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my daughter is 13 and has been diagnosed with crohns for 1 year. She has never really been completely better. Her Dr recommends she try enteral therapy or start on biologics. I would like to try to control it naturally. Any one have success with this treatment? Would you recommend a nasogastric tube or just have them drink the formula. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you!
 
My son did 8 weeks of the EN. He hated the taste so had to have the NG tube - he was just so grateful not to have to taste it! It did work wonders for him and got rid of all his symptoms for a while. Unfortunately after six months he did need to go onto medication. I believe it is really good for helping move into remission but usually they will need another med to stay there. Good luck
 
My two cents DS has done EEN twice
First time at dx instead of pred while starting 6-mp
He drank peptamen jr all orally no tube
Recently he has started pen with exclusive crohns restrictive diet .
Again two werks of EEN peptamen jr then less than 50% of calories from a very short list of foods

EEN only induces remission the minute you go back to a normal diet your inflammation comes back
DS started remicade at age 8
He is now 11 and on humira/Mtx ( due to crohns and juvenile spondyloarthritis )
Did your GI explain the only way to maintain treatment as a maintenance med as EEN is no food ever again???
Even that isn't enough some times ...
Pilgrim tried the cycling route
 
no..my daughters GI dr said they would keep her on 6mp and after 8 weeks slowly introduce foods. If this doesnt work then we would start humira. I was planning on just starting the biologic but then someone told me that they knew a young girl that died from a fungus after she was on the biologic meds. I also started researching humira and what I was reading scared me.
 
DS has been on biologics for three plus years
The docs watch very closely for any signs of any infections even normal kid ones and have you stop meds so that isn't really an issue
Humira is extremely painful though
But lower cancer rate than 6-mp
But in the end it comes down to what works for your kid
 
DS has been on biologics for three plus years
The docs watch very closely for any signs of any infections even normal kid ones and have you stop meds so that isn't really an issue
Humira is extremely painful though
But lower cancer rate than 6-mp
But in the end it comes down to what works for your kid


Thank you so much for the info. It makes me feel better about the biologic meds. I hate it when people tell you all the horrible stories they have heard. It makes me start second guessing myself. Thanks for taking the time to help me out!
 
My daughters have been on biologics for years and I can honestly say we have never regretted that decision for even a minute. They've had no side effects - no increase in infections or anything like that. Mr chicken is right - your doctor will monitor your kiddo VERY carefully if she gets any sort of infection.

This is a good presentation about the risks and benefits of meds used for IBD: http://programs.rmei.com/CCFA139VL/

My daughter has done supplemental EN using an NG tube. She tried to drink the formula first and though she got used to the taste (Peptamen Jr) she just could not drink enough to gain weight. The NG tube seemed very intimidating at first, but I was shocked at how fast she got good at it. She inserted the tube every night and did her feeds overnight and then pulled it out in the morning. Some kids leave it in all the time, depending on what they prefer. There are videos online of kids demonstrating how to insert an NG tube that you could show your daughter.

Once my daughter got used to the NG tube, she thought it was MUCH easier than drinking the formula.
Good luck!
 
Our daughter did EEN twice for 6 week periods. She drank the formula which was Ensure or Boost (or generic similar) bought at the grocery or pharmacy.

It helped her immensely, but I must say that as was mentioned above when we transitioned to foods (in one set it was a low fibre diet and in the other set it was strict SCD diet) she went backwards fast and ended up bleeding again.

We have used Humira for her for 5 months. She is much better right now, symptom wise. We also use about 50% supplemental EN.

It is great to see her living life, playing t-ball, and getting ready for kindergarten next year. I would say keep on trying to find something that works. Sometimes you just have to work through your options - it's a rough process.
 
My 12-year-old daughter did EN for 10 weeks earlier this year using an NG tube that was in all the time. She tried drinking the formula first, but couldn't get down more than a few sips. The first few days with the tube were really hard, but after that it was much easier. We're homeschooling this spring, so having the tube in all the time wasn't a big deal.

She's also on Remicade and MTX, so it wasn't an either/or situation for us. In her case, she started Remicade as her first treatment, and the EN was added about 6 weeks later to help her gain weight and heal her inflammation until the Remicade kicked in. EN really helped her--she gained about 15 pounds, and her inflammation numbers dropped too.

After a few weeks off the tube, she's now doing supplemental EN at night, and she puts the tube in herself each evening, and takes it out in the morning. We had never imagined that she'd be able to do that, but she's been a champ with it. She gets about 1200 calories a night via tube, which is helping her continue to gain needed weight.

She hasn't had any side effects from the Remicade, and after 5 months on it, her Crohn's symptoms are way down.

Good luck with your decision making, and I hope your daughter is feeling better soon.
 
