The FLU plus Crohn's
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It's how I had my first one 
I got the flu, was very sick and never really recovered for almost 5 months. At the end of those 5 months I was barely able to walk anymore, and I didn't eat anything anymore.
I recently had the flu and felt very bad, but it's all over now. I haven't been feeling this good for months!
I got the flu, was very sick and never really recovered for almost 5 months. At the end of those 5 months I was barely able to walk anymore, and I didn't eat anything anymore.
I recently had the flu and felt very bad, but it's all over now. I haven't been feeling this good for months!
I know what you are going through. I just got the flu while on an immunomodulator (Imuran) a few weeks back. It kept dragging me down and took me weeks to get back to "health".
This happened to me on the weekend so I went to an after hours clinic. The doctor gave me Tamiflu and sent me on the way. I took that for a few days and pretty much just slept in order to try and get better. Good luck.
This happened to me on the weekend so I went to an after hours clinic. The doctor gave me Tamiflu and sent me on the way. I took that for a few days and pretty much just slept in order to try and get better. Good luck.
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the biggest advice i can give is get the flu shot! every year! get the flu shot!
my GI actually paid for mine out of pocket this year.
my GI actually paid for mine out of pocket this year.
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Well I had some sort of virus around Labor Day 2007 and it went away after a few days, not the flu I don't think, it was something like strep or a bad sore throat. I almost went to the ambutal, had a 103 fever and was sweating like a pig, it was horrible. Sleeping for about 12 hours one night finally made the biggest difference, other than that I can't say what would be best for you but stay hydrated, you have a double team you're fighting in terms of hydration.
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One theory I have heard of is that the Chlamydia pneumoniae bacteria is a contributor to autoimmune disease, including Crohn's disease.
Many people have had respiratory infection with this flu strain, I suspect this bacteria is common with this flu going around.
Apparently, it can be difficult to get rid of. My father is still battling some kind of bacteria three months after the flu. Could be this one.
He had the flu shot, but it often is the wrong strain and was wrong this year also.
If you are concerned with Mercury, the flu shot, in the U.S., still has Thimerosal as a preservative.
http://www.cpnhelp.org/
Dan
Many people have had respiratory infection with this flu strain, I suspect this bacteria is common with this flu going around.
Apparently, it can be difficult to get rid of. My father is still battling some kind of bacteria three months after the flu. Could be this one.
He had the flu shot, but it often is the wrong strain and was wrong this year also.
If you are concerned with Mercury, the flu shot, in the U.S., still has Thimerosal as a preservative.
http://www.cpnhelp.org/
Dan
crohns and the flu
Just went through a scare with my son this past week-he had not been feeling well, went to health services last Monday and they told him he probably had the flu. Like most college students he probably didn't take it easy enough and by Friday morning felt very nauseated and like he was going to pass out. He went back to health services and of course they did a complete panel of blood work in fear that it was Crohns related. He was so dehydrated he received 3 bags of fluids IV. All the blood work was NORMAL!!!! and the fluids seemed to do the trick-diagnosis-severe dehydration secondary to the flu!
Seems like this years strain is a bad one, with respitory sysmptoms like a productive cough that can last for weeks after initial symptoms subside. Also this years flu shot seems to not be completely effective in a lot of cases.
Here in Florida we are bracing for the flu to arrive-it gets to the Northeast first and we ususally do not see its full effects until mid March
Take care of yourself everyone-the flu hits anyone with a chronic disease harder than the norm.
Sincerely,
Ramona
Just went through a scare with my son this past week-he had not been feeling well, went to health services last Monday and they told him he probably had the flu. Like most college students he probably didn't take it easy enough and by Friday morning felt very nauseated and like he was going to pass out. He went back to health services and of course they did a complete panel of blood work in fear that it was Crohns related. He was so dehydrated he received 3 bags of fluids IV. All the blood work was NORMAL!!!! and the fluids seemed to do the trick-diagnosis-severe dehydration secondary to the flu!
Seems like this years strain is a bad one, with respitory sysmptoms like a productive cough that can last for weeks after initial symptoms subside. Also this years flu shot seems to not be completely effective in a lot of cases.
Here in Florida we are bracing for the flu to arrive-it gets to the Northeast first and we ususally do not see its full effects until mid March
Take care of yourself everyone-the flu hits anyone with a chronic disease harder than the norm.
Sincerely,
Ramona
Kev
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WELLL, couple of points of confusion. first, flu shot OR no flu shot? Doesn't it sort of depend on the strength of any immuno suppressors one is currently taking?
