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I'm currently in the process of moving to a state where MM is legal. However, in the meantime I have been consuming kratom. I have been doing so for months before I even got diagnosed and noticed that it reduced bowel movements, provided energy, and helped fight depression.
I am knowledgable about the plant (over 6 months of experience + tons of research + communication with other users) and there seems to be a ton of misinformation out there so I decided to create this thread. I will do my best to provide good information without writing a novel (edit: I pretty much wrote a novel, but it could have been even longer :thumleft
. If you have more questions, please respond.
Note: Before we begin, let me provide a brief caveat. I wouldn't recommend Kratom if you are constipated rather than have diarrhea. It can make constipation worse.
Like MM kratom is completely natural. It has been consumed for thousands of years in southeast Asia (unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to grow in other countries). Natives chew the leaves, but it's commonly ground up into powder.
Kratom is completely legal to consume in most of the United States (determine if it's legal in your country). Enjoy this while it lasts because we all know how big pharm and the government are.
Kratom has a bad rep. It's believed to be addictive and just another legal high like spice and bath salts. This couldn't be further from the truth (thanks again media:mad2. It's natural and is very safe when consumed in an intelligent manner.
The number one key is to NEVER USE EXTRACTS. Extracts are commonly sold in headshops and are the main reason for kratom's bad reputation. They are very addictive and can even cause hallucinations.
If you consume regular kratom powder you will not get high. In fact, the effects are much more subtile than MM. No one will know that you are on a "drug." You will simply feel more energized, happier, and more social. In addition, your pain will be reduced and you will have less bowel movements.
Kratom is not addicting if you rotate strains correctly. Basically, if you consume a strain from a different part of southeast Asia and wait 7 to 9 days before consuming the same strain, you won't develop a significant tolerance. Of course, you will develop some tolerance over time, but I've noticed that it is very minimal. I basically use the exact same dosage as I did when I started.
As for withdrawal, if you rotate strains and avoid extracts it's minimal. Many liken it to a cold that lasts a few days at most. You will only witness withdrawal if you consume kratom everyday, multiple times a day for months at a time. I have never witnessed withdrawal symptoms and do not feel any bad effects when kratom wears off (if you choose to let it wear off rather than redosing).
It's vital that you get good quality kratom. There is a ton of crap being sold out there that will provide mediocre effects at best and negative effects at worse.
You can consume kratom by making it into a tea, swallowing the powder (actually not as bad as it sounds) or mixing in into flavored drinks. Do not smoke it. In order to determine how much you should take, you need to experiment. Everyone is different.
Less is more. The more you take, the more euphoric (and more like an indica, couchlock high) rather than energizing it becomes. Once you reach a certain point, more will only make you feel worse. 4 grams may make you feel much better than 6. Taking too much can lead to nausea, sweating, and tiredness. These effects are not terrible. One time I got overeager and took way too much. I threw up within 20 minutes then took a nap. Compared to consuming way too much MM (forgetting how to breathe, spinning, etc) this was much better. If you are smart about things (start low and ramp up dosage slowly) you will never experience these overdose symptoms.
Kratom is best consumed on an empty stomach. The more full your stomach, the more you need to consume to get the same effect. If you can tolerate coffee, I highly recommend having a couple cups in the morning with kratom. Combining them is incredible for energy. I don't tolerate coffee well at all but I've noticed that if I drink it with kratom is overcomes coffees disastrous effects on my bowel movements.
Also, it is not advised to mix alcohol and kratom. I have done so without bad consequences but I can imagine that drinking a lot while on kratom would be a bad experience. I have not mixed MM and kratom, but many people report enjoying this experience.
Quality Kratom (the only kind you should purchase) will cost you about the same amount as MM per month.
I believe MM is the superior option for two reasons. The first is that unfortunately Kratom reduces appetite. That is the only real negative in regards to this plant. It's not super dramatic, but you will have to force yourself to eat even more than usual (of course, not good for us since most of us have weak appetites).
Secondly, I have no idea if kratom actually improves Crohns. Some people report that the plant has healthy properties but this is just hearsay. Kratom doesn't have the research that MM has so no one really knows if it heals.
Having said that, it definitely seems to help with side effects. If MM isn't legal in your state, it may be a great natural way to help you feel better with little negative effects. The best thing about it in my opinion is how much energy it gives you. Without it I would sleep all day, but when I use it I work for much of the day and even have a good workout.
I'm new here, but I bet many of you have either discarded kratom thanks to rampant misinformation (spread in part by people using extracts and/or bad quality kratom and/or not rotating strains) or have never heard of it. I hope this post has provided information from first hand experience that is valuable to you. Kratom is definitely not a miracle cure, but I think that it will be worth a try for some of you (again especially if MM isn't legal in your state).
