Fiber and bleeding?

[hippie4lyfe]

fiber and bleeding?

I had all raw food yesterday but very pureed and soft stuff that wouldn't irritate my inflammations. Anyways, I just went to the bathroom and had blood again when I wiped. I know that during an inflammation fiber can irritate, but this stuff was all blended up, I didn't just eat chunks of veggies? I am confused now.

 

[Isla]

Bleeding or inflammation doesn't have to occur only with food irritation. That is why they call it a disease - not a reaction to food What you ingest will not always be the culprit, it could just be one of those days or it could mean your disease is progressing.

 

[hippie4lyfe]

It seemed to coincide with exactly after I ate all that raw food. Plus raw food places have tons of nut creams and stuff and perhaps all the nuts are tough on digestion. I don't know I give up! I don't know what to eat, when to eat it, how much meds to take. This disease is too challenging.

 

[D Bergy]

When I was flaring a while ago, small amounts of blood would appear randomly.
I just figured my part of my guts were like raw hamburger and fiber made it slightly worse, but it really could bleed at any time. Kind of like running a chunk of sandpaper over it.

Once the flaring is gone, I could eat most anything with no blood. I eat nuts, Blackberries and seeds do not phase me.

The inflammation is the cause of the blood, but the fiber makes it more likely to bleed. I think the term fiber refers to the property that certain food has to swell in your intestine, not necessarily the texture of the food. But both properties can cause a problem if you are flared.

Dan

 

[Isla]

Well there are two types of fiber, soluable and insoluable and nuts is already known as an irritant for Crohns. Think of the items that do not break down in your intestine - those are the things you do not want to eat, if it irritates your CD.

Ever thought of going to a nutritionist since you are a Vegan with a food related disease?

 

[Colt]

Fiber is anything that can't be absorbed into your intestines. Thin liquids can even be fiber. Just because it's not in a chunk doesn't mean it's not high fiber. Actually, what shape it's in when you swallow is has nothing to do with the fiber content. Though things like popcorn kernels and coconuts that stay whole through the intestines are even worse because they don't just make your feces thicker and more likely to clog, but they also have edges and points that scratch.

 

[hippie4lyfe]

I thought if I put my fruits and veggies nuts and seeds in a blender that the fiber wouldn't effect me. I guess I will try to limit my fiber intake while I flare. I know that fiber is great for colon health but not during flare-ups.

Isla - I haven't considered a nutritionist, I probably would if I found a vegan crohn's nutritionist, since that likely wont happen, I prob wont go lol.

 

[Isla]

No, nutritionists will help you even if you are Vegan dear. Why do they have to be vegan themselves, I am confused? I have a GI doctor and he doesn't have Crohns ....

They will help make sure you meet daily requirements with your dietary restrictions - both vegan and Crohns. If you go to a nutritionist and they aren't willing to work with your veganism (hehe I made a new word) then find a new one. But I honestly think a nutritionist would be your best bet due to your diet restrictions. It is much easier for meaties to get a balanced diet even with Crohns restricted diets. For vegans it is really hard because a lot of vegan food isn't good for Crohns. Shrug - I really think you should look into this.

 

[hippie4lyfe]

Thanks Isla I prob should, but I figure the advice they will give me will be too hard anyways. I am a college student, I don't really cook much, I am from generation microwave (nutritionists will be anti- warming up a soy turkey sandwich). But it tastes sooo good! I'll consider it, thanks

 

[Colt]

Just explain all that. Don't make assumptions if you haven't seen a nutritionist before. They'll have no problem with warming up veggie meats. In fact you're likely to be praised for your vegetarianism as vegetarians have a tendency towards studying nutrition and from most nutritionists I've at least heard 'It's healthier but most people can't hold to it.' Pretty much the only thing you're going to be told extra to do because you're vegan is to eat protein combinations like rice and beans and either take a multivitamin or eat calcium heavy veggies.

 

[hippie4lyfe]

colt if i strain the smoothies will that get rid of the fiber that might be irritating me?

 

[Isla]

Thats like saying if I made mashed potatoes I could strain out the starch. Straining gets rid of fibrous material - NOT fiber itself. Just like you can't strain protein out of meat.

This is why we are suggesting you meet with a Nutritionist / Dietitian. They will help explain to you all of this stuff as well as give you specific information on how to prepare the best food for your diet and it's restrictions.

 

[Colt]

No. Again, fiber isn't necessarily even solid. You could reduce it if you're taking out a lot of seeds though.

 

[Isla]

Well it's not likely he is going to cook his smoothies - as heat will break down some of the fiber but it might not be enough. I really think with his diet restrictions no one but a Dietitian should be giving him food advice. Vegetarians need very specific food combinations especially when they have a digestive disease. I am surprised his doctor isn't imploring him to see one already.