2nd.. once you get the 'flu'... or any other viral load (cold, congestion, whatever) isn't one supposed to wait 2 weeks till they are clear before getting a flu shot? I wonder at the 'safety' of being given a 'flu shot' once you have flu like symptoms. My understanding was that, even with a clean bill of health, it takes a minimum of 2 weeks for the 'shot' to give you any protection.. and in that 2 week period, one may experience side effects or mild cases of the flu. but to have the flu, and go get a shot for it, sounds pretty much like shutting the barn door AFTER the horse has bolted.. and pretty risky/foolhardy to boot.
And treating virus/virii with anti-biotics... Wellll, I never saw the sense in that.
2nd.. once you get the 'flu'... or any other viral load (cold, congestion, whatever) isn't one supposed to wait 2 weeks till they are clear before getting a flu shot? I wonder at the 'safety' of being given a 'flu shot' once you have flu like symptoms. My understanding was that, even with a clean bill of health, it takes a minimum of 2 weeks for the 'shot' to give you any protection.. and in that 2 week period, one may experience side effects or mild cases of the flu. but to have the flu, and go get a shot for it, sounds pretty much like shutting the barn door AFTER the horse has bolted.. and pretty risky/foolhardy to boot.
And treating virus/virii with anti-biotics... Wellll, I never saw the sense in that.
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For my personal situation, I do not feel the flu shot is worth the risk. Unless it is a life threatening situation, I am not comfortable injecting foriegn matter into my blood stream. I rarely get very sick if I get the flu, and I have two other ways to knock it down fast that I am comfortable with.
Of course, everyones situation is different, and the more precarious your health is the more sense the shot makes.
I never have understood the antibiotic treatment of the flu. It makes no sense to me either. There are anti-viral drugs, but I assume they do not act fast enough, or are too risky, since they never seem to be used for the flu.
Dan
Of course, everyones situation is different, and the more precarious your health is the more sense the shot makes.
I never have understood the antibiotic treatment of the flu. It makes no sense to me either. There are anti-viral drugs, but I assume they do not act fast enough, or are too risky, since they never seem to be used for the flu.
Dan
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Regarding the timing of the flu shot, i was suggesting they get it for next season. I live in alaska, and flu season around here is from october to around april, and many people catch the flu more than once in a season up here. so i typically get mine in september.
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I actually has more than just dead viruses. It isn't the viruses that worry me.
I found this on a Chiropractic site.
That shot at your doctor's office contains much more than just flu strains. The vaccine is prepared with chicken embryo fluid, inoculated with the living flu strains. The fluid is then treated with formaldehyde to inactivate the virus.
Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is injected to help preserve the mixture. Ethylene glycol (better known as antifreeze) and another chemical called phenol are added to disinfect. And because animal cells are used for this process, animal viruses are sometimes introduced into the vaccine, undetected. This has happened as recently as 1995.
Now ask yourself: If you were intending to purchase a dietary supplement, and the label offered this warning: "May contain traces of formaldehyde, thimerosal, phenol, ethylene glycol, and animal cells," would you buy it?
The simian virus 40 was introduced into humans from monkeys cells in the Polio
vaccine.
According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD., the worlds leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots. (1) Dr. Fudenberg said that it was due to the mercury that is in every flu shot (and many childhood shots). The gradual mercury buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction
All vaccinations carry risks of some kind.
Dan
I found this on a Chiropractic site.
That shot at your doctor's office contains much more than just flu strains. The vaccine is prepared with chicken embryo fluid, inoculated with the living flu strains. The fluid is then treated with formaldehyde to inactivate the virus.
Thimerosal, a mercury derivative, is injected to help preserve the mixture. Ethylene glycol (better known as antifreeze) and another chemical called phenol are added to disinfect. And because animal cells are used for this process, animal viruses are sometimes introduced into the vaccine, undetected. This has happened as recently as 1995.
Now ask yourself: If you were intending to purchase a dietary supplement, and the label offered this warning: "May contain traces of formaldehyde, thimerosal, phenol, ethylene glycol, and animal cells," would you buy it?
The simian virus 40 was introduced into humans from monkeys cells in the Polio
vaccine.
According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD., the worlds leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots. (1) Dr. Fudenberg said that it was due to the mercury that is in every flu shot (and many childhood shots). The gradual mercury buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction
All vaccinations carry risks of some kind.
