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My DR has just started me on Pentasa. He wants me to also continue the Entocort. Anything I need to know about this regimen?

I've read up on side effects of Pentasa, but haven't seen too much about both of them together.
 
I haven't had any problem with Penatasa. Only thing I can really think of is that I had a hard time at first downing the pills. For awhile it was easier getting them down with ice cream or milk shakes. Now that my throat is used to them, sometimes it just takes a little more liquid when I take them...
 
I was quite surprised by the size of the capsules. Those things are huge! Haven't had trouble swallowing them though.
 
I notice you have Lialda listed in your signature. Are you on Pentasa AND Lialda or are they switching you to Pentasa from Lialda?

How long have you been on the Entocort?
 
Sorry about that. Signature hasn't been updated in some time. I've been off of the Lialda for about a year. I was on the Entocort for about 11 months the past year and a half and have been off of it since November. I had to,start back up on the Entocort in January and now also taking the pentasa.

Current Meds are:
Dexilant 60mg. 1x a day
Entocort 9mg. 1 x a day
Pentasa 1g. 4 x a day
Tramadol 50 mg as needed
Lortab 10/500 when pain is too much for tramadol.
 
Sawyer, I'm a little concerned that the Entocort and Pentasa isn't going to be enough. Entocort? It's ok. I'm guessing your doctor tries to use Entocort to knock down the inflammation and put you in clinical remission. Then he's trying to utilize the Pentasa to keep you there. It's an extremely conservative approach and frankly, not one I'm a fan of. I say that because the data on Mesalamine (the active ingredient in Pentasa) in Crohn's disease is just plain not very good. There's a Cochrane review of it here you can read that showcases as much.

In my opinion, with your current treatment regimen, you're going to continue through cycles of symptoms and less symptoms because your inflammation never really goes away. Over time, that chronic inflammation will lead to scarring of your intestines and strictures. And that's when the real trouble begins :( Based upon the pain meds you're on, I'm guessing you're already heading in that direction and that needs to be reversed pronto.

I personally would bring up the idea of utilizing some of the stronger medications with your doctor. In addition, I would look to throw the entire sink at your Crohn's. Some ideas:

- Western Medicine - A stronger treatment regimen than you're currently on.
- Dietary changes - Improve your n3-n6 fatty acid ratio, Enteral/elemental nutrition, [wiki]paleo diet[/wiki], or [wiki]specific carbohydrate diet[/wiki]. Juicing is also growing on me a lot and we now have a juicing subforum located here.
- Hydration - Dehydration and loss of electrolytes is common. Proper hydration and adding electrolytes back in can help you a lot.
- Alternative treatments - I'm a big fan of Low Dose Naltrexone. Two studies in adults and one in children have had great results (see the stuck thread when following that link) and there are very few side effects. It's also not very expensive. Medical marijuana has been shown to help a lot as well if that's something you're comfortable with and is legally available in your area.
- Stress reduction. Do whatever it takes to reduce your stress levels. In addition, a weekly or even monthly massage if funds are tight is great. Studies have actually shown that massage can reduce inflammation. Give yourself self-massages as often as possible in between the professional ones.
- Exercise if you're able - a gentle yoga is a good one :)
- Vitamins and minerals - find out which you're deficient in and properly supplement. People with Crohn's disease are commonly deficient in vitamin B12, vitamin D, and magnesium as well as a host of others. But those three first ones should definitely be checked. Do not blindly supplement vitamin D and B12, treat these as medications and get your levels tested first. Although the blood test for magnesium is pretty useless and I strongly suggest you eat foods high in magnesium or discuss supplementation of it with your doctor.
- Supplements - there are a variety that help improve overall health. Check our our diet/fitness/supplements forum for ideas. I'm personally a big fan of tumeric (curcumin) and strongly suggest utilizing it if your doctor is ok with it.
- Alternative medicine - This could be stuff like acupuncture, including a naturopath in your treatment team, etc.

Bring your doctor in on the conversation for all of this. Get their input and let them help supervise your disease state. Some doctors might need a little push on some of this stuff, but we can provide studies that showcase the efficacy of all the above.

All my best to you.
 
Our son was not successful with Pentasa. We were not able to maintain remission after Prednisone did what is was supposed to do. Our first Pediatric GI was very conservative with his approach as well. We have since switched to a second Pediatric GI who is starting our son on MTX and then Remicade if necessary. Our new GI believes that Pentasa works on ~10% of Crohn's patients. If it does work for you great since it does have very few side effects.
 
David, thanks for the abundance of info!!! Sorry to leave it hanging for so long. I've been researching what you've posted little by little. I used to smoke pot, but that was many years ago. Unfortunately I live in a state that has some of the harshest marijuana laws.

My doctor is actually supposed to be THE best in the area. I've been happy with my experiences with him. I am a little reluctant to start forcing his hand on treatment, but will if need be. I'm going to give Pentasa a couple of months to see how it works. I have been on what I call a semi low res/easy digestible diet for some time now and will continue as needed.

