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What is it with bloody cats!

Always had probs with cats, as a kid I used breed endangered birds (requiring a permit) an had issues of peoples cats jumpin on cage roofs at nite an scarin the birds while sleeping, they'd either fly straight yo hit the roof an die or fret an no longer breed or leave the nest an abanden the young.
Was never happy with cats

And now last 3 nights I've been woken by bloody cats fightining outside my window at like 3am grrrr
bad enuff cd can give broken sleep.
I then can't get to sleep for next hour or so cos my dogs are agitated an wanna go outside every two seconds to "chase the cats"
I'm also sick of findin cat poo all over the place, and not to mention the filthy buggers spraying over the front door. Or my car!!!

I keep my dogs locked inside at night so they don't bark allnight as respect for my neighbours, even when I'm home they only get to run around outside -locked into my yard by fences

I say you own a cat then respect your neighbours and lock it up!! Want to let it out? Then build a secure cat run, or don't hav a cat and just hav pics

sick of people sayin they responsble yet there cat runs loose all the time
how many birds do they kill? Or native animals?

Mite be time for a cat trap in my yard........

Sorry for the vent but after not gettin sleep cos my cd an now bein able to sleep but can't cos of screaming cats I'm rather p@@sed off
 
Maybe you should call animal control? There's a guy who lives in my neighborhood who sometimes lets his pit bull dog run loose. This big, mean-looking dog chases little kids, runs in the road, and is basically just a tragedy waiting to happen - either somebody's going to get bit, or the stupid dog is going to get run over. I've called animal control several times about the pit bull running loose. They always send someone right out. If they catch the animal and find out who owns it, that person gets either a lecture and/or a $$$ fine.
 
Hey Rob, are these cat traps humane? Our city has humane traps available and then you just bring the little kitty to Animal Services where they will give it a health check and put it up for adoption. Or, contact the owners if it has a microchip.

I feel for you, though; I live in a neighbourhood with lots of stray cats. If I owned a cat, I definitely not let it run loose, I would worry about it getting hit by a car or something!
 
That's the exact reason I keep all my little furballs inside!

I agree with calling animal control. They can safely remove the animals and tell their owners to take better care of their animals or find these animals homes where they can be kept safe and not bother the neighborhood. Don't take it out on the poor kitties though. They're just trying to survive out there!
 
I agree Rob, I've owned 3 dogs (none right now) but I've never been a big fan of cats. I also agree about the idiot owners who let them roam free. Where there are laws about this, they don't appear to be very well enforced. The National Audubon Society estimates free roaming and feral cats kill hundreds of millions of birds annually in the US, and perhaps more than a billion small mammals http://www.audubon.org/bird/cat/ There are even groups of people (really wanted to use another term there... ) who will capture feral cats, spay/neuter them, then LET THEM GO AGAIN, to continue slaughtering the native wildlife! Amazing how misguided (again, really wanted to use another word there!) people can be!

Yes, you occasionally will see free roaming, even feral dogs, and of course, that's wrong too (what really ticks me off with dog owners are the BARKERS, though! Sooooo many of those. Few things can ruin a neighborhoods peace like a perpetually barking dog) but to nowhere near the extent you do with cats. Ironically, while the dogs are more of a threat to people than are the cats, they pose nothing like the threat to small animals that cats do. They are just not as predatory. Irresponsible human behavior always irks me, but the "open the door at every night and let kitty out" routine is on my list of things that really rub me the wrong way. angry.gif
 
Yep David couldn't agree more

yea there are stupid dog owners too and IMO of you let a dog roam free u should hav it removed from u an never allowed another PET not jus a dog I mean anythin, hell they should be nuetered too so they can't hav kids as there obviuosly too irrispossible

barkers yea that peeves me people think it's o so natural - um no they're barking cos A) somethings wrong or B) they're lonely etc
I hate the chioua (??spelling) owners u know the little yappers they think cos they're small they don't bother or harm anyone, I know more people bitten by them than anyother dog and they are sooooo noisy

but cat owners.........
You get the few resposible ones - like yourself Marrisa, but unfortunatly they are way to few

I was in a breeding program where I took birds on verge of extinction an tried giving them a safe place to live an breed free of preditors an constant supply of food an water etc
we then shipped the babies to other breeders to interbreed them to strengthen there numbers and line
we also re- released once numbers reaches a decent amount

but having cats jumping on the cages and attacking the wire at night would really spook the birds- or worse scare them into flying into the cage roofs and breaking there necks
I lost sooooo many this way as did lots if other breeders
we started trapping the cats, unfortunatly about 7/10 times only to hav them return to do the same

yes my trapping of them is humane
but as I said most people don't seen to care and upon recieving there cat back from the pound they let it do the same
I caught the same cat 7 times once - needs be a 2 or 3 time an that's it you don't get it back

having a pet is a privalege - not a right IMO

I'm sure my cat owning neighbours wouldn't like me running around there house at night screaming on top my lungs
or peein an poopin all over there property??? Lol

Really it's not hard my mum had a cat - an I hate cats - and it was an indoor cat, never once went outside it lived to be 18yo and was very happy and healthy
at night we locked it in the laundry with a cat basket, food water an litter tray
so it was warm, safe, dry an had everything it needed at night Inc space to move around if she wanted
no out killing birds etc or peein on my car or front door or poopin all over my lawn etc or fighting

they say they love there cats, but do they really??
It's a dangerous place out there at night cars other cats and people fed ip with roaming/feral cats

my local pound is about to get very busy
 
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Rob said:
I caught the same cat 7 times once - needs be a 2 or 3 time an that's it you don't get it back

Really it's not hard my mum had a cat - an I hate cats - and it was an indoor cat, never once went outside it lived to be 18yo and was very happy and healthy
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You're more patient than I am. After catching the same cat the 4th time that would have been the end of it, I'm afraid. The native wildlife is just way more important than an introduced species. Not that I need to tell anyone in Australia about the impact of introduced species. Have you guys had one of those massive rabbit population explosions in awhile?

The cat's health is another issue. Free roaming cats are much more likely to be injured, pick up a disease, parasites, etc. Feral cats in particular tend to live short, miserable lives. It's just stupid, irresponsible behavior any way you look at it.

And good work on the breeding program!
 
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Nah barely see a rabbit here now days

yea I tried doin my part with the breeding but it started getting way to expensive (permits) special costs for freighting birds to other breeders, food an then the fact I lost 15 in one night to a cat
and I know it was a cat as i was in a tent in the back yard as we'd been havin trouble with a big Tom cat
became to difficult and then I started high school etc so all my birds went an my cages etc
 
i have four cats, and mine all go out wandering in the fields, they dont go through the rubbish for food.,they hunt, its their nature. they are felines and you wouldnt expect their "cousins" the tigers to stay indoors.
nature is all about finding food, preying on it and killing it to eat it. they make a noise at night because they are mating. this happens at night because they are nautrally nocturnal.
 
