Alternative to Conventional Meds

[helpcrohns]

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Hello everyone, I have come to you to share a personal experience that I have had with my best friend involving Crohns disease. So, my best friend had went into the doctor because his stomach had absolutely been killing him for a few days and then next thing we knew he was in the emergency room getting sections of his colon and intestines removed. Due to what the doctors believe to be Crohns his intestines had turned black and hardened up resulting in this emergency surgery. I helped my lifelong buddy recover both physically and emotionally from everything he endured including having to use a colostomy bag for a few month span after his surgery. This is where things get exciting for EVERYONE! I am also a professional athlete who just underwent an arm surgery and was recently (2 to 3 months ago) informed about a juice that promotes holistic healing and uses natural ingredients to promote better health and well being. Well, after doing research of my own I saw all the benefits and noticed that it is supposed to be especially good for gastro-intestinal health. Knowing what my buddy had been through I felt that it could possibly help him out. Not wanting to skew his opinion, I didnt tell him anything about it or its effects. I gave him a bottle of it and told him just to let me know what he thought about it. After about three days he called me and asked where I had got it and how I found out about it. I immediately asked him why he was asking and he simply replied word for word "It makes my stomach feel good!" Not knowing exactly what he meant by that I asked him "what do you mean?" and he replied "Usually my stomach feels like there is something passing through and it will hurt REALLY BAD for like 5 to 10 seconds, and Im usually on the toilet 20 times a day! But since Ive been taking this juice my stomach hasnt had that "passing" feeling and dont have to live my life based around the bathroom." From that point on he has taken it ever since and now says and I quote "I cant live without it".

Now, I WANT YOU TO REALIZE that I am not trying to "push a product" on to any of you, I just feel like this is a very powerful 1st hand experience that I, as a human, should share with other people who are struggling with similar situations as my friend. I just want to let others with Crohns Disease to know that there just might be something out there to help benefit and improve their quality of life... All I ask is that you do as I did, have the courage to do your own research and form your own opinions. There are a lot of people out there who are too lazy to do the research and will cast an uneducated and unjust opinion about what I am saying. This honestly could be exactly what you've been waiting for. If you would like to speak with my buddy please email me and I will make that happen too... He is super excited about how he now feels!


I am willing to give people like you, who have an open mind about natural alternatives to medicine, free samples of the same juice I gave my buddy if you are willing to let me know how it works for you. If you are interested just go to my website at consumezrii.com and click on the free sample button. I will give you more juice than just the normal sample pack so that we can give it enough time to notice the full effects. Remember this is truly at No Cost To You! Please just make sure to fill in the note section of the sample form letting me know that we have been in contact so I will know to give you more than just a "taster sample".

 

[teeny5]

Hard to believe his stomach only hurt for a few days before. Mine has been hurting for months and my intestines aren't black. Nice try though.

 

[helpcrohns]

Reply

Hard to believe his stomach only hurt for a few days before. Mine has been hurting for months and my intestines aren't black. Nice try though.

His stomach had been bothering him before for some time, I mean a few days before it was unbearable pain. I was just trying to keep it as short as possible, as you can see it is already pretty long. As I also said there will be those who are too lazy to actually look into what I am saying and will form an uneducated and unjust opinion, but thats ok with me too. For I am only trying to bring awareness to something that helped him with his situation and could possibly with others in the same. It hurts me none if YOU dont want to look into something that might help YOU. Just remember I am asking nothing of YOU! I am only trying to give MYSELF to the Crohns Community.

 

[My Butt Hurts]

YAY!!! Another cure for Crohn's!! I ws hoping they'd find "another cure"!
Yippee!! Free juice for all!!!

Remember ladies and gentlemen - say that you found this spam... er, uh, article on this forum so you can get an extra big sample of juicy juice.

Hey hellCrohn's - have your buddy sign up, surely he would like the support that this forum gives to "real" members.
What a quick diagnosis he had too, by the way. Lucky lucky man.

PS - Everyone - I am almost done inventing a chocolate bar that cures croins. It doesn't cure Crohn's, but it does cure croins. I'll get you a link as soo nas I'm done with it. It should be any day now, as I just started the testing yesterday.

 

[katiesue1506]

I don't understand how your experience is a "firsthand experience" if it happened to your buddy.

You are an advertisement.

http://web.mac.com/npend/Zrii/Prosperity_Plan.html

Please stop advertising.

 

[teeny5]

Alright helpcrohns, settle down. Don't let me stop you from selling your magic juice. While you're at it I would like to find a pot of gold and let me know if you see the giant beenstalk. Have you ever met a wizard? I hear they are quite quirky.

 

[helpcrohns]

Please Explain to me This

I have done nothing but offer everyone within this community something that might help them with their situation. I have never claimed it to be a "miracle cure" like you have portrayed. I have not even advertised this product as you proclaim. In advertising you usually mention the NAME OF THE PRODUCT which I have never done here. On the contrary I am very upset and hurt at those who are claiming that what I am saying about my BEST FRIEND is a lie. These offensive and obscene thoughts are very hurtful because as I said I was the one who was there packing his stomach full of gauze and bandages when they sent him home with a split open stomach. They had to reopen his scar due to an abscess and were unable to re-shut it do to chance of infection. I was the one who had to be there psychologically when he was down and out mentally as a 22 year old single man who now had to use a colostomy bag and thought there would never be anyone who could love him due to his illness and its awful affects. I am also the one who now see's the joy on his face and hears the hapiness in his voice when he talks about his condition and all the Positive Things in his life. To have to Defend Myself to the extent that I do for asking NOTHING OUT OF YOU and only trying to let you know that there could be some other alternative to your current lifestyle is absolutely absurd and ludicrous. Well I wish you all well and my prayers go out to you all. My only wish would be that you not make light of what I am saying as it is the truth.

 

[Guest]

hi Helpcrohns. i'm late to this thread, have been away for a while. i just clicked on your link out of curiosity.... for those who haven't clicked, this is a product which contains a fruit derivative - Amalaki - & here's an interesting part of the blurb

"Amalaki is known for its incredible effects in cellular rejuvenation, enhancing the body’s own natural immune defense, as well as increasing one’s vitality."

now - i am a skeptic through & through, and do not believe something until it's proven to me, but i'm also open-minded to the possibility that things we haven't encountered personally yet might just be genuine.

i think there's two issues going on here. one being the fact that Helpcrohns came in with an opening post containing an advertising link - that immediately makes us naturally suspicious that someone has joined the forum purely to promote products, or to earn money simply by getting people to click on their links. but secondly, it is possible that, forum etiquette aside, Helpcrohns may just be passing on some info that he/she thought may be helpful to us. LDN, as we know, is helping some of our members, and it works on the immune system. apparently, allegedly, so does this product.

so - i'm tempted to just say thanks for bringing this to our attention, Helpcrohns. i don't know that anyone will purchase the product just on the info you have posted, but it is interesting.

 

[mommy1st]

I have to say I am curious also, 19 years 19 long years I have had Crohns disease and I am one who will try anything if there is a possibility that it could help me I just want to be able to play with my kids without having to go to the bathroom every couple of minutes it's hard on them too. I also have tried many things that have been known to "help" Crohns. So advertisement or not I'm a little intrigued to say the least.

 

[BWS1982]

Efficacy aside, whether this works or not, you are in the network and have an "independent executive #" and this is on your page under "join the family:

"To Join the family, and get involved in spreading the word about a product that has multiple nutritional values, as well as the amazing opportunity to grow financially continue with this page and click below. "

So because you can get rich off of me, even if you help me and this stuff works, I do take some offense, and my sentiments on this matter are probably shared. And because you have your own page, I am aware this is used to track your sales and hits....now, hypothetically, even if you have only good intentions, and could care less about ANY money, and are here to "HELP CROHNS", why not just come here and tell us about the site or product, and not be a member of the "family"? Are you spreading the word, or spreading the thickness of your wallet?

You have to realize that your posts have a cookie cutter feel to them, I've seen these sites/tactics before, and I'm in sales myself, so I can sense certain facets of the workings, as well as some obvious ones....You have the obligitory "Remember this is truly at No Cost To You!" as well as a preemptive "a lot of people out there who are too lazy to do the research and will cast an uneducated and unjust opinion" in your first post...to name but a few.

This part here is a bit complex for training to go through just to join a group who can help you spread the word on what helped your buddy:

http://web.mac.com/npend/Zrii/Payment_Chart.html

You also state we "get a free sample" IF we tell you how it did, could this possibly be a source for testimonials? It also, in a sales environment, gives the salesperson a starting point and leverage to convince you to try more if the results were in any way positive. This is all speculation, yes, but if you would like to disavow any truth to it, you're more than welcome, provided you explain the whole "yes, I'm making money with this, but....." portion.

Due to my own nature I can't help but pick apart skeptical things, yes I'm a cynic at times, but with the evidence at hand, even if I get benefits, how can I not be? You yourself said to do research and not be "lazy", well, my research worked against you.

It's also a tad suspicious that you're seemingly here, with nearly word for word, the same "pitch" and the same user name, 6 days ago:

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/crohns-disease/TAVM2JE0H0CPUN89I

and, here:

http://dailystrength.org/c/Crohns_Disease_Ulcerative_Colitis/forum/1305546-mangosteen-juice

and, here as well:

http://dailystrength.org/c/Crohns_Disease_Ulcerative_Colitis/forum/4185865-please-read-my-story

all within the same day, then it's appeared here on our forum....but one VERY curious factoid an observent person will note, is in my first link above, you are from Spartanburg, South Carolina; and in the next forum, in your profile, in the other 2 links, you are from Portland, Oregon; these were made on the same day, did you have a lot of web surfing time while moving across the US? Is this you, or your peers? What gives?

And who is "Nathan Pendley"???

 

[Mazen]

Nice piece of investigative work Benson Well done. the last thing we need are people using our suffering and disease to gain money.....

 

[My Butt Hurts]

BWS how DO you do it????
I'm amazed.
Yay! Benson for forum detective!


(No one noticed my "hellcrohn's" instead of helpcrohn's directed to the original poster? Jeez, I'm gonna have to make my jokes a little more obvious.)

