My girlfriend is interested in Medical Marijuana

[whatdoido]

Please let me start by saying that I am asking questions and performing research for my girlfriend, who was recently (about three days ago) diagnosed (still awaiting biopsy results, but this is the general consensus among the doctors) with Crohn's disease. Granted, we are in the beginning stages of learning what to do and haven't even had her first consultation with her doctors yet, but she has found something on pinterest as well as google about the effects of medical marijuana on her condition and asked me to look into it. We have smoked together on occasion, and she does not enjoy the effect of THC or edibles in general. Vaporizing seems to be the best approach for her as she is a non-smoker. From what I gather any heavier CBD based or indica strain will do her well. She is looking for relief from inflammation, cramping, and pain. Any thoughts on hash/tinctures/topicals or general marijuana strains that would beneficial to her?? I apologize for asking such specific questions, as we live in a state where legalization has occurred, we have access to these things and I would like to provide her with the most effective relief possible without a high. Thank you everyone who responds!!

 

[DJW]

Hi and welcome.
No apology necessary.
I'm afraid I don't have any answers for you. Bring it up at the consult. The last thing she needs is a drug interaction with something the doctor prescribes.

Sending you both my support.

 

[Cali01]

I'm in a similar situation, just diagnosed, interested in getting relief but not a fan of any of the side effects, and interested in using edibles to relieve symptoms. Following.....

 

[Kero]

I self mediate with Marijuana. Honestly, it works the best for my pain. It also slows my digestion so I am not running to the washroom 20 times a day. I have done a ton of research. Vaporizing may give her a bit of a high, but not like actual smoking it does. I would suggest spending the money and get a good quality vaporizer that allows you to control the temperature that the MM vapes at.
Since getting my vape, I have been saving the vaped weed and cooking it in coconut oil so I can ingest it as well. Since I have started it, my symptoms have diminished greatly, though they are still there. I plan on talking to my doc this week and see his stance on cannabis therapy and see if he can sign my papers to make me legal

 

[eastwood]

I self mediate with Marijuana. Honestly, it works the best for my pain. It also slows my digestion so I am not running to the washroom 20 times a day. I have done a ton of research. Vaporizing may give her a bit of a high, but not like actual smoking it does. I would suggest spending the money and get a good quality vaporizer that allows you to control the temperature that the MM vapes at.
Since getting my vape, I have been saving the vaped weed and cooking it in coconut oil so I can ingest it as well. Since I have started it, my symptoms have diminished greatly, though they are still there. I plan on talking to my doc this week and see his stance on cannabis therapy and see if he can sign my papers to make me legal

Couple things here I feel that are very misleading
1) vaping cannabis gets you just as high from smoking if not more. Saying that using a vaporizer will help with not getting as high as smoking is not true at all. Also controlling the temperature of a vaporizer will not affect how high you get. If the cannabinoids are being extracted from the plant from a low or high temperature it does not matter and will get you equally as stone.

2) also taking this to your doctor is not the best thing unless he is a doctor that prescribes cannabis. A normal doctor has no education on cannabis through their medical schooling whatsoever. It is a scheduled one substance from the federal government so it is illegal for doctors to learn about cannabis in medical school or to perform any research whatsoever of any cannabinoids.

I'm truly not trying to give you a hard time and I am here to just help people and to learn more about fighting this disease that we all suffer from. =)

 

[eastwood]

Hi and welcome.
No apology necessary.
I'm afraid I don't have any answers for you. Bring it up at the consult. The last thing she needs is a drug interaction with something the doctor prescribes.

Sending you both my support.

When has cannabis ever had a bad interreaction with any drug that is on the market? I have never seen any proof of this ever. In fact cannabis does not have a bad inter-reaction with any modern medicine on the market.

 

[eastwood]

Please let me start by saying that I am asking questions and performing research for my girlfriend, who was recently (about three days ago) diagnosed (still awaiting biopsy results, but this is the general consensus among the doctors) with Crohn's disease. Granted, we are in the beginning stages of learning what to do and haven't even had her first consultation with her doctors yet, but she has found something on pinterest as well as google about the effects of medical marijuana on her condition and asked me to look into it. We have smoked together on occasion, and she does not enjoy the effect of THC or edibles in general. Vaporizing seems to be the best approach for her as she is a non-smoker. From what I gather any heavier CBD based or indica strain will do her well. She is looking for relief from inflammation, cramping, and pain. Any thoughts on hash/tinctures/topicals or general marijuana strains that would beneficial to her?? I apologize for asking such specific questions, as we live in a state where legalization has occurred, we have access to these things and I would like to provide her with the most effective relief possible without a high. Thank you everyone who responds!!

I have been doing a lot of research on what cannabinoids are best for treating Crohn's disease. It appears that CBD has the best anti-inflammatory properties. Also it appears from experience and research that THC will help with nausea the best. THC also has anti-inflammatory properties as well but not as significant as CBD. Is far as the Indica question it really comes down to Indica is more of a body high which is better for pain management and sativa is more of a head high and is not as good for pain. It's very sad that more research cannot be done in the United States because of the schedule one classification of cannabis on the federal level which prohibits any research in the states. If you want to find real research and really dig deep you will need to look in to the Israel research because they have been the research capital since The prohibition of cannabis. God bless and hope your girlfriend finds the right answer to treat her disease. One last thing Humira is a great drug with controlling this disease but she should try to control her disease through diet and learning what not to eat and see if that works first.

 

[DJW]

When has cannabis ever had a bad interreaction with any drug that is on the market? I have never seen any proof of this ever. In fact cannabis does not have a bad inter-reaction with any modern medicine on the market.