That's a very poor attitude

that's how native animals are desictated
cats are domesticated so nothing like a tiger
 
merrywidow said:
i have four cats, and mine all go out wandering in the fields, they dont go through the rubbish for food.,they hunt, its their nature. they are felines and you wouldnt expect their "cousins" the tigers to stay indoors.
nature is all about finding food, preying on it and killing it to eat it. they make a noise at night because they are mating. this happens at night because they are nautrally nocturnal.
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Why not? Dogs are related to wolves (actually more than a domesticated cat is to a tiger) and they can stay indoors. A domesticated animal that has been artificially selected by humans is not a product of "nature". If the fields near your home were in their natural state, with a full range of predators and prey, your tabbies would not stand a chance. Sorry Sharon, but you really couldn't be more wrong.
 
yep if I decided that my 4 Alaskan Malamutes should be left to hunt and roam around as their nature dictated we would probably have a few less cats, squirrels, chipmunks, rabbits and smaller dogs in a 20 mile radius. Maybe the odd lamb missing too.

But we really don't see the cats around here much anymore with all the Coyotes running about. TBH I prefer the latter.
 
not a poor attitude and you can think i am wrong, but its my opinion, and i am entitled to it.
as you quoted david." Free roaming cats are much more likely to be injured, pick up a disease, parasites, etc"
my free roaming cats have thier yearly injections, so dont get ill.
you guys dont like cats, thats your opinion, i love cats. end of story
 
Have you ever tried to put a leash on a cat? :D

Dogs have been domesticated for at least 15,000 years. Cat's have only been so for around half of that, so are a little more unruly.

I agree with Rob though. I also think everything he says about pets should be applied to people with children. No where do I get a humane child trap from...
 
Wow it's getting a bit heated in here! Personally I don't mind cats (though I prefer dogs) but why do I have to pick up after my dog when cat owners don't? If my dog barked all night I would get in trouble but it's Ok for cats to make a racket!

Also I don't get why you would have a pet that roams free all the time! Surely the point of a pet is that it lives in your home? By the way This applies to dogs as well as cats, there is a house near us that has dogs living in the backyard and I never see the owners interacting with them poor things :(
 
I'm for sure a dog person, but I don't mind cats. Just the ones that used to wake me up at 6am ;) But I had a water pistol by the back door for that very reason.

Also our dog would chase cats out of the garden, but she'd never catch any, actually, she pinned one against the fence once but didn't know what to do with it! So she let it go.
 
Rebecca - I tend to agree with your opinion on all matters!

Also, I am an avid cat lover and I would never let my cat roam wild, even if they had shots. I would be worried it would be attacked by other animals, run over/hit by a car, or bring in other animals that could have diseases. Plus, animals can develop weird allergies too believe it or not. My mom used to let her cats roam around in the fenced in backyard to satisfy their outdoorsy nature and one of the cats suffered a severe reaction from the oak trees and itched itself scabby and was all sneezy.

Sharon - you are entitled to your opinion, absolutely! Yes, David and Rob are a bit more extreme in their reactions than a cat lover might, but I am a cat lover too and I agree with them to an extent. :)
 
My cat kills all kinds of birds. She is a great hunter. Humming birds, doves, finches. She also kills rabbits. She killed some gophers the exterminator could not get rid of. She even caught a snake last month.

I have had outdoor/indoor cats my entire life. I have lost a few to coyotes which is sad, but I have no issue with them being outside and hunting birds and going as they please. This current hunter cat lives with my parents in a non-urban area. She comes in at night, but she spends her days killing (and usually eating) everything she can get her paws on, usually bringing the heads or random guts to the door step as a present.

I live in this city and my GF's cats that live with us are indoor only. Far to much traffic for them in the city to be allowed outside.
 
I know you mite think I'm extreme or a cat hater or what ever
but I like native animals over cats anyday of the week

cats are an introduced animal so the native animals normally don't tend to stand a chance
over here in Australia we are facing the extinction of several small animals - like the bilby because of cats

and one question, why should a cat roam and kill? Don't you feed it?
Most times they just kill for fun

but anyway my main point is that ATM - like now I'm being waken by theses pests cos they are fighting outside my bedroom window at 4am
I deserve the right to sleep at night
also my front door reeks of cat pee cos the bastards hav sprayed it
my front yard is full of cat poo I hav to pick up so my dogs don't find it an get some disease

people say cats are clean? Obviously it's Cos there doing there mess at everyone elses house

p.s my mums cat went on the leesh everytime she went to the vet
not a problem walked like normal
we had a neighbours with an indoor cat that would walk it around the block once a week on a leesh like a dog

but I say if a cat is to be let outside then it should be in a caged cat run
safer for all

my traps should be ready tomorow so I'll hav them set very soon
so over no sleep an cleaning up after them
 
merrywidow said:
you guys dont like cats, thats your opinion
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I don't really care for cats, but my opinion would be the same even if I owned several. I simply care MORE about the endangered wild populations than I do about the OVER population of a domesticated animal. And this is the opinion shared by experts in the field, as in the Audubon society link I posted previously. The Humane Society agrees, and the American Bird Conservancy states "Scientists estimate that free-roaming cats kill hundreds of millions of birds, small mammals, reptiles and amphibians each year. Cat predation is an added stress to wildlife populations already struggling to survive habitat loss, pollution, pesticides, and other human impacts. Free-roaming cats are also exposed to injury, disease, parasites, getting hit by cars, or becoming lost, stolen, or poisoned. Millions of domestic cats are euthanized each year because there are not enough homes for them. Cats can also transmit diseases and parasites such as rabies, cat-scratch fever, and toxoplasmosis to other cats, wildlife or people. A number of papers at their web site illuminate the problem well. You can go ahead and hold whatever "opinion" you want on the matter, but the facts are clear. Letting cats roam freely to destroy the local native species and spread disease is irresponsible pet ownership with very negative consequences, and should be treated as such under the law with fines and ultimately confiscation of the offending animal if the behavior continues.
 
Than call me an irresponsible pet owner. I like seeing my cat hunt and kill birds and rodents stupid enough to get in her way.
 
Creepy Lurker said:
Have you ever tried to put a leash on a cat? :D
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LOL! Yes I have! Everytime my cat goes outside!!

Actually, now that we live "on the farm" so to spreak, the cats are free to come and go as they please... as their main job on the farm is rodent patrol. (my hubby convinced me we needed them, btw, as I am not real fond of cats either...).

But when we lived in town, the cat went outside on a leash... just like the dogs did. (I have many friends who have had cats, and they put them on a leash outside as well....) It doesn't matter whether you are a dog lover, a cat lover, or a snake lover... these are PETS, not wild animals. Having pets comes with responsibility. It is natural for snakes to hunt too, but would anyone out there like it if I let my 6 foot boa roam the streets? Not to mention, there is nothing I hate more than digging into my garden in the spring and coming up with a handful of animal poo.

I think the key word in my post (sorry.. got a bit carried away there... :redface: ) is RESPONSIBILITY........
 
