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My DD8 has had 24/7 nausea for 5 1/2 months with a few recent episodes of vomiting. After 3 1/2 months, she started having abdominal pain. Joint pain that has escalated, resulting in episodes of knee joint pain in the morning or after prolonged rest so bad that it hurts too much to walk. She also started having a sudden slew of muscular-skeletal/tendon pain/injuries and several months of constant back pain, while previously she was active with no injuries. She also developed severe headaches with it that are responding to better hydration and physical therapy, though still problematic. Eye pain with double vision is part of the picture, too. The double vision likely is her having trouble controlling her strabismus, but seems tied into headaches.

We saw GI at Vanderbilt. He said he couldn't explain all her symptoms, but he could explain the nausea as Eosinophilic esophagitis. Kids with EoE seem to often have joint pain and headaches, too. He said he thought the abdominal pain was IBS and that he always recommends the child see a pain psychologist to "help the brain heal the gut" if it is IBS to learn relaxation/stress management/pain management, etc. He said he frequently sees generalized over-sensitivity if the kid has IBS, with frequent headaches, too.

GI scheduled an endoscopy and colonoscopy, though he doesn't suspect she has IBD. Though I was confident she did NOT have constipation, he said the abdominal x-ray showed a lot of stool and recommended daily Miralax to see if her symptoms improved. The labs to date are normal, with the exception of CRP. CRP is 40% above the upper limit of the normal range.

We had a brand new ped. due to ins. changes, with visit #1 being the GI and neuro referral. Visit # 2 was yesterday to discuss a rheum. referral. She asked me about the GI visit, and I told her that he suspected EoE (my interpretation of I can explain the nausea as EoE). She interrupted and said, "I read the report, and he said your daughter needs to see a psychologist." I agreed that he had recommended a pain psychologist if she has IBS to "help the brain heal the gut." I tried to take he wind out of her sails and said I thought employing relaxation and stress management and emotional regulation techniques to help her better manage the pain and help with symptoms would be helpful. Ped. then proceeded to tell me how "CT scan is normal. Labs are all normal. You're running around to all these doctors and nothing is wrong. She just needs a psychologist."

She agreed to give her a rheum. referral if I wanted it. Vanderbilt gave me a pretty immediate appointment. But I am concerned that her referral will state "nothing is wrong but psychological." Her referral to GI stated my daughter was not ill.

I'm changing peds. She also snickered at me, which I found derisive, and I feel uncomfortable with a ped. who would NOT want a child with double vision to see an opthal. or a child with headaches so severe and unresponsive to pain med that she required 4 ER visits to NOT see a neuro, normal CT or not.

Would you wait until the scope is done and hopefully have a diagnosis OR do you think the CRP 40% above normal is enough that the rheum. will be willing to examine her, without dismissing her and castigating me before she even walks into the room if the ped. has referred us as strictly psychological issues.

I'm getting a copy of the GI report, too. But I cannot imagine that he would schedule a colonoscopy and endoscopy if he had concluded that her problems were strictly psychological. I didn't find his presentation of his policy of recommending psychol. for IBS offensive or dismissive, so it's hard for me to imagine his report being so, though I haven't read it.

A friend who is a ped nurse recommended asking his nurse what the report stated and explaining our ped's interpretation. She said she would ask why invasive tests are scheduled if Dr. Acra actually thought her symptoms were all strictly psychological. (We don't know that is what Dr. Acra said in the report; he didn't say that to me.) Would you do that?

I know from reading posts that many of you have went through very frustrating, rocky journals trying to get proper diagnoses and care of your children, so any insights you can share would be greatly appreciated. I tried to stay very calm and respectful, though I have no intention of returning. I hoped that would at least avoid escalation.

Thank you!
 
Hi, welcome,
I am sorry you had this experience. I absolutly agree with your decision to change pediatricians. This woman sounds horrible. Obviously your daughters issues are not psychological. Her CRP alone proves that. I don't know what is wrong with these doctors. I would also ask for a copy of the GIs report to see exactly what he said and recommended. Good luck! Keep us posted.
 
I'm so sorry your Pedi acted like a jerk. These doctors don't live in our homes and see our babies struggle day after day. Only we know the whole story and I'm sorry your Pedi doesn't "get it."

Personally, I'd gladly accept the Rheumo appointment and use it as an opportunity to get another skilled mind trying to figure out what is going on with your child. Though we had a very dedicated GI whom I love dearly, our Rheumo had a better understanding of what was actually going on with my daughter (or what we now THINK is going on! lol) and has been most helpful. Rheumo's look for those extremely rare conditions, not just the obvious and most common ones.

Also, if you want a referral to an ophthalmologist or neurologist can you ask your GI? Our GI is the one that referred us to the Rheumo and ophthalmologist and got us appointments within the week.

Good luck to you in your search for answers! It is not a fun or easy path but we are here to support you!!
 
Thank you so, so much for your kind, supportive responses and validation.
I'm painfully aware that many of you have been through the same dismissive treatment by drs.
Fortunately, we already have our referrals for neuro and opthalm. The neurologist said the headaches weren't migraines, contrary to multiple ER physician's belief. He didn't diagnose the headaches as a type, but recommended we see a PT who has helped many children with headaches. Fortunately, this PT has helped her a great deal, without needing to resort to medication, which would have been the next step. We already see an ophthalmologist for strabismus, so fortunately, we were able to get an appt. pretty easily.

Thank you!
 
