Only flare up once every 2-4 years, should I medicate?

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Hi, I am a new member here. I've been given a "working" diagnosis of Crohns over the years, but have yet to have any test results come back positive for it....However, my docs have seen swelling in the ileum, upon various testing, consistent with crohns.

Typically, I go years feeling completely normal. My last bout, prior to my most recent (in November) was 4 years ago.... I'm curious if this is normal timing for a patient with Crohns. From what I've heard/read, it seems that most people deal with flare-ups on/off more often than that. In fact, WAY more often than that. Which is why I am hesitant to go on long-term medication for something that I may not even have.

Some of my symptoms are the same as someone with Crohns when I'm having them, bloating and tenderness in the abdomen. But, I also, completely lose my appetite. I cannot eat/drink anything for days on end. So, I'm not going to the toilet at all, either. Which is typically the most predominant symptom as far as I'm aware (constant bm's). When I'm not ill, my bm's are pretty much normal for years at a time....Which is also atypical for Crohns, isn't it? Prior to the bloating and tenderness (and throughout the flare-up) I experience excrutiating pain in my upper abdomen. (Just below the sternum). My docs keep telling me I'm feeling the pain there, but it's probably stemming from the ileum...???

In years past, I've never needed any meds to get better...But the last two times, I've been ill, I did take prednisone to get better because the flare-ups have lasted longer and longer....My gi doc wants me to begin taking Imuran once my prednisone gets tapered to 10mg's, which is right about now, to keep me in remission. I've been weaning of from the 40mgs that I began taking in November due to this most recent flare-up.

My question is, aren't there other, less potent meds I could try first? I'm concerned about side effects, etc....Especially given the rarity of my flare-ups....I understand the need to stay in remission, because I DO NOT want to keep going on/off prednisone. Which, being that my attacks are not getting better on their own anymore, seems to be what's necessary to make the symptoms go away.

I should give a little history/background which may/may not affect your thoughts.. For those of you who are still reading! I know I'm longwinded! :)

I'm 36 years old and have been experiencing the above described symptoms since I've been 18, very sporadically. During the attack I had prior to this last one, a doc put me on remicade and prednisone to get me well. This doc was a friend of the family who had never seen me previously. I was unable to see my old gi doc at this time because he longer accepted my insurance...The new doc had no previous history on me except for what he saw when he did an emergency colonoscopy. He ordered one instantly when he saw how much pain I was in a how lethargic I was when he saw me in his office. ....I hadn't eaten for about 14 days. He did my first infusion while I was still under sedation from the colonoscopy...

I fear he may have jumped the gun and given me this "cadillac" of drugs not knowing that I've never really taken anything previous to that....) Imagine my shock when he told me I would have to continue getting infusions, when I woke up to after the procedure...

A different gi doc who saw me during rounds a couple days later while I was still in the hospital (they admitted me, until my pains went away and I was able to eat on my own) actually told me he would NOT having given me the remicade and he felt it was the prednisone (they were also giving me) that was working to make me well again....

I did manage to get off the remicade eventually after agreeing to go on Imuran instead. I eventually (after taking it for about 3 months) quit taking the imuran as well...As I say, I just couldn't justify the side effects and all the necessary blood testing, etc that taking the imuran wrought, for fending off flare-ups when I just don't get them very often....

However, being that I am much more ill, when I do have these attacks than I used to be, I am willing to take SOMETHING to possibly stave off another attack and to avoid going back on steroids in case there would be another attack. But, I'm just concerned about Imuran....This is the same doc that put me on the remicade/imuran previously....

Sorry to be so lengthy! Maybe I should've made this two threads..! I appreciate any advice/comments I can get.


~Wendy
 
Hey Wendy, I was diagnosed with Crohns when I was 12. I have had flare ups every 2-6 years or so. When I say flare ups I'm talking sick to the point of being hospitalized. I live with Crohns every day. Rarely a day goes by without crohns reminding me that I still have it.

The good news is I stopped taking any meds for crohns since 2003. I was tired of being a guinea pig. None of the meds helped, the side effects were the same as the symptoms and nobody knows the long term effects of these drugs. The only drug that actually helps is Prednisone, but that turns me into a mental case raging maniac.

So to answer your question yes it is normal to have flare ups every few years or so. Yes you can manage your crohns without medication!!
 
Hey thanks for the response! I'm embarrassed to see how long my post actually ended up being. I really appreciate you reading it. It's good to know that others go for long periods of time between flare-ups...Maybe it's not so rare.

It would be great if I could just go on Prednisone, as needed, to get rid of flare-ups. But, like you, I hate being on it! Mood swings, major appetite, swollen face, etc...Not to mention what I'm told it can do long-term.

