Sam's story - Some advice please

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Hello all

I am fairly new to the site and have not posted before so here is a little about me. Firstly Crohn's aside I am in my mid thirties, living with my boyfriend working as a solicitor.

I was diagnosed with Crohn's in June this year. Had been suffering from abdominal disconfort moving more to pain since I guess about October last year. Hard to be sure as in the August had my gall bladder removed after problems of and on for several years so previous periods of abdominal pain may have been caused by crohn's but attributed by me to my gall bladder. Tended to avoid doctors if I coudl so only had the gall bladder sorted when in so much pain taken to A & E.

Anyway eventually went to my GP in about Feb of this year when symptoms just gettign worse. I was getting more and more tired and more regulatr abdominal pain. Unlike many sufferers I have read about I was not losing weight and was getting more constipation that the other. First my GP jsut told me that most complaints he sees are fatigue and thought maybe I had IBS and gave me tablets and sent me for blood tests. A month later he told me I was anaemic and that the test results were a bit odd so told me to have another set. A few weeks later went back for results ( saw a different doctor this time) and was referred to a consultant.

I finally saw the registrar on behalf of the consultant in early May. She didnt really say or do much except get more blood tests adn refer me for a CT and colonoscopy but no treatment or relief given. Got a call later that day saying must come in immediately for A blood transfusion as had a haemaglobin level of under 5. 24hours and four bags of blood later I was released but with no real follow up set up. Kept calling the consultant office to chase up next appointment and also to try and get my blood levels checked again as still feeling exhausted and getting paler by the day!

Eventually managed to get through to someone and got admitted to hospital. Had another four bags of blood and put on drugs as they thought it may well be crohn's. By this stage I had a swelling in my abdomen about the size of a rugby ball.

To start I was put on 60mg Prednisone, 4 sachets of Pentasa, Lansaprozole, Calcichews and finally some pain relief. It was amazing as within 24 hours almost all pain had gone, BMs were normal and swelling in stomach had gone down massively.

I remained in hospital for about a week during which time I had a colonoscopy which was a horrendous experience. Can't imagine how it would have been if I hadnt started the steroids etc. They finally decided that it was probably crohn's and discharged me with a view to getting a barium meal and follow through.

On release I was told to taper down teh Prednisone by 5mg per week and on 100 mg azathiropine and 1000 mg Pentasa.

Since then I have got slightly worse as I have tapered down the Prednisone, exacerbated by Iron tablets prescribed by GP which I will never take again!. Have since changed GPs after earlier experiences and long saga of B12 injectiosn which wont go into here.

For the last few months have had to up th esteriods and then drop back to try to keep it under control.

At my last consultant appointment he announced that as the meds arent keeping it under control I woudl be more suited to surgery as he suspects it is in a distinct area adn has referred me to a surgeon. Since then I have had the barium follow through and await the results.

NO surgeon appointment yet but I have to say I am very reluctant at this stage to go for that as feel that 4 months after diagnosis is too soon to go for that. The thought of risking having a bag, even temporarily, just is not an option fo rme. I know many reading this site have gone through this and deal with this daily but I just feel like the doctor shoudl explore more optiosn first.

For example I have heard that the recommended dose of Azathiropine is 2mg pre kilo of body weight and if so I am on just under half the dosage so is it any wonder it is not working.

Also I would have thought it would be worth trying Infliximab or one of the other biologics (can't remember the name).

Also I am fairly new to all this and wonder how those of you feel when in remission - do you have any symptoms or are they just much more bearable. What sort of pain relief do people use - my consultant jsut says use Paracetamol but that is useless. What i find hard is lack of sleep as I wake up about half three with abdominal pain. Not horrendous but enough to keep me from sleeping properly.

Any advice or info woudl be much appreciated. In particular I am interested to hear from those whose crohn's does not give them regular diarheoa but more constipation. I have fairly regular BMs but always seems a bit of a struggle and always feel like I could go more.

Sorry to ramble on so long
Thanks for any help

SAM
Current meds
15mg Prednisone per day
100mg Azathiropine
 
Hi Sam :welcome:! You have come to a place where not only are there other people from the UK but many in the same situation as you. It isnt fun and surgery does not always mean a bag, and it depends where your Crohns is located. Remicade is the name of the biologic you are looking for , and has worked for so many , unlike myself. There is Humira too but it is weaker of the two.

I am not a bleeder but I have become anemic in the beginning of my dx many years ago. Many people here to help you and give you their experiences. Welcome aboard, you will find it comfortable here!
 