CrohnsHobo said:
I like seeing my cat hunt and kill birds and rodents stupid enough to get in her way.
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LMAO @ "stupid enough"... Good point and too true!!

David in Seattle said:
Cat predation is an added stress to wildlife populations already struggling to survive habitat loss, pollution, pesticides, and other human impacts
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You gotta come sit on my deck by the river sometime and watch my dogs torment squirrels... my dogs are WAY more traumatic on the "native wildlife" around here than the cats will ever THINK of being!! LOL!!
 
Cat Scratch Fever! I thought that was just something Ted Nugent made up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh0iDVsmLqw

man we all getting old.

you know if it were me a live trap would be the kindest of solution on my mind Rob. I think your showing a lot of restraint given the situation.
 
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This is a tough one for me, being a cat lover. I have always had cats and they have always lived in AND outside. Interestingly, the cats I have had for the past 20 years have never ever brought anything to me that they have killed. I read an article somewhere that it is only a very small percentage of cats that are regular hunters. Thankfully mine have not been so. They are well fed and have no need to hunt for food.

I also love native wildlife and birds. Around my place there really isn't much sign of native birds so I don't have a problem if these new two i have decide to hunt and get some introduced birds (they take over and cause problems for native birds too!).

I hear you on the annoyance of cats, Rob, they are noisy fighters. I keep mine in at night. Can't really do much about the poop. It is because they ARE clean that people find it buried in their gardens - dogs will poop anywhere! I imagine cat poop in the garden is annoying to people who don't have them. I don't really have an answer for that one.

I feel pretty strongly that animals should be able to be themselves and don't think it is fair to keep them cooped up inside. unfortunately you can fence in a dog but not a cat unless you have a caged roof on your garden as well!

The big problem is that there are too many cats as people don't bother to get them neutered. if people took care of this there wouldn't be all those unfed strays wandering around. It breaks my heart as these animals are very unhappy. I have just adopted two and they are very happy now!
 
Thanks Kenny

an yes they are live traps

I'll be setting them this afternoon (four in total)

all I want is sleep at nite an no cat pee or poo everywhere

least when my dogs go it's always in the same 2metre square area of my backyard not all over my yard

hoping I can catch the offending pests soon, and who knows if the owners are as stupid as they are to let em run free maybe they will be stupid enough not to go to the pound to look for them there - fingers crossed
 
shazamataz said:
This is a tough one for me, being a cat lover. I have always had cats and they have always lived in AND outside. Interestingly, the cats I have had for the past 20 years have never ever brought anything to me that they have killed. I read an article somewhere that it is only a very small percentage of cats that are regular hunters. Thankfully mine have not been so. They are well fed and have no need to hunt for food.
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My cat that hunts has dry food out 24 hours a day and gets wet every night. She has no need to hunt for food.

When she caught the gophers last month she sat next to their hole in the grass for hours upon hours for a few days. One finally popped its head up and she went for it, with arms down the hole but it got away.

The next day she was back watching and waiting . . . she didn't miss the second time.

I am always amazed at her patience and speed, especially now that she is over the age of 10. But I have also never had a more spooked cat. She is very cautious of everyone, never been much of a lap cat.
 
CrohnsHobo said:
My cat that hunts has dry food out 24 hours a day and gets wet every night. She has no need to hunt for food.

I had a Norwegien Forest cat who was like that, too-plenty of food but hunted every chance he got. I also had a German Shepard that would kill cats, opposums, gophers, rats, and anything else he came across too.

As long as the cats are spayed/neutered and have their shots then there's really nothing else you can do, aside from talking to the owners.

You can't blame an animal for being an animal. You can't lock up birds because they crap on your car, or get rid of dogs because they kill cats occasionally and bark all the time. You eliminate cats for killing birds, then you get overrun by rats. It's the natural cycle of things.
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I keep my dogs locked up at night so they don't bark an annouy my neighbours
it's not hard, you put them inside and shut the door. Dead easy

same can be done with a cat

my dogs have free roaming of my yards during the day behind locked 7foot fences to protect them and people etc
if they go out of my property they are always on a leed simple as that

if a dog is known as agressive then they are fitted with a muzzle while walking
why is it there are so many laws for dogs but not cats?
We have to register our dogs here but not cats

if a person jumps your back fence of your property they are tresspassing
I believe same should go for pets cats and dogs alike
they should be allowed to be captured and the owner fined if it's a repeat thing then they should loose there pet and any future ones

I like my house as is don't need someones cat using it as a litter box
I'm sure everyone here wouldn't like my dogs - or me using there property as a litter box???
Or to sit outside at 3am making a hell of a raquet - I'm sure most would come out with a bat or gun

and in any case I believe all cats should be fitted with a coller and bell/s to give the native animals a warning
 
I'm with Rob on this one. It's like Key West in my backyard with all the #$%&^* cats running loose out there. They crap everywhere so when I sit out back it's all I can smell. They dig in my garden and crap in there. They pee all over everything.

We are about to have some major work done on our backyard. I am not spending thousands of dollars to sit out there and smell cat shit all summer. I am going to have a serious talk with my neighbors, then I am going to have animal control come and get the two strays that cry outside my window every night. EVERY NIGHT.

And I'm an equal opportunity animal hater. At work we have incessant dog barking. Hate those little bastards too.

I guess it's irresponsible owners I dislike, not necessarily the animals....
 
ameslouise said:
I'm with Rob on this one. It's like Key West in my backyard with all the #$%&^* cats running loose out there. They crap everywhere so when I sit out back it's all I can smell. They dig in my garden and crap in there. They pee all over everything.

We are about to have some major work done on our backyard. I am not spending thousands of dollars to sit out there and smell cat shit all summer. I am going to have a serious talk with my neighbors, then I am going to have animal control come and get the two strays that cry outside my window every night. EVERY NIGHT.

And I'm an equal opportunity animal hater. At work we have incessant dog barking. Hate those little bastards too.

I guess it's irresponsible owners I dislike, not necessarily the animals....
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I must admit, I've never lived anyplace where there were so many free roaming cats that their bathroom habits were a problem. You must have a huge population where you are! How annoying, you have my sympathy. A number of people have stated this or that behavior is defensible because "it's just in the animal's nature". It's just in your car's nature to climb a curb and kill a bunch of people at a bus stop if you fail to steer it, but I doubt that defense would get you very far in court afterward.

Unfortunately, it's just in the nature of many human animals to be inconsiderate, selfish, and irresponsible.
 
Well, I bring my cats in at night, and I can see your points, Rob. I think licensing cats is a good idea, and the collar with the bell is a good, too.
My point is that at least in our area, there are coyotes, racoons, oppossums, red tailed hawks that all use my garden as a bathroom and make noise all night too, and there's not alot we can do about it. Feral cats are wild animals, too.
If the cats disturbing you are pets, definitely tell the owner about it as nicely as you can. I know it's hard when you're sleep deprived from being awakened several nights by fighting cats, but I've trapped the cats in my yard and get them fixed at a low cost vet and it pretty much solved the noise/fighting problems. It can be expensive I know, so maybe check a local feral cat society and see if they can trap and spay them for you for a donation. Just a few ideas for you, I hope it helps.
 
