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I'm concurrently being looked at for my thyroid as there is a coloid goiter on my right side of my thyroid (actually a couple small nodules) and they are in the process of testing for cancer/hypothryoid etc... and all the blood work is being done for the T3, T4, TSH etc.. also. They want to be sure before they put me on something like Synthroid for the rest of my life. This also started when my bloodwork from Jan 9th showed I was slightly hypothryoid, but since then 2 other tests have indicated I'm in normal thyroid range. Still there are small nodules on my throat and I was wondering if anyone else has encountered a relation with Crohns and thryoid issues.

My dad who's a pharmacist says there is some vague linkage between Asacol and goiters that shouldn't be ignored. He says the medicine itself is very similar to "goitrogens", or substances that tend to cause goiters. I shall know soon what is on my neck and what it's doing to my body....

Man, arthritis in my knees, goiters, a rapid heartbeat, bad skin, puffy cheeks, 50 lbs. of weight loss, the list just keeps going with this debacle....:ymad:
 
If its any help I was diagnosed hypothyroid 10yrs ago and it took them 18mths! My tests were either borderline, just below normal but never enough to warrant thyroxine they told me.

Things deteriorated for me and eventually they figured it out. I learned from that episode that healthcare staff need to listen to how I am overall and the details rather than relying purely on test results which was what happened there!

The medics I am now with tell me they think everything with me is linked from asthma to skin, to guts and thyroid.

Hang in there and continue to poke them for answers. After all they get to poke you enough!!

Hope you get answers soon.
 
thanks

thanks, yeah they do a ton of poking, trying to get the IV's and needles in (along with colonscopies...)

Glad it is finally stablized for you.
 
I work for a group of endocrinologist so I will ask the doctors about the link.
I did want to mention that I'm excited we have you here in these forums because that means you can get us reliable information about drugs, the side effects, etc. Maybe your dad would consider being a member so that we can ask him questions. I suppose that's a lot of pressure for one person though?
 
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here's something to start

I'll have to look into seeing about that, he lives out of state, I speak with him on the phone periodically.

Here's something he recently emailed me on thyroid and Asacol links as far as goiters, in case it's of any use to anyone else. I was on Asacol for 16 months before being taken off of it due to the new GI dr. thinking it was one of the causes of the worsening of my symptoms (since it actually can make diarrhea worse by causing the small bowel to secret more fluid and there isn't a healthy colon to absorb it).

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Here are several links and clips regarding colloid goiter/Asacol or mesalamine/Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. They are in no particular order.

In summary, there is not a lot of data to directly link Asacol as a cause of thyroid problems, but there is enough roundabout references to make me wonder anyway. It may be unlikely, it may even be highly unlikely, but I firmly believe that there are very few absolute impossibilities in medicine. There is a stronger correlation to the autoimmune component of Crohn's and Hashimoto's, however. Your diet and diarrhea may also have affected your iodine intake, absorption or retension, too.

"The sulfonamides bear certain chemical similarities to some goitrogens, diuretics (acetazolamide and the thiazides), and oral hypoglycemic agents. Goiter production, diuresis and hypoglycemia have occurred rarely in patients receiving sulfonamides. Cross-sensitivity may exist with these agents. Rats appear to be especially susceptible to the goitrogenic effects of sulfonamides and long-term administration has produced thyroid malignancies in this species."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogens

http://www.jcge.com/pt/re/jclngastro/abstract.00004836-199803000-00006.htm;jsessionid=HkGPYj75FnjQn1f1h0tyYLhxwvpl9dTQndpybBLk1SFx34ck4TdM!238297732!181195628!8091!-1


from http://www.microscopiccolitis.org/sallyread/id21.html :

"5-Aminosalicylates or 5-ASA

5-ASA is one-half of the drug Salazopyrin® (sulfasalazine.) It is the 5-ASA portion (the "active" part), without the sulfa portion (the "carrier" part). Research carried out in the past 15 years has shown that many of the adverse reactions to Salazopyrin® were, in fact, reactions to the inactive sulfa carrier portion and not to the active 5-ASA part. This led pharmaceutical companies to split the drug and manufacture just the 5-ASA part. In general, the 5-ASA group of drugs has the effect of Salazopyrin® without the same degree of side effects.

As with sulfasalazine, 5-ASA is used to treat mild-to-moderate flare-ups of IBD. It decreases inflammation and reduces diarrhea and may also prevent flare-ups of IBD in some people. Those with proctitis (colitis limited to the rectum) or colitis involving the last meter of the colon may find that 5-ASA is more effective taken rectally, rather than orally. It may also delay the return of Crohn's disease after surgery.

5-ASA is generally used now instead of sulfasalazine, if neither one has been given before. It is the alternative treatment for people who can't take sulfasalazine because they can't tolerate its sulfa component. Like sulfasalazine, 5-ASA reduces the production of diarrhea-causing chemicals in the intestine. Also like sulfasalazine, it inactivates oxygen radicals that can destroy tissue.

Side effects are essentially the same as for sulfasalazine, but they occur far less often. When the drug is first taken, patients may experience nausea, headaches, and diarrhea. Less common side effects include allergic reactions and abdominal pain."

This one seems to say that thyroid is NOT directly affected by the 5ASA-Asacol/mesalamine, but does refer to Hashimoto's.
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/show/415728

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimoto's_thyroiditis :

"Hashimoto's thyroiditis or chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis is an autoimmune disease where the body's own antibodies attack the cells of the thyroid.

This disorder is believed to be the most common cause of primary hypothyroidism in North America. It occurs far more often in women than in men (10:1 to 20:1), and is most prevalent between 45 and 65 years of age."