Dan
Kev
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Yeah, a common assumption is that one is receiving 'dead' material, when actually many shots contain 'live' albeit 'weakened' virii.. Not to fuel the debate needlessly but if there are any 'pet-owners' on the forum, do a little eye-opening research on 'A.I.H.A.' which stands for 'Acquired Immuno Haemalytic (sp?) Anemia'. I had a dog, a beautiful, young Black Lab.. was scheduled for a business trip and had to board her. none of the 'registered' kennels would take her unless ALL of her shots were up to date. So I took her to the local vet, and she was given the required 'shot'. A single injection that covered three common, life threatening doggie ailments. And it was reasonably priced.. (since it covered 3 illnesses in one, most vets only offered this shot as singular injections for all three carried more overhead, storage, availability,etc)
Problem is, within days, the dog literally fell apart. No exaggeration. The skin on her face looked like raw hamburger... no apetite, she couldn't move, and it looked like we were going to have to put her down. Neither me nor the vet had any inkling what was going on... had to send blood N stool samples away to the Veternary College for analysis. Came back as AIHA, with little/no hope of cure. In researching that, discovered that MOST experts believe it results from the 'shot'... in particular, the three part live virus version. My vet waived fees and began a 'heroic' treatment (massive doses of steroids, sound familiar) to try to save her life.. Against all odds, it worked, but at a terrible price. The dog was literally completely arthritic ridden (tho barely 2), her face looked like she'd lost a fight with a pit bull or porcupine, and she never regained her strength or personality/vitality. She only lasted a few years before we had to put her down. For those fore-warned, there ARE 'dead' virus, single version shots on the market, but their cost, low demand = low availability, and the marketplace (most vets don't stock them, and are reluctant or inexperienced sourcing them)
makes getting them EVEN if you insist a really uphill, low success struggle.
That's the doggy world... but I think there are enuff similarities that even non pet owners interested in just 'human' shots should take a warning from it, OK?
Problem is, within days, the dog literally fell apart. No exaggeration. The skin on her face looked like raw hamburger... no apetite, she couldn't move, and it looked like we were going to have to put her down. Neither me nor the vet had any inkling what was going on... had to send blood N stool samples away to the Veternary College for analysis. Came back as AIHA, with little/no hope of cure. In researching that, discovered that MOST experts believe it results from the 'shot'... in particular, the three part live virus version. My vet waived fees and began a 'heroic' treatment (massive doses of steroids, sound familiar) to try to save her life.. Against all odds, it worked, but at a terrible price. The dog was literally completely arthritic ridden (tho barely 2), her face looked like she'd lost a fight with a pit bull or porcupine, and she never regained her strength or personality/vitality. She only lasted a few years before we had to put her down. For those fore-warned, there ARE 'dead' virus, single version shots on the market, but their cost, low demand = low availability, and the marketplace (most vets don't stock them, and are reluctant or inexperienced sourcing them)
makes getting them EVEN if you insist a really uphill, low success struggle.
That's the doggy world... but I think there are enuff similarities that even non pet owners interested in just 'human' shots should take a warning from it, OK?
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I found some more information as to why vaccines seem to negatively affect older people. It also discuses the possible inflammatory response which should be something for us to consider, since inflammation is part of our disease.
It is too long to post here but it is worth reading.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/26/how-vaccines-can-damage-your-brain.aspx
Dan
It is too long to post here but it is worth reading.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/26/how-vaccines-can-damage-your-brain.aspx
Dan
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D Bergy said:
Well that's not really what I was alluding to, I simply aimed to clear up some of the impressions I got from other posts that seemed to think the flu shot was some magical substance or potion.
I had a flu shot that was free through my work in the fall (I work for a multi-billion dollar international bank, they can afford to give them away to all tens of thousands of employees, and my parents are both pharmacists, and big proponents of flu shots). I didn't realize people had "concerns" with flu shots like you bring up, I've never had a problem with the ones I've gotten growing up. I don't know...
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Welll, I don't know if the 'big' companies are being generous, or if they just added up the numbers.. and realized that paying for flu shots saves paying for sick days.
Here, if one has a 'qualifying' condition (like asthma, just to name one of many) you can get the flu shot for free. Clinics are setup each season, people queue up for their injection.
