it gets to your intestinal tract because of stomach acid. you had to get it some way anyways.

there have been studies shown that other animals and humans too that were isolated and not allowed to obtain l. acidophilus and other bacterias did not develop healthy intestinal tracts and they did not form correctly. inflammationn was one of the main things that happened. i'll have to look for these studies and post a link.

now for the yogurt vs. supplement argument. in my experience yogurt did about diddlly for me for 2 reasons. lactose intolerance and the fact it has alot of sugar in it. lactose intolerance is common with crohn's because lactase enzyme is produced by your intestinal lineing and if it is inflammed, it will not produce it. therefore, yogurt is on the naughty foods list for me. secondly, bad bacteria like e. coli and strep thrive on sugar. yeast is in that category too but sugar is it's food source. therefore, adding probiotics and sugar together is kinda cancelling each other out.

another reason i think probiotics work so well is l. acidophilus eats other bad bacteria in the tract as a food source. it keep the populations of e. coli and strep, yeast, etc. under control naturally. antibiotics kill everything and allow the bad to repopulate before the good repopulates. i think a study was done and the ratio of good to bad bacteria is like 12 million good to 1 bad or something similar. either way it is alot of good to keep the bad under control.

the probiotic i use is one called Primal Defense by a company called Garden of Life. You can fine it online and order it at vitaminshoppe.com. it literally took my inflammation and pain from 100% to 25% in about a week. hence why i believe so highly of this theory.

 

[D Bergy]

Thanks Brando for all the good information. Makes sense to me, and I do not need any more sugar in my diet.

I have heard of Primal Defense before, but I did not know that it was a probiotic. For some weird reason I was thinking it was a brand of Carnivora.

D Bergy

 

[DanSJVDavis]

Thought of trying the Garden of Life stuff, but it's far too expensive for our meager budget.

 

[Kev]

Refrigerate.. even the capsules. The optimum recommended storage temp is usually found on the bottle.. Of course, really applies to yogurt. I found that I had to triple the usual daily dose of capsules (generic, no name pharmacy ones)
to see ANY real effects (and again, no overnite eurekas).. Everything I've read told me (and there must be some truth to it.. the yogurt advertisements refer to a min 2 week trial) that I shouldn't write off yogurt w/o giving it at least 28 days to work.. and I even doubled that.. Maybe you do get what you pay for.. If someone on here has seen great results in 7 days from one of the premium formulas... then perhaps I need to re-think my take on this.. after all, if one looks at the cost of buying 3 times the dose for 8 weeks w/o a fanfare result Vs spectacular results after only 7 days.. maybe the cost is worth the results.. or maybe one can trim/recoup the costs elsewhere, like specialty foods, or reduced meds.. damned illness, soooo expensive...

 

[Brando]

honestly, if the probiotics work, i would rather spend $100 on those than thousands on remicade, MTX, pentasa, 6mp, etc. that also does a number on your liver and gives you aenemia.

also, i've tried a variety of probiotics and the most effective by a LONG shot is Primal Defense. Of course we are all different and there is no telling what will happen from one person to the next and no i'm not a garden of life representative

 

[D Bergy]

I guess you can get plain yogurt and that would be better for you than the sugary kind. I do not know if I could get it down as I am not wild about yogurt to begin with. I will try the Primal Defense for now.

That Lemon Balm tea is not too cheap either. I am going to order some but I am also going to try grow my own. I hope a local green house can get me some. I also have read where Lemon Balm is also antiviral. That can't hurt anything. I do not think there is such a thing as a useful virus.

I ran both sets of my frequencies last night and noticed a slight dull pain on the right side of my lower abdomen when the second group of five groups were running. That sounds confusing. I am running five groups of frequencies, each group consists of eight frequencies running at the same time. This just makes it faster than running them individually.

Anyway, I had this same dull pain at the same point the first time I ran them also. I thought it was just the big Mexican dinner I had ate causing it, so i wrote it off as nothing. But, when I had it a second time during the second group again I could not blame the Mexican food this time. Although I did eat two big cheeseburgers off of the grill. I wish I knew exactly where my patch of inflammation was located now.