Both of my daughters used Exclusive Enteral Nutrition to induce remission and it worked for both of them. One daughter has been on Remicade since dx and in the past three years has been the healthiest one in the house. Seriously! She went on a youth mission trip where half of the kids came home with mono but not her! She has survived a visit from her cousin with the flu, stomach bugs, colds etc. Not sick a day! Also has severe psoriasis with open wounds and is a competitive swimmer getting in water with all kinds of who knows what. The docs warned of infections due to her open skin and not one infections since!

My younger recently dx's daughter used EEN instead of steroids to induce remission and it worked great. We also started Methotrexate to take over when we completed the EEN. Our doc said her results were so good that he would entertain either cycling on and off EEN or a 50/50 diet (EEN/Food) to maintain remission and dropping the Methotrexate. Unfortunately, even with the Mtx, once we got to 50/50 with the reinto of food her inflammation markrs started increasing again. so I am reluctantly in the maintenance med camp ebut honestly they aren't half as bad as you think when they are first introduced.
 
Wit a second! I just read your post in another thread. I see your daughter is already on 6MP and not achieving remission so the choice is to try EEN or move to another drug.

In that case....O was put on prednisone and Remicade at dx. Every time we tried to taper the steroids her symptoms returned. After about 4 months of playing around with prednisone the docs declared her steroid dependent. They wanted to add Methotrexate but I asked about trying EEN first. They agreed it was the better route and that Remicade was doing the heavy lifting but just needed little help. So she did 6 weeks of EEN at which point she was in clinical remission. We slowly added back in food and she stayed in remission. We did eventually add Methotrexate BUT that was to treat joint issues caused by psoriatic arthritis.

So maybe the EEN will be just the boost she needs and she will be able to stay on a drug you have already become comfortable with? n
 
Yes your right.. The Dr wants to keep my daughter on 6mp and add EN. I really to become more educated about all these meds. I figured that a biologic med has more risks. Thanks everyone for your replies. We are starting EN the week!
 
Hi. I hope your first week goes well.

My teenaged son had a similar story. He was first on prednisone and EEN, with plan to go to 6MP as the next step (and then Remicade if necessary). After he finished EEN he was feeling good and gaining weight, so he moved to half EN and half crazy militant, no slippage SCD. He finally went off pred after 5 long months. Bc his labs were all normal, almost a year later, he is still on 50/50 mix and hasn't moved to 6MP - although we would and will do whatever it takes. He had scopes last week and they were clear! Biopsy results this week will tell the full story. In meantime he is symptom free and has gained 25 pounds and 2 inches.

We can't really isolate the role of the EEN/EN, but we are going to keep doing it. Post is on how it goes for her.
 
Optimistic: This is wonderful news! You are literally the first success story I have heard about 50/50 working. I really hope the biopsies confirm this thinking! If they do, how long will you wait to scope again? How are you planning to monitor inflammation in the meanwhile?
 
Hi! I wanted to add my .02, my 14 year old boy was diagnosed a year ago and was started on 6mp. He too, never really got better (weight loss and fatigue). In January the dr. and I decided to start him on a biologic (remicade). They did several tests before started the biologic and we had to delay the start because the lung xray showed some dense nodules. They needed to rule out latent TB or fungal infections before we could start. Everything turned out negative and we started remicade. It has made a difference in my son. He is still not great, but gaining weight and able to go to school, and significantly better than when he was on the 6mp. He is monitored closely by the GI and a pulmonologist. My son seems to get less illnesses than the rest of the family. He is always spared from the super contagious common colds. Never found out what the dense nodules were other than a reaction to inflammation.

Hope this helps in your decision. These decisions aren't easy.
 
How's it going?
My daughter still does the 30%- 50% EN. She has a gtube ( port placed in the abdomen).
It's been a huge help to her gaining and maintaining weight and settling her GI track.

I pray it all goes well.
 
We are actually starting the EN tomorrow. It's the end of the school year for her so we agreed to wait until her parties were done. I'm wondering how do you deal with meal time and everyone else eating real food? Did you always have the port? I'm wondering if we would be more successful with that?
 
At first my daughters chose to just go to their rooms and watch tv/go on social media/play games etc but that wore off fast and it wasn't long until they sat with us at home, in restaurants etc. My younger daughter actually rather enjoyed helping prepare the dinner and requested a smell plate. I think because half of the experience is smelling the food she felt satisfied. Haha she used to always volunteer to cut the onions or peel someone's orange because the smell would linger on her fingers for a while. She even trolled food websites reading recipes and such. I thought this was odd but our dietician told me it was perfectly normal and helped many kids get through.
 
When she started EN ( at 3) I use make her sit with us but she's allowed to bring her art stuff to the table during dinner.
Now she just drinks it with a straw and is happy to be talking with us.

The gtube is surgically placed in thru the abdomen and into the stomach which creates a stoma. Every 3 months it needs to be replaced. I can do this at home and after 2 ish years it's not a big deal.
Grace's gtube is not noticeable when she's clothed.

Be warned.......
It's a possibility that where ever you cut into the GI track that crohn's could pop up there.
We decided it was worth the risk because of her age and her sinuses couldn't take the irritation from the n-g tube.
 