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I'm with Rob on this one. It's like Key West in my backyard with all the #$%&^* cats running loose out there. They crap everywhere so when I sit out back it's all I can smell. They dig in my garden and crap in there. They pee all over everything.

We are about to have some major work done on our backyard. I am not spending thousands of dollars to sit out there and smell cat shit all summer. I am going to have a serious talk with my neighbors, then I am going to have animal control come and get the two strays that cry outside my window every night. EVERY NIGHT.

And I'm an equal opportunity animal hater. At work we have incessant dog barking. Hate those little bastards too.

I guess it's irresponsible owners I dislike, not necessarily the animals....
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I understand the odor issues-my yard was the dame last year. FYI-Pet stores sell yard sprays that eliminate the urine/poop smell as well as ones that will repel cats/dogs and whatever else comes into the yard. It literally saved my garden and it's nice to sit outside again.
 
Cayanne pepper works well... not harmful to the animals, but if the dig in dirt loaded with cayanne pepper, they get a bit of a surprise when they go to clean their paws later! (I use it in my own gardens for my OWN pets... works like a charm! Now they smell it in the dirt and don't even go near it!)
 
Rob I hope you're informing your neighbors that you're putting out cat traps. This may help them decide to keep their kitties in and hopefully the only cat you catch is already a stray. I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if one of your beloved pets got out and one of your neighbors trapped it and gave it to some random pound or other person without your knowledge. It's just common courtesy in my opinion.

I know people around where I live wouldn't look too kindly on trapping cats because all of the neighbors let their cats roam freely. The only problem with that in this area are that they coyotes get them at night but that's the owner's fault for letting the cat stay out after sunset (most bring their cats in at night though). I used to let mine roam during the day but since we moved, they are strictly indoors. They do hunt because it's instictual. Yes they are domesticated but that doesn't mean they don't have instincts.

If I lived in an area with smaller endangered species, I wouldn't let my cat roam outside even during the day because all of my cats like to hunt but that isn't the case in my area.

As far as letting them outside at all, even during the day and not in an enclosed space, well most of us don't have the money to create an enclosed space, least not one the neighbors or landlords would be happy with, let's face it, we aren't all land owners. Does this mean that people who can't afford to create a kitty play place shouldn't be allowed to own cats? No. I think the main issue is to work on more programs that allow free spaying and neutering for those of us who are less fortunate to help lower the pet population. Less pets about means less cats trying to mate in your yard at night.
 
Silvermoon said:
Cayanne pepper works well... not harmful to the animals, but if the dig in dirt loaded with cayanne pepper, they get a bit of a surprise when they go to clean their paws later! (I use it in my own gardens for my OWN pets... works like a charm! Now they smell it in the dirt and don't even go near it!)
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That's all well and good minus the fact that he said that he has dogs. Naturally I'm sure he lets the dogs out of the house even for a walk on the leash and he wouldn't want his dogs sneezing the whole walk and feeling miserable. It's not exactly harmful but not ideal.

The sprays also don't work very well and I think are a waste of money since most likely the cats he's dealing with are already in the habit of spraying his property.
 
Caught one already
not even dark yet

no collar and no tattoo in the ear either

my dogs always hav a collar and are microchipped so any vet or pound can scan them and find the chip, they are also registered so on there collar are all there tags
they also hav a tattoo inside there ears which can traces back to me

this is all available to cat owners too, so when caught they can be contacted

I'll be putting this one in a holdin cage with water food etc and tomorrow morning it's off too the pound
resetting the trap again
 
At the end of the day, roaming domestic and feral cats are a major problem to native wildlife in Australia. Whether you are a cat lover or not that's just the way it is.

BTW Rob, rabbits are still are still a big problem where I live. The calicivirus did next to nothing in reducing their numbers. The upside is, the kids enjoy that great aussie tradition of spot lighting on the back of the ute!
 
Hey dusty

yep unfortunatly the native animals jus can't compete against a cat

where in aust u from?

Ahhhh bunny bashing lol miss that
not many that I see anymore tho I'm not really lookin for em either

well hopefully I've caught the problem or that I catch the rest of it later tonite
 
please can we keep this a debate of the issue in question, and not dismiss someone's opinion because it's different from your own...? also, please - no personal insults.

as has been said, everyone's entitled to their opinion.... and this is mine -

i have had cats all my adult life, actually even before then, i used to adopt neighbours cats and kittens and sneak them into my house. i think they are the most beautiful, funny, therapeutic pets one can have - and the one i have at present is my baby - he drapes himself over my shoulder and will stay there for as long as i'll have him there, purring into my ear and nuzzling into my neck.

for me, the thought of someone wanting to harm something like my pet is an alien scenario. i could never hurt an animal, unless it was physically hurting someone. here in the UK, i think i am right in saying that deliberately trapping someone's pet is illegal.

2 years ago one of my cats was shot with an airgun on the field behind us. the police took it very seriously - apparently under UK law, cats are property and therefore it was unlawful damage.

i understand that cats' mating howls are not nice, and if they disturb sleep then yes it's annoying. but we cannot 'trap' or get rid of everything that's annoying in this world. we live side by side with animals - they have as much right to be here as us, and a right to freedom - unless they are a danger to us.
 
In Australia, well at least where I live, it is legal to trap roaming cats. The authorities do not discriminate between feral or domestic. You only have to go to the local council and put in a complaint, they will also provide you with the cage trap. That's why my two spend most of their lives indoors, especially at night!
 
I think the issue of "hurting the cats" is being overly spun here...Rob is putting the effort into ensuring these animals are not harmed. He is feeding and watering them until he is able to take them to a place where they can hopefully be domesticated into an ideal living situation, not bothering other animals or people. In some places, it is ok to let your cat roam free (rural settings) when they are not a threat to endangered species. I am and have been a cat owner my whole life...so long as we assume responsibility for our animals then there should be no problems. The issue is those who do not...As for low-income pet owners- no problem, BUT if you cannot afford to spay/neuter your animal, get its yearly vaccinations, feed it and be able to afford emergency veterinary care should a situation arrise, then I feel you are probably not in the position to own an animal. Just like being jobless and broke with no supplemental income, it would be irresponsible to bring a child into this world...so why do it to an animal?

Just my input...not intentionally stepping on anyones' toes.

G'day!
 
I'd like to trap and remove birds. I am woken up by loud chirping birds, especially crows nearly every day. I can't remember the last time I was woken up by a cat, had a cat crap on my car, or my head.

Animals are animals, if I could trap and remove all of the animals even in the city that annoyed me it would be a pretty boring place to live.
 
I find your opinion offensive Karim but that's a debate for another thread.