I don't blame you for wanting to change Ped. I would also be changing asap.
There is no way they would have scheduled a colonoscopy/endoscopy without reason - docs tend to be very reluctant to put kids through these things without believing it really necessary.
Ours was also a rocky start to finding diagnosis with various doctors believing it was psychological. We even had a GP tell us that "sometimes you just have to live with a sore stomach" :yfaint: and that further tests would only make it worse??? He wouldn't even refer to a psychologist as he felt even that wouldn't help. If one more doctor asked my son if he was "happy or worried at school" or if he was having trouble with bullying, I was going to scream.
I also went through all that with my daughter with one doctor thinking it was in her head before even doing one test.
Keep fighting - it only takes the right test/doctor to get answers. With my son it was the faecal calprotectin (only done "just in case") - the paediatrician actually apologised after diagnosis.
My daughter had her appendix taken out "just in case" and to give some tissue for testing, and her pain vanished!
 
CRAZY. I would change because even if the scopes show EoE or IBD, this GP will still have her same personality and be a thorn in your side.


HUGS
 
Just want to add to the chorus CHANGE! Also, I wouldn't worry about anything your ped potentially said to the Rheumy. Once you are in his/her office you are their patient and their responsibility. They will do their thorough exam and work up regardless of what the ped says. My very good friend is a ped and she says the specialists don't really listen to them anyway...I think you are safe there.

As soon as my daughter got her IBD dx her GI became our clearinghouse for all calls and referrals outside of the normal broken bones, strep, ear infection type thing.
 
Yeah that ^^^
Change change change
You can request a copy of all labs physicans notes etc.,.
From the hospitals medical records departments .
These are your child's records and the docs don't know if or when you ask for them.
You can then see the various reports etc..,
It helps

Second the Rheumo ASAP
We love ours as the doc is a second set of eyes and ears in addition to the GI
It really helps ...

Good luck

Btw our "old" ped at one point suggested I just needed to accept DS was just a "skinny kid"
Forget the fact he had not gained weight in over two years .

Go with your mommy gut .
 
Thank you so, so much for the validation and encouragement and for sharing your experiences. I decided not to even bother faxing her the abnormal CRP report -- we're not going back.

What floors me is that in the same breathe that she tells me that nothing is wrong with my daughter and that she needs to stop seeing doctors except a psychologist -- before the scheduled scope is done -- she tells me that kids with EoE have joint pain and headaches.

Thank you so much again.
 
Well isn’t that paed a dead set tosser! :yfrown:

I agree with a change. Two of the most important things to bear in mind:

1. You know your daughter better than anyone else. If your gut is telling you that something isn’t right then run with it. In your case something is clearly wrong but even if it wasn’t that clear cut it is far better to be proven wrong than to do nothing and be proven that there was indeed a problem. That is a guilt that a lifetime won’t shift.

2. When you have a child with chronic disease you spend an infinite amount of time putting their care in the hands of others. Whether it be during a hospital stay or for the long haul following a prescribed treatment at home that you carry out yourself. Because of this it is vital that you have the utmost trust and respect in the doctor/s making the decisions and that they in turn have respect and faith in you. I personally think it would be hard to surpass a doctor that listens and validates the thoughts and feelings of the person sitting on the other side of the desk.

CT scan is normal. Labs are all normal.

Well aside from the fact that this is inaccurate on the paeds part since your daughter’s CRP is raised, this was my daughter to a t, normal labs and CT one week out from emergency surgery.

Commonly in children with Crohn's, there may be a low blood count, low iron, low albumin, high platelet count, high ESR and high CRP. Other people can have just one or two changes present. However, for some children all these tests will be normal even when their IBD is active.

http://www.sch.edu.au/departments/crohns_colitis/

I hope your referral appointments go well and you have solid answers for your daughter’s suffering, bless her. :heart:

For what it’s worth my own daughter’s main symptoms were upper abdominal pain/nausea, knee pain, eye pain, headaches and a tendency to constipation. Whilst I agree that a psychologist certainly has a role to play in IBD for many people I doubt they could have resolved my daughter’s issues! :eek2:

:hang:

Dusty. xxx
 
Yes, it's time for a new doc. You must be feeling so stressed! My experience was the opposite, as I took my son to the dr thinking they'd just confirm he had the flu. Within a few days and a few tests later we had a dx. They just took over and I felt like I was standing there stunned. So, from my perspective, I would have no time for a doc that I felt wasn't taking the situation seriously.
 
Thank you so much for your kind replies. I want my daughter to see a psychologist to help her better manage the pain and the angst of feeling sick every single second. I fully appreciate, and applaud, that GI practices generally do involve psychologists to help these kids because of the mammoth challenges they go through. It's disappointing that the ped. had such an ignorant view of the role of psychologists in kids with chronic pain/med. conditions.

DustyKat, you are so right. I would feel tortured if I failed to pursue care for her, and she suffered because I dismissed her symptoms. Your child's experience is a chilling reminder of the importance of trusting your gut and persevering. I thank that's one of the things that I've appreciated most here. The validation and encouragement to continue pursuing answers and trusting your sense of your child's well-being, even if a particular test fails to reveal a diagnosis.

I faxed the CRP report to her allergist, who she has seen for some time. Though I hadn't requested a return call, he called and asked about the visit. I told him everything, including his advice that she see a pain psychologist. He said he agreed with that, while at the same time, asking to receive the scope results and reminding me that he would be glad to help if she has EoE. He also explained that since the SED rate was good, the inflammation would be from hours or days before the lab draw. He did say the CRP required monitoring, though.

Thank you so much! I wish all you and your children and families the best. BTW, thank you, too, for the link to kidswithfoodallergies. They have a great eosinophilic forum.
 
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