I'm wondering if my daughter would be more successful with this treatment if she had the feeding tube. Her DR just briefly mentioned it. I said no because I thought my daughter could just drink the shakes. Any thought on the benefits of the feeding tube??
 
My son did supplemental enteral nutrition. He was doing this to try and gain weight as he was woefully thin. Since the formula was being used as a supplement to his diet he was still eating.

But he could not tolerate drinking the formulas and opted for the naso-gastric tube. He took in 2700+ calories of formula over night each night. He would place his ng tube each evening then remove it in the morning.

Another Mom, Tesscorm has a son the used it treatment so with no food for 8 weeks and he also placed and removed the tube every evening and morning.

Others choose to have the tube placed and leave it in. I think it can stay in for several weeks.
 
I'm wondering if my daughter would be more successful with this treatment if she had the feeding tube. Her DR just briefly mentioned it. I said no because I thought my daughter could just drink the shakes. Any thought on the benefits of the feeding tube??

The benefit to any tube is you don't have to taste the formula.

As clash said some leave it in full time and others ( usually older kids) insert it in themselves at night. That way during the day no one knows they need a tube.

Do you know the type of formula? Are they doing an n-g tube tomorrow?
 
If she's able to drink the formula, that's for sure an easier way to do it. Do you know what formula she'll be using? Some types are more palatable than others. If she can't drink it, or drink enough, the NG tube is a good alternative, especially if she's able to put it in and take it out herself. A G-tube (the port directly into your stomach placed surgically) is a much bigger deal to insert and take care of, and is usually only considered in cases where EN is needed long term or indefinitely.

My daughter tried drinking the formula first, and a big mistake we made was to say things like "Try really hard to drink this, because if you can't, you'll have to get an NG tube." That made the NG tube sound like a punishment, and made it harder when she ended up having to get one. We should have presented the NG tube as just an alternative that was available, in case drinking the formula was too hard, and let her know that the tube isn't that bad (which it isn't, once you get it figured out).

We actually made the decision to try not to eat in front of my daughter while she was on EN. We'd eat breakfast before she woke up, my other daughter and husband were out of the house during lunch, and then at dinner, we'd eat together, but only what she could eat. (She was on 90% EN, and so could eat a little food each day.) We'd eat a simple meal like soup together, and then later the rest of us would grab something from the fridge on our own if we were still hungry.
 
My son had the NG tube all the time for 8 weeks. After the first two days he didn't feel it anymore. He was very grateful not to have to taste it. Good luck
 
DS is currently on PEN 6-7 shakes a day peptamen jr with prebio
Plus a few foods ( potato egg rice apples and melons )
He has been on this for almost two months.
He drinks it all orally but has been on supplemental shakes for 3 years where he drank 2-3 a day everyday so taste is not an issue for him.

The first two weeks GI had him no foods allowed at all.
This was hard for him
I let him drink his shakes while playing video games and we didn't eat his favorite foods for dinner.

Now that he can have some food ( less than 50% calories closer to 20%)
He eats dinner with us -typically scrambled eggs with potato /tomato /rice in it .
Again we try to stay away from his favorites
Make sure GI may permit pure sugar or dum dum lollipops( both permitted with EoE formula only diets )
If so she can have cotton candy which when put in silicon cupcake containers is a dessert
Or "sugar " cookies -crystallized sugar -pure sugar boiled with water and dumped into silicon molds .

DS needed crushed ice in a bowl to have something to chew
That is important as well
Good luck
Drinking it was hard at first for DS first few days nothing but tears and me plugging his nose ( per his request to block the taste)
Now he can chug two in 5 minutes
 
We've tried all the shakes and she seems to like the boost plus shakes the best. I'm glad you mentioned that we should not threaten with the ng tube because I did say that to her once. I think she can drink the shakes. They don't taste too bad but having 7 a day for 2 months I feel like we will have some issues. What is your experience with them gaining weight and growing? Happen pretty fast with this treatment??
 
At 7 a day
We did two for breakfast
Two for lunch
One after school snack
And two for dinner
The Key is treat it like meal time
 
My daughter gained 15 pounds during her first 10 weeks on EN. She dropped a few pounds when she stopped EN, but since she restarted supplemental EN, she's gained those back, plus another 4 pounds. She was 70 pounds in January, and is now 89 (at 5'1"). We'll know on Monday if she's gotten any taller, but everyone says that weight gain comes first.
 
Now for my Grace it was different. Not much weight gain at first but once she started healing and inching towards remission then the weight came on easier.
 
When we started with 100% (EEN) we would let her sit away from the table so she didn't have to smell the food. She felt left out. So, on day 3, she was back at the table with us. She loved to smell the food and would ask to smell it. She was allowed a clear type popsicle per day. So, this was her treat if the other kids were eating something she really desired. She was also taking Vitamin D, and we bought that in gummy form so she could have one after each shake.