I do not know if it means anything, but I am hoping that it means it is killing E-coli. I would expect this slight reaction to get less and less if it is a bacteria die off. If it is just irritating my intestines, it should stay the same or get worse
.
Not much to go off of but maybe more clues will come to light.

D Bergy

 

[Dekar]

I've been taking about 2 shots worth of acidopholus (sp?) and l casei a day, and it has had NOTICABLE positive effects on me instantly. it's quite amazing. seems like us crohnies are lacking in the probiotics department, at least for me, try it out. yogurt has milk which isnt really appealing to me anymore, but now that i just have the cultures to drink a day i've been in heaven

 

[D Bergy]

How long have you been using your remedy Dekar? I am curious as to how much you have improved over time.

Thank you.

D Bergy

 

[Mazen]

Hi Dekar. What brands of probiotics are you using? I tried a few , but they seemed to make me worse not better !!!!

I can handle yoghurt. I try to eat plain ones with no sugar, but I don't know if they are helping. I read in some books (SCD book and Maker's diet) that in order to have a good yoghurt for IBD, you need to do it at home and culture it for 30 hours. But I'm a bad cook, and I can never do that Has anybody tried this homemade yoghurt . Also is there a difference between cow milk yoghurt and goat's milk one????

 

[Mazen]

By the way, I tried Activia, and probiotics from GNC and Purtan pride. And both made me have lots of gas and feel bad....

 

[Brando]

gas is not uncommon when you first start taking probiotics. it is actively changing your intestinal flora and gas is the byproduct. i would say stick with it a couple weeks and see if it gets better. check with your doctor though especially if you are on immuno drugs.

 

[Cara Fusinato]

Now for me to chime in. I just had a fascinating discussion with a holistic doctor. I use the Mangosteen juice (xango brand to be exact), and am now adding in Acai juice for a little extra kick, AND the probiotics called GeneFlora. It's $45 for 90 days worth which isn't so pricey at all. I have some activa and am eating that too. We decided that if I can manage it without "drugs" I should do that as long as possible. So far, so good. No flare-ups in a year just on those alone.

 

[D Bergy]

I am glad you are getting such good results Cara. I like your approach because nothing you are doing is harmful in any way. It gives me hope to know it can be done this way. Thank you for your comments.

How would you compare your health before you started your treatments, to now?

D Bergy

 

[Cara Fusinato]

To answer, D Bergy, I had NO symptoms until BAM a year ago April. I was diagnosed and in an 8 week flare with Pentasa & Entocort. Couldn't eat a single solid thing. Flare stopped and started up two weeks later. After two weeks of it, I discovered Mangosteen. Within 3 weeks, I was off the meds and have been stable ever since. I have had a couple instances where I have come close to going into a flare, mostly through careless eating, but it backs down and I am fine. Recently, I have felt fatigued and yucky. Discovered it was a NASTY feminine bacterial infection. 10 days of Flagyl and I couldn't stand the side effects anymore. So, now I brought in the probiotics to repopulate myself. This holistic doctor gave me some good insights for myself AND my pets. I am taking the GeneFlora (www.cycles-of-life.com) and really like it because it is not acidophilus. It's something else. Activa gives me some acidophilus. I would LOVE to use VSL#3, but I can't do $75 just for that. The doctor spoke so highly of acai juice, that I thought it good to add it in (the brand is www.caoh.com) -- though I hear the Vitamin Shoppe has some that may be just as good for less $$, though this is $22 a month. So, 1 shot glass of mangosteen, 1 of acai, and 1 AM and 1 PM of probiotic capsules (grand total about $80 a month). I feel totally great! I can eat anything (I even ate a fruit salad including the oh, so fibrous jicama AND some cooked nopales (prickly pear). NO PAIN! I only hit the r.r. maybe 2-3 times a day. To answer your question in a nutshell (and I can eat nuts too!), my health is so much better overall while taking these alternatives and the Crohn's seems stable. Gonna ride this wagon til the wheels fall off!