I see your from Michigan! So am I. Is that one of the great lakes in your avatar?

Thanks again for the advice!

~Wendy
 
It isn't necessarily uncommon for you to go years at a time without a flare. People who flare more often may have high stress levels or other factors contributing to their frequency.
As far as a definite answer to whether you have crohn's or not- There is a blood test that can determine with a high degree of certainty whether you have crohn's. Another colonoscopy would also help determine your disease state.
Long term maintenance drugs are up to you. If you're not having a flare and your doctor isn't insisting that you take them then I would say wait out the period of time between flares.
 
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Yes, thanks for the response. I've had at least two, that I can remember, Prometheus lab tests done. That's the blood test where they take samples from several inflamed areas in the intestine during a colonoscopy and send them out to the lab. Both of my doctors were greatly surprised to see that I tested negative for crohns and ulcerative colitis everytime. They did tell me that it is possible to test negative for it and still have the disease, but admitted they were very surprised by my results...That's why my diagnosis is only a "working" diagnosis...That's why I'm so hesitant to accept taking meds for something undiagnosed....

Again, thanks for your time and I appreciate the suggestions!

~Wendy
 
I also have the same symptoms as you, with no diareaha. I was diagnosed in 2000, I'm now 34, and I have a major flare every 2-3 years; and I handle that with Prednisone. But I'm always on maintenance meds as the doctor says without them the probability of flares gets higher. I'm now on Imuran and Pentasa

Going on maintenance meds is your choice; I never had the courage to stop them, but some things you may do to prolong remission is:

- Start with milder remission meds like the 5 ASA (Pentasa, Asacol) and see if they work

- Modify your diet (you can talk with a dietician or chekc some books) and take supplements if needed (fish oil, multivitamines, calcium, green tea.....)

- Reduce stress as much as possible

- Avoid smoking, even second hand

- Try to have a good night sleep

- light excercise

Hope this helps
 
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Hi Wendy. don't worry about feeling like your post was long winded. I hold and maintain the record, your post doesn't even come close to challenging it.

I had my 1st episode, went away after 45 days of treatment with pred, then I had a decade symptom free. Then my next bout.. (still undiagnosed) Then i'd another period of nearly 5 years symtom free. Then my latest bout... a few very short (and getting shorter all the time) periods of remission (or quiescence sp?). From what I gather, periods of quiet time in this disease is common. Diarhea or constant BM's are common, but so is just the reverse.. constipation due to poor diet, or strictures, inflamation, etc.. On the Remicade issue, WOW, think that doc really goofed up. There is a concern among a lot of docs about putting someone on remicade, then them coming off it. That coming off is pretty much a one way trip. There is a chance you could go back on it, IF the need was urgent enuff, but there is a real risk. body develops resistance, as the resistance increases, risk of adverse reaction increases, potential of benefits decreases. Typically most docs who put patients on this keep them on this in maintenance doses for just that reason. You may find that his premature move has reduced your chances of using this med if your situation ever warrants it. Pretty sloppy on his part. Any lawyers in your area who take med malpractice cases on a contingency basis? Might be enlightening to have a free consult with them.
 
KEV (I love your avatar, btw!)

I'll have to find your old long-winded post and see if I can beat it! I've been known to chat a pretty fair game!

I'm glad to finally get some clarity on the actual nature of crohns. Seems when you try and read up about it, nothing is very clear on the amount of time btw flare-ups....Or it seems most people are on meds all the time. So, you never know if it's the meds or just the person maintaining the "healthy" time....

Yes, I've surprised some people in the medical field about my being "allowed" to go off the remicade. They have told me that they are no longer allowing people to go off of it anymore....My sister works for a HUGE law firm in our area...I'll have to talk with her about that...:)

Thanks for the advice, I'm always interested to read your posts!

~Wendy
 
Mazen,

Thanks for thanks for the sound advice. I do think, given the severity of my last two episodes, it might be time to at least consider, as you say, remission maintenance drugs....I've pretty much got the rest of your helpful suggestions list covered...Although, I do like to stay up late at night! But, I'm fully aware of how important sleep is. (Late night talk shows are a guilty pleasure. Not to mention, I have 4 kids, it's the only "alone" time I get-when they're all asleep.)

ZZzzzzzz.......:)

~Wendy
 
The avatar became a necessity of sorts after I started working as a private investigator. Work related topics come up on here from time to time, but in my work, having my 'career' associated with my picture just wouldn't workout.
 
How long were these flare ups before when you didn't medicate?
How long are they now?
You say you have pain then tenderness and a loss of appetite, and no other symptoms?
 

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