if you dont' qualify for a freebie... then you have to pay for it. the price? $10 Cdn
i've heard before, from people whose opinions I value and respect, that there is more to the story than a simple yea/nay. but that pretty much holds true for a lot of things. Like, many of the meds that 'treat' IBD carry significant risks. It becomes a 'balancing' act... weigh the potential risks Vs the benefits, decide which is/isn't for you. Getting a flu shot is NOT a 'no brainer'. Neither is 'NOT' getting it. Why? The flu isn't just the flu. Anyone heard of the spanish flu? If not, the look up the pandemic of 1918. flu, typically complications arising from, do kill people EACH n EVERY season. Sure, if you avoid the flu shot, then likely you'll avoid the 'potential' risks/side effects... but FLU with crohnic illness as a contributing factor CAN kill people. so the risk really does go both ways. I had to toss that in cause in retro-spect, my warning/turned rant about the 'safety' of things like flu shots that many think are safe, or which could be safer, may have given the impression that I was suggesting not getting a shot was the 'only' answer. The only 'answer' is the one a person works out for themselves, with or without the 'informed' input of their 'wellness' team.. Dr., naturapath, holistic healer, sooth sayer, tarot card reader... online medical advice team.. wellll, the list could go on and on. If it gets too complicated for you, flip a coin.
Here, if one has a 'qualifying' condition (like asthma, just to name one of many) you can get the flu shot for free. Clinics are setup each season, people queue up for their injection.
if you dont' qualify for a freebie... then you have to pay for it. the price? $10 Cdn
i've heard before, from people whose opinions I value and respect, that there is more to the story than a simple yea/nay. but that pretty much holds true for a lot of things. Like, many of the meds that 'treat' IBD carry significant risks. It becomes a 'balancing' act... weigh the potential risks Vs the benefits, decide which is/isn't for you. Getting a flu shot is NOT a 'no brainer'. Neither is 'NOT' getting it. Why? The flu isn't just the flu. Anyone heard of the spanish flu? If not, the look up the pandemic of 1918. flu, typically complications arising from, do kill people EACH n EVERY season. Sure, if you avoid the flu shot, then likely you'll avoid the 'potential' risks/side effects... but FLU with crohnic illness as a contributing factor CAN kill people. so the risk really does go both ways. I had to toss that in cause in retro-spect, my warning/turned rant about the 'safety' of things like flu shots that many think are safe, or which could be safer, may have given the impression that I was suggesting not getting a shot was the 'only' answer. The only 'answer' is the one a person works out for themselves, with or without the 'informed' input of their 'wellness' team.. Dr., naturapath, holistic healer, sooth sayer, tarot card reader... online medical advice team.. wellll, the list could go on and on. If it gets too complicated for you, flip a coin.
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Yeah, like everything else, it is a balancing act of known and unknown risks. Nothing is ever clear cut it seems.
Since I have not even had a flu where I had to miss work in over 15 years, my risk from the flu is very small. Everyone is in a different boat.
Dan
Since I have not even had a flu where I had to miss work in over 15 years, my risk from the flu is very small. Everyone is in a different boat.
Dan
Kev
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Yeah, with the cocktail of drugs I was taking.. pred, imuran... possibly metho, I did not like the idea of getting the flu shot... Then came the LDN. I didn't want to do anything to 'jinx' or 'complicate' that, so I decided to still skip the shot, and take my chances... But, now I'm stable (thanks to the LDN, off pred N imuran, and no info on Tamiflu or related shots interacting with Naltrexone) and I'm driving school buses... dealing with about 500 kids a day (and their germs)
And my g/f is an actress... and she deals with about 30,000 people each year.
So my risk of flu is WAY up there... Think I should go roll up my sleeve...
And my g/f is an actress... and she deals with about 30,000 people each year.
So my risk of flu is WAY up there... Think I should go roll up my sleeve...
Kev
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Wellll, I'm certainly not aching to put it to the test... but I only have to work when and if I please... (in my capacity as a spare).. and my typical work day consists of 3 1/2 hours in the morning... consisting of 30 - 40 minute runs with 15 - 20 minute intervals (can you picture the restroom breaks IF needed?) then 4 hours at home, with a 2 hour stint in the afternoon.. I've had 3 paid days off due to weather, and I'm off now for the next 9 days due to Spring Break. So far its been a blast...
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Here is something concerning vaccinations a doctor sent me yesterday. It is unusual for a doctor to question vaccinations, but I have not found any blatent inaccuracies in what it says.
Dan
Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter # 329
50 Things Your Doctor Failed To Tell You About Vaccines
“All the available evidence shows that the decline of the infectious diseases was due (not to the vaccines but) to social factors, hygiene, sanitation, housing, nutrition, etc.”
http://www.eurosolve.com/charity/bava/vaccination.html
Smallpox
Smallpox would have disappeared around 1870 if Jenner's cronies had not persuaded Parliament to force the smallpox vaccine onto children in 1867, causing the largest epidemic of smallpox ever with a peak of 42,000 deaths in 1872. To test the effectiveness of natural immunity versus vaccination, the non-vaccinated Kingston Clinic staff challenged six vaccinated doctors to join them, in 1936, in a smallpox isolation unit. The doctors had the very good sense not to accept the offer.
