Straining, Prolapse and Methotrexate

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I have a couple of issues I was wondering if I throw out there if I could get any comments or suggestions. You all are so wonderful to talk to!

First, my son (13) has been on Remicade for a little over a year now and he has been on Methotrexate for nine months. Overall he is doing okay (I wish I could say great). His labs the last few months have been coming back pretty good. The problem is, he hates Methotrexate. He cannot even say the word without getting a sick feeling. I take him to the hospital every Friday to get the shot. We tried a few times doing the shot at home but he would act out, push me away, cry hysterically and so now we are back going to the hospital again to take it because he is to tough to cry in front of them, if you know what I mean. He had wanted to try switching to the pill form, in which we did for about three weeks, but it made his body so sore that he could not hardly walk at all. So we are back on the shot form. He told me last night, in a big, crying meltdown he was having, that the metho causes him so much emotional pain. That if he was not on it he would be much better. He said he would rather take the physical pain then be on it. He wants control of his body but I tell him at 13, I get the say over him. He has not reached puberty yet and still can act immature at times.

I am waiting on a call back from the nurse. I have mentioned him trying to get off and see how he does but the doc did not recommend it. How do we know if its working? He wants off it so bad. I don't know if I need to talk to his PCP or his counselor and maybe he needs some anxiety meds (in which I don't want to do because he just got off some a couple months ago). If he got off for a couple months and found his symptoms got worse, can he go back on it? Any suggestions?

The other problem. My son suffers from rectal prolapse and has for a few months now. Terrible pain when he is having a bowel movement. I don't understand how he strains so much and all that ever comes out is liquid. Never has had a formed stool. He tries to breathe or read to take his mind off straining but it does not work. We have tried suppositories and that does not seem to help. It is not on the outside of his anus, but only comes down during the straining. We have done warm baths also. Any recommendations for this? He eats like a normal 13 year old but is very picky and he is not the healthiest. He had tried Boost for 2 1/2 weeks this summer but gave up. He does not go gluten or dairy free but he does drink lactose free milk. I feel like with all the straining and the prolapse that he is going to or already has damaged something down in that area. I have seen his stools, and every now and then, he will have a couple drops of blood on top of it, like maybe from straining too hard (or at least I hope that is what is causing it). I bring this up all the time to the GI but she says nothing really can do unless he goes EEN so he does not go to the bathroom and strain as often.

Thank you all so much!
 
My son just turned 17 and I am having a similar issue with him. He is convinced the dose of MTX he is on right now is causing him side effects(flu-like fatigue, severe headache). He has been on a much higher dose in the past with no side effects(25mg). Most of the fatigue/flu like feeling wears of in 3 or 4 days but he says his tiredness lingers.

He basically told me the same thing before last night's dose, "Could he please not take his MTX, it makes him sick and he would rather deal with the CD than what he is dealing with now."

It is such a hard situation, ours is complicated further by the fact that I think part of his issues are a flare, although the symptoms aren't his normal ones.

He did take the med and he understands that it is needed. I think we may move to the shot form and see if we get fewer side effects.

I wish you the best, always so hard to see our kids in pain of any kind. I think we probably had the same talk with our kids so I have no new advise but wanted to send Hugs and Support!
 
My daughter, at 14 and then this year, at 16 decided to give up MTX. She had awful side effects - headache, dizziness and nausea, and could not get out of bed for a day. Shethen got so anxious about it that she would just cry and cry because she knew she would feel awful. So we gave it up, and she was on Humira at the time and which then stopped working. Her drs think she built up antibodies. She was sick for a year before we managed to get her flare under control.
So she went on Remicade, again with MTX in the hope that she wouldn't build up antibodies. Now she's had bad reactions to the MTX (same nausea, dizziness and headache) and we've stopped it again.
I'm so worried Remicade will stop working, but I can't bear to see her as miserable as she is when she's on it.
We might add 6MP to prevent antibodies, perhaps you could consider that? My daughter also did start seeing a counselor because of how anxious she gets and that has helped a lot.
No other advice, just wanted to say I understand completely! It's so hard.
 
My 8 yr old so is also on 15mg MTX shots. Other than not having the normal stamina of an 8 yr old (but that could also be the Crohn's), as well as looser BMs (but for my usually constipated son, this is a plus), we have not had any negative side effects from MTX. I have heard of those who suffer from dizziness and even "foggy" thinking from the drug, as well as those who have nausea. Maybe a lower dose, or a prescription for an anti-nausea drug would help. The shot is supposed to be better than the pill as it doesn't have to go through the already sensitive digestive system. Sounds like he already has cramping if he is straining so much with a loose BM. I don't know if I'd want to go to the pill form. Do you think your son hates MTX so much because of the actual side affects, or is it more the stress of getting the shot? Knowing that might help you decide what to do. All the best to you!
 
So sorry your son is struggling with the MTX so much. :( I don't have any experience with it but I think I've read that you need to supplement with folate/folic acid with the MTX (but not at the same time). If you're not doing that, perhaps it's a deficiency that's contributing to his unwell feeling??? Again, I'm not sure of this... hopefully, a parent with MTX experience can comment... :ghug:
 
Tesscorm is right, our GI has ordered folic acid for our son. He takes it every day except injection day. Apparently MTX rids the body of some folic acid, so one has to add it back in as a supplement. It is also thought that adding folic acid reduces the negative side affects of MTX, including nausea. I've read that part of what makes MTX an effective treatment for autoimmune diseases is that it does rid the body of some folic acid. So, the whole issue seems to be a bit of a paradox... taking it out is good, but you have to add it back in, which is good...
 
Thank you all for your replies. My son does take folic acid daily. It's been since Friday late afternoon since the shot and tonight he was crying that his legs were in so much pain and he got asked alot at school why he was limping. The doctor is supposed to call me tomorrow. I do believe he gets the "foggy head" feeling quite a bit. He has not gotten sick as to throwing up but comes close. Lots of anxiety when he knows the shot is coming. I don't think cutting the dose will help, a shot is a shot to him. He cries at all the hair he loses. I would love for him to be on nothing but remicade every eight weeks, but we go every four currently.
 
Therapy focused on managing his anxiety. This is very effective even with young teens because it doesn't require a lot of insight. It's straight cognitive therapy and has been shown to be very effective - at least as effective as medications. Which is the other option and not a good choice in my opinion.

You do have my sypathies. We went through a lot of that with Humira and finally stopped it after my son had been in remission for over a year. Fortunately he has stayed in remission on just oral Methotrexate.

Is he anxious because the shot is painful or because he gets sick afterwards? or both?
 
Can you ice before the shot? After Humira my daughter became very anxious about all shots, and so now we ice before all of them. She says the methotrexate doesn't hurt much at all if she ices and does it herself.
If he tried doing it himself, maybe he would feel better. My daughter HATED the idea of doing it herself but once she started, she felt a lot better because she was in control. Just a thought.
 
The anxiety can make the pain worse, or maybe even other symptoms. We experienced that in the beginning of Humira. Humira is a painful but quick shot. Our son went thru a period of big anxiety. We had him talk to the therapist in the GI clinic. She really had some good things to say to all of us. Even to myself and my husband. We thought we were 'helping' him and found out some of the things we were doing was making it worse. It was beneficial to all of us. We only had to meet with her 3 or 4 times.
 

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