@Rob - As I said, not everyone can afford micro chips. Here it costs $60 per chip as the norm. We aren't in the habit of tattooing pets in the US. As for collars, my cat would come home almost everyday without his collar. It wasn't too big for him either, he's just a little weazle and gets into and out of everything. I never let him out without a collar but he could lose it at any moment while he was out. I'd be livid if someone trapped my pet simply because the collar was missing. My parents also don't use micro chips or collars due to the price but they are all spayed or neutered. We've had cats poisoned all the time when we were young done by people who didn't like them even though none were able to reproduce. All I suggested is that you inform your neighbors because this could be their situation too and taking their animals simply because they lack income is absolutely outrageous. This could also include lacking income to drive out to whatever animal shelter they're shipped off to. The nearest shelter doesn't always mean they have room for the animals.
 
CrabbyRelish- Did not mean to offend you, only stating my position on topic as everyone else has! I'm guessing it has something to do with the income statement? Believe me, I'm probably on the lowest income level there is right now- NO income! And I'm not saying that just because one is low-income does not mean they cannot afford to LOVE their animals...I had to give mine to my father and close friend once I realized I wouldn't be able to FULLY provide for them for the time being. Neither was I saying they should have their animals taken away. We have several cats roaming around here and they don't bother anyone...but I do believe I would take a few steps if they were scratching up the cars, pissing on the door and crapping all over the place. Of course, the most logical thing to do is notify the owners (if they have one). Otherwise, a pest is a pest and an over-population of stray cats is something we can all be proactive about. We cannot do much about squirrels and crows being a nuissance...but these are animals we have not domesticated!

I am a veterinary technician and there are always several sweet ladies who will capture these feral cats just to bring them in for a spay or neuter. When I say feral, I mean FERAL!! We have to yield welding gloves just to get them prepped for surgery and them buggers can literally climb vertical walls and walk on ceilings lol...

We all have different opinions on this and I still respect those whose differ from mine own...and who doesn't love a good debate? ;)
 
CrohnsHobo said:
I'd like to trap and remove birds. I am woken up by loud chirping birds, especially crows nearly every day. I can't remember the last time I was woken up by a cat, had a cat crap on my car, or my head.
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Lol..."on my head" good point chrohnshobo...appreciate the dry humor.
 
karim said:
CrabbyRelish- Did not mean to offend you, only stating my position on topic as everyone else has! I'm guessing it has something to do with the income statement? Believe me, I'm probably on the lowest income level there is right now- NO income! And I'm not saying that just because one is low-income does not mean they cannot afford to LOVE their animals...I had to give mine to my father and close friend once I realized I wouldn't be able to FULLY provide for them for the time being. Neither was I saying they should have their animals taken away. We have several cats roaming around here and they don't bother anyone...but I do believe I would take a few steps if they were scratching up the cars, pissing on the door and crapping all over the place. Of course, the most logical thing to do is notify the owners (if they have one). Otherwise, a pest is a pest and an over-population of stray cats is something we can all be proactive about. We cannot do much about squirrels and crows being a nuissance...but these are animals we have not domesticated!

I am a veterinary technician and there are always several sweet ladies who will capture these feral cats just to bring them in for a spay or neuter. When I say feral, I mean FERAL!! We have to yield welding gloves just to get them prepped for surgery and them buggers can literally climb vertical walls and walk on ceilings lol...

We all have different opinions on this and I still respect those whose differ from mine own...and who doesn't love a good debate? ;)
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Believe me, I love a good debate. If you want to make another thread on the subject then I'll chime in for sure on the subject. :D

I agree that a pest is a pest and even domesticated animals can be one no matter how cute and cuddly they may be. I think trapping the cats is a fine solution for now but won't solve the problem, just as long as people are given the chance to bring their pets in so they aren't the ones heading to the shelters. I know that I would want to be notified.
 
@crabby
not sure who to notify
cats don't go from just next door etc the can travel for miles
I don't hav a close neighbour - the reason I bought my place for some peace an quiet - so I've got no idea where they're from

anyway, MAN o boy! When I woke this morning I went out to check and well I couldn't believe my eyes
one the traps was full, the biggest bloody cat I've seen, I can't get to close to this one as it goes mentle howling, growling and hissing and it bloody sprayed at me too!
I dare say this is a feral Tom cat
it looks mangy an filthy
plus the fact it's sooooo big, never seen a domestic this big before
so I've jus thrown an old sheet over it to try calming it and I'll wait an call the pound, they can deal with it, lol i ain't gonna even attempt it

so my dogs will hav to spend there morning in the dog run so they don't harrass it etc

you can carry on about noisy birds etc, but they are naturaly wild, infact we encroch on there habitat etc cats and dogs are introduced
they are pets so a totally different situation

I'd happily give someones cat back of i knew who owned it, it would come with a cleaning bill of my front door and yard tho
just like I'd bill a kids parents if I caught one doin graphitti
 
Also hav you ever been in a car that a cat has sprayed the windscreen vents?
It stinks!
Forget using your heater or aircond as the smell pours through the car
it's almost impossible to get rid of

my friends car was ruined by it $45,000 worth of car less than 2months old an a cat sprayed the vents
she couldn't drive it as it was that bad
ended up having to go to a car shop and sit in a shed with everything open with smelly fragrence all inside it for four weeks
cost a fortune
all because someones pain in the ass cat
atleast with a bird shit you can just hose it off
 
Yes, cause cat's were never wild, they just magically appeared in peoples houses as domesticated pets. Just like all sorts of tropical birds just appeared in parks in California, squawking and pooping to their hearts content, never having been owned/bred as pets.
 
I'm starting to be really mused at how heated this thread has become on such a random topic.

Rob - I'm sure you weren't expecting all of this, now did you? ;)
 
Yep wonders never cease
and ud be surprised how far bird migrate
but enough of that
your/were gettin off topic

I was venting about my yard being invaded

anyway guy from they pound came took cat number one I caught, it was chipped so they will contact the owner and inform them to keep it locked up from now on at night
but cat number two, wel they weren't keen/game on gettin near it
and they couldn't find a chip when they scanned it
it was decided to put it down before attempting to get it out the trap

it was covered in fleas, had festering sores/cuts all over it an yep it was an in nuetered Tom. Bloody big one too

Now I gotta disenfect the trap and the area it was in for safety and cos it sprayed peeeeeee uuuuu it stinks

hopefully with the feral gone my probs hav too
well see

So for those worried about trapping there are some merits
by removing a feral you actually protect the domestics, as the ferals will almost always beat a domestic up if not kill it in a territory fight
 
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So for those worried about trapping there are some merits
by removing a feral you actually protect the domestics, as the ferals will almost always beat a domestic up if not kill it in a territory fight
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That just brings up another debate entirely which I'm sure we all feel differently about. I'm more into prevention through spaying and neutering pets to lower their numbers, not killing the ones that don't have a tag or collar. Just because many people keep them as pets doesn't mean that they don't have any sort of right to life if they lack an owner. I'm sure that's not how you would put it though and I understand your views. I'll just make sure I know all my neighbors well from now on in case someone feels the need to kill my cat. Even some cats that have owners don't like to be near strangers, especially if they're locked in a cage. Funny how people don't shoot barking/growling dogs when caught.

