Can Sjögren's have an effect of how things move through the intestines?

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Can Sjögren's have an effect of how things move through the intestines?

Srogen's syndrome has now joined my connective tissue disease list. My eyes are so dry, with red swollen eyelids, and underneath them, it looks like crinkly elephant skin! I have finally decided to splurge on the over the counter eye lubricant drops.

And then there is the mouth- the dentist told me that I have the driest gums he has ever seen. So... now a mouthwash lubricant. And then there is the nose, and the throat.

My question is hmmmm..... I wonder if this srogen's can have an effect of how things move through the intestines. Can it effect them? I would think so! Maybe that is part of the problem with things moving so slowly and getting stuck so easily around the scar tissue and adhesions underneath my mesh.

I just can't afford the rheumatologist, eye doctor, and all the others right now, so any advice on how to improve things would be greatly appreciated!

I did not know if I should put this here, or under extra manifestations. Decided here because my biggest question is about how it affects the intestines and other organs. Also, how do you tag a person? I would tag Isgs if I knew how! Thank you! :confused2:
 
About 30% of patients have diminished vaginal secretions and may present with dyspareunia. Involvement of the gastrointestinal tract leads to reflux oesophagitis or gastritis owing to a lack of protective mucus secretion, and some patients complain of constipation, which may be attributed to defective mucus in the colon and rectum.Box 3

As far as treatment, if it may interest you, it seems that for the eyes they suggest a panoply of eye lubricant and when those do not bring relief they suggest cyclosporine A eyedrops which have been shown very beneficial.

For the saliva replacement, apparently, the lubricant don't keep their action very long and the alternative would be pilocarpine hydrochloride or cevimeline. I don't know how compatible with IBD treatments these are.

The more systemic approach is a treatment with hydroxychloroquine. Biologicals are apparently not useful in Sjogren management at the exception of Rituximab that has shown some benefits.

I hope this can be useful for you.

Sources:
Venables, Patrick (2004), Sjögren’s syndrome, Best Practice & Research Clinical Rheumatology, vol 18, p.313-329.
Traverse, W., Chowdhary H., Parke, A.(2013), Chapter 54 – Sjögren’s Syndrome in Women and Health (2nd ed.), p. 821–836.
 
Wow, thank you! Hmmm..... I have a full bottle of plaquenil on my shelf, that was stopped before my last surgery. Have not been able to afford going back to my rheumatologist, but can ask my GP or hematologist. Are those things for the dry mouth over the counter?

Now I have something to research-protectove mucus secretion.
 
I believe they need a script. Maybe your GP could prescribe these for you considering you can't afford specialists right now... (I hate how american health system still seem broken :S).
 
And it's getting more broken! Last question of the night- any suggestions of what to put underneath the eyes? The skin is sooo dry, thin, wrinkly and itchy. I can't think of anything safe except for vaseline.
 
I think I would try olive oil. I don't use make up remover, this is what I use daily and I leave it on and it does not hurt my eyes at all (and I'm relatively fragile). Maybe this could help?
 
Hi there! For skin have you had a chance to try coconut oil? It has been super for me and can be used alone or under make-up. Super soothing! Can also be used as a make-up remover. Besides the face it works very well on the body, legs, feet, hands etc. With winter on the way dry skin can get dryer, chapped and hurt so give it a try if you can. I buy mine from Trader Joe's. A little goes a long way! Plus you can use it in recipes! Also soap can make skin worse, check out some of the natural soaps with rice bran oil, mango butter and honey.

Wish you the very best!
 
Thank you so much, ladies! Both ideas sound wonderful, and much more SAFE than medicine or something with all of those nasty preservatives. I do have some honey on the shelf- I am going to try that tonight.

Now the scary question... I was reading about dryness and decreased mucus production in the intestines. Saw a few pictures too! Very scary! It doesn't seem like you could do too much to help that. I have always been fairly brave, but when it comes to all of these GI problems, I am a coward ever since my colon perforated a few years ago. Any ideas on how to help that?

Everyone on this site is so helpful, and friendly. I learn more here than from any of my doctors!
 
I'm going to tag lsgs in this thread as I know she has sjogren's and probable IBD as well, so she might be able to help. lsgs, can you give any advice or input? Thanks! :)
 
Thank you, Cat! Perfect timing... I was talking earlier about these new dental problems due to the srogrens. I had a check up a month or so ago and the dentist said my gums were so dry....etc, etc. 2 weeks ago I had to get a crown on a newly chipped tooth. Last week, a little piece of the tooth next to it chipped off. And then there was LAST NIGHT. I woke up at 3am to go to the bathroom, and I brushed my teeth, because I had fallen asleep beforehand. I heard this PING sound and did not see anything. Looked into the mirror, and my front tooth on top, which is a veneer, was gone! (I have had the top two teeth veneers for 15 years or so.) I just do not understand.... and mind you, it is not like I am chomping on apples or corn! I am mostly an Ensure/liquid diet with soft food sometimes. Luckily, I found the veneer (had to take the sink apart at the bottom.)

The ironic thing was that I had had a band rehearsal last night. (sitting in the back of the clarinet section, with binder on abdomen, not being forceful.) I had said to myself, "Enjoy every rehearsal as though it were your last." Between hernias, and now teeth falling out, I think I am done!

The important thing is just that I want to do everything possible, to not make things worth. Sorry to rattle on and on!
 