 

[Guest]

thanks for the pm, Helpcrohns. i'm not going to order the product though, but i still maintain it is interesting, and when i have time, i will research this plant extract further...

i would just say a couple of things here though.. if it is true that your friend was desperately ill, needed radical surgery, and his intestines were 'black', then it sounds as if he was suffering from an acute and devastating infection - the only time i have heard of human tissue turning black is through the tissue actually dying. i would have imagined he was becoming extremely ill for some time, not just days, before things got to that stage. this does not sound like a typical Crohns complication. more like post-surgical complications, or infection being introduced into the body in some other way.

also, i raised one eyebrow at your carrying out the packing of his wound - i also had a similar problem where part of my scar broke down, and there was a gaping hole. yes, it was packed daily with gauze, then silastic foam. but all this packing was done by a visiting district nurse, thus ensuring everything was as sterile as possible. i cannot imagine a 'friend' being allowed or encouraged by doctors to do this extremely delicate procedure given the risk of infection and injury to an open abdominal wound.

finally, i am wondering just how many people would willingly give a stranger on a forum their home address, to enable you to post this product out to them.

the above points are partly why you will receive such pessimism when posting on a forum in the way you have. it may well be that your story is genuine. it may well be that the product does affect the immune system enough to help Crohns sufferers. but people are naturally skeptical, and self-protective - i think you're going to have problems promoting successfully in this way, to be honest.

 

[helpcrohns]

Efficacy aside, whether this works or not, you are in the network and have an "independent executive #" and this is on your page under "join the family:

"To Join the family, and get involved in spreading the word about a product that has multiple nutritional values, as well as the amazing opportunity to grow financially continue with this page and click below. "

So because you can get rich off of me, even if you help me and this stuff works, I do take some offense, and my sentiments on this matter are probably shared. And because you have your own page, I am aware this is used to track your sales and hits....now, hypothetically, even if you have only good intentions, and could care less about ANY money, and are here to "HELP CROHNS", why not just come here and tell us about the site or product, and not be a member of the "family"? Are you spreading the word, or spreading the thickness of your wallet?

You have to realize that your posts have a cookie cutter feel to them, I've seen these sites/tactics before, and I'm in sales myself, so I can sense certain facets of the workings, as well as some obvious ones....You have the obligitory "Remember this is truly at No Cost To You!" as well as a preemptive "a lot of people out there who are too lazy to do the research and will cast an uneducated and unjust opinion" in your first post...to name but a few.

This part here is a bit complex for training to go through just to join a group who can help you spread the word on what helped your buddy:

http://web.mac.com/npend/Zrii/Payment_Chart.html

You also state we "get a free sample" IF we tell you how it did, could this possibly be a source for testimonials? It also, in a sales environment, gives the salesperson a starting point and leverage to convince you to try more if the results were in any way positive. This is all speculation, yes, but if you would like to disavow any truth to it, you're more than welcome, provided you explain the whole "yes, I'm making money with this, but....." portion.

Due to my own nature I can't help but pick apart skeptical things, yes I'm a cynic at times, but with the evidence at hand, even if I get benefits, how can I not be? You yourself said to do research and not be "lazy", well, my research worked against you.

It's also a tad suspicious that you're seemingly here, with nearly word for word, the same "pitch" and the same user name, 6 days ago:

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/crohns-disease/TAVM2JE0H0CPUN89I

and, here:

http://dailystrength.org/c/Crohns_Disease_Ulcerative_Colitis/forum/1305546-mangosteen-juice

and, here as well:

http://dailystrength.org/c/Crohns_Disease_Ulcerative_Colitis/forum/4185865-please-read-my-story

all within the same day, then it's appeared here on our forum....but one VERY curious factoid an observent person will note, is in my first link above, you are from Spartanburg, South Carolina; and in the next forum, in your profile, in the other 2 links, you are from Portland, Oregon; these were made on the same day, did you have a lot of web surfing time while moving across the US? Is this you, or your peers? What gives?

And who is "Nathan Pendley"???

Well obviously Benson I am Nathan Pendley, and I have no idea where Spartansburg North Carolina came from or where you even saw it at. I am from Portland, Oregon area and yes I do have a lot of web surfing time while moving across the U.S. As I had stated I am a professional athlete and for example within the last 5 days Ive been from Az to Ga to AL back to GA. I am happy that you did your research and dont feel that it has worked against me. If I was afraid or ashamed of what you would find while digging further into the matter I would not of encouraged you to do so. You, Benson, have an educated opinion and that is all I can ask for. You are right about there being a payment plan for this, but why would that be a bad thing? I could see if the juice did nothing and it was something that I truly didnt believe in and was just trying to get to you for your money, but I promise you its not. I dont need the money. I get more gratification out of things such as what happened to my friend and being able to make a difference in someones life. This is a whole lot more self gratifying than making a dollar any day of the week, and like I said I dont need the money anyway. I hope that this clears the air a little Benson, and I really am glad that you did research, because that in turn means I have brought awareness about this product to you, and hopefully you researched the product and all the wonderful things it brings to the table, as well as you researched me. Thank you again

 

[Kev]

So, you do this out of the kindness of your heart, you don't need the money. I would suggest then that you take the money you make from the sale of this product and donate it to Crohns charities. Lord knows they need all the funds they can raise to battle this disease. I'm sure your closest buddy will thank you

 

[teeny5]

ha, ha

BWS how DO you do it????
I'm amazed.
Yay! Benson for forum detective!


(No one noticed my "hellcrohn's" instead of helpcrohn's directed to the original poster? Jeez, I'm gonna have to make my jokes a little more obvious.)

I noticed your "hellcrohn's" - made me giggle!

 

[Creepy Lurker]

Hm. Looks like I missed all the fun. :tongue:

 

[BWS1982]

Nathan/HelpCrohns, I saw the Spartanburg, SC here in this link, which was also in my above post:

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/crohns-disease/TAVM2JE0H0CPUN89I

Under your username "helpcrohns" it states you're from Spartanburg, SC; and you answered "JPg000"'s question, who is from Alpharetta, GA....I simply presumed your location was chosen to be close to Georgia because it's from the Crohns and Colitis Support Groups in Atlanta Georgia board. I figured if you put Portland that they'd wonder why the heck you answered a local member's question from 3000 miles away, but I don't know the specifics, just what facts are at hand.

I'm open minded, if something works, regardless of it's inception, sales or simply Good Sumaritan work....

When I spoke of moving across the US, I was inferring that within the day of July 25th, the two posts by you were, according to posted info, made from thousands of miles away, not becuase you were a pro athlete.

It may help some of us if you post perhaps some studies on the ingredients. Sure we could go find them, but in the position you're in, you probably aren't going to get people to go out of their way after the way this thread has progressed.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

Apparently, it's made of Schizandra, Tumeric, Tulsi, Amalaki, Jujube, Harritaki and Ginger. I know that Tumeric has some effect on Crohn's symptoms, but I have no idea about the rest.

 

[dad_01]

Does it come with a special sauce also?

 

[nochie]

Apparently, it's made of Schizandra, Tumeric, Tulsi, Amalaki, Jujube, Harritaki and Ginger. I know that Tumeric has some effect on Crohn's symptoms, but I have no idea about the rest.

I agree with you. Tumeric ,Harritaki and Ginger are really effects on crohon’s symtoms.

 

[helpcrohns]

This is Great

This is just what I wanted, to bring awareness! Now we have got people looking into what I have been saying. These ingredients are real and have real effects, just as my friends story depicts. I would love to see more people try it out so that we could get a better feel for its effects, instead of only a "one case" scenario. However there have been a few who have had the courage to contact me and are willing to give it a try. I have sent them a weeks supply and I am really excited to see if it brings them the same relief that it has my best friend. Lets all hope so. How exciting would that be! - Nathan

 

[Creepy Lurker]

This is just what I wanted, to bring awareness! Now we have got people looking into what I have been saying. These ingredients are real and have real effects, just as my friends story depicts. I would love to see more people try it out so that we could get a better feel for its effects, instead of only a "one case" scenario. However there have been a few who have had the courage to contact me and are willing to give it a try. I have sent them a weeks supply and I am really excited to see if it brings them the same relief that it has my best friend. Lets all hope so. How exciting would that be! - Nathan

For the price advertised, you could source the ingredients yourself 100x over.

And what's with all the 'Join the family' and 'Earn extra income from home' crap. This REALLY isn't the type of place to advertise multi-level marketing schemes.

 

[BWS1982]

Nathan, you have to understand that your "one case scenario" is all we have go off of, and I for one, am not enticed by such a limited exposure or such simple credentials....I, and many others would like to see some actual data on a larger scale. Yes, some of those ingredients are proven to alleviate symptoms, but as a whole, and depending on quanties of the ingredients, it still bears little if any proof of efficacy.

I haven't shut the door on the possibilities yet, but as it stands, I have insufficient proof to walk through that door.

 

[helpcrohns]

Nathan, you have to understand that your "one case scenario" is all we have go off of, and I for one, am not enticed by such a limited exposure or such simple credentials....I, and many others would like to see some actual data on a larger scale. Yes, some of those ingredients are proven to alleviate symptoms, but as a whole, and depending on quanties of the ingredients, it still bears little if any proof of efficacy.

I haven't shut the door on the possibilities yet, but as it stands, I have insufficient proof to walk through that door.

I totally understand exactly where you are coming from and that makes perfect sense to me. I am happy however, that there are a few who have walked through that door and have seized the opportunity to try it for themselves (for free) and see if it can bring some relief to their lives as well. I am sure that they will let us all know how their experience goes and I pray, for their sake not mine, that it is able to help them with their everyday living. Benson, can I ask a question without anyone getting defensive or taking it the wrong way? I just dont really understand why somebody who is dealing with so much wouldnt want to at least give it a try when I am offering it to them for free? I am not asking you (meaning anyone) to sign up for anything I am simply saying that, this juice is out there, it might help with this situation, and here you can have some for free to see if it works for you. No strings attached. Thank you again and I wish everyone the best

 

[BWS1982]

At least where I'm coming from, I don't feel safe, to say the least requesting a juice from a "person" off the web, giving them my address, and not knowing any possible consequences from it. That's not to say I think it's poisonous or harmful, but think of it this way: I'd probably take a week's sample for free from a trusted nutrition/grocery store, where I dont have to divulge where my house is to a stranger, and I can review the packaging/nutrition content, and look at the offer there, where it's not a website. I can't review the packaging where it would normally state what each ingredient does, and read the other ingredients, and maybe a bit about the company. Yes some of this is on the website, but that's a website, so I need a bit more first. My reluctance is because, for lack of a better term, the "shadiness" of the method of presentation. I've bought products (oodles of bodybuilding supplements, mainly protein powders and legal muscle supplements) off the net before from more well known, established sites, where fellow weight lifters have bought before without issue, with standard security measures for privacy/information, where I had Visa regulations to fall back on for infractions or misconduct....but I'm hesitant to give all this info (barring credit card info) to a person who's more of a salesman. Perhaps some of my reluctance will be rid of after some veteran members here who I know better have posted some results and their experiences with the "whole process".