In this case though I can see why the cat was put down and I hope that any other cat that you catch that doesn't have a chip or collar is approachable enough to get spayed or neutered and adopted out to someone who will care for it.

I'm not mad or upset in any way in case you thought I was attacking you.
 
That's cool
if it was approachable it would of went to the pound
the reason why it was put down was it was overly agressive even nuetering wouldn't fix that
it also had multiple injuries etc and bad fleas who knows what else
so it became apparent that no animal lover would hav this as a pet an allow it to get into this condition also the cost in vet bills would be quite large to fix this particular cat and seein it was chipped etc it was deemed it was a feral

as for the other cat it left in a cat cage safe n sound for a check over then contact the owners

I'm not out to kill anything myself jus capture and remove so they can be returned etc to there owners or moved to a wanting family where they can be looked after
all cats I catch go to the pound with a note enforming the owners to keep them locked up at nite from now on as there cat is a known roamer an pest

spoke to the people from the pound and they also gave me some plastic snap lock collars that need be cut off so I can put a note in the collar attach it to the cat an release it so the owner can then remove an read the note and keep them inside at nite
if I catch the cat again with or without the collar then to hav it brought to the pound to be dealt with accordingly
 
Rob, I think it was humane to put that poor cat down, it was suffering. That's probably why it was so mean...since the feral Tom is gone that should put an end to the yowling and fighting, and spraying.
I like your idea of the collar with the note attached too, I'm gonna pass it on to our local animal shelter, hopefully they'll follow suit.
Just a caution, be extra careful not to get bit, I was bit once while trapping and spaying the local cats and got a nasty infection. It didn't look bad and didn't draw blood so I cleaned it with peroxide and put antibiotic cream on it. A few days later it was VERY infected, messed all my Crohn's meds, has to stop MTX, got a flare...it sucked.
 
Mountain gem- a little advice from having all sorts of scratches and bites and the vet clinic I worked at- Peroxide does a good job at cleaning out wounds but has been shown to actually slow healing time! We started using hand sanitizer to clean it out (I know, OUCH!) basically the same as rubbing alcohol. Followed by Neosporin or the like. Just a little tip, WAY off subject but thought it would be helpful!

Rob- hopefully your cat vs sleeping problem is fixed. You went WAY too long without sleep to have to deal with this in your home! Good luck! :)
 
kenny said:
Cat Scratch Fever! I thought that was just something Ted Nugent made up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh0iDVsmLqw

man we all getting old.

you know if it were me a live trap would be the kindest of solution on my mind Rob. I think your showing a lot of restraint given the situation.
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Yeah Rob, the Nuge would definitely know what to do with those pesky cats. Can you say target practice? My wife's a veterinarian so we've got 7 dogs, 4 cats, 2 horses a cow and chickens. No I'm not kidding! A few less domesticated animals wouldn't hurt my feelings a bit.

P.S. I haven't got the heart to hurt any of them myself though.
 
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Well biggest prob was removed once the large feral Tom went
now his othr cats movin in on territory

all toll I've caught 7 cats
of those 7, 4 hav been sent to the pound 3 I caught twice- once with a temp collar
the 4th I caught twice without collar meaning the owner removed it so it went pound to

almost everymornin there is a cat in a trap wen I go check, frustrating
 
That frustrates me. Not only for your sake, but obviously it means some of these cats' owners don't care that their cats are being a nuisance!
 
Wow. What a discussion! I personally have 4 cats, all indoor and spayed/neutered, all were stray kittens when we took them in. It was either give them a home or they would be put down.
While I was in the hospital last month, a stray had 4 kittens under my house. I have lost my job, have massive medical bills and cannot take in another animal. So, I have tamed them enough for the local shelter to come get them and find them homes. The mother has lived in my neighborhood for years, but I don't know who she actually belongs to. So, once I have the kittens, the trap is going out. I'm hoping to catch the dad, too. He's a big, rough looking Tom. They will be spayed/neutered and returned to the neighborhood. I don't care who owns them, if they are irresponsible enough to allow their cats to have kittens in my yard, I can do what I have to so it doesn't happen again, without killing their pet. Although I love my cats to the extreme, I can appreciate everyone's opinion here. I hate finding cat mess in my yard and cats howling outside at night. That's why I have a trap. We have caught several ferel cats and diminished their growing population with the trap/release program. It actually works. I'm almost afraid to join this heated thread, especially as a newby to the site, but I do believe in pet responsibility. My father always said don't have them if you can't take care of them. I have really enjoyed everyone's opinions and hope I have not offended anyone with mine.
 
Yes well I'm hopin the pound don't get sick of me droppin of cats like everyday lol

caught another one just minutes ago caught it other day to so off it goes tomorrow
almost can't let my dogs out side at nite to go to the toilet as they end up jus running around chassing cats or smelling everywhere the cats hav been etc an don't go to the loo for ages
so I gotta wait til they satisfied an then bring em back in
normally they'd just run out go an come back in over in 2 minutes now can take almost an hour
be glad when these cats are all gone
almost temted to not worry about the collars an releasing them as the owners don't seem to giv a sh@t anyway they jus cut em off an let em go again
so why bother catching em twice??

My mate suggested shaving half the cat an then putting a collar on with a warning lol
maybe they'd take notice then but is a bit cruel, funny but cruel
 
punald said:
Does anybody offer an animal training services? in which they would train out pet?
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In what way? And what type of pet??

Most people I know just train there pets themselves, that's what I did

dispiline, love an food three best weapons in training an animal, never hit an animal with hand, stick paper anything thts rule one
no matter what they have done
If they bad etc I find a spray of water from a water pistol or something while training worked well or I locked them in laundry for few mins on there own then tried again

I never took mine to puppy school or obedience classes
waste of money an tome I thought
I know people that did an my dogs are more placid an well behaved than there's
all comes down to how much u want to do. If you don't spend the time trying then it will be useless
an no use gettin someone to do it for u cos they will listen to them not you

training isn't just a chore etc it's also a bonding with te animal and i think the bonding is 90% of the training really

jus my opinion
 
Rob said:
so why bother catching em twice??

My mate suggested shaving half the cat an then putting a collar on with a warning
maybe they'd take notice then but is a bit cruel
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a BIT cruel?
if this was in the lounge i would trully tell you what i think!!!!

words can not express what i think about what your doing, i have bitten my lip and kept quiet, but no more.
what you are doing IS cruel. and if you did that in the uk you would be prosucuted, and rightly so.
 
What I'm doing is cruel????

Explain to me what is cruel about removing a pest from my property?
Maye I should just let my dogs sort them out???