 

[Dekar]

been using them every day for a month, and there is most definetely a postive effect. im at a friends house right now but ill check tommorow the exact brand name. it's a clinically proven formula of l acidophilus and l casei in one shot. they're quite expensive though. 5$ for a very small bottle (couple tablespoons), but hey, the money's worth my relief.

 

[D Bergy]

I agree totally with your thinking Cara, if it works, stick with it. Especially since it is such a healthy way to prevent symptoms. And it may even be healing you with any luck. Conversely, if something is not working I do not see much point in sticking with it either. Insanity, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I have abandoned my frequency experiment for now. I ran the last one in a very direct method with contacts on both sides of my abdomen. Previously I used an indirect method running through my hands and feet.

I had no dull pain in the lower right abdomen like the last two times but did have some sensation where my resection was done. This sensation stuck around on and off for about 24 hours. Not really pain but I may have irritated the region either because it did something positive such as kill E-coli or it just irritated the area without any benefit. I cannot tell either way so I will play it safe and quit for now. Unless I see some other sign of improvement I am not going to run these frequencies again. It should not take to long to tell either way , but I do not have many symptoms to go on.

I will go to plan B now, so I will start using the Lemon Balm tea I ordered to hopefully take care of the E-coli and will also resume my Ginger, Turmeric daily doses, with a reduced amount of Turmeric.

I also have a really smart on line freind doing research into various theories and research on Crohn's. He has already found things I had missed.

It is hard to process all the information out there and come up with a comprehensive hypothesis on this disease, but I learn more all of the time.

Well, I have to order some probiotic now so have a good day everyone.


D Bergy

 

[D Bergy]

I got my Lemon Balm tea the other day. It tastes similar to Green Tea but slightly better. I was really hoping it wasn't pukey tasting, so i am happy about that. I am planning on drinking several cups a day so taste is important.

The active ingredients vary so much in plants, all I can do is hope the tea will contain enough essential oils to do some good. But, since the downside is that it will do nothing there is not much at stake.

Nothing new happening. My guts are pretty stable in spite of my overloading them occasionally. Had two steaks for supper. Maybe one would have done the job but ever since I couldn't eat, I pig out like it is my last meal.

Still waiting for my primal defense to arrive. That will be the last thing I need to complete the raw materials needed for this experiment.

Best Regards

D Bergy

 

[Dekar]

oh by the way its called "Bio-K"

 

[D Bergy]

Where do you get the name Bio-K? Just got my bottle and it just says Primal Defense Ultra and has no Bio-K on it anywhere. Do we have two different types? Maybe it is sold under different names?

D Bergy

 

[Dekar]

different brand name, may be the same thing though

 

[Heathcroft]

Not sure if you can get this in the US, (or the Lebanon come to that ,Mazen!) but here we can get soy 'yoghurt' with probiotic which I like a lot and its good for you anyway. Full of calcium and Vitamin D, so the bugs are a bonus.

I'm lactose intolerant and use soy milk, spread and so on and I've got to really like it, I'm going to see my Doctor tomorrow for the weekly blood test so will ask him what he thinks of Primal Defense (Though I think I know what he'll say "never heard of it- but give it a go" )

And D Bergy - you are either nuts or a hero plugging yourself into that machine at the same destructive frequency TWICE! Hope you don't implode!
Give that man a medal.

 

[D Bergy]

I have used the machine for other illnesses and occasionally it will work extremely well. Other times it will do nothing.

The E-coli frequency is the only negative effect I have ever had. Still not sure why.

I may be nuts, but I am certainly not a hero. When it works it is great way to remove a pathogen without any side effects, except for the E-coli one.

Here is some video of a guy who demonstrates the principle of the thing.
Really not as scary as it seems.

http://www.skidmore.edu/academics/music/aholland/PlasmaTwo.htm

D Bergy