With the odds I'm looking at of beating Crohns, a free shot at calming things isn't so bad though, you have me there, it's the above that's got me where I stand.

 

[Guest]

At least where I'm coming from, I don't feel safe, to say the least requesting a juice from a "person" off the web, giving them my address, and not knowing any possible consequences from it..

i agree. and it's interesting to note that Helpcrohns only replies to certain chosen posts in here. no reply to my previous one regarding the strange black intestines his friend had, nor the issue of a friend packing an open wound....

i guess it comes down to trust, Helpcrohns. and some of your points do not seem trustworthy - & you've done nothing to help this. i've been a member of this forum for 9 months now, and i wouldn't dream of asking anyone here for their home address - for any reason.

 

[dad_01]

I totally understand exactly where you are coming from and that makes perfect sense to me. I am happy however, that there are a few who have walked through that door and have seized the opportunity to try it for themselves (for free) and see if it can bring some relief to their lives as well. I am sure that they will let us all know how their experience goes and I pray, for their sake not mine, that it is able to help them with their everyday living. Benson, can I ask a question without anyone getting defensive or taking it the wrong way? I just dont really understand why somebody who is dealing with so much wouldnt want to at least give it a try when I am offering it to them for free? I am not asking you (meaning anyone) to sign up for anything I am simply saying that, this juice is out there, it might help with this situation, and here you can have some for free to see if it works for you. No strings attached. Thank you again and I wish everyone the best

So, it sounds like excluding the others who have "seized the opportunity" to try it for themselves, you have a first person sample size experience (which isn't first person at all) of one person.

 

[dad_01]

i agree. and it's interesting to note that Helpcrohns only replies to certain chosen posts in here. no reply to my previous one regarding the strange black intestines his friend had, nor the issue of a friend packing an open wound....

i guess it comes down to trust, Helpcrohns. and some of your points do not seem trustworthy - & you've done nothing to help this. i've been a member of this forum for 9 months now, and i wouldn't dream of asking anyone here for their home address - for any reason.

I got say, I think this guy is full of it. He's very loose with his descriptions of things - it was not a first person experience; he calls it a juice; his responses seem like they are right out of a marketing 101 textbooks, and his sample size seems to be that of one person.

I would not try anything that came from his website, free or otherwise. Who kinows what is really in what he is sending.

Other people on this website have already done more than enough to discount this guy.

 

[helpcrohns]

Please Read

Benson, I understand where you are coming from and the position you hold. I also understand that once some of those who have requested the samples and try it out for themselves possibly leave a post assuring people that I am in fact doing exactly what I say. I know that there are a lot of "shady" people out there who are trying to just get people for there money and I 100% understand where you are coming from with that, but I want to reiterate I am not trying to screw anyone here. Im not so sure what somebody would or could do with an address, but thats besides the point. I am only really excited about what it was able to do for my friend, thats all. I didnt expect this type of feedback at all, but as we continue with our discussions I can see where you are coming from. I just hope that you and everyone else doesnt simply dismiss this idea and throw away possibly an extremely good chance at having something that could possibly change your life.

As to address what dingbat was saying. You have read all the things I have had to reply to. I cant sit here and defend myself about every little thing that people want to accuse me of. I dont feel like I should have to defend myself against someone who is telling me that these things are not true about what I had to do for my friend. I am not a Doctor I have no idea why his intestines and part of his colon had died hardened up and turned black. Why would the doctors just remove them? For no reason! I dont think so. But it is what it is. They were black and they did remove them and they did have to put him on a colostomy bag until they were able to reconnect his intestines to his colon. As for why I had to pack his stomach. Like I have said he was 22 years old at the time had no health insurance and had some major things wrong with him. He had gotten an abscess so they had to reopen his stomach up and couldnt close it do to chance of infection. Well they sent him home as soon as possible because they knew that he had no insurance, which in turn means this 22 yr old personally owes them thousands and thousands of $. Which he is still trying to pay off today and probably will for the rest of his life. So they sent him home where his family and I, being his best friend, were having to change his "dressing" many times a day. So yes this is a "1st person" experience with this disease. It wasnt my sister who was doing all this, or my mother, it was ME. 1st person!

Now for me to have to explain something as awful as this repeatedly to people because they are such skeptics is beyond my wildest dreams. Why in the world would I make that up? All I ask is that people just lighten up Im not holding a gun to anyones head telling you to do something. I am merely trying to help you guys out!

 

[helpcrohns]

Give me a break

I got say, I think this guy is full of it. He's very loose with his descriptions of things - it was not a first person experience; he calls it a juice; his responses seem like they are right out of a marketing 101 textbooks, and his sample size seems to be that of one person.

I would not try anything that came from his website, free or otherwise. Who kinows what is really in what he is sending.

Other people on this website have already done more than enough to discount this guy.

You are unreal! I get accused of advertising, but now Im in the wrong because I call it juice and not by its name. And yes it was a 1st person experience with this disease. No I didnt have it, but I personally had to deal with it, in all the ways I have described. It wasnt my sister who did, or my mom, or my dad, or anyone else that I am telling the story about. It was me, PERSONALLY, who did these things for my friend. 1st person!!

As for who knows what I am sending you! It is in a factory sealed bottle that tells you exactly whats in it. You are unreal. Thats like saying who knows whats really in an advil bottle. There is a seal! Thats how you know. Unreal!

 

[helpcrohns]

I got say, I think this guy is full of it. He's very loose with his descriptions of things - it was not a first person experience; he calls it a juice; his responses seem like they are right out of a marketing 101 textbooks, and his sample size seems to be that of one person.

I would not try anything that came from his website, free or otherwise. Who kinows what is really in what he is sending.

Other people on this website have already done more than enough to discount this guy.

.

 

[helpcrohns]

i agree. and it's interesting to note that Helpcrohns only replies to certain chosen posts in here. no reply to my previous one regarding the strange black intestines his friend had, nor the issue of a friend packing an open wound....

i guess it comes down to trust, Helpcrohns. and some of your points do not seem trustworthy - & you've done nothing to help this. i've been a member of this forum for 9 months now, and i wouldn't dream of asking anyone here for their home address - for any reason.

Dingbat how would you expect me to get it to them without an address?

 

[Guest]

Dingbat how would you expect me to get it to them without an address?

maybe come here, tell your story of how your friend was helped by this particular product, and let people find websites selling the product on their own.

the fact that first and foremost, YOU are selling the product, backed up by a story, is what most people here, i suspect, are suspicious of.

many times on this forum, certain products/drugs/food supplements have been mentioned, which have helped the poster and they feel they want to share that knowledge. i've done it myself. but the difference is - WE are not in line to financially benefit from passing this info on. you are.

nuff said.

 

[helpcrohns]

maybe come here, tell your story of how your friend was helped by this particular product, and let people find websites selling the product on their own.

the fact that first and foremost, YOU are selling the product, backed up by a story, is what most people here, i suspect, are suspicious of.

many times on this forum, certain products/drugs/food supplements have been mentioned, which have helped the poster and they feel they want to share that knowledge. i've done it myself. but the difference is - WE are not in line to financially benefit from passing this info on. you are.

nuff said.

well now you are dodging the question that I am asking you. How would you expect me to get it to people that do want to try it without an address. And like I said I have never asked anyone to do anything except there own research on the subject at hand. I am not holding a gun to anybodys head so to speak. nuff said

 

[Creepy Lurker]

You should just ignore us all. We're all incredibly ungrateful for this amazing miracle you've shown us(!)

 

[helpcrohns]

You should just ignore us all. We're all incredibly ungrateful for this amazing miracle you've shown us(!)

You know what Creepy I agree, especially when other members of your own group are apologizing for you (not just you) and your insulting and unnecessary posts trying to discredit me and my true story about what my friend has been through. Unbelievable!

 

[Guest]

And like I said I have never asked anyone to do anything except there own research on the subject at hand.

well, to be strictly true, you have. you've invited us here in this thread to click on your website, and to order the free sample. plus you have pmd me (and who knows how many others?) urging me to do the same.

You know what Creepy I agree, especially when other members of your own group are apologizing for you (not just you) and your insulting and unnecessary posts trying to discredit me and my true story about what my friend has been through. Unbelievable!

and of course you have evidence to back up this rather nasty little statement.....?



seems to me Helpcrohns, that you could do with a little research yourself, on how not to bully others into doing what you want, how not to sulk and throw insults when people (how dare they?) think for themselves, and how futile it is to come into a forum such as ours which has strong community and friendship values, & try to cause trouble.....

 

[Kev]

well now you are dodging the question that I am asking you. How would you expect me to get it to people that do want to try it without an address. And like I said I have never asked anyone to do anything except there own research on the subject at hand. I am not holding a gun to anybodys head so to speak. nuff said

Well, you go and pay to advertise this 'MIRACLE' product of yours rather than try to pose here. And, no.. that isn't a typo. If this product does the things you claim, go create an info-merical and air it on television, and leave it up to people who are interested to try it for themselves. What's stopping you. YOU claim you don't need the money this product generates, so instead of charity, just pump those profits into advertising. Or are the laws on false advertising holding you back. In any case, I for one think you've outworn your welcome.

 

[helpcrohns]

wow!

Well, you go and pay to advertise this 'MIRACLE' product of yours rather than try to pose here. And, no.. that isn't a typo. If this product does the things you claim, go create an info-merical and air it on television, and leave it up to people who are interested to try it for themselves. What's stopping you. YOU claim you don't need the money this product generates, so instead of charity, just pump those profits into advertising. Or are the laws on false advertising holding you back. In any case, I for one think you've outworn your welcome.

You two are incredible! Who am I bullying and forcing to do anything. And what in the world are you talking about. I do exactly the opposite of what you claim. I encourage people to think on their own and form their own opinions. Did I not thank Benson for doing his own research and having his own educated opinion? You are way off base Creepy. I am sorry that you are so bitter as to cloud your mind from there even being a small chance that somebody would only be out to help others. Scary world you must live in. And to Kev if I was truly out to advertise I would do something like that. You would see a tv commercial, a pop up of some sort, a newspaper ad. BUT IM NOT. I have never claimed it to do anything I have simply told you what it did for my buddy. You and creepy both are ludicrous with these last two statements you've made. I am here, however, to tell people my story and experience with my buddy. Thats all, if someone would like to try for themselves just as he did I simply make it possible for that to happen. THATS IT!!!!! No bullying or whatever you two wanted to call it. Simply extend the opportunity if anyone wants to try it for themselves. Where is the problem in that?