It was hard for three days and then she was fine and got used to drinking them. I think that once you find a flavour that your child likes then stick with it. Our experience was that switching flavours too much brought out the weird aftertaste. She was happier once she settled on a flavour and brand (they taste different from brand to brand).

We never ended up needing the NG tube, so no experience there.

We were told that it wasn't an issue that she wasn't chewing anything for those 6 weeks and not to worry that it would cause a tooth or other problem - but I have read differing opinions here on the forum so you may want to ask about that.
 
My son was 16 when he did EEN. As Clash mentioned, he did six weeks of no food, using an NG tube for overnight feeding. He found it quite easy to learn to insert the tube each evening and remove in the morning. During the day, he was allowed clear liquids - broth, freezies, popsicles, gummies, jello, e7-Up, Ginger Ale, tc. Other than being told to watch sugar content, we weren't given any limits on the clear liquids.

In our case, because he did find the tube insertion easy, he preferred using the tube to drinking the shakes. After the six week exclusive period, he continued with 50% of the formula dosage, still overnight with tube, in addition to his regular diet for two years - again, we weren't given any limits on food during the day.

Agree with not introducing the tube as a 'punishment' for not drinking the shakes. Even if she is able to drink the shakes this time, she may need to use this treatment again in the future. We were not given the option - told simply that the treatment was EEN with tube... made the decision much easier. :)

Just FYI, while my son was on EEN, I would send him broth in a thermos so he could eat with his friends at lunch and arranged for the school to keep freezies for him in the staff kitchen.
 
Broth would be wonderful. The dietician said only a couple jolly ranchers and flavored water like propel. I love the idea of making Popsicles with that! I'm going to find out about the broth... Any children have perianal disease? Our MD is not sure how much the EN therapy will help that? I'm hoping that the combination of 6mp and EN we can control that.
 
EEN typically does nothing to help perianal disease
The only proven therapy to help with perianal disease is biologics in particular remicade.
Perianal disease is extremely hard to treat and control .
It's also the last region to heal
DS has crohns in many places including his rectum
That was the hardest to get under control for him
 
Crohnsinct: yes, it seems like the 50/50 trick is working. He was scoped (and mre) when all hell broke loose last year and then 8 months later. In meantime he had some blood tests every 6-8 weeks and a fcp a couple of times. i think this approach will continue. Honestly the Drs are surprised and several partners came in to see the guy who seems healthy but should not be based on where he was. Even the dr who has written papers on power of EN and diet is entertained.

jenni: my son prefers the boost high protein. We tried at least 8 formulas including some I brought back from Europe. He learned to drink them room temperature (nasty imo) so he could chug them quickly away from home. We made a lot of misteps when he first started that almost caused him to stop. If I had to do it all over again, I would spend first month or so really keeping him
Away from family dinner table (or thinking that table is mandatory for quality time together), not having him listen to random food chatter with siblings or ride with me to get a take out pizza, minimize food social events for a bit (life is about food), not get irritated that he was grumpy on Halloween, not talk about his diet in public to draw attention (people will ask questions) and talk to him about it only if he first brings it up ("so how are you feeling?" And "you are doing great on this all liquid diet, yea for you" are not good things to say). I see how, now, when his body was failing him and scaring him, he wanted nothing more than to be "normal". Just my experience.

We have now been on a couple of trips, have found a few restaurants he can visit, and he is even going to a sports camp later (boost will be shipped to nurse's room for him to slip away to during the day).

You asked what he eats. Breakfast is eggs, scd approved bacon and tropicana Orange juice (scd approved bc nothing added). Lunch he will have lettuce some days (no school dressing is scd approved) ,fruit and carrots or broccoli from salad bar, a handful of raw nuts from home and then some have boosts that are stashed in his backpack during the day. Another boost or 2 after school before practice, followed by dinner of fish, roasted chicken, some beef, and some fruit and veggies. He has another boost or 2 before bed. I find empty bottles all over my house! The nutritionist in Drs office has worried he gets too much protein but with good labs the Drs felt this was a decent trade off.


I almost didn't post originally to you, Jenni, bc there is a contingent here that has had success Only with meds and it feels a bit awkward to swim against that tide. You are trying something that could work for your child. Hats off to you for being the mama lion and forging ahead!

Keep us posted.
 
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I'm almost 17 and I did it for 8 weeks when I was 15. Drank 7 Ensures a day. It made my symptoms disappear but the very day I started eating, the disease appeared aggressively in my mouth and lasted for about a year. So I was basically in remission for a couple hours. It was the biggest disappointment of my life.
 
I'm almost 17 and I did it for 8 weeks when I was 15. Drank 7 Ensures a day. It made my symptoms disappear but the very day I started eating, the disease appeared aggressively in my mouth and lasted for about a year. So I was basically in remission for a couple hours. It was the biggest disappointment of my life.

Oh that is horrible! I'm sorry you went through that. I hope you are doing better now.

