'Intestinal' Chicken Pox

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Just thought I would pass on some info from an interesting article I read in one of the newspapers.
Chicken pox "hidden" in our guts since childhood could be behind the thousands of cases of unexplained stomach pain and bloating in adulthood.
New research suggests this 'intestinal' chicken pox could even trigger stomach ulcers. Scientists have known for some time that following exposure during childhood , the chicken pox virus is locked away in nerve cells near the brain and spinal cord.
In most people the virus lies dormant without causing any problems, but sometimes it can break free, travelling via nerve cells to the skin, causing the painful condition shingles.
How and why the virus is unleashed in not clear but one theory is that a period of illness or a weakened immune system allows it to escape.
Now a study from Columbia University suggests the virus - known as varicella zoster - is also locked away in the nerve cells of the gut.
They believe that when it breaks free, it triggers pain adn tissue damage, and could be to blame for unexplained conditions such as IBS.
The idea of intestinal chicken pox is a new one says Prof Michael Gershon, one of the lead researchers from the university 'We are now trying to learn whether disorders of the gastro-intestinal tract that have perviously been of unknown origin are, inface, due to the chicken pox virus'.
The researchers conclusions are based on several recent studies. In the first, six children who had all had chicken pox were tested and whown to have the virus lying dormant in their intestines.
More recent studies on guinea pigs confirmed the virus can live dorman in teh gut and can be reactivated when the immune system is low.
In the latest study, six patiens with gastric ulcers were all found to have the virus in their gut following samples taken from their stomach lining.
One patient, a 16-year old boy suffering with a large stomach ulcer, was found to have the chicken pox virus in all the cells surrounding the ulcer after it was surgically removed.
Professor Gershon believes the virus could even be responsible fo runexplained patient deaths. The weeping ulcers that chicken pox causes on the skin could be very dangerous when replicated in the stomach and bowel, and could possibly trigger lethal bleeding, he suggests.
He also points out that IBS tens to occur in older people, raising the possiblity that a bout of 'intestinal chicken pox' has caused ulcers in their lining and prompted the disorder.
As well as triggerin gulcers, the animal studies also suggested that the viral attack could lead to 'pseudo-obstruction', a serious digestive condition where the bowel stops pushing food through the gut.
However the researchers caution that more human studies are needed to confirm if the virus can trigger this in people.
 
Which newspaper was this? I would like to read the article in its entirety. Some interesting news for sure.
 
Wonder if there's any correlation with the chicken pox vaccine? Neither of my kids had the chicken pox but both eventually had the vaccine...
 
It was in the Scottish Daily Mail (Tuesday, August 14th), I suppose they might have something online
 
The problem I have with this is, if there is ulceration, it is not IBS.

The chicken pox causes ulceration? Sure, I'm open to that. But that they then throw the IBS thing out there makes me question what they're saying. The major tenant of IBS is that the structure of the bowel is not abnormal. As soon as someone says IBS when there is a structural change, I roll my eyes.
They believe that when it breaks free, it triggers pain and tissue damage, and could be to blame for unexplained conditions such as IBS.
He also points out that IBS tends to occur in older people, raising the possibility that a bout of 'intestinal chicken pox' has caused ulcers in their lining and prompted the disorder.
:rolleyes:

UNLESS they're trying to say the gut completely heals thereafter and the lingering pain is the IBS and the bowel looks healthy. I could go for that.
 
Having shingles appear in late June and still recovering, I find the article hard to believe. If the blisters open and fluid gets on another part of your skin, the shingles spreads. So, if it is in the belly, I can't see how you would not have your whole stomach consumed by it and how woudl you be able to stop it? By the time mine appeared on my face, the doc said it had been in my system approx a week. Thursday some spots appeared on my forehead and were a little reddish, each day a little more aggressive until Monday, where blisters were hanging off my eye and thankfully doc diagnosed and I was on meds right away. Next day spread was arrested and it did not get worse. However, I can say the pain in my ear, head, etc. was numbing to the point of me not being able to function. That being said, I would find it hard to imagine how it could be in our belly, getting it identified as shingles (took me a few days before I knew my face marks were something to be concerned about and eventually went to do) and getting it in remission. It is now late August and I still have the marks on my forehead and doc says no working out until it is completely gone. I can't imagine how one would be able to diagnose stomach shingles. The pain is nerve pain and if it radiated from belly I would see people being opened up left and right, since the pain is incredibly bad and a complete feeling of exhaustion. Not truly the same or even similar to Crohns.

Both are autoimmune diseases (shingles/crohns), but the similarities are a bit too different for me to agree with the theory. I would suggest that the autoimmune of one disease may leave one predisposed to another, but I can't see shingles in the belly and getting it diagnosed before it would possibly permanently disable you. Had I not been at doc on that Monday, i could have gone blind in that eye permanently. Since it was a quick appearance and took a few days to realize it wasn't an allergic reaction to something and more serious, I could not see having stomach issues identifying it quickly enough as shingles to get on the antiviral meds and reverse the disease.

For whatever it's worth....
 
Clearly this article is spotty, but has got me thinking.... neither of my kids had chicken pox, both had the vaccine at 1 year old. I had them get boosters in 2008 when chicken pox was going around school. Alex got his first fistula about a year later. Sure it's just coincidence, but does make me wonder. It is a live vaccine. I got a patch of shingles when my older kid got the vaccine at 1yr old and I took an antiviral. That was before Alex ever came along. I'm curious, have anti-virals been tried for Crohn's? As far as I understand it, they haven't detected a virus as a cause, but maybe chicken pox is discounted. Alex's had a weak immune system til Crohns presented.
 
My son is now 8. He has uc I he never showed a single symptom until he got chicken pox when he was 13 months. Then it started almost immediately the doctors have always told me no way was that the cause. I have always belived that to be the cause. I hope someone researches these kids and chicken pox closer if it could stop just one kid from suffering. It would be worth it.
 
Our daughter had bowel symptoms in Dec. which led to her eventual diagnosis of Crohn's. Her chicken pox happened in Jan. One of her sibs had the chicken pox a few weeks before her, so it was around the house, but her IBD symptoms preceded her episode of the Chicken Pox. However the timing was close, so if it was dormant in the system first? Although even with the roughly 2 week incubation period for chicken pox, her IBD symptoms were first.

FWIW
 
I have another child who never really has been feeling well since the Chicken Pox went around the house this winter, either. Missed many days of school for tummy aches and still complains of them almost daily (6 months plus later). I guess with his sister diagnosed we should watch carefully.

I wonder if there is a connection? It's intriguing anyway.
 
DS had the vaccine as a baby - never had the chicken pox - so on his case - no correlation.
Didn't she have the vaccine for chicken pox as a baby ?
 
Our children didn't have the vaccine, although they have had all the other routine vaccinations. I've been a parent for about 20 years and the kids range from 2-19 years. I figured it didn't hurt the older kids to get chicken pox, so I didn't worry about vaccinating the younger ones. In retrospect though, having had 5 children have a terrible case of chicken pox in the space of a month was a nightmare to say the least. I would've done it differently if I had to do it over. Hopefully that decision didn't seriously affect anyone's health.
 
I was just asking - no judgement - since some kids get a milder version of chicken pox when they only have the first shot as a baby but haven't gotten the second shot yet.
Also if she had the shot then immunodeficiency would be something to look into ....
This happened (with other diseases) to a mom or two here -turns out it wasn't crohn's as the main cause.
Hope that makes sense .
 
Interesting question with the immunodeficiency angle.

No offense taken. Sometimes my responses can ramble.:)
 
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