Pickles / vinegar?

[Paderewski]

Its astonishing to learn of the huge variety of effects and complications from Crohn's. One food item that consistently shows up on "problem food" lists is pickles or vinegar. I'm not actively sampling them yet , but what are your experiences with those items? What grief does one expect with their consumption?

 

[sawdust]

If I'm not flaring, I do okay with pickles or vinegar, in moderation. In fact, I have a home garden and can my own dill spears and eat them throughout the year. Dilled beans too. Yum. Now, if I'm flaring, none of this sounds like a good idea to my gut.

 

[notfullyfathomed]

I love pickles and all vinegary things! They've never given me problems. When I was first diagnosed and so so sick pickles were the only thing I felt like eating. That's a little weird, huh?

sawdust, I'm so jealous of your home garden -- city living doesn't give me a chance to have a yard. Once I kick this flare (+low res diet) to the curb I might experiment with my own pickling, though!

 

[DanHerefordshire]

crohns causes acid in the stomach this can cause pain and evan wear down the stomach linening... vinger is prob one of the most acidic things on the shelfs thats the problem with it if you are already suffering with excess acid in the stomach vinger tops it up evan more

 

[sawdust]

sawdust, I'm so jealous of your home garden -- city living doesn't give me a chance to have a yard. Once I kick this flare (+low res diet) to the curb I might experiment with my own pickling, though!

You don't have to have a garden, although I do enjoy that part too. I'd bet you can get all you need down at reading terminal market. In fact, your variety there is probably world class!

I would recommend getting a good canning book with step-by-step recipes that can properly teach you techniques and food safety, like the Ball Complete Book of Home Preserving or the Ball Blue Book Guide to Preserving. It's referred to as the "bible" of canning. It's real important in my opinion to have a good foundation for process, especially for low-acid canning, but there's lots of interesting options!

I originally started a garden and canning so I could eat more whole foods throughout the year. I won't lie, it is hot, time-consuming work, but very rewarding and tasty! And it makes me plan on feeling good enough to eat all my hard summer labor. I like that part too for some reason.

 

[notfullyfathomed]

Thanks for the tips! That's what I was thinking, either stocking up at RTM or at one of the farmers markets in my neighborhood. I'll look into those books as well. The potential hazards of canning do make me a little nervous, so I wouldn't do it without a guide.

 

[Paderewski]

crohns causes acid in the stomach this can cause pain and evan wear down the stomach linening... vinger is prob one of the most acidic things on the shelfs thats the problem with it if you are already suffering with excess acid in the stomach vinger tops it up evan more

OK That makes sense. Thanks for the info.

 

[Paderewski]

If I'm not flaring, I do okay with pickles or vinegar, in moderation. In fact, I have a home garden and can my own dill spears and eat them throughout the year. Dilled beans too. Yum. Now, if I'm flaring, none of this sounds like a good idea to my gut.

I'm envious of your home garden. Once I'm retired and dwelling out of the high country maybe I can home garden too.

 

[David]

crohns causes acid in the stomach this can cause pain and evan wear down the stomach linening... vinger is prob one of the most acidic things on the shelfs thats the problem with it if you are already suffering with excess acid in the stomach vinger tops it up evan more

What kind of acid does Crohn's Disease cause in the stomach? Can you please link me to some additional information on this? I hadn't heard this before and it doesn't make sense to me. Thank you!

 

[DanHerefordshire]

Hi David

Please check out this link let me know if its ok or if you need any more information

http://www.digestionquestions.com/g erd/stomach-acid.html

 

[DanHerefordshire]

the vitamin b12 is also a massive factor with stomach acid


http://www.livestrong.com/article/418525-omeprazole-and-b12-deficiency/

 

[DanHerefordshire]

There is an error in the first link so hear it is again

http://digestionquestions.com/gerd/stomach-acid.html

 

[handle]

Dan,
From your link:
"Oddly, sometimes symptoms of IBS, IBD or GERD are caused by your stomach acid not being strong enough. Your body is unable to break down the food passing through your stomach as well as it should, which can lead to both reflux and bowel pain."

Crohns people often have low acid issues.
I also beg to differ with some of the assertions made about stomach acid. Vinegar (acetic acid) is a very weak acid, about one fifteenth the strength of the stomach acid secretion HCL(which mixes with pepsinogen to form pepsin). When food enters the stomach it begins to neutralize the acidity of the stomach. Any acid which does leave the stomach, into the duodenum, is then acted upon by pancreatic bicarbonate, which is alkaline, and which neutralizes the acid content. Bile is alkaline, and also mixes with the chyme leaving the stomach when fat is present. The result is a neutral or slightly alkaline mixture in the intestines.

 

[DanHerefordshire]

Hi handle

i understand about not enough acid check out the link plenty of people doing this every day

http://www.vinegar-home-remedies.com/acid-indigestion.html

i belive crohns causes to much in most cases though vinegar is still an acid and was just my opinion that mixing acids with evan more acids cant be good..

 

[handle]

Hey Dan,
There is no reason to believe Crohns causes an increase in stomach acid production. The level of acid in the stomach is greatly altered by the foods eaten - animal proteins require the lowest pH level (which is the highest acidity level.)
Yes vinegar is an acid, but an extremely weak one. Even lemon juice is more acidic, but nothing really compares to the HCL secreted into the stomach, which is like battery acid!

 

[DanHerefordshire]

how come so many take ppi,s then?

 

[handle]

good question... ppi's are for people with a faulty lower esophageal sphincter (upper stomach valve.) Because it doesn't close properly it lets some of the stomach contents rise up into the esophagus which causes the burning sensation and pain. They try to lower the acid content to limit the irritation. (Eating foods that use a lower stomach acid level for their digestion is actually a better idea...)