Jenni: for my son the weight gain took time. He was in horrible shape, had lost maybe 20 and couldn't keep any food. The combo of EEN and prednisone got him stabilized. I think he started to gain weight slowly after a month and got back to his base weight in about 4 months. The height came in about 3 months, slowly, and then kept going. He has passed 6 feet and is still growing, per dr.
 
Optomistic: good to hear! You mentioned biopsy results would be back this week...do they also confirm full mucosal healing? Sorry for all the questions but I find this so interesting. My daughter appeared in complete remission and scopes were declared pristine but biopsies told a slightly different story:thumbdown:
 
Optomistic: good to hear! You mentioned biopsy results would be back this week...do they also confirm full mucosal healing? Sorry for all the questions but I find this so interesting. My daughter appeared in complete remission and scopes were declared pristine but biopsies told a slightly different story:thumbdown:

Yes the goal is full mucosal healing. We will do what we need to get there.

I'm glued to my phone waiting for biopsy results. Dr sent it off for review by a pathologist at children's cin with expertise in the weird presentation my son had. UGH!!

So your daughter had apparent clinical remission and a clean scope, and then biopsy or mre showed issues? Horrible. iBD sucks. :)
 
Holding my breath for you also! I really want the biopsies to confirm what everyone is seeing. I want someone to have success with diet and EEN alone. But yes, O has appeared in remission for close to three years, bloods all great, looks and feels great, GI said scope looked pristine. Biopsies however revealed "some" inflammation. Not an alarming amount but we are going to have to make a change in dose or schedule for her Remicade to get on top of it.

My other daughter tried the EEN and restrictive anti inflammatory diet. Once we got to 20% food her fecal calprotectin went up from 51 to 256 so based n that the doc is advising we not pull the Methotrexate. He said we could revisit the topic when she gets older but for now meds. Actually, if her levels are up with the next test it is likely we will move to biologics.
 
I hope nobody ever feels reluctant to post about success with diet. I think that in all of us parents we hope there is a way to leave the meds. So, even though those of us who have had failures sound jaded, or discouraging, I think it's just meant to voice an experience. Personally, I follow the diet research (anecdotally and research papers) very closely and still hope that it could work for us and other pediatric patients.
 
The SCD is our daughter's only therapy and she no no longer follows it strictly, but I know she does limit grains. She has been in remission for 10 years now, no meds! The diet did not work for our son who just started Remicade.
 
The SCD is our daughter's only therapy and she no no longer follows it strictly, but I know she does limit grains. She has been in remission for 10 years now, no meds! The diet did not work for our son who just started Remicade.

What is the SCD?
 
Yes. She is very lucky. It's essentially like she does not have Crohn's. She is an RN, works 12 hour shifts and is also attending school and she has an active social life..

Steroids put her into remission, she went on the SCD and never had another major symptom. She said that she gets minor tummy cramps if she eats improperly too much. She really believes in the diet.

One difference between her and my son, she only had diarrhea, never constipation, and his only symptom for 2 years WAS constipation.
 
When your daughter had her last colonoscopy was she declared in remission? That is so encouraging to hear. I myself have had crohns for 11 years which they found accidentally during an endoscopy for another reason. I've had no symptoms for 11 years. I have a hard time believing that I really have crohns. My colonoscopies show that I had active crohns and a moderate stricture. My MD put me on humira 7 months ago and now in remission. For the last 11 years I've been on a low carb diet which I think helped with my symptoms... I'm hoping that trying this EN therapy with my daughter that will put her in remission. It's been 2 days and she's begging me to just let her get the biologic meds. I'm hoping I'm making the right decision with trying this.
 
Firs few days are the hardest...well and the last few days (they get antsy for it to be over). If she was suffering at all, as soon as she starts to feel better she will be hooked.

All this said, if she is a teen and keeps fighting it, I think at some point you may have to consider her desires.

Sending loads of positive EEN vibes your way!
 
Hi jenni92475. How is the EEN going with your daughter?

Update here -for history, after prednisone and EEN, my son has been on about half EN and SCD. Recently had a clean scope, has gained over 25 pounds and growing, no symptoms, normal labs, neg gene and promethus test (sure I'm missing something important I should mention); have been waiting on biopsy interpretation, which was somewhat funky just as he has been all along (love when dr says nothing about your child has been typical).

Learned that pathologists at children's Cincinnati and children's Boston don't yet agree on whether there is inflammation in one area. So we wait. Does anything about this disease follow an expected timeline or sequence????

I raise my glass to those of you who've been dealing with this unpredictability for a long time.

Please keep us posted Jenni.
 
Hi jenni92475. How is the EEN going with your daughter?

Update here -for history, after prednisone and EEN, my son has been on about half EN and SCD. Recently had a clean scope, has gained over 25 pounds and growing, no symptoms, normal labs, neg gene and promethus test (sure I'm missing something important I should mention); have been waiting on biopsy interpretation, which was somewhat funky just as he has been all along (love when dr says nothing about your child has been typical).