No what I'm doing is humane whatvthey cats owners are doing is cruel, to me an there so called beloved pets

I seriously don't know how u think I'm being cruel??? I'd like u to explain that one

i'm not sure if you've read this thread fully an properly but many years ago now I stated I was in a breeding program for endangered birds
I was pretty successful at it to, to the point where I was loaned some extremely rare birds to see of I could get them to breed
I had sone luck with some
now some of these birds being so close to being extinct were worth more than your house you live in, I never owned them just was trusted to look after tem etc
but some people think it's fine to allow there cats to run loose an create havoc in there neighbours yards at night
an hav no problems of there catventwtong anoter property an killing a neighbours pet, cos that's what they did!!

I don't own a gun etc as they're mad for one purpose only - killing, something I'm not into doing

if you Actually read my posts you'd see I'm using a live trap to remove them to a pound where they can be retrieved by owners etc if they care

if you think that's cruel then maybe the cats should be locked up at night
as for being persacuted well HELLO I'm in Australia! It is legal here the local pounds an council wil GIVE you a trap to use

you see over here we value native animals lives an the councils etc respect te fact not everyone likes there yard to be a cat litter box or to be woken by someones pet so they give assistance
 
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I shouldn't get involved, but I must say as an animal lover that I don't think Rob is being cruel. He has done nothing more than trap a wild cat without physical harm and transported them to a place that determines if the animal can be placed in a home or sick and needs to be humanely put down. Cruel would be using bar traps that will break an animals bone, to wound the animal with a pellet gun to scare it away, or trap it, put in a bag, and throw it in a lake. That would be cruel. He did not shave the cat, he just talked about it. And shaving a cat is not cruel. I had to shave one of my cats one time for health reasons and it did not hurt him at all. I think if Sharon understood what it is like walk out your front door everyday to the wonderfully strong aroma of fresh cat spray and step in cat poo on the way to the car she might realize that something has to be done.

I love me 4 indoor cats very much and do not let them be a nuisance to my neighbors. We also have ferrel cats that I trap and take to the shelter. If they can be tamed and get homes, great. If they are diseased or too wild, they are put down. They do not belong to anyone and if we don't trap them, by next year there would be over 50 cats roming around, looking for food and starving for lack of food., getting hit by cars, fighting, and spreading diseases. That is what I call cruel.

I hope I am not offending anyone. I have tried to explain my opinions in detail so you understand where I'm coming from. I hope we can all be friends.
 
I got to admit that if people got cats running amok they ought to be fined and prosecuted the same way dog owners would be.

It is nice he is going to all the trouble of trapping them. If they were other types of pests like rats or mice people would bait them with poison and think nothing of it. The only thing separating these things from pest rodents is people projecting images of cute house pets into the situation.
 
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The only thing separating these things from pest rodents is people projecting images of cute house pets into the situation.
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I couldn't agree more. And again, with the impact their predation has on native species, they are much worse. "Trap and release" is not the answer. The cats may now be sterile, but they are still present devastating wildlife. Trap them and turn them over to the humane society. If they can't be found an appropriate home, they will be humanely euthanized. Your concern should be with the native species, not the cats. It really astounds me how many people don't get this.
 
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Ever seen the movie Milo and Otis???

Every cat advert ya see too

cats can easily be trained just time an patients

my mum had a cat yrs ago we weren't allowed a dog but my brothers an me wanted a dog
so we treated the cat like one lol
it fetched played chasy came wen called sat etc
basic stuff but was stilled trained
 
I could never train a cat to sit. Got them to fetch and stop using their claws, especially during play time but couldn't do anything more than that. As for obedience classes for animals, I think their main purpose is training the owner rather than the pet cause like you said Rob, if someone trains your pet for you, they will only listen to that person and not you. :p So in the end those classes can be a good thing but is mainly for people who don't know what they're doing.

My old land lady used to have her persian shaved during the summer months because it was so hot. The first time I met her I was looking at the room she was renting and then out comes this cat with a huge head and huge feet with a puff on the tip of its tail like a miniature lion. I laughed so hard then realized that I may have just ruined my chance of getting the room for laughing at her cat but she started to laugh too once she realized what I was looking at and I got the room.

I'm glad that the trapping seems to be going well and that so far only one had to be put down. As for the owners letting them out again and again, maybe giving them to the pound isn't a bad idea rather than adding notes cause it isn't your job to go door to door for miles trying to find out who's cat it is and asking them to please keep it inside cause they'll most likely just let it back out. They can locate it at the pound in that case and the pound can tell them to keep it indoors.
 
Cheers crabby
yea my mums cat was a perssion cross chinchilla (spelling) so was a long fluffy thing no matter how well ya brushed it it always matted in summer so we shaved it lol plus was alot cooler for it seein it reaches such high temps here in summer

as for sitting hmmm well yea was a long ordeal bout 5 years it took lol
was easier to train it to walk on a leed lol it actually enjoyed that lol
 
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I couldn't agree more. And again, with the impact their predation has on native species, they are much worse. "Trap and release" is not the answer. The cats may now be sterile, but they are still present devastating wildlife. Trap them and turn them over to the humane society. If they can't be found an appropriate home, they will be humanely euthanized. Your concern should be with the native species, not the cats. It really astounds me how many people don't get this.
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I can understand Rob protecting the native species and why the neuter/trap/release would not work. But I live on the west coast of Florida where we have an over abundance of insects like flies, mosquitos, roaches, and various other creepy crawlies along with lizards, rodents, and God only knows what other kind of weird, small unwanted creatures. So here, having a few stray cats running around is a blessing. However, there is a difference between a couple of neighborhood cats wondering around and going home to eat and dozens of ferrel cats fighting and trying to find food. That is why the trap and release works here. It helps with the pest control by having the older cats catching bugs without having a fresh litter of kittens every few months and it weeds out any diseased animals.

As with our disease, similar situations may require different solutions. I love reading everyones different opinions.
 
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I live on the west coast of Florida where we have an over abundance of insects like flies, mosquitos, roaches, and various other creepy crawlies along with lizards, rodents, and God only knows what other kind of weird, small unwanted creatures.
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Bev - Just because they are unwanted and apparently useless to you and other humans, does not mean they are not vital parts of the ecosystem. All I can say is ever single group of scientists who have actually studied and spoken out on this, from the Human Society to the National Audobon Society, to the American Bird Conservancy and many others are clear on this matter. Cats should not be allowed to roam free and predate - period.
 
I have to admit that I haven't read this entire thread but I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here...

In my city we have a bi-law that prohibits cats to roam freely in the neighbourhood. You have have to have them tagged and if they go outdoors you have to have them leashed. We also have a limit on the number of pets you can have...I think it's 2 dogs and 3 cats (something like that). They also have to have their shots. If someone calls the bi-law officers on you for any infractions to these laws you face pretty heavy fines and risk losing your pets. I think this is a good idea! I'm not fond of picking up other people's pets droppings on my property (or worse when you're walking down the sidewalk...ick). I'm also not fond of hearing the cats outside at night mating.

That being said...I have a cat. She's only been outside on the balcony of my apartment. She'd be too scared to really go 'outside' lol

I figure if you're willing to let your cat roam free, then you're willing to let it go (whether it be run over by a car, caught by animal control, or caught by irritated neighbours).

Just my 2 cents...
 