The degree of AIDS incidence in Brazil, Haiti, Burundi, Rwanda, Tanzania, Zaire Zambia, Uganda and Malawi coincides with the degree of smallpox vaccination intensity.
Polio
American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the polio vaccine. Bernard Reis, English professor at Cornell University and an "energetic, athletic achiever" was paralyzed by polio a month after his baby was, by law, polio-vaccinated.
1.1 million dollars damages were awarded to Kay McNeary after she was crippled by polio alter changing her baby's nappy.
Millions of children, in the fifties and sixties, were given the Salk vaccine contaminated with the cancer-causing virus SV40. Dr F Klinner stated, "Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin vaccines, being made of monkey tissues, have been directly responsible for the major increase of leukemia in this country."
The Lancet reported an outbreak of paralytic polio in Oman in fully vaccinated children. The vaccine lobby said what was needed was an increase of the vaccine dose at birth, 6, 10 and 14 weeks, and at times of other vaccines being given.
Tuberculosis
The World's largest vaccine trial, in Southern India, of the BCG vaccine, resulted in more TB in the vaccinated group than in the control group.
DPT
The whooping cough vaccine is made from the mucus of infected children, mixed with formaldehyde, aluminum and mercury. In a recent study of 540 Dutch babies, 512 had adverse reactions to the DPT vaccines. Thirty-thousand cases of diphtheria have occurred in recent years, in the UK, amongst diphtheria vaccinated children.
A University of California study showed that 1,000 SIDS (cot deaths) per year are caused by the DPT shots. Dr Robert Mendelsohn, pediatrician, said, "...nearly 10,000 SIDS each
year" (in the USA) "are related to the vaccines routinely given to children."
In 1986 Dr Michael Weiner PhD. stated, "More die each year from SIDS than the total number of all AIDS cases since 1981, yet little research money has been allocated to study the possibility of a relationship between these deaths and the DPT vaccine."
MMR
Over a period of four years, in the UK, 66% of all measles cases were in vaccinated children. In a 1986 measles outbreak in Corpus Christi, Texas, 99% of the children had been vaccinated. 26% of children rubella-vaccinated developed arthralgia or arthritis.
(US Science magazine.) Trials on the rubella vaccine, in the USA and Australia, show a
failure rate of between 80 and 93%.
Dr Glen Dettman found that one third of rheumatoid arthritis sufferers had live rubella viruses in their joints. The Lancet reported that West German authorities had listed 27
neurological reactions to the mumps vaccine, including meningitis, febrile convulsions and epilepsy. There are 30,000 new cases of epilepsy; 10,000 of which are children, in the UK alone, each year.
Hepatitis B
The hepatitis B vaccine is made from the blood of human beings infected with hepatitis B; ie someone at high risk of developing AIDS. A Lancet study of 1991 showed a 20% hepatitis infection rate in 358 hepatitis-vaccinated Gambian children.
HIB
A. Minnesota study showed that the American Hib "polysaccharide" vaccine increased the risk of Hib-induced meningitis five-fold. The Lancet, August 1991, reported 9 cases of Hib-induced meningitis in vaccinated children.
A study on the least useless Hib vaccine - the PRP-OMPC - in Los Angeles found a lowering of antibody response as vaccine dosage increased.
Influenza
The Post Office dropped influenza vaccine promotion after it failed to show any reduction in absenteeism. The "Influenza Monitoring and Information Bureau" is funded by the influenza vaccine manufacturers. Six hundred elderly, influenza-vaccinated Birmingham people showed over double the respiratory disease than a similar non- vaccinated group.
Dr Robert Mendelsohn stated that any influenza vaccine could cause Guillain-Barre Syndrome and paralysis. Influenza vaccines are made from material taken from 'flu victims; material then processed with mashed chick embryos, taken from disease-ridden intensive battery sheds. In November 1991, a Chesterfield man died within hours of being injected with the vaccine.
Typhoid
The typhoid vaccine is made from the excrement of typhoid-infected people.
Cholera
The World Health Organization has finally admitted, after countless cholera jabs, that the vaccine is useless, and has advised that, "It is not worth having."
In General
Known and suspected effects of vaccines include, asthma, eczema, increased allergies, encephalitis, cancer, leukemia, cot death, meningitis, lower motor neuron disease, juvenile diabetes, violent behavior, and so on.