 

[helpcrohns]

well, to be strictly true, you have. you've invited us here in this thread to click on your website, and to order the free sample. plus you have pmd me (and who knows how many others?) urging me to do the same.




and of course you have evidence to back up this rather nasty little statement.....?



seems to me Helpcrohns, that you could do with a little research yourself, on how not to bully others into doing what you want, how not to sulk and throw insults when people (how dare they?) think for themselves, and how futile it is to come into a forum such as ours which has strong community and friendship values, & try to cause trouble.....

How is that insulting anyone? I simply agreed with what you said, and added the fact that there are people who have contacted me apologizing for people like you and Kev. Not an insult, just facts. Havent said anything personal about anyone. If any of thats going on its been people attacking and insulting my integrity as a human being. Which, honestly, hurts a little. I have done nothing wrong to spite any of you. I am not a corporate scumbag who is out trying to advertise anything. This is a true story that I am extremely excited about, although after the type of treatment I have received here from a few I dont know how long that excitement can keep me trying to help others.

 

[Kev]

The problem with that is you are exploiting this site to profit no one but you.

IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN HELPING PEOPLE WITH THIS DISEASE, YOU'D DO IT FOR FREE, OR OFFER THE MATERIAL FOR FREE. Spare me your weak replies as it is more than evident the only reason you're here is to exploit people, and I don't like people taking advantage of us & this forum to do it.
Same as I wouldn't stand still and watch a pusher work a schoolground. OK

 

[Guest]

How is that insulting anyone? I simply agreed with what you said, and added the fact that there are people who have contacted me apologizing for people like you and Kev. Not an insult, just facts. Havent said anything personal about anyone. If any of thats going on its been people attacking and insulting my integrity as a human being. Which, honestly, hurts a little. I have done nothing wrong to spite any of you. I am not a corporate scumbag who is out trying to advertise anything. This is a true story that I am extremely excited about, although after the type of treatment I have received here from a few I dont know how long that excitement can keep me trying to help others.

lol people like me & Kev? actually, i take that as a compliment

 

[helpcrohns]

The problem with that is you are exploiting this site to profit no one but you.

IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN HELPING PEOPLE WITH THIS DISEASE, YOU'D DO IT FOR FREE, OR OFFER THE MATERIAL FOR FREE. Spare me your weak replies as it is more than evident the only reason you're here is to exploit people, and I don't like people taking advantage of us & this forum to do it.
Same as I wouldn't stand still and watch a pusher work a schoolground. OK

Are you kidding me.. Thats EXACTLY what I am doing. Offering it for FREE. Have you not been reading the previous posts

 

[katiesue1506]

The reason you are running into blockades here is because the way you have presented your information has been in a very advertisement-like fashion. If you'll note in our forum rules section it states: "*All posts containing advertisements, spam, or offensive material will be removed and the poster may be banned"

Your beginning post sounded just like an advertisement to me... and after going to further check out your source, I find that it is a website dedicated to pushing this juice out. You can say what you want to dispute this, but your website has information on how to become a part of the Zrii team. It is what I would call a "get-rich scheme" or "pyramid scheme". So even if this Zrii juice works, its not presented in the best light to attract positive attention. If I were to liken your website to another one I've seen recently, it would be http://www.ginsengmiracles.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

In this website they propose the product works... but if you go to the About Us section there are sections there to become a part of the network.

If you wanted to really just get the word to us about this juice that saved your friend's blackened intestines you could have just placed a reply on an already started thread that said something like "My friend tried Zrii and has so far liked it" or you could have started a thread that asked if anyone had ever tried a juice called Zrii. Instead you started a thread that started with your friends sad story, and ended with a "come to my website to pick up a free sample"

This is an advertisement.

 

[Kev]

Yeah, and I didn't say free SAMPLE, I said FREE... Even drug dealers on the street give their victims the first 'hit' free.. then they start gouging them. You haven't been listening... no one is buying your story or your juice.

 

[helpcrohns]

Yeah, and I didn't say free SAMPLE, I said FREE... Even drug dealers on the street give their victims the first 'hit' free.. then they start gouging them. You haven't been listening... no one is buying your story or your juice.

no you havent been listening, others have been apologizing for you and your posts. And your statement is absurd, thats like saying Ive had shoulder surgery and you think you might have something that could help me so You should have to buy it for me forever. How ridiculous is that? If I give you enough to try and see if it works for you then why wouldnt you want it, and how dare you compare me to a drug dealer? Thats pretty harsh Kev, nice character you are!!!

 

[helpcrohns]

The reason you are running into blockades here is because the way you have presented your information has been in a very advertisement-like fashion. If you'll note in our forum rules section it states: "*All posts containing advertisements, spam, or offensive material will be removed and the poster may be banned"

Your beginning post sounded just like an advertisement to me... and after going to further check out your source, I find that it is a website dedicated to pushing this juice out. You can say what you want to dispute this, but your website has information on how to become a part of the Zrii team. It is what I would call a "get-rich scheme" or "pyramid scheme". So even if this Zrii juice works, its not presented in the best light to attract positive attention. If I were to liken your website to another one I've seen recently, it would be http://www.ginsengmiracles.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

In this website they propose the product works... but if you go to the About Us section there are sections there to become a part of the network.

If you wanted to really just get the word to us about this juice that saved your friend's blackened intestines you could have just placed a reply on an already started thread that said something like "My friend tried Zrii and has so far liked it" or you could have started a thread that asked if anyone had ever tried a juice called Zrii. Instead you started a thread that started with your friends sad story, and ended with a "come to my website to pick up a free sample"

This is an advertisement.

Katiesue I suppose you could be correct in the way that I should have started the thread. However like I have said I just wanted to bring awareness to the fact that this could work for others just as it has worked for him, which I think it has. I want to thank you for not attacking me as a person and addressing your points like a civilized human being. Perhaps next time I will now know of a better way to open my thread.

 

[Kev]

I DARE because you are an exploiter of peoples pain and suffering trying to pass off as something you are not. You have a friend with this disease. I have a hard time thinking you have any friends... just customers deluded into buying your product. If you've got such a friend, get him/her to tell THEIR story on here. You don't belong... you've got no investment in this disease other than for profit. As for members on here apologizing for my posts, my disdain for you... they are entitled to their opinion.. like myself, they paid their dues first hand. You haven't. You haven't paid anything for the privilege of being here, you've only profited from others misfortunes, and I for one recognize a load of fecal matter when I see it, and you and your posts sure stink like it. Have I made my personal opinion of you and your 'product' crystal clear? This is a support site, not a place for peddling 'miracle' treatments with nothing to back them than your 'personal' say so. Your continued prescence here is inappropriate, you told us of your product and you've had your say. Folks who want to try it are free to do so, but to allow you to make these claims and profer your product would be something I will always be vehemently opposed to. I could have deleted your posts and banned you.. Instead I opted to voice my opinion of you and your ad as just another member. I personally deeply regret my generousity so far.

 

[helpcrohns]

I DARE because you are an exploiter of peoples pain and suffering trying to pass off as something you are not. You have a friend with this disease. I have a hard time thinking you have any friends... just customers deluded into buying your product. If you've got such a friend, get him/her to tell THEIR story on here. You don't belong... you've got no investment in this disease other than for profit. As for members on here apologizing for my posts, my disdain for you... they are entitled to their opinion.. like myself, they paid their dues first hand. You haven't. You haven't paid anything for the privilege of being here, you've only profited from others misfortunes, and I for one recognize a load of fecal matter when I see it, and you and your posts sure stink like it. Have I made my personal opinion of you and your 'product' crystal clear? This is a support site, not a place for peddling 'miracle' treatments with nothing to back them than your 'personal' say so. Your continued prescence here is inappropriate, you told us of your product and you've had your say. Folks who want to try it are free to do so, but to allow you to make these claims and profer your product would be something I will always be vehemently opposed to. I could have deleted your posts and banned you.. Instead I opted to voice my opinion of you and your ad as just another member. I personally deeply regret my generousity so far.

My only reply is that I never claimed that it is a miracle treatment like you so wrongly proclaim. All I said is what it has done for him and that I hope it could do the same for others. And that I was willing to go into my own pocket to see if it would help others. Wow what a crime! My fault for wanting to bring relief into other peoples lifes. As for your personal attacks I suppose all I can do is dismiss them and realize that you are just a bitter man with no faith in the human race. Just because you may not be one that doesnt meant that there arent people in the world who like to do good for others, whether you want to believe it or not!!!!!

 

[Guest]

Helpcrohns - i strongly advise you to do one of two things... a) apologise for your behaviour so far, you have insulted and insinuated things against more than one of us now - this kind of attitude is not welcome on this forum. if an apology is forthcoming, and you are generally interested in learning about Crohns Disease, you are welcome to stay. or b) take your attitude elsewhere & don't look back.

actually there is a 3rd option which you can do - but i am far too polite to put it in writing.

ok?

 

[helpcrohns]

Helpcrohns - i strongly advise you to do one of two things... a) apologise for your behaviour so far, you have insulted and insinuated things against more than one of us now - this kind of attitude is not welcome on this forum. if an apology is forthcoming, and you are generally interested in learning about Crohns Disease, you are welcome to stay. or b) take your attitude elsewhere & don't look back.

actually there is a 3rd option which you can do - but i am far too polite to put it in writing.

ok?

I am sorry dingbat. Sorry that I cant apologize for anything that I have said, for I have not insulted anyone in the manner that I have been insulted nor have I innitiated any of it.

 

[jobengals]

wow, what an unnecessarily heated forum.

...to be honest, you're all REALLY overreacting IMHO....

if he's offering it for free, what the hell does it hurt in trying it? If he's spending this much time defending his position, there's no way this can be some hardcore super devised spy operation money scheme. Calm down people. You'd be surprised what natural, organic nutrients and healing powers we can find right here on our earth mother, in its purest form; its natural, original form.

hell, i'll try this super duper sketchy juice drink and let you all know if my house gets robbed, hmkay? :ycool:

 

[Creepy Lurker]

wow, what an unnecessarily heated forum.

...to be honest, you're all REALLY overreacting IMHO....

if he's offering it for free, what the hell does it hurt in trying it? If he's spending this much time defending his position, there's no way this can be some hardcore super devised spy operation money scheme. Calm down people. You'd be surprised what natural, organic nutrients and healing powers we can find right here on our earth mother, in its purest form; its natural, original form.

hell, i'll try this super duper sketchy juice drink and let you all know if my house gets robbed, hmkay? :ycool:

That's fair enough.

