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Hi there

I have Crohns/Colitis.

Everytime i try and eat healthily i end up doubled up in 2 for the best part of the day/night. I never get this with junk food. only when i eat brown bread, some nuts, some cereals (mainly shreddies).

I sometimes say to myself.. whats the point in trying to eat healthily when all it does is give me pain.

Its a dull, intense, throbbing pain that lasts for about 10 seconds then goes away for about 30 seconds then back again for 10 seconds.

Can anyone relate to this? and give me some advice because i do want to eat healthy foods without being in agony.

Thank you

Nicky
 
Do you have any strictures from inflammation or scare tissue? Fiber and nuts can cause issues like that with a narrowing.
Have you been tested for celiac disease?
 
Hi DJW

Ive had strictures and i have scar tissue due to inflammation. I find it hard passing formed stool so i take 1-2 fibre based stool softners a day to make things run a bit smoother.

But every time i eat brown bread im doubled over in 2.

Ive never been tested for celiac disease... whats that?

thanks

Nicky
 
If its only brown bread I wouldn't think celiac is the issue. Gluten is in a lot more than brown bread.
Click on the underlined celiac disease link in your post for details. I don't know much about it.

It could also mean brown bread is just not a 'safe food' for you to eat.
 
Thanks for your input, i appreciate it.

It seems every healthy food hurts my insides.

But i cant keep eating junk food or i will end up the size of a house haha
 
Try gluten free bread which is wheat and dairy free also as normal brown bread is said to be quite bad for you.
 
Thanks alot ella, ive never tried gluten free before. maybe i have a problem with gluten. but is there gluten in salad aswell? because i get the cramps sometimes after a salad.

i get these cramps maybe one or 2 days a month and they are genuinly excrutiating. they make me sick sometimes aswell.

I just want to know what it is

Nicky
 
Not sure about salad stuff far as I know greens are good and carrots also beets and swedes think some sauces have gluten though I'm not big on salad
 
Definitely sounds like you are taking in more fiber than you can tolerate. Also yes it's worth getting tested for gluten allergies.

I'm not gluten intolerant, but I can't eat a great deal of fiber myself or I get crampy and bloated and incredibly uncomfortable. If I'm flaring, too much fiber causes stabbing pains in my gut.
 
It's most likely the fibre. Fibre has always made my symptoms worse, and since having a stoma I can't eat much of it without a blockage. A lot of healthy stuff is high in fibre - whole grains, nuts, seeds, many fruits and vegetables. Refined food is far easier on the digestive system.

Gluten is only in wheat and a few other grains, it's not in fruits or vegetables, so if they give you these problems, gluten is not the issue.

There are some fruit and veg that don't have much fibre - bananas, avocados, most tinned fruit (tinned pineapple is one of the few tinned fruits that you might need to avoid; most others - tinned pears, peaches, apricots, etc. are ok), fruit juice, smooth vegetable soups. You may be ok with some vegetables if you cook them very very well (carrots and swede are easiest to tolerate usually, I'm fine with tinned carrots and tinned green beans also), and you may be ok with some fruits if you avoid any skins, pips and seeds. Potatoes without skin should be ok. Avoid dried fruit, nuts and seeds, but you can eat smooth nut butters.

With breakfast cereals, avoid muesli, bran and any other high fibre cereals (look at the nutrition info on the packet - anything over 4 or 5 grams of fibre per 100 grams is getting high). Low fibre cereals include Cornflakes and Rice Krispies. Shreddies are very high fibre!

With other grains, stick to white bread not brown. Same for rice, etc.

Protein foods you should be fine with if fibre is the issue, so healthy foods like yoghurt and other dairy products, meat, fish, eggs, etc.. should all be ok.

And as you already know, sugary and fatty foods tend to be low fibre, so you should be able eat those without pain too, when you fancy a break from being healthy. ;) Or olive oil for a healthy fat. :)


The only reason I'd question whether fibre is the problem in your case is that you're taking fibre stool softeners.

I find it hard passing formed stool so i take 1-2 fibre based stool softners a day to make things run a bit smoother.

Do you mean that the stool softeners give you loose stools/diarrhoea? Without them are you constipated (the stool is very hard or you have to strain a lot to pass it)? Sorry for the personal questions, feel free not to answer if it's more than you'd like to share ;)

You don't get this pain from taking the stool softeners, only from foods with fibre?

What's in the stool softeners? There is a slight difference between fibre and residue, so I'm wondering if that comes into it. Otherwise, perhaps the stool softeners on their own give you a level of fibre you can tolerate, but add in fibre in your diet as well and it's too much for your digestive system. If that's the case, it may be you can eat some healthy, high fibre foods without the pain by having them instead of the stool softeners.

You might need to do a bit of trial and error here. Checking with your doctor about the strictures and scar tissue may be a good idea too. How certain are you of the correlation between the foods you mention and the pain? Sometimes it's possible to see a pattern where there's only coincidences, especially if there are other factors that could be influencing symptoms - e.g. medication. But fibre is a very common problem, so this is less likely in your case.
 
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I can't eat whole wheat anything. And as far as fruits and veg, anything extra fiberous and dense, I am in agony until it gets out of my small intestines :(
 
Definitely sounds like fibre. I was experimenting with everything before I was diagnosed and shredded wheat turned out to be the worst thing I tried eating. Also tried Fibrogel which is soluble fibre meant to be for constipation and that gave me a load of pain.

As said avoid skins and seeds, and also juice with pulp. I eat lots of salad but I know some people have problems with tomatoes; potatoes were the worst for me for some reason.
 
Be careful with nuts. I believe eating pistachios put me in the hospital once because nuts don't digest easily and they got caught in my stricture, causing a bowel obstruction. Now I eat only nut butters. If you eat whole nuts, instead of nut butter, I would say to chew chew chew chew for a long time.
 
What kind of fruits do you eat? When I try to eat a lot of oranges or grapefruit it cause me a lot of pain. I think because it is very acidic and it aggrivates the ulcers in my gut.
 
Danico
Your problem sounds very familiar. Also you description of waves of pain. I have had one resection but again have some stricturing.
I made a drastic change to my diet about 4 mo ago and haven't felt better in over a decade. I gave up all grains, dairy and legumes.
I eat a ton of meat/fish. Fruits I mostly juice, but I can tolerate some fruits whole: strawberries, blueberries, bananas. I eat a lot of veggies, but mostly tolerate root veggies well roasted (carrots, beets, sweet potatoes, brussel sprouts). I eat almond butter, and seeds/nuts in small doses-well chewed. Still drink red wine.
I'm not saying it will work for everyone, but honestly my life has been so much better since changing. I try to stay away from packaged foods, and if it has more than 2-3 "ingredients"; I don't eat it.
 
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