American medical historian, Harris Coulter, writing in 'Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality' states, "A large proportion of the millions of US children suffering from autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia and other shoots and branches of the hydra-headed entity called "developmental disabilities", owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines against childhood diseases."
According to Dr R de Long, "Since 1981 we have been immunizing the human population with attenuated (live) viral vaccines en mass. Such unparalleled use. . . may be the reason for the appearance of new diseases." We now have 20,000 new diseases, and rising.
Vaccine makers, acting through corrupt bureaucrats, politicians and mass media agents, have always been able to pass off their wares after fraudulent animal testing; the human being is the real guinea-pig.
Dr J A Morris, leading US infectious disease expert declared, "We only hear about the encephalitis and the deaths, but there is an entire spectrum between fever and death, and it's all those things in between that never get reported." -
Dr R Mendelsohn said, "There now exists a growing theoretical concern which links immunization to the huge increase, in recent decades, of auto-immune diseases, eg rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lymphoma and leukemia. "According to Dr Duperrat, "...vaccination causes, furthermore, an explosion of leukemia."
A report in the Revue de Pathologie et de Physiologie Clinique, stated, "The vaccine modifies the terrain of the vaccinated, driving it towards alkaline and oxidized terrain; the terrain of cancer, the fact can no longer be ignored."
Dr R Moskowitz, writing in the Journal of the American Institute of Homeopaths stated that vaccination could arouse latent, cell- bound, antibody immune viruses, leading, through stress or shock to "autonomous multiplication of cells, ie. cancer."
Professor R Simpson, of the American Cancer Society, said that vaccines may cause rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus erythematosus, Parkinson's Disease, and cancer.
All the available evidence shows that the decline of the infectious diseases was due to social factors, hygiene, sanitation, housing, nutrition, etc.
Dr Moskowitz suggests that there are "fewer greater insults one can offer the immune system of a young child than to introduce, directly into his/her bloodstream, the foreign proteins or live viruses that compose modern Vaccines."
And finally, if doctor, his receptionist, nurse and the "health visitor" cannot bully, threaten and arm-twist 90% of mothers on doctor's list into having their offspring permanently damaged with vaccines, doctor will not get his annual bonus - on top of everything else -- of £1,737.
Dan
Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter # 329
50 Things Your Doctor Failed To Tell You About Vaccines
“All the available evidence shows that the decline of the infectious diseases was due (not to the vaccines but) to social factors, hygiene, sanitation, housing, nutrition, etc.”
http://www.eurosolve.com/charity/bava/vaccination.html
Smallpox
Smallpox would have disappeared around 1870 if Jenner's cronies had not persuaded Parliament to force the smallpox vaccine onto children in 1867, causing the largest epidemic of smallpox ever with a peak of 42,000 deaths in 1872. To test the effectiveness of natural immunity versus vaccination, the non-vaccinated Kingston Clinic staff challenged six vaccinated doctors to join them, in 1936, in a smallpox isolation unit. The doctors had the very good sense not to accept the offer.
The degree of AIDS incidence in Brazil, Haiti, Burundi, Rwanda, Tanzania, Zaire Zambia, Uganda and Malawi coincides with the degree of smallpox vaccination intensity.
Polio
American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the polio vaccine. Bernard Reis, English professor at Cornell University and an "energetic, athletic achiever" was paralyzed by polio a month after his baby was, by law, polio-vaccinated.
1.1 million dollars damages were awarded to Kay McNeary after she was crippled by polio alter changing her baby's nappy.
Millions of children, in the fifties and sixties, were given the Salk vaccine contaminated with the cancer-causing virus SV40. Dr F Klinner stated, "Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin vaccines, being made of monkey tissues, have been directly responsible for the major increase of leukemia in this country."
The Lancet reported an outbreak of paralytic polio in Oman in fully vaccinated children. The vaccine lobby said what was needed was an increase of the vaccine dose at birth, 6, 10 and 14 weeks, and at times of other vaccines being given.
Tuberculosis
The World's largest vaccine trial, in Southern India, of the BCG vaccine, resulted in more TB in the vaccinated group than in the control group.
DPT
The whooping cough vaccine is made from the mucus of infected children, mixed with formaldehyde, aluminum and mercury. In a recent study of 540 Dutch babies, 512 had adverse reactions to the DPT vaccines. Thirty-thousand cases of diphtheria have occurred in recent years, in the UK, amongst diphtheria vaccinated children.
A University of California study showed that 1,000 SIDS (cot deaths) per year are caused by the DPT shots. Dr Robert Mendelsohn, pediatrician, said, "...nearly 10,000 SIDS each
year" (in the USA) "are related to the vaccines routinely given to children."