Just keep in mind that Zrii is a MLM opportunity. It isn't really about selling a product as much as it is inducting new people to sell the product for you.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Is-Zrii---The-Chopra-Center-Endorsed-MLM---Really-That-Great?&id=714228

The company already has over 4000 people in less than 5 weeks without ever even shipping a single bottle of product. People are rushing to be at the top of what most are calling the next billion dollar brand.

This is personally why I'm very dubious about this poster and his methods. If he gave us links and info which didn't tie us into him then I'd be a bit more neutral.

As it is, I think it's an attempt to exploit people with an incurable illness.

 

[Kev]

Folks here are free to try whatever method they so choose. But as a Forum that is trying to provide a responsible site where people of all ages can turn to for support, advice, opinions, Well, then there is an obligation on the part of the folks who volunteer their time to moderate this site to protect young and impressionable, oft times desperate victims of this disease from becoming the victims of [FONT=&quot]charlatans[/FONT] and posers. A person from anywhere can come here, pose as a sufferer, or friend of same, and offer an unproven, untested, even perhaps unsafe product. Sure, a free sample is offered. Does it work? Maybe, maybe not. There is the 'placebo' effect. Could it be harmful.. quite possibly. Who regulates these products, where is the country of origin. Is it controlled by agencies, and if so, who/where?
Imagine you're a parent, your young child reads of something like this in this forum, sends away for a free sample, decides to stop their meds, etc.. Do you see that anyone connected to this forum HAS to be ultra cautious in dealing with potential exploiters. This gentleman has been allowed to have his say.. you'll notice the person it supposedly helped isn't in here with a first hand account of their experience with the product. For myself, I adopted an ultra conservative approach to offering info about a treatment tested and written up in the American Journal of Gastro-enterology, and I've no personal gain to be had from promoting it as a 'possible' alternative to the 'adults' on here. Those are the standards I apply to myself, and to any other person who presents an 'alternative' treatment. The fact that this 'gentleman' has made his claims second hand, has no peer review info to offer, and not even first hand accounts of someone who has benefited from this 'treatment, product, etc.' YET he still manages to profit from it...
I am not about to apologize for viewing him with all the skepticism he and his product deserve. As I said, this is a forum of mixed age groups, the adults on here are just that, adults.. They can play guinea pig with any & sundry medicines, diets, drinks, juices, holistic treatments, herbal remedies, you name it. Lord knows I've done it. But we have to take steps to watch out for the young folks who turn to us for help. Then we have to be adults.
That may at times mean running off suspicious looking characters from the 'playground'. If that seems/sounds unfair, so be it. Truth is there are just some times when we are forced to prejudge things, based on appearance.
essentially all we're doing is preventing marketeers from advertising for free.

And, legitimate product or sham, the fact is that this guy is just a marketeer

 

[helpcrohns]

Thank you Jobengals

Folks here are free to try whatever method they so choose. But as a Forum that is trying to provide a responsible site where people of all ages can turn to for support, advice, opinions, Well, then there is an obligation on the part of the folks who volunteer their time to moderate this site to protect young and impressionable, oft times desperate victims of this disease from becoming the victims of [FONT=&quot]charlatans[/FONT] and posers. A person from anywhere can come here, pose as a sufferer, or friend of same, and offer an unproven, untested, even perhaps unsafe product. Sure, a free sample is offered. Does it work? Maybe, maybe not. There is the 'placebo' effect. Could it be harmful.. quite possibly. Who regulates these products, where is the country of origin. Is it controlled by agencies, and if so, who/where?
Imagine you're a parent, your young child reads of something like this in this forum, sends away for a free sample, decides to stop their meds, etc.. Do you see that anyone connected to this forum HAS to be ultra cautious in dealing with potential exploiters. This gentleman has been allowed to have his say.. you'll notice the person it supposedly helped isn't in here with a first hand account of their experience with the product. For myself, I adopted an ultra conservative approach to offering info about a treatment tested and written up in the American Journal of Gastro-enterology, and I've no personal gain to be had from promoting it as a 'possible' alternative to the 'adults' on here. Those are the standards I apply to myself, and to any other person who presents an 'alternative' treatment. The fact that this 'gentleman' has made his claims second hand, has no peer review info to offer, and not even first hand accounts of someone who has benefited from this 'treatment, product, etc.' YET he still manages to profit from it...
I am not about to apologize for viewing him with all the skepticism he and his product deserve. As I said, this is a forum of mixed age groups, the adults on here are just that, adults.. They can play guinea pig with any & sundry medicines, diets, drinks, juices, holistic treatments, herbal remedies, you name it. Lord knows I've done it. But we have to take steps to watch out for the young folks who turn to us for help. Then we have to be adults.
That may at times mean running off suspicious looking characters from the 'playground'. If that seems/sounds unfair, so be it. Truth is there are just some times when we are forced to prejudge things, based on appearance.
essentially all we're doing is preventing marketeers from advertising for free.

And, legitimate product or sham, the fact is that this guy is just a marketeer

Thank you Jobengals, obviously you have read and understand exactly where I am trying to come from, and for that I appreciate you stating your opinion. I agree with you if I were just trying to advertise why in the world would I be on here defending the integrity of myself and my story. I never said I have Crohns. I said I offered this to my friend, who I was there for, when he was suffering and wanted to let others know of what it has done for him. I talked to him just within the hour and asked him to join the forum to back me on our experience. He is going to join as well as show some of the gruesome pics of what I have been explaining. (His stomach being split wide open & gauze packings, etc.) Hopefully then all of you who have accused me of being a liar, a cheat, a marketeer, and all the other inhumane names that I have been called will finally realize that I am telling the truth and I am here to help others just as I have stated through out this whole post. And boy wont it feel nice to get some of these people off my back, as I am tired of being a punching bag for only trying to help others out.

 

[helpcrohns]

This doesnt make sense

That's fair enough.

Just keep in mind that Zrii is a MLM opportunity. It isn't really about selling a product as much as it is inducting new people to sell the product for you.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Is-Zrii---The-Chopra-Center-Endorsed-MLM---Really-That-Great?&id=714228



This is personally why I'm very dubious about this poster and his methods. If he gave us links and info which didn't tie us into him then I'd be a bit more neutral.

As it is, I think it's an attempt to exploit people with an incurable illness.

I have to give you my link so that if you did want to try it that you would be able to fill out the form so I know where to send it. And this is obviously just about the product. I have never even talked about the business or having people sell the product for me. I have always talked about what it HAS DONE for my friend and how I hope and wish that it will do the same for those in a similar situation. Thats why I offer the free week supply to see if it is something that will help you too. I wouldnt want you to buy it or join in if it doesnt have the same effect for you. There would be no reason or benefit for you in doing so but if it helps you like it helps him than the decision is yours.

 

[helpcrohns]

This doesnt make sense

That's fair enough.

Just keep in mind that Zrii is a MLM opportunity. It isn't really about selling a product as much as it is inducting new people to sell the product for you.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Is-Zrii---The-Chopra-Center-Endorsed-MLM---Really-That-Great?&id=714228



This is personally why I'm very dubious about this poster and his methods. If he gave us links and info which didn't tie us into him then I'd be a bit more neutral.

As it is, I think it's an attempt to exploit people with an incurable illness.

I have to give you my link so that if you did want to try it that you would be able to fill out the form so I know where to send it. And this is obviously just about the product. I have never even talked about the business or having people sell the product for me. I have always talked about what it HAS DONE for my friend and how I hope and wish that it will do the same for those in a similar situation. Thats why I offer the free week supply to see if it is something that will help you too. I wouldnt want you to buy it or join in if it doesnt have the same effect for you. There would be no reason or benefit for you in doing so but if it helps you like it helps him than the decision is yours. To end my point, I never said it cured him and he no longer has Crohns! I said it has brought serious relief to his everyday struggles!

 

[Guest]

I talked to him just within the hour and asked him to join the forum to back me on our experience. He is going to join as well as show some of the gruesome pics of what I have been explaining. (His stomach being split wide open & gauze packings, etc.) Hopefully then all of you who have accused me of being a liar, a cheat, a marketeer, and all the other inhumane names that I have been called will finally realize that I am telling the truth and I am here to help others just as I have stated through out this whole post. And boy wont it feel nice to get some of these people off my back, as I am tired of being a punching bag for only trying to help others out.

why? why bother? nobody has called you a liar, nor a cheat, from what i can remember. you joined this forum of your own free will, with one aim - to sell your product, ultimately. ok - you may be offering a free initial sample, but we all know you do that with the hope of gaining future sales. no-one had your arm up your back to join, similarly neither is anyone forcing you to stay. if you don't like the heat you have caused here....etc....

anyone can register with a new username, from hidden or falsified ip addresses.. anyone can find photographs of gruesome intestines and wounds.. your 'friend' coming on here does not change the fact that you're here to sell. and THAT is what is wrong.

if you friend genuinely has Crohns, then he is very welcome to join, for the right reasons. however (if he exists) if he is coming here to fuel an argument, to give you a little army, then you may find posts being deleted. this forum is not here for that.

 

[Kev]

Yeah, I've just about had my fill. I have been here for years. I have paid for the privilege of being a member here by relating my story with this disease, by trying to support and help any member or visitor on here who has this disease and by giving my time freely without any compensation in maintaining this site. You peddle product (untested, unproven, unregulated product) for profit! I don't care how you try to sugar coat it, those are the facts. Regardless of whether you or your product is legit, this site is NOT for people marketing a product. This is your last warning, desist or else.

 

[GoJohnnyGo]

Interesting discussion on ZRII here

Personally, I think this stuff is a pile of hooey. New Age Fruit Juice at $35 a bottle flogged by a former underwear salesman.

 

[My Butt Hurts]

Wow.
I go on vacation for 4 days, and this discussion is still going on??
It's getting old, helpcrohns.
Your insistance (if that's a word) seems to indicate to me that you DO actually profit from all of this.

You are making some dead wrong comments to some people that you know NOTHING about. We are a community of caring people here, and the way that you are talking to some of us is starting to irritate me. Kev is about the nicest, most helpful character on here, so saying that in obvious sarcasm shows that you maybe you do need to apologize after all.

Enough already - end it.

Moderators, should the link be deleted, then people can look up the juice if they want?

 

[GoJohnnyGo]

I'm just a newb here, but I'd rather the thread stay (maybe remove the commercial link).

I think it's a good idea to discuss (and debunk if necessary) some of the quackery out there touted to be cure-alls.

My two cents anyway.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

Interesting discussion on ZRII here

Personally, I think this stuff is a pile of hooey. New Age Fruit Juice at $35 a bottle flogged by a former underwear salesman.

Fantastic link.

 

[GoJohnnyGo]

Fantastic link.