 

[Colt]

Very specific food combinations? Other than getting both groups of proteins I don't really know what you're talking about. We eat just like everyone else. I'm about to have some cheese sticks. I think I'll get some mashed potatoes and gravy on my way to work too. While at work I'm thinking manicotti.

Throw in rice or soy cheese and it's vegan.

 

[Isla]

:ylol2: That is just too funny.. I didn't realize you were an actual vegan. You do know that manicotti has eggs not only in the dough but in the cheese part as well. Not to mention cheese is made from dairy. Kinda against being a Vegan... from what you have written here and before sounds more like non-meat eater. Which has very different requirements.

oh and hippie there is the perfect smiley for you on the forum: :hippy: Though I wouldn't consider you as "hardcore" as a good friend of mine he lives in one of those nature communes. The ones that live off the land in like huts and gather their food from natures plants. He recently came back a little while ago because he put a hatchet into his knee and he was all alone in the forest. He is one different dude!

 

[Colt]

I'm not a vegan. I'm a seafood vegetarian. Hippie is the vegan and you can make vegan manicotti. They're even sold as frozen dinners by Amy's. You can make vegan anything really.

 

[Isla]

Nonmeat-Eater: Does not eat meat. May include eggs, milk, cheese. Most definitions do not consider fish, fowl or seafood to be meat. Animal fats and oils, bonemeal and skin are not considered meat.

And I was indicating that Hippie needs to see a dietitian due to his strict restrictions with complications of a digestive disease. Vegans are encouraged normally by doctors to seek advice from a nutritionist to make sure their diet encompasses everything they need while excluding those they find distasteful. If a doctor by protocol is supposed to make this recommendation to a healthy and active Vegan imagine the imperative if said Vegan has a digestive disease. I wasn't suggesting you see one, I was suggesting Hippie see one. The food combinations (meaning the variety and nutritional value) needs to be considered as well as the reaction of a Crohns patient. Suggesting that it is "easy" to make anything Vegan may or may not be true but that doesn't mean it is right for him or his Crohns. I.E. lay people should not give food advice to someone with such a restrictive diet.

 

[BWS1982]

I still respect a vegan, vegetarians, or non-meat-eaters choices, but I'd love to debate with a nutritionist who tells me egg whites and turkey breast meat is unhealthy. The standard belief in most circles about meat being unhealthy is related to fat content, and this line of thinking stems from the low fat era of the 80's and 90's....nutrition has evolved vastly in the last 4 decades, it's almost followed fads in alignment with low fat, then low carb, and now it seems low calorie (which is more efficient than either of the former in most aspects)....egg whites, chicken/turkey breast, most fish, and many other sources, are nearly void of any fat, and besides, the world of nutrition has evolved to the point where there's more emphasis on the classes of fats, especially with trans fats and Omega 3's being the focus in the new millenium. Saturated fat and the mono's and poly's (Omega 3 is a poly) are quite different, so if a fish product (which Colt will eat fish, which is a great choice) contains 4 grams of unsaturated fat per serving, and 0 grams saturated, that fat content 20 years ago of 4 grams would be seen no differently if it was saturated or unsaturated (well, to an extent)...now, this same fish is considered "health food"....

I don't mean to sound like I'm speaking with such an authority, or that I'm condemning Hippies or Colts choices (I actually applaud them for focusing on health in the first place, regardless of the methodology in place for them, not that it's wrong, just a different way of handling it, but at least in a world of sloth, they're handling it where most of the industrialized world is content with their LDL skyrocketing)....I feel there's nothing wrong with focusing on the right kinds of meats, that's my view, not better nor worse, as long as the result is optimal...a healthier person in the end. My Cholestorol on the peak of "healthy meat choosing" was 112 when tested, that's eating loads of animal sources, but choice ones.

/sermon


Anyways, I like how Isla says "shrug" when she's translating a "Eh, I don't know", as if we all typed in what we're currently doing as we're discussing/typing it, as if we're in person....It'd be like if I went..."Well, I forgot my simethicone capsule today, fart, and I think I really ate too many bananas this morning fart"

:lol:

 

[Isla]

HAHAAAHHAH OMG HAHAAHAHA Laughing that hard was BAD!!!!!! I never thought of it that way but I sure do type that way - probably because this is my only means of communicating to people, at least in a somewhat social sense. You can't see me physically shrug (or hear me fart for that matter) might as well get all the experience you can out of it

HAHAHAHAHAHA

shrug, cackle, itches eye, stops typing

 

[BWS1982]

smirk

 

[Colt]

When it comes to 'unhealthy' food it's a spectrum. There's nowhere to draw the line and say healthy vs. unhealthy. Just healthier vs. less healthy. You can draw the line at turkey, or you can draw the line at IV nutrition. Whatever balance of healthy food vs. ease of preparation, cost, and taste you're comfortable with.