In 1986 Dr Michael Weiner PhD. stated, "More die each year from SIDS than the total number of all AIDS cases since 1981, yet little research money has been allocated to study the possibility of a relationship between these deaths and the DPT vaccine."
MMR
Over a period of four years, in the UK, 66% of all measles cases were in vaccinated children. In a 1986 measles outbreak in Corpus Christi, Texas, 99% of the children had been vaccinated. 26% of children rubella-vaccinated developed arthralgia or arthritis.
(US Science magazine.) Trials on the rubella vaccine, in the USA and Australia, show a
failure rate of between 80 and 93%.
Dr Glen Dettman found that one third of rheumatoid arthritis sufferers had live rubella viruses in their joints. The Lancet reported that West German authorities had listed 27
neurological reactions to the mumps vaccine, including meningitis, febrile convulsions and epilepsy. There are 30,000 new cases of epilepsy; 10,000 of which are children, in the UK alone, each year.
Hepatitis B
The hepatitis B vaccine is made from the blood of human beings infected with hepatitis B; ie someone at high risk of developing AIDS. A Lancet study of 1991 showed a 20% hepatitis infection rate in 358 hepatitis-vaccinated Gambian children.
HIB
A. Minnesota study showed that the American Hib "polysaccharide" vaccine increased the risk of Hib-induced meningitis five-fold. The Lancet, August 1991, reported 9 cases of Hib-induced meningitis in vaccinated children.
A study on the least useless Hib vaccine - the PRP-OMPC - in Los Angeles found a lowering of antibody response as vaccine dosage increased.
Influenza
The Post Office dropped influenza vaccine promotion after it failed to show any reduction in absenteeism. The "Influenza Monitoring and Information Bureau" is funded by the influenza vaccine manufacturers. Six hundred elderly, influenza-vaccinated Birmingham people showed over double the respiratory disease than a similar non- vaccinated group.
Dr Robert Mendelsohn stated that any influenza vaccine could cause Guillain-Barre Syndrome and paralysis. Influenza vaccines are made from material taken from 'flu victims; material then processed with mashed chick embryos, taken from disease-ridden intensive battery sheds. In November 1991, a Chesterfield man died within hours of being injected with the vaccine.
Typhoid
The typhoid vaccine is made from the excrement of typhoid-infected people.
Cholera
The World Health Organization has finally admitted, after countless cholera jabs, that the vaccine is useless, and has advised that, "It is not worth having."
In General
Known and suspected effects of vaccines include, asthma, eczema, increased allergies, encephalitis, cancer, leukemia, cot death, meningitis, lower motor neuron disease, juvenile diabetes, violent behavior, and so on.
American medical historian, Harris Coulter, writing in 'Vaccination, Social Violence and Criminality' states, "A large proportion of the millions of US children suffering from autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia and other shoots and branches of the hydra-headed entity called "developmental disabilities", owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines against childhood diseases."
According to Dr R de Long, "Since 1981 we have been immunizing the human population with attenuated (live) viral vaccines en mass. Such unparalleled use. . . may be the reason for the appearance of new diseases." We now have 20,000 new diseases, and rising.
Vaccine makers, acting through corrupt bureaucrats, politicians and mass media agents, have always been able to pass off their wares after fraudulent animal testing; the human being is the real guinea-pig.
Dr J A Morris, leading US infectious disease expert declared, "We only hear about the encephalitis and the deaths, but there is an entire spectrum between fever and death, and it's all those things in between that never get reported." -
Dr R Mendelsohn said, "There now exists a growing theoretical concern which links immunization to the huge increase, in recent decades, of auto-immune diseases, eg rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lymphoma and leukemia. "According to Dr Duperrat, "...vaccination causes, furthermore, an explosion of leukemia."
A report in the Revue de Pathologie et de Physiologie Clinique, stated, "The vaccine modifies the terrain of the vaccinated, driving it towards alkaline and oxidized terrain; the terrain of cancer, the fact can no longer be ignored."
Dr R Moskowitz, writing in the Journal of the American Institute of Homeopaths stated that vaccination could arouse latent, cell- bound, antibody immune viruses, leading, through stress or shock to "autonomous multiplication of cells, ie. cancer."
Professor R Simpson, of the American Cancer Society, said that vaccines may cause rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus erythematosus, Parkinson's Disease, and cancer.
All the available evidence shows that the decline of the infectious diseases was due to social factors, hygiene, sanitation, housing, nutrition, etc.