Basically from what I've read, the drink is primarily apple and pear juices with very little of the so-called wonderstuff. Apple and pear juice might be pretty good for what ails ya, but 35 bucks can buy you a heckuva lot more plain ol' apples and pears at your local grocer.

 

[helpcrohns]

Basically from what I've read, the drink is primarily apple and pear juices with very little of the so-called wonderstuff. Apple and pear juice might be pretty good for what ails ya, but 35 bucks can buy you a heckuva lot more plain ol' apples and pears at your local grocer.

The juice is centered around the Amalaki fruit and is blended with several other ingredients. It also consists of Schizandra, Turmeric, Ginger, Tulsi, Haritaki, Jujube and then is mixed with other natural juices for its taste. Im not sure where you did your research but this is what it contains.

On a lighter note. I want you to know that I am not here to fight with people, or stir up trouble. Its just that I take it sort of personal when I am honestly out trying to help others and feel like I am sort of being used as a "punching bag" for lack of better words. I am honestly out to help! Bottom line!

 

[GoJohnnyGo]

The juice is centered around the Amalaki fruit and is blended with several other ingredients. It also consists of Schizandra, Turmeric, Ginger, Tulsi, Haritaki, Jujube and then is mixed with other natural juices for its taste. Im not sure where you did your research but this is what it contains.

Well, water is known to have rejuvenating powers seeing as it has been drunk by the Himalayan people for thousands of years and I'm quite sure Dr. Dippy the Love Guru would endorse it even if it were sold for $35 in a tastefully-designed bottle.

Hell, root beer is made from all sorts of esoteric herbs and roots too. Last I heard the FDA won't allow it to be sold as a medicine.

 

[BWS1982]

Been absent for a bit (nevermind)....

HelpCrohns, if you want to martyr yourself, go ahead....if having "banned" associated with your sales crusade and Good Sumaritan deeds helps your cause(s), continue in this manner. But I tried to take a high road and be as civil as possible by explaining things in a calm manner in my last couple posts, after being such a steadfast opposition to you....you say you're being attacked, but forget you're "returning fire" yourself... Go reread your posts and you'll see you're going after a few "punching bags" yourself. Calling someone bitter and saying they have no desire to help others, and telling another person they live in a scary world because of their due skepticism, make sure to take note of such statements as you reread.

When people apologized at the beginning of the thread for the collective behaviors and/or MO's on the forum, they didn't truly represent the forum as a whole (even though their words speak otherwise), each member can speak for themselves. Using this claim as a weapon in the manner you did by trying to degrade the posts of others, even if your intent is to dismiss something you find offensive, is going to be counterproductive....and I can't discount the possibility that this could turn members against each other, and I for one don't want to see it go that direction. You might as well have said "well your words mean nothing because other people here feel differently."

Seems to me you have yet to answer the entire idea of you joining the Zrii family, rather than spreading the word of the juice by alternative means...why join, that's not an integral part of "helping people"? You were doomed from the getgo with your initial post, and even the title of this thread. "Alternative to conventional meds" implies that this juice REPLACES medicine....this entire verbal brawl could have possibly been averted had you been more tactful about your entry into this community, as short lived as you may make it.

So, folks here get a free sample...I wouldn't be surprised if the bottle for this juice stated "May take 3-6 weeks to see results". On a serious note though, I implore you to make your next move carefully, as it seems you've been very trigger happy thus far, and your knee jerk posts haven't been thought through. You're lucky you're not banned already, having broke forum rules alone was grounds for it. Nobody was required to allow your stay, you're like a cat with nine lives, except your posts are above the nine count.

 

[Guest]

lol funny what you can find on the net when you're bored.... take a lookie at this folks.. from Helpcrohns' site - how to do successful pyramid selling - http://web.mac.com/npend/Zrii/Prosperity_Plan.html

and in case you're still struggling to make your millions as a Zrii executive, help is at hand here - http://www.annsieg.com/uk_d/Zrii.html

so, for only $49 i could have a business with a $90,000 turnover. wow!! and the more people i get to join, the more money i make.. sheesh - my calculator is so hot it's smoking!!

 

[My Butt Hurts]

Ding, I'm fairly sure you can inhale that calculator smoke and get some relief from your krones symptoms. (Not your Crohn's ones - but your krones ones.)


Mmmm..... medicinal root beer. So yummy.

 

[helpcrohns]

lol funny what you can find on the net when you're bored.... take a lookie at this folks.. from Helpcrohns' site - how to do successful pyramid selling - http://web.mac.com/npend/Zrii/Prosperity_Plan.html

and in case you're still struggling to make your millions as a Zrii executive, help is at hand here - http://www.annsieg.com/uk_d/Zrii.html

so, for only $49 i could have a business with a $90,000 turnover. wow!! and the more people i get to join, the more money i make.. sheesh - my calculator is so hot it's smoking!!

Yes you can do that but I am not asking you to do that. You fail to mention that there is a consumer only option as well, and if it does help you like it helps him I would imagine that you would want to consume it. Im not asking anyone to be in the business. I am merely saying that this could help you as it helped my friend. There is nothing on my site that even comes close to suggesting "how to do successful pyramid selling."

 

[helpcrohns]

Been absent for a bit (nevermind)....

HelpCrohns, if you want to martyr yourself, go ahead....if having "banned" associated with your sales crusade and Good Sumaritan deeds helps your cause(s), continue in this manner. But I tried to take a high road and be as civil as possible by explaining things in a calm manner in my last couple posts, after being such a steadfast opposition to you....you say you're being attacked, but forget you're "returning fire" yourself... Go reread your posts and you'll see you're going after a few "punching bags" yourself. Calling someone bitter and saying they have no desire to help others, and telling another person they live in a scary world because of their due skepticism, make sure to take note of such statements as you reread.

When people apologized at the beginning of the thread for the collective behaviors and/or MO's on the forum, they didn't truly represent the forum as a whole (even though their words speak otherwise), each member can speak for themselves. Using this claim as a weapon in the manner you did by trying to degrade the posts of others, even if your intent is to dismiss something you find offensive, is going to be counterproductive....and I can't discount the possibility that this could turn members against each other, and I for one don't want to see it go that direction. You might as well have said "well your words mean nothing because other people here feel differently."

Seems to me you have yet to answer the entire idea of you joining the Zrii family, rather than spreading the word of the juice by alternative means...why join, that's not an integral part of "helping people"? You were doomed from the getgo with your initial post, and even the title of this thread. "Alternative to conventional meds" implies that this juice REPLACES medicine....this entire verbal brawl could have possibly been averted had you been more tactful about your entry into this community, as short lived as you may make it.

So, folks here get a free sample...I wouldn't be surprised if the bottle for this juice stated "May take 3-6 weeks to see results". On a serious note though, I implore you to make your next move carefully, as it seems you've been very trigger happy thus far, and your knee jerk posts haven't been thought through. You're lucky you're not banned already, having broke forum rules alone was grounds for it. Nobody was required to allow your stay, you're like a cat with nine lives, except your posts are above the nine count.

Benson you are correct with the whole way my thread was opened. As I agreed with someone who stated that earlier that I know understand that that might not of been the best way of opening up, but honestly I didnt forsee this type of reaction for what I felt relayed the message that I was only trying to help others like I helped my friend. In my last post I stated that Im not here to cause trouble and I do only want to help, but you have to understand that of course Im going to take some of the stuff written about me personally. I am not here to attack or argue with anyone I just want everyone to know that there is something out there that could possibly help you out with your situation. Thank you for your words Benson.

 

[saidinstouch]

The way I see it is this...the juice may or may not help people and that is up to them to try. If you are willing to provide the extended samples to people without pressuring them into purchases then that is a great offering on your behalf. However, it is up to each person to decide if they are willing or wanting to try your product and determine if it works themselves. Understandably, we're all a bit skeptical when someone with a vested financial interest comes our way and tries to sell us a product. You've been fairly good about keeping the pressure down, but realistically most of us know that once you get a foot in the door with these kinds of business models the pressure is turned up and can become uncomfortable. I hope some people here are willing to take you up on your trial offer and report back to us in a few weeks, but at the same time the backlash is also to be expected since right now it seems like just another guy trying to make a buck off our suffering.

 

[katiesue1506]

Who's apologizing for Kev and Dingbat... and "others"? I don't feel they've said anything wrong. In fact they are both mods here... so I wouldn't ever even think of them being out of line.

I'm just so lost. ..... come find me!!!

 

[Guest]

Who's apologizing for Kev and Dingbat... and "others"? I don't feel they've said anything wrong. In fact they are both mods here... so I wouldn't ever even think of them being out of line.

I'm just so lost. ..... come find me!!!

thanks Katiesue.

i suspect it is purely a case of typical human reaction when someone feels they cannot support their own words without backup from someone else, albeit 'invisible (invented?) someones' in this case.

fortunately, everyone else here doesn't need such backup - we can all speak for ourselves

 

[GoJohnnyGo]

Okay, in the interest of fairness.

If folks want to read up on Amalaki (or Indian Gooseberry) minus the Zrii nonsense, google it by its botanical name phyllanthus emblica. All sorts of useful information (even found a place that will sell the powder to me for 20 bucks a pound).

Still not convinced there's anything more than minute amounts of it in this Zrii swill (Zrwiill?) The fact that the product is made to withstand long periods of storage in Utah warehouses and distributors' garages likely compromises its potency somewhat.

Sounds to me like Tibetan Fruit Punch with some spices. Ain't buying the hype just because some celebrity lent his name to it. Hell, Dr. Phil got his ass sued by consumers over his line of weight loss snack bars and shakes that couldn't deliver on its claims. In fact, I think if a health product needs the endorsement of a celebrity to sell it, it can't be very good.

 

[BWS1982]

Pen "apologized" on the first page by "excusing" herself and the forum for our skepticism...I think this is what he's referring to.

 

[helpcrohns]

Pen "apologized" on the first page by "excusing" herself and the forum for our skepticism...I think this is what he's referring to.

No the people I am referring to are people that have contacted me further and wanted to give it a try. These were private messages so I am going to repsect their privacy and not put their name out there. I am assuming that they would rather remain anonymous otherwise I think they just would have posted it within the forum. I can tell you however, that its been more than one person. Regardless, thats not what I am here for. I am not wanting to argue or exchange blows anymore with anyone. I just want people to realize that I am really here for the right reasons.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

No the people I am referring to are people that have contacted me further and wanted to give it a try. These were private messages so I am going to repsect their privacy and not put their name out there. I am assuming that they would rather remain anonymous otherwise I think they just would have posted it within the forum. I can tell you however, that its been more than one person. Regardless, thats not what I am here for. I am not wanting to argue or exchange blows anymore with anyone. I just want people to realize that I am really here for the right reasons.

