Common threads in promising diets

[nogutsnoglory]

Many of us have been told or have tried a variety of diets that promise to help with symptoms or put us into remission. I'm curious to explore the commonalities between diets like the raw vegan, paleo, SCD, makers as well as any others which have been shown to be helpful.

Some observations:
-They all eliminate dairy
-they all eliminate wheat
-they all eliminate processed foods
-all remove refined sugar and extra salt
-All recommend food in its most natural state (organic, lean, wild, fresh).
-Many eliminate the use of nightshade foods.
-All recommend a healthy intake of fruits and vegetables.

 

[kiny]

SCD allows dairy though, cheese, yoghurt, etc

Paleo diet, I don't think it eliminates dairy either.

 

[hugh]

All grains are excluded in paleo and SCD, not just wheat.
Traditionally many grains were fermented (this allowed beneficial bacteria to begin breaking them down) or sprouted (changes nutritional content for the better) before consumption, but that is rare today.
So raw vegan could include grains as sprouts or essene bread (cooked at low heat, ie on a hot rock or in a slow cooker, (i think raw vegans have a temperature that they can go up to).
I believe the makers diet has a similar approach to grains.

Lean is not a requirement of paleo,
there is a faction (for want of a better word) that expound low fat and it is picked up on by the media because it helps the corporate war on fat.
If you eat less carbs you need more fat for energy.
The whole low fat is a bit of a misunderstanding. Wild animals have very lean muscle but store the fat elsewhere. since we just eat the muscle meat nowadays we forget that our ancestors valued the organ meat and fat as the most nutritious part of the animal.
That's the side of the discussion i've chosen to align with anyway

Dairy isn't paleo, but many paleo followers (fwoabw ) add it to their diet.

If SCD isn't working or only partial improvement is obtained, some SCD advisors (fwoabw) recommend avoiding dairy, eggs, nuts and sugars (honey/fruit) and chilli (a nightshade)
Some paleo advisors (fwoabw) also recommend (for all autoimmune diseases) avoiding eggs, nuts, dairy and nightshades if nessesary.

Once you have damaged intestinal permeability (and lets face it, ulcers are damage) then you are likely to have much more trouble with proteins in these foods (eggs,dairy,nuts) that normally wouldn't be a problem.

Grain fed animals have a higher omega-6, lower omega-3 profile and less CLA (conjugated linoleic acids - believed to be healthy) than grass fed.

Refined salt is 'bad' but unrefined salt is 'good' (in moderation).

they all exclude modern oils.........
"If it involves an industrial plant, multiple stainless steel vats, a deodorizer, a de-gummer, and the harsh petroleum-derived solvent known as hexane, I wouldn’t eat it."
Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/healthy-oils/#ixzz21GZmSSPL

 

[nogutsnoglory]

All grains are excluded in paleo and SCD, not just wheat.
Traditionally many grains were fermented (this allowed beneficial bacteria to begin breaking them down) or sprouted (changes nutritional content for the better) before consumption, but that is rare today.
So raw vegan could include grains as sprouts or essene bread (cooked at low heat, ie on a hot rock or in a slow cooker, (i think raw vegans have a temperature that they can go up to).
I believe the makers diet has a similar approach to grains.

Lean is not a requirement of paleo,
there is a faction (for want of a better word) that expound low fat and it is picked up on by the media because it helps the corporate war on fat.
If you eat less carbs you need more fat for energy.
The whole low fat is a bit of a misunderstanding. Wild animals have very lean muscle but store the fat elsewhere. since we just eat the muscle meat nowadays we forget that our ancestors valued the organ meat and fat as the most nutritious part of the animal.
That's the side of the discussion i've chosen to align with anyway

Dairy isn't paleo, but many paleo followers (fwoabw ) add it to their diet.

If SCD isn't working or only partial improvement is obtained, some SCD advisors (fwoabw) recommend avoiding dairy, eggs, nuts and sugars (honey/fruit) and chilli (a nightshade)
Some paleo advisors (fwoabw) also recommend (for all autoimmune diseases) avoiding eggs, nuts, dairy and nightshades if nessesary.

Once you have damaged intestinal permeability (and lets face it, ulcers are damage) then you are likely to have much more trouble with proteins in these foods (eggs,dairy,nuts) that normally wouldn't be a problem.

Grain fed animals have a higher omega-6, lower omega-3 profile and less CLA (conjugated linoleic acids - believed to be healthy) than grass fed.

Refined salt is 'bad' but unrefined salt is 'good' (in moderation).

they all exclude modern oils.........
"If it involves an industrial plant, multiple stainless steel vats, a deodorizer, a de-gummer, and the harsh petroleum-derived solvent known as hexane, I wouldn’t eat it."
Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/healthy-oils/#ixzz21GZmSSPL

What's wrong with eggs? The paleo book I have says it's fine.

What's the paleo argument against sprouted or essene bread?

 

[KatyBuckeye]

I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with eggs--if you aren't sensitive to them. The common threads that I see among diets that may help with CD is that they mostly eliminate foods that are known to be pro-inflammatory and may contribute to an imbalance of "bad" bacteria in the GI tract. I think each of these diets probably needs to be tweaked a bit as an individual may be sensitive to a certain type of food that is "allowed" by the diet, but serves as a trigger for that person. I'm following the SCD diet and I see the intro as being an elimination diet-- you start off with very basic foods that are not problematic for most people. As you advance the diet slowly, you add more variety to the diet and it helps you to recognize foods which may be triggers, all the while avoiding processed foods, added sugars, and grains, which are known to cause major problems for a lot of people.

 

[hugh]

What's wrong with eggs? The paleo book I have says it's fine.

Like i said - some paleo sources recommend against eggs (specifically egg whites).
This one explains the science behind paleo/immune/eggs.
http://www.thepaleomom.com/2012/06/whys-behind-autoimmune-protocol-eggs.html

What's the paleo argument against sprouted or essene bread?

Simply that before agriculture they were not part of our evolutionary diet so we are not evolved to eat them (10000 years being a short period of time).
Fermenting and sprouting make grains more digestible but do not make them absolutely safe and will never make them paleolithic.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/#axzz21Isx3udO
"...If you’re referring to its oft-touted ability to move things along in the inner sanctum, fiber has some unintended consequences. A few years back, scientists found that high-fiber foods “bang up against the cells lining the gastrointestinal tract, rupturing their outer covering” which “increases the level of lubricating mucus.” Err, that sounds positively awful. Banging and tearing? Rupturing? These are not the words I like to hear. But wait! The study’s authors say, “It’s a good thing.” Fantastic! So when all those sticks and twigs rub up against my fleshy interior and literally rupture my intestinal lining, I’ve got nothing to worry about. It’s all part of the plan, right?"

 

[hugh]

quote from an interview with Denise Minger (who?) food science blogger. i thought it was relevant,
"When we look at the diets out there (cultish or not) that claim a high degree of healing success, they all have a few things in common: along with emphasising whole, natural foods, they avoid vegetable oils high in omega-6 fats (like soybean oil, corn oil, and sunflower seed oil), they avoid processed grain products, and they avoid high-fructose corn syrup or other industrially processed sweeteners. This holds true for the paleo diet, the raw food diet, the macrobiotic diet, and even the plant-based diet espoused in The China Study. When a diet supports legitimate healing, it’s not because it omits meat or saturated fat or broccoli—it’s usually because it shuns those three big killers. Vegetable oils, most grain products, and refined sweeteners. Those things don’t belong in the human body, and virtually everyone can benefit from yanking them off the menu."
http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/denise-minger