Our experience with Peptamen, inulin, and NG tube feeding

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My daughter E is just finishing her 6th week of EN via NG tube. I wanted to write a little about our experience so far, because she had an issue that maybe others might also have.

The main thing I wanted to share is that--after a lot of trial and error--we realized that E can't tolerate the prebiotic (inulin) used in many of the Peptamen products, including Peptamen Jr 1.5. When she was on Peptamen Jr 1.5, she had a lot of cramping and diarrhea, which we thought at first was just due to her not being able to tolerate the higher calorie density. But it turns out she's fine on adult Peptamen 1.5, which doesn't contain inulin; she has no stomach pain and no diarrhea. Luckily, she's almost 13, and her doctor is OK with her using the adult formula.

Peptamen Jr 1.0 doesn't have inulin either, and she did fine with that too, but with the adult 1.5 formula, she doesn't have to be attached to the pump for as long each day.

Inulin intolerance is actually fairly common (and being more noticed now that inulin is being added to so many food products), so it's something to think about if your child is having problems with a particular formula. Peptamen isn't the only brand that includes inulin in some of their products.

Anyway, once we figured out to use the adult Peptamen 1.5, things have gone well. E gets about 2000 calories a day from formula, and she's allowed to eat about 200 calories a day of regular food. Her weight has gone from 70 to 82 pounds in 6 weeks.

A couple more observations...

E is a very sensitive and anxious kid, and we never imagined that she would tolerate the NG tube as well as she has. The insertion wasn't easy for her, but it wasn't bad either (it was done with a small 8-fr tube in a children's hospital, with lidocaine and nitrous oxide). The first 2 days it was in, she was not happy; her throat was sore, and she felt a little like she was choking. But after those 2 days, she really hardly notices it.

Finally, I just wanted to say that I wish I hadn't used the NG tube as a kind of threat early on when trying to get my daughter to drink nutrition shakes. My husband and I would say things like "you have to try to drink this so you don't have to get an NG tube," thinking that that would give her more motivation to drink them, and not imagining that she would actually need a tube. So when she needed a tube despite her best efforts, we felt like terrible parents, and spent a lot of time reassuring her that it wasn't her fault that she needed it. And she was more anxious about the tube since we'd always made it seem like this hard thing that she should try to avoid. Ugh. We try not to say things like that any more...
 
Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us.

These kids are so amazing a what they can handle.
it puts most adults to shame.:redface:
 
Very interesting - my daughter also had issues with Peptamen. She did not tolerate Peptamen Jr 1.5 at all - nausea, heartburn and diarrhea. She was then given adult Peptamen 1.5 and that was a bit better but still caused diarrhea. She's now on Neocate and has no problems with it.

I have to agree about NG tubes - we thought an NG tube would be much worse than it was. My daughter was also very uncomfortable the first two nights but got used to it quite quickly.

Glad your daughter is doing better!
 
Maya--does your daughter do supplemental EN with an NG-tube or just by drinking it?

I'd love for my daughter to continue with supplemental EN when she's done with the 90% EN in a few weeks, but she hasn't been taking the tube in and out each day--it's just in all the time--and I'm not sure she could put it in herself. Maybe she'll have more luck with drinking shakes now that she's feeling better.
 
DS has been drinking supplemental en peptamen jr with prebio for 3.5 years
He did EEN for 9 weeks at age 7 all orally

Hope she feels better soon
 
M does supplemental EN via an NG tube for weight gain (well she is supposed to but was recently diagnosed with gastroparesis which is making things difficult). We have been experimenting with drinking Neocate too. She doesn't like it but can tolerate chocolate and strawberry Neocate.

She got used to drinking two Peptamen Jr a day (1.0) though, and drank them daily for months before we went to the NG tube because she just wasn't drinking enough to gain weight. She thought Peptamen Jr tasted MUCH better than Neocate!

She is quite underweight and I don't anticipate us stopping the supplemental EN any time soon.

Your daughter might surprise you - at our hospital there are many kids her age who insert the NG tube at night and take it out in the morning. There are videos online that you could show her. The first couple nights were hard for my daughter but she got good at it surprisingly quickly. We use a smaller tube - 6-fr - which I'm sure would work for your daughter.