If you wanted to respect peoples privacy, you shouldn't have mentioned them at all.

I think it's safe to say that if people want to try your product, we won't try to stop them. Insulting us and talking down to us for being cautious or cynical (which we have good reason to be as mentioned by others) is just not on though.

-- Edit --
Looking through some of the literature, I came across this:

Can Zrii be taken with prescription medications?
It is always advised that individuals taking medications or with pre-existing medical conditions consult their primary care physician before consuming Zrii (or any nutritional supplement).
Zrii has not been clinically tested for prescription drug interactions or specific disease conditions. Therefore, the decision to consume Zrii while taking medication ultimately rests in the hands of the consumer and their primary care physician.
The Scientific Advisory Board of Zrii (of which some members are Western medical doctors) is currently not aware of any negative interactions between Zrii and prescription medications.

So, they're currently unaware of any interactions. Which they would be, seeing as they haven't bothered to test for any.

 

[TheBestFriend]

Hey people, do to a request from my friend that you all know as "HelpCrohns", im here to set the records streight. Im actualy kinda pissed that all you people tear into him like that without having any idea what your talking about. You assume hes and advertisment and without doing any research you act like he's claiming to have found a "Cure for Crohns". How stupid can you be. He's simply telling you about something that worked for me. He's not selling you anything, he's giving you something that might work.

My name is Tanner. Im 25 years old and live in Oregon. To the moron who couldnt believe i had a 2 day stomache ache, congradulations, you misunderstood what he was saying and believed it. I bet you have a great relationship with your wife. Actuly i was living in Alaska at the time when i first noticed my symptoms. I was having stomach aches and vomiting and there was blood in my stool often. I did what i called "normal" at the time and blamed it on hemroids and something i might have ate. This went on for about 6 months. Then i moved home to Oregon. On the 4th of July i was at my parents house for dinner. Around 6pm i went to lay down cause my stomach was bothering me. At 9pm i was in the emergency room. They didnt know what was wrong so they gave me some pain pills and sent me home. i stayed home for 2 more days and the pain got so bad i could no longer walk. I went back to the ER and got my first of many KAT Scans. After that I was transported to OHSU in Portland to have my 1st emergency opperation. They took all food and water away from me for 7 days while they observed me and did every test in the world they could think of. Ive had fingers and tubes in every hole in my body. It was terrabule. After that, my surgery had complications. They removed 3ft of my small intestions and 1ft of colon right where they meet. They described it as black and hard like cement. They shipped my intestions off to be tested. My stomach was stapled shut and i had a new colostmy bag to deal with. i wore that thing for 3 months until my intestions were heeled enough to reverse it.

The time came to reverse the bag. Everything was supposed to be good as new when they were done. However, my intestions were not being nice. The 1st day out of surgery i had poop coming out of my stapled shut stomach. They had to pull all staples out of my stomach and leave my stomach wide open to heel from the inside out. now i had to wear a home made diper on the front of my stomach to catch all the poop that was coming out. This went on for 3 more months. I now had a hole in my intestions that was leaking poop inside my stomach cavity and coming out of my incision. After things heeled up, they went in and cut the hole out and i have been 1 piece again ever since.

Up until recently, my stomach has been extremly bothersom. Everytime i eatwithin in 5-10 minutes i can feel the food passing what i call "rough" spots in my intestions. It gets so bad sometimes I can barley move. I have to stop what im doing and hold my breath until it passes. It usualy only last about 5-10 seconds. But this happens for about an hour after i eat. Then the bathroom starts. It feels like i dont get enough out of me when i go, like only a little comes out, and as soon as i stand up, it all moves and more is ready to come out. I take anywhere from 12-20 dumps a day. None of them are solid. It is painful and anoying having to be in the bathroom that often.

Now, the Juice, everything HelpCrohns said was the 100% truith. He called me up and said to try it and wouldnt tell me anything about it. I started taking it. I wasnt sure what to expect about it. I didnt know if it was an energy drink or what, i had no clue. I took it for 5 days. I took 1 shot every morning. At first i didnt notice anything was different. But i kept taking it for the 5 days. By the 3rd day i slowly started to realize, i was having solid poop in the morning. Then it kicked in full bore. I could eat anything i wanted and had ZERO stomach pains all day long. I felt more alive durring the day. My mood was excellent. I had an entire new outlook on things. I call it a meriocol drink. Then i stopped taking it cause i ran out of the 5 day stuff. The very day i stopped drinking it all my old problems came back. i was on the toilet all day and it was all painfull again.

I have to get going now, but if you have any questions feel free to email me at [email protected]. I can show you pictures of my hospital stay and some of the things that happened to me. If you dont at least try this drink you are CRAZY. He's giving it to you. I could not live without it. And when he says its not about the money he isnt lieing. The product is kinda spendy, but if you get people to take it you get yours for free. So everyone that signs up he puts under my name so i can get it for free. I dont have a lot of money and he is doing it so i can have this drink. So there you go "Widen Your Wallet" boy. It is going to a good cause, guess you couldnt find that out in all your research coul you. Thats my story, let me know if you have any questions.

 

[Guest]

awaiting other mods & admin's vote on this.

 

[teeny5]

I don't think calling anyone a moron is going to win them over...kinda rude don't you think? Also, both bestfriend and helpcrohns seem awefully pushy. I mean if all you want is people to try it then just state your case and shut up! People don't get so defensive when they are "just trying to help people."

Seriously, this thread has gone on for so long it is craziness. I feel like they are just trying to egg people on...almost like creating hype. I guess all publicity is good publicity! But, I guess if you are trying to get people into some sort of pyramid scheme you have to be kinda pushy and really hype your product up. Good luck guys...more power to you. I just for one don't believe in your "magic juice" nor do I partake in pyramid schemes.

 

[katiesue1506]

Why is your name tanner, but your email to cameron bloom?

 

[TheBestFriend]

Why is your name tanner, but your email to cameron bloom?

My middle name is Cameron
and the street i live on is Bloom Ln.

 

[TheBestFriend]

I don't think calling anyone a moron is going to win them over...kinda rude don't you think? Also, both bestfriend and helpcrohns seem awefully pushy. I mean if all you want is people to try it then just state your case and shut up! People don't get so defensive when they are "just trying to help people."

Seriously, this thread has gone on for so long it is craziness. I feel like they are just trying to egg people on...almost like creating hype. I guess all publicity is good publicity! But, I guess if you are trying to get people into some sort of pyramid scheme you have to be kinda pushy and really hype your product up. Good luck guys...more power to you. I just for one don't believe in your "magic juice" nor do I partake in pyramid schemes.

I dont mind being rude to a person that is being just as rude with his sarcastic remarks. I dont want to be here and i dont care what you think of me. Im doing this cause my friend asked if i would tell my story. If you didnt want to here it you shouldnt have asked for me to come one here and say it. This juice makes me feel good and thats all that matters. I dont care if you try it or not.

 

[Guest]

I dont mind being rude to a person that is being just as rude with his sarcastic remarks. I dont want to be here and i dont care what you think of me. Im doing this cause my friend asked if i would tell my story. If you didnt want to here it you shouldnt have asked for me to come one here and say it. This juice makes me feel good and thats all that matters. I dont care if you try it or not.

you may not mind being rude to our members, but we do mind.

you say you don't want to be here, yet since you first posted over an hour ago you have done nothing but sit in this thread watching & waiting for responses.

what does that tell us? that you purely came here to enlighten us as to your side of the story? no. it says, loud & clear, that you are waiting for someone to take the bait, so you can argue back. this is NOT that kind of forum. if that's the kind of debate you're looking for, i'm sure you can find plenty other places on the net where you'd fit in fine.

i think it is only a matter of time before this thread ends its shelf life. i will not take that decision upon myself - i will wait for other members of my staff team to come online. but - you have been warned. and while it is still here, it serves as a reminder to anyone else who is thinking of peddling their wares in such an arrogant manner that there is no-one here who will tolerate them, let alone believe them.

 

[TheBestFriend]

you may not mind being rude to our members, but we do mind.

you say you don't want to be here, yet since you first posted over an hour ago you have done nothing but sit in this thread watching & waiting for responses.

what does that tell us? that you purely came here to enlighten us as to your side of the story? no. it says, loud & clear, that you are waiting for someone to take the bait, so you can argue back. this is NOT that kind of forum. if that's the kind of debate you're looking for, i'm sure you can find plenty other places on the net where you'd fit in fine.

i think it is only a matter of time before this thread ends its shelf life. i will not take that decision upon myself - i will wait for other members of my staff team to come online. but - you have been warned. and while it is still here, it serves as a reminder to anyone else who is thinking of peddling their wares in such an arrogant manner that there is no-one here who will tolerate them, let alone believe them.

Its a shame you dont believe my story. It really is true. And the reason im sitting here responding to everyons remarks is because of what you said earlier. You said that it was wierd that HelpCrohns would only pick and choose which ones he would reply to. So trying to make you happy im replying to everyone. The reason im not being that nice is because everyone on here is attacking me and my friend. Who cares why my email address is different from my name??? What does that have to do with anything??? Its too bad your afrade to try something that has changed my life. Maybe my friend went about it all wrong in coming here, but he is a great person and i thank him for helping me.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

£10 says that an IP check on thebestfriend shows the same IP as helpcrohns.

 

[Guest]

Its a shame you dont believe my story. It really is true. And the reason im sitting here responding to everyons remarks is because of what you said earlier. You said that it was wierd that HelpCrohns would only pick and choose which ones he would reply to. So trying to make you happy im replying to everyone. The reason im not being that nice is because everyone on here is attacking me and my friend. Who cares why my email address is different from my name??? What does that have to do with anything??? Its too bad your afrade to try something that has changed my life. Maybe my friend went about it all wrong in coming here, but he is a great person and i thank him for helping me.

look - there is no attacking.

there has been skepticism, yes, and that is healthy. people like ourselves, who have a chronic illness, have to regard these 'wonder claims' with suspicion and a switched on mind. we get many spammers on here, and in our search for help with symptoms, we come across many such claims for Crohns cures.

the shame of it all is that initially, i found the product interesting purely because of its immune system properties.. but your friend's attitude, which started right from post no.2, has deterred me from even considering researching this further.

members on here are sufferers. we live with pain, debilitation, sickness etc etc etc.. we have a really great community support system in this forum. the last thing we want is some pushy salesman causing aggro, and particularly trying to cause problems between members. i am sure you can understand that.

 

[Guest]

£10 says that an IP check on thebestfriend shows the same IP as helpcrohns.