I am knowledgable about the plant (over 6 months of experience + tons of research + communication with other users) and there seems to be a ton of misinformation out there so I decided to create this thread. I will do my best to provide good information without writing a novel (edit: I pretty much wrote a novel, but it could have been even longer :thumleft
. If you have more questions, please respond. Note: Before we begin, let me provide a brief caveat. I wouldn't recommend Kratom if you are constipated rather than have diarrhea. It can make constipation worse.
Like MM kratom is completely natural. It has been consumed for thousands of years in southeast Asia (unfortunately, it's nearly impossible to grow in other countries). Natives chew the leaves, but it's commonly ground up into powder.
Kratom is completely legal to consume in most of the United States (determine if it's legal in your country). Enjoy this while it lasts because we all know how big pharm and the government are.
Kratom has a bad rep. It's believed to be addictive and just another legal high like spice and bath salts. This couldn't be further from the truth (thanks again media:mad2
. It's natural and is very safe when consumed in an intelligent manner. The number one key is to NEVER USE EXTRACTS. Extracts are commonly sold in headshops and are the main reason for kratom's bad reputation. They are very addictive and can even cause hallucinations.
If you consume regular kratom powder you will not get high. In fact, the effects are much more subtile than MM. No one will know that you are on a "drug." You will simply feel more energized, happier, and more social. In addition, your pain will be reduced and you will have less bowel movements.
Kratom is not addicting if you rotate strains correctly. Basically, if you consume a strain from a different part of southeast Asia and wait 7 to 9 days before consuming the same strain, you won't develop a significant tolerance. Of course, you will develop some tolerance over time, but I've noticed that it is very minimal. I basically use the exact same dosage as I did when I started.
As for withdrawal, if you rotate strains and avoid extracts it's minimal. Many liken it to a cold that lasts a few days at most. You will only witness withdrawal if you consume kratom everyday, multiple times a day for months at a time. I have never witnessed withdrawal symptoms and do not feel any bad effects when kratom wears off (if you choose to let it wear off rather than redosing).
It's vital that you get good quality kratom. There is a ton of crap being sold out there that will provide mediocre effects at best and negative effects at worse.
You can consume kratom by making it into a tea, swallowing the powder (actually not as bad as it sounds) or mixing in into flavored drinks. Do not smoke it. In order to determine how much you should take, you need to experiment. Everyone is different.
Less is more. The more you take, the more euphoric (and more like an indica, couchlock high) rather than energizing it becomes. Once you reach a certain point, more will only make you feel worse. 4 grams may make you feel much better than 6. Taking too much can lead to nausea, sweating, and tiredness. These effects are not terrible. One time I got overeager and took way too much. I threw up within 20 minutes then took a nap. Compared to consuming way too much MM (forgetting how to breathe, spinning, etc) this was much better. If you are smart about things (start low and ramp up dosage slowly) you will never experience these overdose symptoms.
Kratom is best consumed on an empty stomach. The more full your stomach, the more you need to consume to get the same effect. If you can tolerate coffee, I highly recommend having a couple cups in the morning with kratom. Combining them is incredible for energy. I don't tolerate coffee well at all but I've noticed that if I drink it with kratom is overcomes coffees disastrous effects on my bowel movements.
Also, it is not advised to mix alcohol and kratom. I have done so without bad consequences but I can imagine that drinking a lot while on kratom would be a bad experience. I have not mixed MM and kratom, but many people report enjoying this experience.
Quality Kratom (the only kind you should purchase) will cost you about the same amount as MM per month.
I believe MM is the superior option for two reasons. The first is that unfortunately Kratom reduces appetite. That is the only real negative in regards to this plant. It's not super dramatic, but you will have to force yourself to eat even more than usual (of course, not good for us since most of us have weak appetites).
Secondly, I have no idea if kratom actually improves Crohns. Some people report that the plant has healthy properties but this is just hearsay. Kratom doesn't have the research that MM has so no one really knows if it heals.
Having said that, it definitely seems to help with side effects. If MM isn't legal in your state, it may be a great natural way to help you feel better with little negative effects. The best thing about it in my opinion is how much energy it gives you. Without it I would sleep all day, but when I use it I work for much of the day and even have a good workout.
I'm new here, but I bet many of you have either discarded kratom thanks to rampant misinformation (spread in part by people using extracts and/or bad quality kratom and/or not rotating strains) or have never heard of it. I hope this post has provided information from first hand experience that is valuable to you. Kratom is definitely not a miracle cure, but I think that it will be worth a try for some of you (again especially if MM isn't legal in your state).
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