I don't know if that's the case. That's why you ask.

Do you have scientific proof it does NOT interact with anything on the market?
I've never seen any proof to backup your statement.

The fact is mm is legal so its a valid question.

 

[eastwood]

I don't know if that's the case. That's why you ask.

Do you have scientific proof it does NOT interact with anything on the market?

I do not have any scientific proof that says cannabis does not interact with modern medicine. I think the real question is has there ever been one report in history were cannabis had a bad interaction with another drug. The answer is no, and that is not my opinion its a fact. In fact this is the only time I have ever heard someone say cannabis could interact with meds from a doctor. That's the only reason I said something. I'm not sure where you developed that opinion at or where you read that but this is the first time in my 15 years of experience with cannabis I have ever heard of this. People have claimed many things about the plant over the years since prohibition started but no one has ever suggested that natural cannabis could have any chance of a bad interaction with a med.

 

[DJW]

I admitted I don't know. That's why I would ask. It makes perfectly good sence to find out if it could interact. I do that with everything it take. some meds cannot be taken with dairy. Other can interact with grapefruit juice.

The fact is I'm glad it's being legalized and people are being given an option. I'm considering this myself. It would be foolish for me to jump in without checking things out first.

 

[Kero]

Couple things here I feel that are very misleading
1) vaping cannabis gets you just as high from smoking if not more. Saying that using a vaporizer will help with not getting as high as smoking is not true at all. Also controlling the temperature of a vaporizer will not affect how high you get. If the cannabinoids are being extracted from the plant from a low or high temperature it does not matter and will get you equally as stone.

2) also taking this to your doctor is not the best thing unless he is a doctor that prescribes cannabis. A normal doctor has no education on cannabis through their medical schooling whatsoever. It is a scheduled one substance from the federal government so it is illegal for doctors to learn about cannabis in medical school or to perform any research whatsoever of any cannabinoids.

I'm truly not trying to give you a hard time and I am here to just help people and to learn more about fighting this disease that we all suffer from. =)

First off, I am in Canada, so American Federal laws don't apply. Second off, yes controlling the temperature will make a difference. THC is what makes you "high" and is usually released when you combust (AKA burn with a fire). If you vaporize, with a controlled temp, you can have the weed release more CBD rather than the THC. I know FIRSTHAND from experience, not reading stuff online. When I use my vaporizer at a temp of 325F I don't get high, but it kills my pain, for hours

 

[eastwood]

First off, I am in Canada, so American Federal laws don't apply. Second off, yes controlling the temperature will make a difference. THC is what makes you "high" and is usually released when you combust (AKA burn with a fire). If you vaporize, with a controlled temp, you can have the weed release more CBD rather than the THC. I know FIRSTHAND from experience, not reading stuff online. When I use my vaporizer at a temp of 325F I don't get high, but it kills my pain, for hours

Okay fair enough you live in Canada and you don't have to be worried about American federal laws. The same applies for Canada as the doctors receive no schooling about cannabis use as a medicine in school. So like I said taking it to your doctor is not the best thing because he is not going to know anything about it unless he is a doctor that actually prescribes cannabis and has studied on his own time. Doctors from America or Canada go through very similar medical school. I can understand if you're going to your doctor to get it prescribed so it's legal but as far as asking his input is like asking him about some dietary supplement that he knows nothing about because he never learned it in school.

Now you say by controlling the temperature you don't get as high but what type of Strain are you vaporizing? Is it a high CBD strain that has low THC? Here's a fact for you, CBD vaporizes at a higher temperature than THC. So by you saying that you are vaporizing only the CBD because your temperature is set low is impossible. Truth be told THC has the lowest melting point of all of the cannabinoids.

Here are all the melting points and Specific boiling points and roles of cannabinoids

Δ-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Boiling point:157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

cannabidiol (CBD)
Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

Cannabinol (CBN)
Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

cannabichromene (CBC)
Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

Δ-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ-8-THC)
Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Resembles Δ-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

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And I will state again I am not trying to give you a hard time but I feel like there is so much bro science that is associated with cannabis because it has not been studied like it should have been.

 

[Kero]

Fair enough, lol I will admit I have been misinformed. Thanks for the info My doc actually studied in South Africa, and is open to alternative means of killing pain. I am pretty sure he'd be alright with using cannabis over Tylenol with codeine I was taking 100+ pills a month until I switched to MM. I had been warned to be careful, I was going to kill my liver So now I only take them if the pain gets really bad and only take about 20 in a 6 week period

More research definitely needs to be done. I do know that crohns/colitis are covered under diseases that can be prescribed MM in Canada. I am still undiagnosed, been playing the hurry up and wait game for too long

 

[eastwood]

Fair enough, lol I will admit I have been misinformed. Thanks for the info My doc actually studied in South Africa, and is open to alternative means of killing pain. I am pretty sure he'd be alright with using cannabis over Tylenol with codeine I was taking 100+ pills a month until I switched to MM. I had been warned to be careful, I was going to kill my liver So now I only take them if the pain gets really bad and only take about 20 in a 6 week period

More research definitely needs to be done. I do know that crohns/colitis are covered under diseases that can be prescribed MM in Canada. I am still undiagnosed, been playing the hurry up and wait game for too long

No problem :thumleft: I'm glad I could help. Also that's great that you have a doctor that considers alternative medicine besides modern medicine. We need more doctors like that. In this world we live in today we have gotten so far away from natural that there is so much information that has been lost that could be helping all of us.