Good luck!
 
Maya: Not to derail this thread but I have been wondering for a while and keep forgetting to ask...when were M's last scopes and biopsies? I ask because of her inability to keep her weight up etc...are they sure there isn't some microscopic inflammation going on? Wondering if the switch in meds might not help on this front. Can I wonder anymore?
 
Last colonoscopy was in January 2014 - showed mild inflammation in the TI but everything else healed on Remicade. She had an endoscopy in January 2015, which showed gastritis which we believe was caused by her medications. Her FC has been low-ish (can't remember the exact number but I think it was around 150, down from 486) and we just sent in another sample. Her GI wanted to scope her before we switched to Simponi but M is so sick of tests and begged and so scopes will be in the summer.

Her scopes looked so good last January and her pillcam was clear that we really think this is gastroparesis. She is simply not eating enough - maybe 500-600 calories per day (we're working on that).

Sorry to derail this thread pdx!
 
more derailing but this is so interesting...

Maya - when they did the endoscopy why didn't they just do the colonoscopy as well? Seems maybe her FC doesn't elevate very much even when she was her sickest eh? I know some GI's will accept a 150 range on FC with IBD patients but ours doesn't.

Ooooh...she doesn't eat much...how many calories is she getting with her tube feeds?

I know the switch to Simponi is for the arthritis issues but I am hoping it kicks whatever mild inflammation might be hanging around to the curb as well!
 
They did discuss doing a colonoscopy but she has been doing quite well - diarrhea and urgency got much better, and no pain at all on her lower right side. We all really suspected it was gastritis from NSAIDs (which has happened before more than once) and were trying to save her from the prep - she has so so many tests and procedures - 6 MRIs in the last year alone, steroid shots, trigger point injections. Of course, now I wish we'd just done them both at the same time:ybatty:

She's not really tolerating the tube feeds anymore because of the gastroparesis - anything at all in her stomach makes her nauseous. We're trying to get her weight up and she's promised to drink very small amounts of Neocate every hour but if she loses any more weight at all she will be admitted.
 
Stupid gastroparesis:voodoo::voodoo::voodoo:

Poor M! Dealing with three different conditions just seems so unfair!

I seem to remember reading quite a bit about dietary interventions for that condition a while back. Are you working with a specialist in gastroparesis? I will see if I can find the references. Not that it is a cure but at least some suggestions of ways to help deal with it. I could swear one of the docs who specializes in it is in NYC out of Columbia. I will look through my books and bookmarks to see if I can find it. I will also ask my nutrition friends. :ghug:
 
Just re the different formulas... rarely, if ever, see it mentioned on here but S's formula was Tolerex (thru NG, not drinkable due to taste) - it doesn't contain inulin. Just another option for those using NG tubes.
 
Crohnsinct - we are seeing someone at CHOP but honestly there aren't a lot of options for gastroparesis. If you can find a name in NYC that would be great. I think we will have to move M to an adult GI sooner rather than later because there are more options for adults with gastroparesis (in terms of medications).

Right now, M is just trying to avoid an NJ tube (which she couldn't insert and remove herself) since her NG tube is making her so nauseous.
 
That would make sense why my kid couldn't do the EEN by NG. Her vomiting came when we switched to peptamen 1.5. my kid quit it after 3 weeks so we did not get a chance to try it again but if we ever do I will keep it in mind.
 
I forgot to add that we have also found that a flow rate of 60 ml/hr keeps E's nausea and cramping way down. She has significant inflammation in her small intestine, so at higher rates, I think things get backed up.

The problem with that rate is that it takes pretty much all day to get in 2000 calories, even with the 1.5 formula. We're homeschooling right now, though, so it's not a big deal for her to stay hooked up most of the day.

She's really been pushing this week to add back more food--we're almost at 7 weeks on the tube feeding--but I'm worried about it. I think we'll try to continue with night tube feedings of around 1000 calories for at least a few more weeks, and I'm going to try to use the food phase chart from the IBD-AID from the UMass study to guide food introduction:

http://www.nutritionj.com/content/13/1/5/table/T2

www.umassmed.edu/nutrition/healthy-eating/gastrointestinal/ibd/
 

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