Hi fozheart! Sorry to hear you've got sjogren's. I've got some survival tips for you ;)

Sjogren's does cause decreased mucus production in the intestines and as a result a kind of IBS-C type thing. A lot of people with sjogren's are on things like miralax. In our case though, where there is inflammation in the bowel (I'm assuming you have crohn's/UC or something!) then it's probably a totally different story and to be honest doctors don't know enough to comment. To be gross, I know I produce a loooot of mucus and I am never, ever constipated - I have the other problem! So I don't think it's a given that because you have sjogren's you're more likely to get problems, I would ask your doctor to be sure though.

I know you said financially it's not an option to see a rheumatologist but I would not underestimate the help a rheumatologist can give you. I always say they are the most caring, helpful and empathetic doctors you will ever meet and they really want to help you. My rheumatologist has been treating my IBD because my gastro is not interested at all! How messed up is that! There are also complications that can come with sjogren's that only a rheumatologist can monitor and it's so important - the biggest being lymphoma. 5% of sjogren's sufferers will develop lymphoma. I've been diagnosed for 4 years or so and I've had 2 cancer scans already. I see my rheumatologist twice a year to check up on sjogren's alone. So I would seriously consider getting one on board if you can!

As for dry mouth, as someone with sjogren's and also a dentist which has probably totally given away my anonymity I can tell you that 15 years is not a bad life for veneers at all. It probably has nothing to do with sjogren's and dry mouth that it fell out unless it is decayed underneath but you would be able to see that. Eventually that cement is going to fail and I would say you had a good run. If you still have the veneer it may be able to be cemented back in.

Saliva is really protective of teeth and when you don't have a lot it makes you prone to decay (there is conflicting evidence that sjogren's causes gum disease, personally I don't think it does) so I would be getting on a good fluoride toothpaste and mouthwash. Biotene do a range of products for dry mouth (there's production problems in the UK but I don't know about where you are) including a toothpaste that's gentle on the skin in your mouth. I find when I use regular toothpaste it's too nippy and the skin in my mouth sloughs off. It's so gross! You can also use sprays and gels to moisturise the mouth and make it more comfortable. I use BioXtra spray because it's quick and handy for me to use when I'm cycling. But it's trial and error. I can't say any of the products are fantastic and sometimes just sipping water is better. BE CAREFUL though doctors (and dentists!) do NOT know that most saliva substitutes are acidic because most people with dry mouth are older and have no teeth, make sure you do not use something like glandosane or salivix pastilles as I'm assuming you still have natural teeth! Biotene is neutral and I would say the best. It's not inevitable you will lose your teeth if you take care of them, you just have to be more careful than you would normally.

Eyedrops are a lot better than artificial saliva. I use carbomer eyedrops but they have preservatives so if you have to use them a lot you might want to switch to preservative free ones (they won't prescribe them for me on the NHS here!)

You mentioned hydroxychloroquine - when I was taking this I became very unwell and ended up in hospital for 3 weeks due to weight loss and ongoing severe pain. I read in a book about IBD (can't remember which one) that people with IBD struggle to tolerate antimalarials. Again, something not a lot of doctors are going to know so be aware. Some people find it helpful, it didn't help me one bit. When I was taken off hydroxychloroquine my gut symptoms improved.

One of the gastros I've seen said right away that sjogren's can cause a 'dry pancreas', after all it's a secreting gland like the eyes and mouth. I'm on pancreatic enzymes and I noticed a huge difference after I started taking them. It might be worth asking about.

One last thing - I would urge you not to go on sjogren's forums. By all means ask me a million questions but do not go on sjogren's forums! I don't know if it's the demographic of people that are normally affected (I was diagnosed very young which is unusual) but... I don't know how to put this nicely... The way they go on you would think they had a life threatening illness. Sjogren's SUCKS but it shouldn't disable you at all, unless you get a complication. The people on those forums all seem to relish being ill and are constantly posting about how sjogren's is similar to MS and trying to prove to each other how terrible it is when the reality is it is seriously rare to be more than inconvenienced unless you get a complication. The people on this forum are amazing, they have a great attitude in the face of a horrible illness but the attitude on sjogren's forum is about the most depressing thing I have ever seen.

My GI and rheumatologist argued with each other for a good year about whether sjogren's was causing my gut problems (now thought to be IBD, it was an easy way to pass the buck for my gastro) and eventually my rheumatologist said we just do not see people who are disabled by sjogren's, it is so unusual.

Sorry I have totally rambled!
 
Wow, Isgs! What a boatload of useful information! The dentist did get the veneer back in, and you were correct- it was just the glue that had worn out. Phew...saved me $1,160.00! I got the biotene to try, and I know that the most important thing is to just drink more water.

Don't worry- I would never go on a Sjogren's site.... I know what you mean about a lot of support groups just talking gloom and doom, and magnifying problems! This is the only support group that I have ever found that is so wonderful, helpful, personal and upbeat! Yes, so many people get overly caught up in their illnesses, and seem to thrive on dwelling on them, which makes them worse!

That is interesting about the pancreas. If it is dry, does that make digestion more difficult?

As far as doctors go, the first one I need to get in to see is my hematologist. That eill be a good start with blood tests- he is good about checking a lot of the lupus blood levels, and he seems to pick up things that are going on without me even saying anything. Plus, he checks my protein levels for multiple myeloma every 3 months.

Now, thanks to all of you, I feel like i know much more about this dryness syndrome, so I can take all the precautions to keep things as good as possible! Thank you so much! I hope that all of you are doing well! :)
 

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