Hi Sam! Firstly 1000mg of Pentasa doesn't sound like a lot, I was first put on 3000mg and am now on the max of 4000mg. You could also request that they up your dosage of azathioprine. As for pain relief, you could try cocodamol which has codeine in too, but this can constipate you and shouldn't be used long term because of addiction. You should avoid ibuprofen and aspirin. Have you tried things like a hot water bottle?
 
Hi Sam
and welcome fellow Brit

Paracetamol is useless, won't even touch the sides! Docs really bug me, if it was them in pain they'd soon shift their arses!
If this was me, I'd get a second opinion, surgery isn't the answer, the be all and end all, it can take many exhaustive meds to find the one, surgery is the last resort. IMO.
I had a massive flare and infection back in Jan, it took nearly 6 months on high doses of Pred to heal me, maybe you've tapered too soon? It's only been 4 months. I stayed on 60mg for a month, 50mg for a month and so on.
I have bouts of D, any constipation indicates to me that I'm narrowing. Cos it's not normal for me, constipation might be normal for you, we're all different.
hope you find some relief, you could ask for Codeine Phosphate, its on prescription, its a good painkiller too
lotsa luv
Joan xxx
 
Hi Sam, your story sounds a bit familiar to mine I was only diagnosed in June this year and only starting getting symptoms in May, i'm also in my mid 30's and the thought of a bag following surgery is just not an option for me (I hope!!!) I also do not suffer from diarrhea and pain was my main symptom started off like a gastritis pain then became more localised to the right lower quadrant. I agree with rebecca your pentasa should be increased i'm on 4gms pentasa and tapering off prednisolone 5mgs at present and I have to tell you I feel good on that, very little pain at the mo, the odd flutter and occasional pain that you can live with. I was awful though before the meds tired pale low iron nausea raised CRP bla bla, thankfully this has all settled now which I put down to the steroids. I am currently waiting for surgery to remove a foot of small intestine were the chances of needing a bag are really really low and most people who've had the surgery say it was the right thing to do and recover well. I was really reluctant to go down this route but the doc's won't reduce the steroids unless I do and I really really want to get off them. I hope this has been some help and you start to fell better soon.
 
Thanks for the replies so far. I had not considered that the Pentasa might be too low and have double checked and am on 2 500mg slow release tablets per day. Will see if I can find out the recommended dosage of that too. It seems if my Pentasa and Azathiropine are too low it is no wonder they don't keep it under control when the steroids go down.

Am trying to get armed and ready with as much info as possible before my appointment with the consultant next week. Taking my mum with me for a bit of back up too as feel like I am just getting walked over a bit. I heard through a friend of a great consultant in Southampton and if I don't get any joy I may try to see him.

It is also helpful getting reassurance that need more time to try to adjust meds rather than go straight to surgery. My consultant (and the one I saw while he was away) both say that most crohns patients need surgery at some stage but it makes me wonder if that is because they jump to it too quickly without trying alternatives. I feel a bit liike they are just passing me on to someone else.

Thanks again for your comments and advice.

PS I do find the hot water bottle helpful but sometimes just want something to knock me out for the night!!
 
I'm afraid the docs are right in that most Crohn's patients do need surgery at some point, but looking at the experiences on here a lot of people are first diagnosed through surgery (thinking it's appendicitis, or the Crohn's going undiagnosed till the bowel perforates or something), or else people seem to manage years until too much scar tissue builds up.
 
Hi Sam, i was started with 2 x 500mgs of pentasa and then very quickly put up, I must add the reason they've recommended surgery is due to a perforation in June otherwise I wouldn't consider it until i've tried all other meds although my doc was reluctant to start Azathioprine as it's not good if your pregnant (not that i am by the way!!!)
 
Hi Sam, welcome!! If you finally get to see a doctor who you have any confidence in, hold on to him!!! Geez, what a @#$%ing nightmare to be passed around like that. Especially after needing four units of blood...twice!!! What the hell is wrong with them??? You need to get MAD and start raising a ruckus!! Good luck!!
 
Hi Sam and :welcome:

Good to see you here. It certainly sound like you have ample room for improvement regarding your medications and personally that is the route I would go down first. It will be trial and error but well worth the effort. Rebecca is right about the surgical aspect of things and I may be wrong but I think most people would see surgery as something to consider when many other options have failed or the pain and symptoms can't be controlled satisfactorily for them. My daughter was one of the ones that was diagnosed in theatre when her bowel perforated so she never had the opportunity to try medication first. The surgery saved her life and I am forever grateful for that but had her circumstances been different I would imagine I would have stuck with medication until her symptoms dictated otherwise.

I hope you stay around and keep us posted on how you are going. Browse the forums and if you have any questions just ask away. Good luck and welcome aboard!

Take care, :)
Dusty
 

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