 

[ITSMEAGAIN]

as a new member here i've taken my time to read and sit quietly about this topic. But after awhile i started to think that as someone with Crohn's my opinion should count as well.
I truly believe that after reading all the above posts the original intent of Helpcrohns was to make his product available, go after your target audience if you will.
Is that a bad thing? Well i guess it's not the best when your target audience is a group in which society doesn't really give much recognition to. A group where our condition is not understood.
A condition that as i've researched was considered nothing more then a psychological disorder not that long ago.
Are we all a bit skeptical of modern day claims of Green Tea, Acai Berries, and everything else Nestle can bottle for $4 a pop at the grocery store.
Seriously i can tell you all here that i feel my best when i smoke a nice joint, my stomach doesn't hurt and i have an appetite. I've even found a nice site on the web where pot is touted as a miracle cure. But i'm not that nieve (sp) i know it has some medicinal compounds but so does Garlic. I think if anything could do what they are saying it wouldn't be a sell it to my friend type of product it would have some serious testing behind it.
For crying outloud even Marijuana has Government approval for testing on people for medical reasons. Can't the Indian Gooseberry get a little grant? somebody? anybody?

 

[Kev]

My thoughts on this are that we went well beyond being hospitable allowing this blatant marketing.. and that any further comments from the marketeer are grounds for immediate banning... thereby cutting off the supply. As for his 'friend'.. Well, he has found a solution to his health issues with the gooseberry juice, so he really doesn't need any help from any of us, and he's said he doesn't want to be here... so any further rude behaviour on his part would merit the same banishment... and I'd stake my membership here that course of action.

 

[helpcrohns]

£10 says that an IP check on thebestfriend shows the same IP as helpcrohns.

Creepy that is not true and you know it! I am sitting in Georgia right now whle he is in oregon so that is impossible. Please just dont make up lies to make this look how you want it to thats all I ask. What I am and him are saying are the truth. Email him... look at the pictures.. Its all factual we are not out trying to scam. Well Im not here to argue but I will answer any more questions that anyone may have.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

Creepy that is not true and you know it! I am sitting in Georgia right now whle he is in oregon so that is impossible. Please just dont make up lies to make this look how you want it to thats all I ask. What I am and him are saying are the truth. Email him... look at the pictures.. Its all factual we are not out trying to scam. Well Im not here to argue but I will answer any more questions that anyone may have.

I think you'll find it's a bet, not a lie. I don't have mod privileges so couldn't say either way.

You really are far too aggressive. I'd be rather surprised if you sell anything that way.

While you're here, are you going to respond to this?

Can Zrii be taken with prescription medications?
It is always advised that individuals taking medications or with pre-existing medical conditions consult their primary care physician before consuming Zrii (or any nutritional supplement).
Zrii has not been clinically tested for prescription drug interactions or specific disease conditions. Therefore, the decision to consume Zrii while taking medication ultimately rests in the hands of the consumer and their primary care physician.
The Scientific Advisory Board of Zrii (of which some members are Western medical doctors) is currently not aware of any negative interactions between Zrii and prescription medications.

 

[helpcrohns]

I think you'll find it's a bet, not a lie. I don't have mod privileges so couldn't say either way.

You really are far too aggressive. I'd be rather surprised if you sell anything that way.

While you're here, are you going to respond to this?

I would but what is there to respond to. Ive always said do your research and if its for you I will let you try it for free. Ive never said come take this and join this without knowing anything about it, I have always encouraged own research and thoughts from the beginning.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

I would but what is there to respond to. Ive always said do your research and if its for you I will let you try it for free. Ive never said come take this and join this without knowing anything about it, I have always encouraged own research and thoughts from the beginning.

Lets try this again.

Some of us here have not been magically cured as your friend has. We have to take powerful medication.

The quote you refuse to respond to is from the website *YOU* link to. It states that the makers have no idea if it will adversely interact with said medicine.

Are you trying to encourage us to drink stuff that could well cause us harm?

If I were to get some of this stuff and it made me worse, would you be liable?

 

[helpcrohns]

Lets try this again.

Some of us here have not been magically cured as your friend has. We have to take powerful medication.

The quote you refuse to respond to is from the website *YOU* link to. It states that the makers have no idea if it will adversely interact with said medicine.

Are you trying to encourage us to drink stuff that could well cause us harm?

If I were to get some of this stuff and it made me worse, would you be liable?

I dont even know how to respond to this. All I can say is do your own research and if it is right for you I will let you see if it works the same for you as it did him without you having to spend money to do it. Thats all.

 

[My Butt Hurts]

Yaaaaaaawwwwwn

Ooops! Sorry - did I do that out loud??
S'cuse me...

 

[Creepy Lurker]

I dont even know how to respond to this. All I can say is do your own research and if it is right for you I will let you see if it works the same for you as it did him without you having to spend money to do it. Thats all.

So, that's "Take the stuff, and if it doesn't kill you or land you in hospital then it aaaaawlright..."

 

[BWS1982]

Hey people, do to a request from my friend that you all know as "HelpCrohns", im here to set the records streight. Im actualy kinda pissed that all you people tear into him like that without having any idea what your talking about. You assume hes and advertisment and without doing any research you act like he's claiming to have found a "Cure for Crohns". How stupid can you be. He's simply telling you about something that worked for me. He's not selling you anything, he's giving you something that might work.

My name is Tanner. Im 25 years old and live in Oregon. To the moron who couldnt believe i had a 2 day stomache ache, congradulations, you misunderstood what he was saying and believed it. I bet you have a great relationship with your wife. Actuly i was living in Alaska at the time when i first noticed my symptoms. I was having stomach aches and vomiting and there was blood in my stool often. I did what i called "normal" at the time and blamed it on hemroids and something i might have ate. This went on for about 6 months. Then i moved home to Oregon. On the 4th of July i was at my parents house for dinner. Around 6pm i went to lay down cause my stomach was bothering me. At 9pm i was in the emergency room. They didnt know what was wrong so they gave me some pain pills and sent me home. i stayed home for 2 more days and the pain got so bad i could no longer walk. I went back to the ER and got my first of many KAT Scans. After that I was transported to OHSU in Portland to have my 1st emergency opperation. They took all food and water away from me for 7 days while they observed me and did every test in the world they could think of. Ive had fingers and tubes in every hole in my body. It was terrabule. After that, my surgery had complications. They removed 3ft of my small intestions and 1ft of colon right where they meet. They described it as black and hard like cement. They shipped my intestions off to be tested. My stomach was stapled shut and i had a new colostmy bag to deal with. i wore that thing for 3 months until my intestions were heeled enough to reverse it.

The time came to reverse the bag. Everything was supposed to be good as new when they were done. However, my intestions were not being nice. The 1st day out of surgery i had poop coming out of my stapled shut stomach. They had to pull all staples out of my stomach and leave my stomach wide open to heel from the inside out. now i had to wear a home made diper on the front of my stomach to catch all the poop that was coming out. This went on for 3 more months. I now had a hole in my intestions that was leaking poop inside my stomach cavity and coming out of my incision. After things heeled up, they went in and cut the hole out and i have been 1 piece again ever since.

Up until recently, my stomach has been extremly bothersom. Everytime i eatwithin in 5-10 minutes i can feel the food passing what i call "rough" spots in my intestions. It gets so bad sometimes I can barley move. I have to stop what im doing and hold my breath until it passes. It usualy only last about 5-10 seconds. But this happens for about an hour after i eat. Then the bathroom starts. It feels like i dont get enough out of me when i go, like only a little comes out, and as soon as i stand up, it all moves and more is ready to come out. I take anywhere from 12-20 dumps a day. None of them are solid. It is painful and anoying having to be in the bathroom that often.

Now, the Juice, everything HelpCrohns said was the 100% truith. He called me up and said to try it and wouldnt tell me anything about it. I started taking it. I wasnt sure what to expect about it. I didnt know if it was an energy drink or what, i had no clue. I took it for 5 days. I took 1 shot every morning. At first i didnt notice anything was different. But i kept taking it for the 5 days. By the 3rd day i slowly started to realize, i was having solid poop in the morning. Then it kicked in full bore. I could eat anything i wanted and had ZERO stomach pains all day long. I felt more alive durring the day. My mood was excellent. I had an entire new outlook on things. I call it a meriocol drink. Then i stopped taking it cause i ran out of the 5 day stuff. The very day i stopped drinking it all my old problems came back. i was on the toilet all day and it was all painfull again.

I have to get going now, but if you have any questions feel free to email me at [email protected]. I can show you pictures of my hospital stay and some of the things that happened to me. If you dont at least try this drink you are CRAZY. He's giving it to you. I could not live without it. And when he says its not about the money he isnt lieing. The product is kinda spendy, but if you get people to take it you get yours for free. So everyone that signs up he puts under my name so i can get it for free. I dont have a lot of money and he is doing it so i can have this drink. So there you go "Widen Your Wallet" boy. It is going to a good cause, guess you couldnt find that out in all your research coul you. Thats my story, let me know if you have any questions.

What does anyone's wife have to do with this?

So your friend is using any acquisitions he gets here to supply you with continued free Holy Nectar? Yes, I'll admit, if at all true, that's noble as a friend. Why did you blindly take something you had no knowledge of in such a frail state? I would have thought you'd have some caution applied to your further decisions related to your health following your "ordeal"? No conversations with any physicians first? I think perhaps a vast amount of static here is because people here THINK about what they put into their bodies, that's a very likely explanation from my observation.

I'm having trouble reading your statements, but I inferred a comment I believe was aimed at one of my posts. I could respond to this entire post differently, but like it's been said, this isnt the type of forum for that (I've been on those, try and look up Flex magazines forum and others like it), and that won't solve anything, even though I'm not sure I can counter your "style" of writing.....The point is I did research, and so have others here, and both sides have stated their viewpoints with HelpCrohns (who you referred to as such as well, instead of Nathan, since you're his best friend this is odd) and his methods....I really don't know if there's a way it can be proven that either of you are ________ (fill in the blank with an allegation) even though there's plenty of "leads" to go on...but the point is you two have come here, and want X Y Z from us, and the burden of proof lies in your guys' hands. Instead of going about this peacefully, Nathan has done some snapping, and you as well.

Just understand it this way, what's more likely to change the mind of a skeptic AND SELL THINGS:

"What the &*$@ is your problem, what I'm telling you is the truth you bitter morons?!"

OR

"Well let me address each of your differences and disputes."

Now I understand some of Nathans posts were calm, but he later then resorts to more uncalled for words, which seem to negate things. Appearance is everything when words are the focus, and your post here may have put the nail in the coffin, whether it's biographical or fictional.