Dr Moskowitz suggests that there are "fewer greater insults one can offer the immune system of a young child than to introduce, directly into his/her bloodstream, the foreign proteins or live viruses that compose modern Vaccines."
And finally, if doctor, his receptionist, nurse and the "health visitor" cannot bully, threaten and arm-twist 90% of mothers on doctor's list into having their offspring permanently damaged with vaccines, doctor will not get his annual bonus - on top of everything else -- of £1,737.
Kev
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Well, interesting... shame the link isn't working at the moment. I'm surprised that a doctor sent this out. I can't attest to the accuracy of any of the statements or claims made.... would take far more research than I could devout to the subject; and since I've had all my shots except for this years flu vaccine; its too late in my case IF these statements are true, or even partly true. I did see some hyperbole in the statements; and that concerns me. And I am not keen when anyone, even 'experts', espouse theory in a way that it has the sound of 'fact' to it. And what makes a vaccine successful? a 90% success rate, or just a 51% rate? And those who speak out, where exactly do they stand within the scientific/medical community? Are they genuine whistleblowers or someone on the fringe, with an axe to grind? And, what exactly does one expect to get from a 'vaccine'? A no risk guarantee that you won't get this, that or the other. Or a 'real' but small risk of some nasty, potential side issues AGAINST a significant statistical improvement of not getting something nasty, or if one does get it, or having a milder form of the whatever... isn't that the way its supposed to work? It's the old question of who does one believe these days... It's either a case of take a nickle, flip it and call it... Else, look at it like it was a jury trial... and the jury can't agree. 10 say yea, but 2 say nay. And the kicker is... just cause 10 said 'yea', doesn't mean they were right... just that they were the 'majority'. Given the uncomfortable 'truth' behind that, maybe a coin toss is one's best bet? It's a given 50/50 shot at getting it right, and if it lets one avoid/limit the 'stress' of trying to figure out the 'right' answer, maybe overall it is the best call. Or am I being too simplistic AND/OR pessimistic again?
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I don't know what the exact truth of the matter is. I do know that for some reason vaccinations are not studied nearly enough as to whether they work at all. This applies mostly to the polio vaccine. Countries that have not used the vaccine had comparable cases of polio as vaccinated countries.
No one really knows for sure what other consequences exist, since they do not really do much serious research on the matter.
All I know for sure is there is not enough hard science behind much of this and there should be. I am sure for most people they do little or no harm, but it would be nice to know what the bottom line is.
Dan
No one really knows for sure what other consequences exist, since they do not really do much serious research on the matter.
All I know for sure is there is not enough hard science behind much of this and there should be. I am sure for most people they do little or no harm, but it would be nice to know what the bottom line is.
Dan
Kev
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Yeah, like damned if you do, damned if you don't. Like I said, the decision point is past tense for me, and for my kids... and until some grandkids start popping up, it pretty much is abstract.. Thing of it is, if one has to err one way or the other, if I had to make the call... I'd probably opt for the shot. Not so much that I discount the possibility that there's a significant risk, or that not enuff testing has been had on the subject... And certainly not that doctors can't be 'sheep' at times to issues like this. Just that it isn't the doctors, or the pharmaceutical giants, or even big business ALONE in this... it's other folks, like WHO, or CDC, or big charity outfits who manage to get things done, get things done right, in a manner/fashion that government, beuaracrats, or even big business can't. I mean folks like UNESCO, OXFAM, RED CROSS, M.S.F./Doctors w/o Borders.. all these folks are solidly behind vaccines.. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily trust a lot of other organizations with vested interests... even the governments. Like, I would be sweating bullets if I was a serviceman/woman facing deployment to a war zone... not just from facing the enemy... but from those super innoculations that they give out (by decree) to the men/women in the forces. I don't trust em
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Well I can say that I blame vaccinations for my Crohn's. It was after a series of vaccinations I took when I started work (which required travel to lots of 3rd world counties) that my Crohn's appeared. Coincidence, I don'yt think so.
Also 3 years later I had to take a vaccine for yellow fever (I was only on Pentasa at that time in remission) due to travel to Africa, and after that I started having reccurent fevers and my Crohn's flared, and then had to take Prednisone for along time and introduced Imuran.
Since then I vowed never to take any vaccination again....
The only thing that scares me is when I have children in the future, what to do????
Also 3 years later I had to take a vaccine for yellow fever (I was only on Pentasa at that time in remission) due to travel to Africa, and after that I started having reccurent fevers and my Crohn's flared, and then had to take Prednisone for along time and introduced Imuran.
Since then I vowed never to take any vaccination again....
The only thing that scares me is when I have children in the future, what to do????
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