Learned that pathologists at children's Cincinnati and children's Boston don't yet agree on whether there is inflammation in one area. So we wait. Does anything about this disease follow an expected timeline or sequence????

I raise my glass to those of you who've been dealing with this unpredictability for a long time.

Please keep us posted Jenni.

It's been almost 2 weeks and my daughter is doing pretty good. She looks healthier and gained a couple pounds. I'm a little confused on how we transition to food at 6 weeks. I talked to the dietician yesterday and she said at 6 weeks my daughter would get 50% of her calories from formula and she could go back to eating whatever she wanted. I thought that it was the food that was causing the inflammation and don't understand how she can start eating anything she wants?? Any ideas on this?
 
Food doesn't cause the inflammation crohns does
So when she starts food the inflammation will start to come back
Formula for some reason ( not understood fully by scientist ) induces remission and once food is introduced it comes back

There is a partial en crohns restrictive diet which is more than 59% formula with a specfic list of foods but this is used instead of full EEN to induce remission for 6 weeks .
What is the plan to keep the inflammation away ???
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24983973/

And Ibd-aid diet to ask about
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3896778/#!po=95.3704

But again food does not cause the inflammation
 
Agree with the chicken. Our GI ad dietician always said it doesn't cause the inflammation. Food can irritate an already inflamed system but it doesn't cause it.

When we transitioned over to food it was very slowly and very specific foods. Only whole foods (if it has a label don't eat it). No animal products (meat dairy etc).

It didn't matter. Inflammation still came back at 8o% EEN and 20^ restrictive diet.

All this said, look up anti inflammatory diet or foods. We have had excellent success using this diet with my older daughter to extend out her use of Remicade and help her gain weight and such. The doc can always tell when she is off the diet because her numbers start to creep up.
 
Agree with the chicken. Our GI ad dietician always said it doesn't cause the inflammation. Food can irritate an already inflamed system but it doesn't cause it.

When we transitioned over to food it was very slowly and very specific foods. Only whole foods (if it has a label don't eat it). No animal products (meat dairy etc).

It didn't matter. Inflammation still came back at 8o% EEN and 20^ restrictive diet.

All this said, look up anti inflammatory diet or foods. We have had excellent success using this diet with my older daughter to extend out her use of Remicade and help her gain weight and such. The doc can always tell when she is off the diet because her numbers start to creep up.

My daughter is already on 6mp. I was hoping doing this therapy it would help us put off remicade. Her ESR numbers were at 90 and the dr put her on entocort for 3 months and her numbers went down to 40. I will have to talk to the DR because my intentions of doing this were to hopefully not have to start the biologics. Im reading about the scd and I'm wondering why the dietician never recommended it? I'm wondering why we are doing this if the inflammation is going to come back??
 
Forgot you had her on meds
That is a different story
The EEN could knock out the inflammation that was too much for the 6-mp to handle similar to pred and then the low level inflammation will be kept at bay with just 6-mp

Scd in kids is extremely hard / and tends to have them lose weight .

Since 6-mp/AzA are known to have a higher cancer rate when used alone
Not sure why the hesitation to switch to biologics which has a no known cancer risk when used in patients who haven't been in immunosuppresants/decrease surgery risk (6-mp doesn't ) and increase chance of longer remission
 
Forgot you had her on meds
That is a different story
The EEN could knock out the inflammation that was too much for the 6-mp to handle similar to pred and then the low level inflammation will be kept at bay with just 6-mp

Scd in kids is extremely hard / and tends to have them lose weight .

Since 6-mp/AzA are known to have a higher cancer rate when used alone
Not sure why the hesitation to switch to biologics which has a no known cancer risk when used in patients who haven't been in immunosuppresants/decrease surgery risk (6-mp doesn't ) and increase chance of longer remission

Her dr wants to put her on 6mp plus remicade. I thought the risk goes up when you are on both?
 
I forgot she was on 6mp already also. In that case, I would think you are in pretty good shape. The imuunomodulators take a while to work. Therefore, docs start either a steroid or EEN to achieve a quick knock down of inflammation and hopefully clinical remission (EEN can get you even further to mucosal healing). This way, while you wait for the maintenance med to get to therapeutic levels you are still dealing with the inflammation. So it is totally possible that once you are finished with EEN, the 6mp will take over and you may not have to add a biologic.

This is similar to what happened with my older daughter. She was on Remicade and steroids. Every time we tapered steroids, symptoms came back. Doc wanted to add Methotrexate. I didn't. So we did a course of EEN to help the Remicade out. The EEN took care of the inflammation and Remicade was able to handle it as monotherapy from there on. We did eventually add Methotrexate but that was more for her psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis.

For T, once we weaned the EEN inflammation crept back. The doc had prepared us for that saying Mtx is only effective 40% of the time as monotherapy so it won't surprise us if we have to change therapies after this last fc test.
 