Nyx said:
I have to admit that I haven't read this entire thread but I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here...

In my city we have a bi-law that prohibits cats to roam freely in the neighbourhood. You have have to have them tagged and if they go outdoors you have to have them leashed. We also have a limit on the number of pets you can have...I think it's 2 dogs and 3 cats (something like that). They also have to have their shots. If someone calls the bi-law officers on you for any infractions to these laws you face pretty heavy fines and risk losing your pets. I think this is a good idea! I'm not fond of picking up other people's pets droppings on my property (or worse when you're walking down the sidewalk...ick). I'm also not fond of hearing the cats outside at night mating.

That being said...I have a cat. She's only been outside on the balcony of my apartment. She'd be too scared to really go 'outside' lol

I figure if you're willing to let your cat roam free, then you're willing to let it go (whether it be run over by a car, caught by animal control, or caught by irritated neighbours).

Just my 2 cents...
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Cindy - The laws you mention make a lot of sense, and I like your Balcony Cat!

Your point about droppings is a good one. I have walked frequently in the neighborhood where I live. Not only do you see the piles of droppings (all I've ever noticed appear from their size to be from dogs) but what really gets me, is you will frequently see droppings IN A BAG! In other words, someone brought a bag alone on their walk, picked up the crap, then when no one was looking, tossed bag and crap on someone's lawn! And this is in what most people would call a "nice" neighborhood.

I'm not anti-pet, I'm pro-environment and pro-consideration for others. I prefer dogs to cats (I've owned 3 dogs), but few things are more irritating than a dog barking for HOURS on end. I have to admit, I've never heard the cat mating thing (I'll bet there's an MP3 of it for download somewhere... :lol:). What I really don't like is inconsideration and irresponsibility.
 
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I'm not anti-pet, I'm pro-environment and pro-consideration for others. I prefer dogs to cats (I've owned 3 dogs), but few things are more irritating than a dog barking for HOURS on end. I have to admit, I've never heard the cat mating thing (I'll bet there's an MP3 of it for download somewhere... :lol:). What I really don't like is inconsideration and irresponsibility.
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Well said, David! Inconsideration and irresponsibility...my two BIGGEST pet peeves (pun not intended ;) ) If everyone would be just a little more considerate to those around them, then we wouldn't face half the daily struggles we currently experience.

PETS INCLUDED!

Rob, don't let foul comments deter you. Nobody else will take care of you, but YOU!


Kari xx
 
As long as they are fixed I have no problems with outdoor cats. I have had outdoor only cats, outdoor/indoor cats, and now indoor only cats.

I have no issue with feral/outdoor cats as long as they appear healthy. At my last apartment I had a small cat that lived under my building. I cleaned him up and fed him reguarly and then left him to be.

When I moved into the current apartment there was a feral cat living in the garage and we had Animal control drop off a trap and we trapped him. He was very sick. San Diego shelters are no kill. So if they could fix him up then he could be adopted out, if he was to sick then he needed to be humanly put down instead of suffering in a garage. If he had have appeared healthy I would have let him be.

Cats can be very stubborn, but they can be trained. We got a new kitten of 10 weeks old on Friday and we already put the harness on him a little everyday to get him used to it, then we will attach a cord or string and get him used to that, and then a lead. Hopefully he will then be able to walk on a leash.

My girlfriend has trained cats to use the toilet instead of a litter box. They even sell a little kit to do it. Cats can be pretty intelligent little fur balls despite the aloof appearance they project.
 
I guess I have a different view because I live in a neighborhood where everyone has pets. 99% are indoor, but there are the few stragglers that I'm not sure who they belong to. When I first starting trapping the strays, I had 2 neighbors get upset, telling me that a couple of the cats belong to some lady around the corner that I never met. I said that's fine, but I don't want a litter of kittens under my house so if the owner won't get them neutered, I will. But I don't want to kill someone's pet even if they are irresponsible enough to let their animal out to roam. I guess I'm just too soft hearted sometimes.
I can also appreciate concerns about the ecosystem, but if you have ever been to Florida, the insects can be horrendous and disgusting. I lived in northern Idaho for a few years and was amazed that there were no bugs. Or at least not like they are here. If you are not proactive in your pest control, you will have cock roaches all over your kitchen counters. It's really gross. People have companies that regularly spray to kill the insects, so what's the difference in killing them that way or having a cat eat them? I'd rather have the cat than the poison.
 
I've also never seen a cat eat a cockroach but I'll take your word for that Bev. I have seen a cat kill a mouse however and trust me your little lovable furball is a vicious, heartless killer deep down. And he enjoys it!!! But hey it's just his nature. Cats will kill just for fun. Ours hunt under my bird feeders constantly and trust me it ain't cause they are hungry. Every stray in the country knows about the bounty my wife provides for our cats.
 
Beverly, I had a Norwegien forest cat and he would kill cockroaches, wasps, flies, and any other unfortunate insect that crossed his path. Once I went out on my patio and he had killed 32 flies (we have a neighbor who doesn't clean up after his dog enough). My cats have saved my vegetable garden by killing the gophers.
Cats aren't cruel because of their predatory nature, even though I admit sometimes it can be pretty gruesome. Instinct drives them to hone their hunting skills even if they aren't hungry. I place my bird feeders suspended from the roof to cut down on temptation, and so far so good.
 
dreamintwilight said:
I used to live in Florida and completely agree about the cockroaches. My cats fought over who got to eat them. Yuck.
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LOL! Mine would bring them to me and then drop them on whatever was in front of me as a gift. When I killed it and put it the trash, he would stare at me like I had rejected his gift, so I'd praise him and throw it away when he wasn't looking.
 
Mountaingem said:
LOL! Mine would bring them to me and then drop them on whatever was in front of me as a gift. When I killed it and put it the trash, he would stare at me like I had rejected his gift, so I'd praise him and throw it away when he wasn't looking.
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I used to let mine out during the day and he'd come back in the house with lizards in his mouth that were usually alive and hardly injured. I released all of them and some were brought right back in either the same day or days later. They were blue bellies or California Fence lizards. He brought them in my bedroom sometimes too. They run fast on carpet. :p I'm glad he mostly brought them in the bathroom that had tile so they couldn't run anywhere and were easier to catch. But some days I'd walk into the bathroom to a site of blood all over the white tiles and rugs thrown about and no cat or lizard in site cept for when I picked up the rugs and sure enough there was a lizard either stone dead of still alive underneath.
 
So many cats, so few recipes.

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CrabbyRelish said:
But some days I'd walk into the bathroom to a site of blood all over the white tiles and rugs thrown about and no cat or lizard in site cept for when I picked up the rugs and sure enough there was a lizard either stone dead of still alive underneath.
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My parents cat just leaves assorted bird heads, feathers, guts and other unidentifiable remains scattered throughout the garage. Pretty gruesome stuff. My parents try to take his 'toys' away from him before he rips them to shreds, but can't watch him 24/7.

That cat can sure hunt. Raised a little killer :hallo3:
 

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