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Hello all,

Well first let me say, I am not a doctor, nurse or in the medical field in anyway. I am new to IBD symptoms (last 6 months) and am waiting to see a GI Specialist next week, so at this point I have no answers but have done a lot of research. (This site has been incredibly helpful!!!) I ran across some information that I think may be helpful to some and def interesting to most women! Below is some info I found online, it is a bit long but well worth reading...maybe just maybe it will help someone!

Best wishes to all
: )


Intestinal Endometriosis​

By David B. Redwine, MD


Most patients with endometriosis do not have intestinal (GI) involvement. Among the difficult cases of endometriosis I see from around the world, only 27% have GI involvement. Since over 1900 patients with endometriosis have undergone surgery at St. Charles, that means I’ve operated on over 500 patients with GI involvement.


The symptoms of GI involvement depend on the severity and location of the disease. The severity of disease depends on the depth of invasion into the bowel wall.


When endometriosis invades the bowel wall deeply, it causes a lot of scarring and retraction and can form a tumor which partially obstructs the bowel wall. When disease is very superficial, it usually causes no symptoms at all. There is a long continuum of disease severity from very superficial to very bulky and invasive, and some patients can have both superficial disease in one area of the bowel, and bulky invasive disease in another.


The location of GI endometriosis follows well-defined patterns. The lower rectosigmoid colon is most commonly involved, followed by the last part of the ileum (the small intestine), the cecum (the first part of the large bowel), and the appendix (which hangs off of the cecum). Thirty percent of patients have more than one GI area involved. Superficial disease in any of these areas usually causes no symptoms, but bulky, deeply invasive disease can cause real problems.

When the rectum is involved by endometriosis, it frequently scars forward to the back of the uterus, causing what is known as obliteration of the cul de sac. This indicates the presence of deeply invasive disease in the uterosacral ligaments, the cul de sac, and usually the front wall of the rectum itself with what is called a rectal nodule. The disease can occasionally invade the rear wall of the vagina as well.


Interestingly, although you might think vaginal endometriosis would be obvious on speculum exam in the office, it is usually missed because most physicians don’t think to look just behind the cervix; they are more intent on seeing the cervix so they can do a PAP smear. Frequently the doctor may be able to feel nodularity behind the cervix on exam, and this area can be very painful.


A rectal nodule with obliteration of the cul de sac can cause painful bowel movements all month long, rectal pain during intercourse or while sitting, and rectal pain with passing gas. It can also cause constipation, although diarrhea can be present during the menstrual flow. When the sigmoid colon is involved by bulky disease, patients can have constipation alternating with diarrhea and intestinal bloating and cramping. Bulky endometriosis invading the ileum can result in right lower quadrant pain, bloating, and intestinal cramping. Disease of the cecum and appendix usually causes no specific symptoms at all. Most patients with GI endometriosis do not have rectal bleeding, although when rectal bleeding and painful symptoms occur during the menstrual flow, this raises suspicion for GI involvement.


GI x-rays and colonoscopy are rarely useful in diagnosing GI endometriosis because the disease usually doesn’t penetrate all the way through the bowel, but remains in the muscular wall of the bowel. Most patients will have negative GI workups, and GI endometriosis requires surgery for its diagnosis. Laparoscopy is adequate for diagnosing GI disease provided that the surgeon takes the effort to look at the areas which can be involved and also knows what GI disease can look like (it’s most commonly white because of scarring surrounding the disease). Most gynecologists do not look at the intestines very closely, so many laparoscopies are useless for ruling out GI disease.
 
More info-


Gastrointestinal Endometriosis
(rectosigmoid colon, rectovaginal septum, small bowel, rectum, large bowel, appendix, gallbladder, intestinal tract)


The bowel symptoms of endometriosis are often overlooked or dismissed because many people think endometriosis affects only the reproductive organs. Many bowel symptoms are caused by irritation to the bowel from endometrial implants lying on adjacent areas such as the Pouch of Douglas and the back of the uterus, but some are due to endometrial deposits lying on the outside of the bowel wall.


The gastrointestinal disorder which is most common with Endometriosis is Irritable Bowel Syndrome which can cause many of the bowel symptoms mentioned above. Candida has also been found to be prevalent in women with Endometriosis, and this too can cause many distressing digestive upsets and discomfort.



