Humira vs. Remicade: Which is better?

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I'm getting ready to go on either Humira or Remicade in the near future and wonder which one everyone thinks works best - or... are they pretty close to the same?

I've been on Humira in the past, but had to go off due to insurance reasons, so am familiar with it.
 
Both are anti-tnf biological drugs. Humira can be self-injected while remicade requires hospital infusions. Humira has fewer side effects because it is fully synthetic. Remicade is made using mouse dna, which increases the likelihood of side effects.

I've used humira, but it failed to do anything.
 
Both are anti-tnf biological drugs. Humira can be self-injected while remicade requires hospital infusions. Humira has fewer side effects because it is fully synthetic. Remicade is made using mouse dna, which increases the likelihood of side effects.

I've used humira, but it failed to do anything.

Mouse DNA? Really? Have you tried Remicade?
 
My son has not tried Humira but has been on Remicade for 2 years, since he was 15. It does contain a mouse protein so your body may be more apt to build antibodies to it. But even with the other two biologics, Humira and Cimzia, there is a chance of your body creating antibodies.

My son gets his infusion at his GIs office in their IV lab. In the beginning, the infusion took close to 3 hours now it is about two hours.

If you use the forum search bar and the keywords -optimizing tnf- it will pull up a great article about each of the biologics.

Good luck with the treatment you choose!
 
Mouse DNA? Really? Have you tried Remicade?

Yup, mouse/human mixture... http://livertox.nih.gov/Infliximab.htm

I couldn't afford remicade and I was on humira as part of a clinical trial, so it was paid for. Honestly, knowing about how remicade is made, the increased risk of side effects and the time off needed at a hospital, I wouldn't have chosen to go on it anyways.

In the end, I really had no choice. My colon was so badly damaged that surgery was the last option for me.
 
Here is the article I mentioned:

The article, "Optimizing Anti-TNF Therapy" by Jason W. Harper and Scott D. Lee is found on pages 687-692 of the book, "Advanced Therapy in Inflammatory Bowel Disease" and is supported by 14 references. For any of you interested in the deeper medical side of Crohn's Disease, this book is fantastic but be warned, it is aimed at medical practitioners and is heavy reading. This thread will contain information I feel is useful in the article and I also open it up for discussion.

- In regards to inducing remission, there is no data to suggest any of the three available anti-TNF medications: infliximab (Remicade), adalimumab (Humira) or certolizumab pegol (Cimzia) are statistically superior. As such, the choice of medication is based more on how convenient the dosing mechanism is, cost to patients, and clinical experience.

- Age, sex, duration of disease, severity, surgeries, location of disease, family history, blood markers, and smoking do not appear to have any affect on whether anti-tnf medications induce remission or not.

- Usage of other biologics previously and use of other medications do not appear to affect whether anti-tnf medications work or not.

- Abscesses and strictures due to scarring won't respond to anti-tnf medications so it's important to rule out their presence.

- Anti-tnf medications appear to be the most effective maintenance meds.

- Regular scheduled therapy is far superior to episodic dosing.

- LONG TERM response to anti-tnf does have some variables that matter. These are: duration of disease, previous use of anti-tnf medications, antibodies to the medication, episodic therapy, and other use of medications at the same time.

- If a patient has had Crohn's disease for a shorter duration, there is a better chance of a long term response to anti-tnf medications, possibly due to the prevention of irreversible damage such as strictures and abscesses.

- Patients who were diagnosed within 2 years of starting anti-tnf medication have the best chance of maintaining remission.

- In studies of Humira and Cimzia, they found that if you had failed infliximab previously, you had a lower chance of maintaining remission than someone who hadn't had an anti-tnf medication previously. They don't know why but it doesn't seem to be related to antibodies.

- Around 40-50% of people eventually no longer respond to biologics, usually due to the formation of antibodies.

- All anti-tnf medications have antibodies formed against them.

- As of this article writing, only antibody tests were available for Remicade.

- If someone doesn't have antibodies to Remicade but has low levels of the medication in their system, they'll up the dose or shorten the interval. If they patient doesn't have antibodies but is not responding despite having therapeutic levels of the medication in their system, they'll switch to a different type of medication. If they have antibodies they'll switch them to another anti-tnf.

- Episodic treatment rather than regularly scheduled dosing is shown to lead to antibody formation. As in 60% versus around 8-12% for regularly dosed patients.

- When azathioprine and Remicade are taken together, it results in higher amounts of Remicade in the blood than when Remicade is taken alone.

- Methotrexate at doses as low as 7.5mg per week is shown to reduce antibody formation and hasn't shown a significant increase in cancer or infection rates.

- Remicade and 25mg subcutaneously of methotrexate did not increase maintenance of remission at the one year mark versus Remicade alone.

- The SONIC trial showcased that Remicade and Azathioprine together increased rates of maintaining remission of the patient hadn't taken either before.

- The author recommends combination therapy of Remicade and Azathioprine if the patient hasn't been on either previously due to the increased response rates. This is especially true of the patient has perianal disease, multiple surgeries, loss of response to a previous biologic, a history of not taking infusions regularly resulting in episodic treatment, incomplete response to anti-TNF meds.

- The author tries to avoid combination therapy with methotrexate in women if they are of child bearing potential and combination with azathioprine in men under 30 to avoid hepatospleno T-cell lymphoma.

- If a patient is on the combination therapy and gets an infection, they drop the immunosuppressant.

- If the patient is in remission at 12 months they'll consider stopping the immunosuppressant but monitor the patient very closely.

- If response is lost, either increasing the dose or shortening the dosing interval recaptures response in the majority of patients.

- If the dose is increased, after 6-12 months the authors try to reduce the dose back down to the original dose. If the response is lost again, they'll go back up and maintain at the higher dose indefinitely.

- With Humira, if response is lost, they increase the dose from 40mg every two weeks to 40mg every week. After six months if the patient recaptures response, they try to take the dose back to once every two weeks.

- A study, not yet published at the time of the book printing, showcases that 50% of patients who were doing well on Remicade but switched to Humira for convenience reasons flared.

Here are some more links to other articles discussing the use of the biologics that might have some info for you:

http://www.crohnsforum.com/showthread.php?t=42119 (discusses primary non responders and secondary non responders

Rapid infliximab infusions safety (discusses 45 min and 1 hour infusions with remicade)

There are some more in the Books and research section(<--click here) of the forum.

Good luck!
 
@Clash , "Optimizing Anti-TNF Therapy" by Jason W. Harper and Scott D. Lee Thanks! Found this article most helpful as I move towards Anti-TNF treatment ...
 
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