I'm actually considering starting to raise meat rabbits since that is supposedly the most digestible meat there is and I can't get my hands on any more deer meat until next hunting season.

Regarding the vitamins: I have orders for all of those tests at my next dr. visit.

I have also been juicing some, but that gets expensive quickly!

I will continue to research your list of suggestions and implement what I can.

Thank you again for your great detailed response!!!
 
You're welcome :) When you get the results of the vitamin/mineral testing, please get the actual numbers and post the results here if you're comfortable doing so. "Normal" isn't always normal :)
 
Regarding David's comments about the data on Pentasa in Crohn's disease not being that good - is that generally accepted, or still controversial? I've heard so many conflicting opinions on Pentasa, both online and directly from doctors.

I have what a few different doctors have described as a patchy, widespread (i.e., duodenum all the way to rectum), but very mild case of Crohn's. Since starting Pentasa, my three biggest symptoms (mild abdominal discomfort, endless, voluminous, foul-smelling gas, and general malaise) have all improved significantly. I've also been making some subtle diet changes away from known or suspected triggers, so it's of course hard to fully separate the two effects, and it's also hard to evaluate how large of a placebo effect the Pentasa is giving me.

I'm very torn on whether it's worth continuing Pentasa - even with my insurance, the pills are very expensive every month, but I don't want to mess with something that has made a noticeable change.
 
Regarding David's comments about the data on Pentasa in Crohn's disease not being that good - is that generally accepted, or still controversial? I've heard so many conflicting opinions on Pentasa, both online and directly from doctors.

From the many studies I have read, it still is somewhat controversial, but itis very clear that Pentasa only really helps a small number of patients remain in remission. Only being treated with Pentasa in my first 4 years from diagnosis led to me requiring surgery. It just didn't help at all.


I have what a few different doctors have described as a patchy, widespread (i.e., duodenum all the way to rectum), but very mild case of Crohn's. Since starting Pentasa, my three biggest symptoms (mild abdominal discomfort, endless, voluminous, foul-smelling gas, and general malaise) have all improved significantly. I've also been making some subtle diet changes away from known or suspected triggers, so it's of course hard to fully separate the two effects, and it's also hard to evaluate how large of a placebo effect the Pentasa is giving me.
Pentasa could be the reason you feel better or there are other factors at work. Still, you need to take into account that you might still have a latent inflammation despite not feeling that bad. And that definitely wil get you into trouble at some point. Are you doing regular blood checks to see what your inflammation level is?

I'm very torn on whether it's worth continuing Pentasa - even with my insurance, the pills are very expensive every month, but I don't want to mess with something that has made a noticeable change.

True, if you are doing better, then don't change things. If your symptoms don't go away (complete remission) I would however suggest to you a more effective long term treatment like aza.
 
It's been a little over a month now on Pentasa. I am seeing improvement. My pain has been letting up. I went last week for an MRI and MR Enterography.

My blood work and the scans show no present inflammation, but David, you had it spot on. There is "subtle thickening" of my intestinal wall in my terminal ileum.

For now, I'll continue on the Entocort and Pentasa and see where this goes in the next couple of months.
 
I was put on 2g / day pentasa after starting my latest flare. Takes about 10-14 days to start working, I found.

Had some vicious headaches that I can only put down to a side-effect of the drug. The pain in my head is not like a 'normal' headache and almost like a burning sensation. Luckily, they do respond to pain relief.

After it kicked it, I have had about 4 weeks of improvement: Only 1 or 2 BMs a day and no D with reduced pain (not totally gone).

Now though, after about 6 weeks of starting the dosing, I am going downhill again. Lots of D and some nasty pain - often at night. Seems like the Pentasa's influence is beginning to wear off :(

I have been on Mesalamine (800mg) before, with little success. So not surprised the increased dosage has failed to knock it into remission. I can see why many people are sceptical about its effectiveness.
 
I was put on 2g / day pentasa after starting my latest flare. Takes about 10-14 days to start working, I found.

Had some vicious headaches that I can only put down to a side-effect of the drug. The pain in my head is not like a 'normal' headache and almost like a burning sensation. Luckily, they do respond to pain relief.

After it kicked it, I have had about 4 weeks of improvement: Only 1 or 2 BMs a day and no D with reduced pain (not totally gone).

Now though, after about 6 weeks of starting the dosing, I am going downhill again. Lots of D and some nasty pain - often at night. Seems like the Pentasa's influence is beginning to wear off :(

I have been on Mesalamine (800mg) before, with little success. So not surprised the increased dosage has failed to knock it into remission. I can see why many people are sceptical about its effectiveness.


I'm having the same issue. It's been about 6 weeks and all of a sudden I'm throwing up again, stomach pain, D, headaches, bad gas etc . Eh
 
I'm having the same issue. It's been about 6 weeks and all of a sudden I'm throwing up again, stomach pain, D, headaches, bad gas etc . Eh

From my experience (4 years on 5-Aza after being diagnosed), that is less of an "5-Aza is wearing off" effect and more a "5-Aza just doesn't work" effect.
 

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