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hello there,

i have Crohn's and currently on supplements like folic acid, ferrous sulphate, fish oil, centrum women,B12, calcium also on my antidepressant aka zoloft, pred 40mg .

im currently debating probiotics, what probiotics do you think work best for you based on experience ?

Newly diagnosed about one month now, still struggling to get a grasp on this disease

thank you for you advice in advance

have a good day :)


Zyamase
 
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hello there,

i have Crohn's and currently on supplements like folic acid, ferrous sulphate, fish oil, centrum women,B12, calcium also on my antidepressant aka zoloft, pred 40mg .

im currently debating probiotics, what probiotics do you think work best for you based on experience ?

Newly diagnosed about one month now, still struggling to get a grasp on this disease

thank you for you advice in advance

have a good day :)


Zyamase


The only probiotic that has helped me at all is homemade Kefir yogurt. I make it with unpasteurised raw milk which increases the probiotic level.
 
It's very complicated to say, for probiotics for crohn you would likely want an anti-inflammatory probiotic, and they exist, that's not the issue. The issue is that many of those probiotics need the NOD2 signaling to activate, and since many crohn people have defective NOD2 signaling, the probiotics will never get a chemical signal to do their job. If it was cheap to tell who has a defective NOD2 and who doesn't it would be a lot easier to say which probiotics might work. Someone with a correctly working NOD2 might say "probiotics X is great", but give probiotic X to another person with a defective NOD2, also suffering from crohn, and it might do didly squat. Research is looking for probiotics that are both anti-inflammatory and that do not depend on the NOD2 protein to do their job.

You could say, why not get a bunch of probiotics, like those probiotic drinks. Since probiotics are bacteria, they need something to survive, most of them survive on sugar, that's why all the drinks are full of sugar. But when you glug down the drink you are not just getting probiotics, you are getting a whole lot of sugar also, and bad bacteria love sugar, any undigested sugar is used by them to survive in your gut, you are feeding the exact buggers you were trying to kill in the first place. There are more expensive probiotics that do not need sugar to survive, they also don't require freezing, but they're easily $30 or more, and you need the right strain. There's also some capsules out there that are quite useless, unlike UC, we as crohn patients need those probiotics to survive all the way down, and if the capsule or drink opens too soon, it won't arrive where it's supposed to go. Some capsules have a special coating that makes them last longer, but not all.

I still think probiotics work, but just taking whatever probiotic likely does more harm than good, the gut ecosystem is very fragile.
 
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The only probiotic that has helped me at all is homemade Kefir yogurt. I make it with unpasteurised raw milk which increases the probiotic level.

I think this is potentially more dangerous than helpful. Dairy is likely the exact thing that got many of us Crohn in the first place. Pasteurisation is there to kill off bacteria like MAP (linked to Crohn), if you are glugging down yoghurt from unpasteurised milk, you are exponentially increasing your exposure to MAP.
 
I think this is potentially more dangerous than helpful. Dairy is likely the exact thing that got many of us Crohn in the first place. Pasteurisation is there to kill off bacteria like MAP (linked to Crohn), if you are glugging down yoghurt from unpasteurised milk, you are exponentially increasing your exposure to MAP.

Thanks for that! Whilst I take on board what you are saying, Kefir is literally the only thing that is helping at all at the moment. I think I shall keep glugging for now.
 
Kiny..... Thanks for all that, interesting. I think I might try a probiotic as well. I'm taking Nizoral, for candida, but it will be a few months before I can cut back on all milk and sugar, because I'm on prednisone, and also because I have a lot of issues as is with it's side effects, so scd diet over night, rather then over a period of a few months, would probably make me more sick to begin with.
But I deffinatley want to start having green tea, and a probiotic with it might just be the right thing through the morn.
I also have calcium, but need to start having fish oil too. :)
 
I've been taking Ultimate Flora probiotics with really good results for my symptoms for about 2 years now. They are really popular, because every time I go to CVS to get them, there's only 1 container left and sometimes they're out. The cashier said they move them really fast, so there must be a lot of Crohn's, IBS, UC and other folks out there that need them as much as I do. I can't go more than 3 days without them or my digestive tract starts going downhill again.
 
I have been taking Healthy Trinity by Natren. My nutritionist recommended it but I don't know if I feel any difference. It's expensive though so hope its doing something!
 
Primal defense has always helped me during flares. Align seems to help a lot while on antibiotics.
 
I took Garden of Life Primal Defense Ultra and found at times I felt much better and times I felt more abdominal pain. I decided to give up on it a while ago because they use little soil organisms anymore and nobody knows the true consequences of those organisms.
 
Just want to add to the discussion about kefir -- I also make kefir at home, using pasteurized 2% milk -- it comes out just fine, and it has made a difference for me. It is my understanding that much of the lactose in the milk is consumed during fermentation (similar to yogurt!), so many people that have trouble with dairy because of the lactose are able to tolerate kefir and yogurt just fine.
 

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