The main gastrointestinal symptoms of Endometriosis are:
•Nausea
•Diarrhoea
•Blood in stool
•Bloating
•Vomiting
•Rectal pain
•Rectal bleeding
•Tailbone pain
•Abdominal cramping
•Constipation
•Sharp gas pains
•Painful bowel movements
 
Thanks for this. I am having surgery for this on the 5th. It is common for women to have both as they are both autoimmune diseases. OBGYN's are also qualified to do resections...which I didn't realize.
One thing that this doesn't state is that it is rare for thickening of the bowel wall with endometriosis. With Crohn's it is very common. One major distinction.
 
Thanks Keona for the info I found this really interesting, sorry to hear about your upcoming surgery, what will they be doing/removing? Hope you have a speedy recovery and you feel 100 times better ; )
 
That is such a great site, thanks so much for sharing. I am going to copy and take it in with me when I see my doc..every bit of info can help! Thinking about it now the 3 occasions where I had bloody diarrhea and a possible "flare" was around/on my cycle, but its just confusing, the 1st only lasted a couple days, the 2nd was about a week and this time I had problems for 4 weeks. My periods are not regular either, every 6-10 weeks, so its hard to remember for sure when the 1st two were, but this last one (4 weeks) started right before my period...possibly related?! I see he GI specialist in a week and am pretty sure I can get into the geno's office within the next week or so...so hopefully soon I will get some answers!
Anywho thanks for the info, best wishes on your surgery...hoping you feel much better soon!
 
Np... before you go..you might want to read this as well.
I think I have both and this article I found to be really helpful...especially the part about asking the OBGYN if they have experience with endo on the bowel. If not, they suggest you find one who does so that if there is, they wont set another date for surgery..they will do everything right there and then.
http://www.centerforendo.com/articles/bowel.htm
anyhow, I have tons of info...but I will stop here so not to overwhelm you :D
It is good to know that this is not all in my head...thats all I can say and I sometimes get really angry because I have been complaining about it for over 10 years (had my first laparoscopy about 20 years ago... he prescribed pregnancy...
anyhow
thanks for the well wishes.. I am hopeful and am getting closer and closer to the answers...I can feel it. I wish I knew how to post these links to the wiki section on endometriosis..
take care. :)
 
Good luck on your surgery tomorrow, Keona. please keep us posted. And thanks for sharing this interesting information with us. I have always been convinced that there is a link between my Crohn's issues and my girlie issues. May be more probable than I thought.
 
Hi Cookie
Thank-you so much. I think everything should go smoothly and I have high hopes for this surgery.. expecting a lot of relief from pain :D and then I can move on to treatment with my G.I doctor. These articles make a lot of sense to me.
 
Peace - Thank you for this very excellent information. Something all women should at least know about if they have a GI disorder and all their girl bits still intact.

Keona - Good luck tomorrow! Do you have your own surgery thread so we can check on you? <runs off to look> Keep us posted!

- Amy
 
Thanks Amy
I was using "folds" - I suppose I could change it to "surgery"

Im now getting a little nervous but it will be good.... hopefully less pain :)
 
If this doesn't show on colonoscopy, how do they diagnose? Would it show on MRI??
Just my docs have run out of options . . . . wonder if this kind of investigation might be the way forward next??
 
the only way to diagnose endometriosis 100% is through a diagnostic laporoscopy. They can remove the endos and cysts which cause the glue like substance that did what Joan talked about... but then it is considered major surgery and the recovery is a lot longer. Diagnostic is minor (I remember being sore for 2 or 3 days).

...and just because you have them removed doesn't mean they wont return and likely will... (similar to Crohn's that way).

I agree with Joan - I think there is a correlation other than both being a faulty immune response. I read it has to do something with insulin as well...
 
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That's correct Wendy, I had a lap and it is major surgery. I meant to say that my cyst was found via ultra sound scan. But then I had it opened up good and proper not long after the lap and opted to have a total hysterectomy, be done with it once and for all, in the hope it wouldn't ever come back.
Not to be I'm afraid, whatever the gynae did, he did, but he wouldn't have seen the Crohn's. Cos he wasn't looking for it!
That was only found 3 years later with a colonoscopy.
 
Ya, I asked my gynae if she could tell if I have crohn's and she said no because it is not her expertise. I was hoping to get both issues figured out at the same time... BUT she can do a biopsy for crohn's at the same time if your GI sends the requisition. now i just sit and wait.
I am glad yours hasnt returned Joan.. If it is in your intestines, a TH wont help that much... I have also been reading menopause doesnt stop it in all cases either...
i hope yours stays away :)
 

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