Multiple Vaccinations and Autoimmune disease

[Mazen]

I always wondered the effect of vaccinations has on Crohn's, as I developed Crohn's about a month after receiving multiple vaccainations simultaneously when I started a new work and was supposed to travel to many third world countries.

The below link discusses this and the rise in vaccinations for children in the last years, and how it may affect their health:

http://www.thenhf.com/vaccinations_77.htm


Dr. Russell Blaylock, a prominent neurosurgeon in the United States is one of the first to warn against the dangers of too many vaccines given simultaneously. He says, “Vaccine complications increase dramatically when given close together. To give the immune system time to settle down, vaccines should be separated by six months in children and perhaps longer in adults.” He continues, “The number of vaccinations that can be given safely in a lifetime is not unlimited. Many of these vaccinations need to be abandoned.”


Receiving multiple vaccines in a short period of time can cause
immune suppression, and such individuals may be at much higher risk
for opportunistic infections than a similar un-immunized population.
Dr. Garth Nicolson & Dr. Nancy Nicolson

And that’s exactly what other studies tend to suggest. The tolerability of multiple vaccinations in travel medicine, for example, indicates that the above reasoning is correct. Dr. Borner, Muhlberger, and Jelinek at the Department of Infectious Diseases and Tropical Medicine at the University of Munich, Germany, in a study of 1,183 healthy travelers, found that in travelers with double vaccinations, side effects occurred in 36.7% of vaccinees, triple vaccinations in 40.3%, in more than three vaccinations, 50.0%.[xviii] These researchers reported that, “Results showed an increase of the overall frequency of side effects with an increasing number of simultaneously applied vaccines.”

 

[saidinstouch]

Interesting find. I'll have to read through the link, but for once it seems someone is willing to look at both sides of the vaccine picture. They are a necessary, but potentially detrimental evil that we have to live with. It just sucks when one of the potential unknowns from them strike (this is assuming the problem is vaccine related, and I'm sure in many cases is). More research into the effects of vaccines is needed, the biggest problem is you can't really do the necessary studies in the most vulnerable population...newborns and infants. It would be interesting to run a 10 or 20 year study on newborns where you have different vaccine regimens (i.e. spread out or closer together). You'ld have to let the parent decide which course I think, but you could probably make it into a very interesting study to see which group is healthier, has better titers of the antibodies in their blood, and all sorts of other nifty stuff.

 

[katiesue1506]

I started having symptoms after a meningitis and tetanus vaccine... I think that was my "trigger". My ever so smart doctor I recently switched to let me know that my Crohn's has NOTHING to do with the vaccine... well what the hell does he know?!

 

[saidinstouch]

Well it is possible it has nothing to do with it in the sense that you were a timebomb waiting to go off anyway. As you put it though it could very well have been the trigger that activated it anyway. We'll have the answer one day, but it is possible he can be right in the sense the vaccine didn't give you crohns while you're right that the vaccine activated it. He's just wrong in trying to be so absolute!

 

[Colt]

There's no illness, autoimmune or otherwise, that only happens in vaccinated people. Nor is there an increased likelihood of any illness (or onset of illness) due to vaccinations (with the exception of allergic reactions of course). Side effects are simply that. The vaccine would not work without the side-effects as those side-effects are the reaction that causes an immunity and they do not persist long-term.

Having stronger side-effects does not equate to contracting a chronic illness, and increased side-effects when taking multiple vaccines at once is akin to getting even more tired when you take 2 types of sleeping pill. If you took the vaccines separately that simply means you would spend a greater amount of time with less strong side-effects.

 

[saidinstouch]

That isn't 100% correct colt about it being an additive effect with vaccines. The whole goal is to trigger an immune response. The adjuvants added to the vaccines are specifically designed to give a strong response, but the mechanisms are poorly understood from what I've been told. So whether it is possible for a vaccine to trigger an autoimmune disorder really isn't well known. The fact is vaccine science really is only partially understood.

You are correct that it is fairly unlikely in most of the population that a vaccine will cause a problem or disease, but it would be naive to think that some people won't be affected negatively by a vaccine either. We just have no way to predict a priori who it will be. Even knowing that some people may or may not be affected negatively doesn't mean we should stop vaccinating by any means, I would rather the small (or non-existant) risk of triggering a disease, than deal with the pandemics of the past.

The way I look at a possible connection is essentially you prime your immune system and tell it to take off and learn to fight a disease. At the same time, other factors in the body are tipping the scale to head toward crohns disease. The vaccine is just the last straw essentially and without the vaccine the onset could have been delay a month, a year, ten years, or not at all. We don't know, but it isn't unbelievable that a vaccine could be a triggering event anymore than a wave of antibiotic induced colitis could be a triggering event.

 

[katiesue1506]

Nor is there an increased likelihood of any illness (or onset of illness) due to vaccinations (with the exception of allergic reactions of course).

Actually there is. There is an increased likelihood of guillain-barre syndrome with the administration of the Meningococcal meningitis vaccine.

 

[D Bergy]

I know of a couple of vaccination debacles off the top of my head. One was the introduction of the Simian virus 40 into humans via monkey kidney serum in polio vaccines.

It causes Cancer in animals but whether it does in humans is not conclusive. Either way it most likely is not beneficial to have Monkey Viruses in humans.

An acquaintance of mine had the LymeRix Lyme Disease inoculation. Shortly after he developed aggressive Cancer at the site of injection which spread quickly and killed him. He was in his early twenties. It could be one huge mathematically improbable coincidence, but I doubt it.

The vaccine was pulled off the market by the manufacturer but anyone who thinks these are tested thoroughly for long term safety and side effects is mistaken. There is virtually no testing for any long term side effects. It can be correctly claimed that there is no evidence that vaccinations are involved in the onset of most any disease, because no one has done the proper required studies. It is not correct to claim that it does not cause the onset of any disease for the same reason. It is basically unknown.

I almost forgot about the 72 kilos of live bird flu virus, classified as a bio weapon that a Baxter lab in Austria sent to the Czech republic by accident. Not too many people even know about that. If they would not have tested it on Ferrets, that died, it would likely be in a flu vaccine. An Austrian reporter, Jane Burgermeister. has filed a lawsuit against the WHO, UN and others over the incident. She says it was intentional. It is hard to believe that security is so lax that it could happen by accident, but who knows. Apparently, it is possible to get a completely different vaccination from a lab then the one intended.

Dan