(Note that since you are a young male, you would be in the minority of those affected).


This is on 4-ASA which is para amino salicylic acid and NOT the 5-ASA, Asacol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminosalicylic_acid :
"Gastrointestinal side-effects (nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea) are common; the delayed-release formulation is meant to help overcome this problem. It is also a cause of drug-induced hepatitis. Patients with glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency should avoid taking aminosalicylic acid as it causes haemolysis. Thyroid goitre is also a side-effect because aminosalicylic acid inhibits the synthesis of thyroid hormones."

This also seems to indicate that your Asacol does not directly affect the thyroid:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesalazine
 
soupdragon69 said:
If its any help I was diagnosed hypothyroid 10yrs ago and it took them 18mths! My tests were either borderline, just below normal but never enough to warrant thyroxine they told me.

Things deteriorated for me and eventually they figured it out. I learned from that episode that healthcare staff need to listen to how I am overall and the details rather than relying purely on test results which was what happened there!

The medics I am now with tell me they think everything with me is linked from asthma to skin, to guts and thyroid.

Hang in there and continue to poke them for answers. After all they get to poke you enough!!

Hope you get answers soon.

Thats wierd, about 9-10 years before i developed crohns i had a 3-4 month period where my thyroid went crazy, like i was running a low grade fever for about a month, by the time the doctors figured out what was going on it fixed itself...
 
Well, had my appointment yesterday for this, and the doc is wanting surgery on my thyroid because the nodule, which turns out to be cold, is "good sized" as he put it. He wants to take out my right half of the thyroid because of it, but after consulting with my GI doc and using my own knowledge, it was decided that surgery would be wreckless, seeing as how my immune system is handicapped right now, and I'm medicated beyond hell....I'd be a sitting duck for infection and recovery would be risky. So Synthroid was decided to be the answer for 3-6 months, and we'll see if that makes the goiter go down at all...even with surgery it appears I'll be on Synthroid anyways for life, great a new pill. He's not too optimistic though on medication solving the problem, as the nodule is a little larger than that...it's four point something cm in size, and he said if it was more like 1 or 2, then maybe that'd be different...

still can't rule out cancer 100%, which sucks....says statistically with what he knows 5-10% of cold nodules like mine are malignant....fun.
 
How much are you on for Synthroid? I have crazy hypothyroidism, and the doctors are just kinda idiots basically! I've only been on one 0.025 pill everyday, even though my TSH level was almost 22 (when normal range I THINK is .5 - 3 if I remember correctly??
I've gotten retested again just recently, after seeing anew family doc, and he's concerned with it and says that is definitely not enough. So this can be interesting...

Hope you feel better!

~ Lisa ~
 
I am almost convinced that hypothyroidism is commonly a component of Crohn's disease. I have suspected that I also have this long before my Crohn's ever was diagnosed. Whenever a GP has checked, it comes out in the normal range. I have read that an endocrinologist is really the only specialist that can accurately diagnose this condition.

There does seem to be a connection with not just Crohn's, but other autoimmune diseases as well. Who knows what role it plays or why Hypothyroidism happens to begin with. Hard to unravel all of the various connections. I suspect a pathogen, just because there so often is one responsible for most disease. Probably a genetic component as well.

I really would like to have a thorough test from an endocrinologist to once and for all confirm or deny hypothyroidism, but given my current lack of Crohn's symptoms, I am reluctant to bother with it. Probably would have to travel a ways to even find one.

I have used smoking and large amounts of coffee to compensate for this sluggish metabolism for years. I guess it would be worth checking out just so I could quit treating it in this unhealthy way.

Dan
 
I should specify the doc I see for this is an Endocrinologist....what worries me though is he's peddling surgery because he wants more money or has a connection with the E.N.T. doc he's recommending me to use for it. I know I should try to find the best in people and not seek ulterior motives, but my personality hinders that sometimes....

I showed up as slightly hypothyroid in January, but since then have shown yet again a few weeks after as being "U-thryoid" (spelling?), or in normal range.

Once in a great while I can also "feel" this goiter, a VERY minor pain can surface on it if my head's turned the right way....this worries me too. It's not as noticable as it sounds, I usually have to point it out to people or they don't notice it on my neck.

Oh, and also, let me get back to you on the Synthroid dosage, I have the pharmacy checking on something for me, the doc check marked the "May not substitute" and I have them calling on that.
 
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To answer the point about dosage, it's 50 MCG pills, once daily of the Synthroid....

First one taken today....
 
I was diagnosed hyperthryroid at about the same time (2002) that I was diagnosed with Crohn's which was why it took so long to get a true diagnosis.
My primary care physician immediately gave me a prescription for a thyroid ablation, which I guess is neuclearly destroying your thyroid, and then I'd have to be on synthroid for the rest of my life. The other option was to have it surgically removed, but there was a risk of vocal cord injury, which I can not think about taking that risk with my career.
I remember her saying something about once you have thyroid problems, other medical issues just seem to show up.
I also remember that my PCP only had one blood test to check my thyroid level, but the endocrinologist had 3.
Luckily for me, I waited on the thyroid ablation (because it meant I couldn't be near my 2 year old for a week) and eventually my thyroid levels were normal. It turns out that I had thyroiditis, which is an infection, but it went away on its own. I was on a beta blocker for the rapid heart rate, but that's it. It (same symptoms) returned later (2 yrs? 4 yrs? I can't remember - I think with a flare) but disappeared in the same way. I did not have any thyroid problems with my most recent flare though.
Don't know if this helped in any way, but the short answer is yes - I have had thyroid problems with Crohn's.
 

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