My son did six weeks exclusive EN and then, over a three week period, we gradually tapered down the amount of formula while we reintroduced foods. After the reintro period, he had no restrictions on his diet but stayed on half dose of EN (overnight thru NG tube) for the next two years. During this time, he was on nexium (antacid only).

The impact on his crohns was that the exclusive period eliminated much of the initial inflammation, after reintroducing foods, his inflammatory markers crept up a bit again. His ped GI wasn't too concerned at the time. However, during the two years, two MREs continued to show 20-30 cm of unchanged inflammation. (So, seems the supplemental EN kept it controlled but wasn't able to eliminate it entirely.) When we moved to an adult GI, he wanted to eliminate the simmering inflammation and started my son on remicade.

By this point, my son was moving away to university, did not want to continue with overnight feeds and GI did not feel it was necessary (I would've kept it going, if for no other reason than nutrition) but it was a hard sell going against my son and GI. My son compromised by agreeing to drink 1-2 Boost shakes per day. It's been two years now and remicade and 1-2 Boost shakes continue.

Another reason I pushed for the supplemental EN to continue is that I have read a study that showed a considerable increase in remicade's success if supplemental EN is used. I believe the participants were taking in an average of 1200 calories/day during the study.
 
RESULTS: Eighteen studies (among 4383 citations) met our inclusion criteria. Overall, the SIR for lymphoma was 4.92 (95% CI, 3.10-7.78), ranging from 2.80 (95% CI, 1.82-4.32) in 8 population studies to 9.24 (95% CI, 4.69-18.2) in 10 referral studies. Population studies demonstrated an increased risk among current users (SIR = 5.71; 95% CI, 3.72-10.1) but not former users (SIR = 1.42; 95% CI, 0.86-2.34). Level of risk became significant after 1 year of exposure. Men have a greater risk than women (relative risk = 1.98; P < .05); both sexes were at increased risk for lymphoma (SIR for men = 4.50; 95% CI = 3.71-5.40 and SIR for women = 2.29; 95% CI = 1.69-3.05). Patients younger than 30 years had the highest relative risk (SIR = 6.99; 95% CI, 2.99-16.4); younger men had the highest risk. The absolute risk was highest in patients older than 50 years (1:354 cases per patient-year, with a relative risk of 4.78).

CONCLUSIONS: Compared with studies from referral centers, population-based studies of IBD patients show a lower but significantly increased risk of lymphoma among patients taking thiopurines. The increased risk does not appear to persist after discontinuation of therapy. Patients over 50 have the highest absolute risk of lymphoma per year on thiopurines, while men under 35 may also be a high risk group. More study is needed to precisely understand groups highest at risk. The risks of lymphoma and potential benefits of therapy should be considered for all patients with IBD.

From
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24879926/
 
Individuals with IBD do not seem to incur an intrinsic risk of developing lymphoma. However, there is evidence to suggest that either alone or in combination with anti-TNF, the use of thiopurines increases the risk of lymphoma, albeit rarely. Many of these reported lymphomas occur concomitantly with primary EBV infection. Furthermore, hepatosplenic T-cell lymphoma (HSTCL) is a rare but concerning issue in young adult males with IBD who have been exposed to at least 2 years of thiopurines. Examining the rheumatoid arthritis (RA) literature, it is interesting to note that exposure to anti-TNF therapy with or without MTX does not seem to carry the same risk of development of lymphomas.[68–70]

Lewis et al. concluded that the relative risk of lymphoma for CD/UC compared with matched controls was 1.2 with standardized incidence ratio 1.32 (0.78–2.10) and that there was no evidence of increased risk of lymphoma in patients with IBD compared with the general population. In this study cohort, immunomodulators (AZA or 6-mercaptopurine) were only used by 13% of CD patients and 6% of UC patients.[71]

Several studies have suggested that there is an increased risk of lymphoma in IBD patients both on thiopurine alone and in combination with anti-TNF.[72,73] Beaugerie et al. studied a large prospective cohort of adults with IBD with median follow-up of 35 months.[74] The three groups included: thiopurine continued (5867) with 9% also on anti-TNF; thiopurine discontinued (2809) with 12% also on anti-TNF; and never on thiopurines (10,810) with <1% on anti-TNF. Duration of disease ranged from 7.5 to 10.5 years among the three groups. Twenty three lymphomas were reported (14 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma [NHL] and one Hodgkin's lymphoma) on continued thiopurines compared with two NHL in discontinued thiopurines and six NHL in never thiopurines. The youngest case was in a 20-year-old male. The multivariate adjusted hazard ratio was 5.26 (2.2–12.6) in those continuing thiopurines compared with others. Furthermore, ten out of 15 lymphoma cases in the continuing thiopurine group exhibited post-transplant lymphoproliferative disorder with EBV positivity. Only two out of eight cases were EBV positive in the naive thiopurine group. The authors concluded that the thiopurines increased the risk of developing lymphoproliferative disease with risk factors including EBV presence, older age, male gender and longer duration of IBD.[74]

Dayharsh et al. described a similar association between EBV and the risk of lymphoma.[75] In a retrospective review of adults at the Mayo clinic, 18 patients with lymphoma were identified: EBV infection was found in five out of six patients on thiopurine for a median of 3.5 years, versus two out of 12 patients never receiving thiopurines. The authors hypothesized that post-transplant lymphoproliferative disorder probably occurs because of reduced cell-mediated immune surveillance allowing EBV-infected lymphocytes (especially B cells) to proliferate.[75]

In the pediatric literature, Ashworth et al. performed a retrospective review at a single pediatric hospital to examine the relationship between IBD and lymphoma.[76] Among the 1374 patients, 58% had CD, 34% had UC and 3% were IBD undetermined. Two lymphoma cases were observed among 2574 patient-years of taking thiopurine (2 per 4441 past years of ever taking thiopurine). Both patients were male, aged 12 and 18 years old, with CD and UC, respectively. Both patients had been taking thiopurines (22 and 28 months thiopurine use) but were EBV negative. A third patient had hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis on thiopurines. Compared with the Surveillance Epidemiology and End Results Program data (0.58 per 10,000 patient-years) the rate of lymphoma was three out of 10,000 patient-years in total and 4.5 lymphoma per 10,000 patient-years on thiopurines. Interestingly, no malignancies were observed in 1140 patient-years of combination anti-TNF and thiopurine therapy or 694 patient-years of MTX therapy.[76]

HSTC lymphoma is a rare but concerning issue for medical teams caring for young adults and children with IBD. Parakkal et al. examined the US FDA adverse event reporting system database for lymphomas and use of biologic agents.[77] They found 25 cases of HSTCL. Twenty two (88%) had IBD; 19 had CD and three had RA. Ninety six percent (24/25) were on anti-TNF and immunomodulation. Seventeen out of the 25 patients were less then 35 years old, on combination thiopurine and anti-TNF therapy and 16 out of 17 were male. Three elderly patients were never exposed to thiopurine (two on anti-TNF and MTX and one on anti-TNF alone).[77] Kotlyar et al. reviewed published reports and MedWatch for reports of HSTCL. Thirty six patients were identified with HSTCL; 20 were on IFX and thiopurine and 16 were on thiopurine alone. The median duration of thiopurine was 5.5 years in the combination group and 6 years in the thiopurine monotherapy group. Twenty seven out of 30 were less than 35 years old and 28 out of 30 were male. All but one of the IBD patients with HSTCL had been taking thiopurines for at least 2 years before developing lymphoma.[78] HSTCL is a very rare but concerning issue particularly in young adult males with IBD, most commonly with at least a 2-year exposure to thiopurines and often in combination with anti-TNF therapy.

An alternative practice, substituting the immunomodulator MTX for a thiopurine in combination with biologic therapy, warrants consideration. In a recent review examining the long-term safety of MTX therapy in RA, Salliot and van der Heijde concluded that there did not seem to be an increased risk of lymphoma in adults receiving MTX monotherapy with mean dose of 10.5 mg weekly (range: 4.6–18 mg).[79] The majority of experience of combination biologic therapy with MTX arises from the rheumatology literature, where a biologic is almost always used in combination with MTX. Although the clinical trial literature has suggested a potential link between anti-TNF therapy and lymphoma,[80] longer-term RA studies suggest there is no association. Wolfe and Michaud led a large observational study of lymphoma in 19,562 adult patients, which included over 89,710 person-years of follow-up including anti-TNF exposure in 10,815 patients. This study found no evidence supporting a link between anti-TNF therapy, MTX or combination therapy and the risk of lymphoma in routine clinical practice.[70] This study is in agreement with an analysis of the linked cancer registry reports from adults with RA in Sweden by Askling et al..[68] Pediatric juvenile idiopathic arthritis (JIA) observational studies provide further reassurance.[69,81] Beukelman et al. observed 7812 children with JIA with 12,614 person-years follow-up. The standardized incidence ratio (SIR) for probable and highly probable malignancies was 4.4 (95% CI: 1.8–9.0) in children with JIA versus children without JIA. The treatment for JIA, including MTX monotherapy (SIR: 3.9 [95% CI: 0.4–14]) and TNF inhibitors (SIR: 0 [95% CI: 0–9.7]) did not appear to be significantly associated with the development of malignancy.[69] Most of the studies in the rheumatologic literature do not account for RA severity. This could be important because natural history studies in RA have exhibited an increased risk of lymphoma in comparison with the general population, primarily thought to be linked to high levels of disease activity.[68–70,80,82–84] In summary, large recent population-based studies primarily in adults with RA provide us with reasonable reassurance of the lack of an association between MTX and anti-TNF and lymphoma. However, analyses controlling for disease severity in adults and children with RA and JIA have been more difficult to conduct.

From
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/779246_11
 

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