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I was just diagnosed with Mild to Moderate Chron’s disease


My gastro said he rated it between 3 and 6 on a scale of 1-10


I have no bleeding , no black stools and no real pain


I have diahreaa - that waxes and wanes


My gastro wants me to do zedolizimab infusions because i have a stent in my heart


I am not a big fan of medication.


My gastro said it's dangerous to put off the infusions . How dangerous you think .


Have you found zedolizimab useful and effective.


Is there a reccomended Vit D? I have bought some Methylated B Vit.


Suggestions on an Iron supplement?


I cannot handle YOGURT - how to get Probiotics ? Any good pills?


I am buying inulin and butyrate supplements off amazon


HAS ANYONE TRIED RAPAMYCIN - I have secured some of that ?





Ok that’s a lot ……


Thanks for any info.
 
a naturopathic reply -- it's all i know. clueless about the medical stuff, so no comments there.

bacillus coagulans is the top probiotic pill imo. that stuff is AMAZING. see thread about in the 'research' section. we've had great success with the swanson brand. this is important because there are various strains of bc that have different traits. be patient, it takes weeks/months for it to change the trillion strong microbiome.

also need to find a good pill or food that contains some bifid bacteria. they seem to be THE critical bacteria for many diseases. they crank out butyrate, which keeps us free of many chronic diseases. ibd/crohns symptoms are linked to low bifids. for bifids i would look for a pill that claims to have some sort of coating/etc that helps it get through the stomach acid. bacillus coagulans doesnt need that. it blows through the stomach acid with zero issues.

also look at the sibo and leaky gut threads in the research section. this, imo, is where to start. those protocols and the bacillus coagulans. after a month or two on them, then begin introducing things like yogurt, kefir, kombucha, fermented vegetables. kefir is our favorite. it has a dozen different strains, including multiple bifid strains, and no lactose. lifeway kefir is the only brand available in my area.

inulin is like rocket fuel for the bacteria, including the bifids. worry that adding it to a bad mix might not be the best strategy at the start. consider stopping with that if it doesnt agree with you, restarting it after the sibo or candida has been reduced during the initial month or so. and start slow....one gram/day. slowly work up to 3-5 grams/day. i do 3g/day for maintenance, mixed into my kefir with flaxseed. expect a little gas -- odorless hydrogen. this is how i calibrate my dose -- i take enough to get a little bit of this hydrogen gas. it has benefits too.

two thumbs up for the butyrate -- you can also use real butter for that, thats what we do - multiple tablespoons per day of quality butter. they say that's where the name butter comes from, a derivative of the word butyrate
 
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I googled some of the solutions you proposed with the following results:

bacillus coagulans - has some potential, but nothing conclusive. There are some very limited in scope studies, mostly for IBS - nothing for Crohn's. Not really AMAZING.

bifid bacteria - some help with IBS and UC but studies to date have been inconclusive. Found nothing for Crohn's.

sibo and leaky gut - the OP was not diagnosed with either

kefit, kombucha...- there are lot's of benefits of those foods, but again, not studies clearly showing the ability or lessen symptoms for Crohn's.

I didn't checking the rest. Overall, make sure to not replace the conventional medical care with some 'natural' labeled solutions. I went this way and wasted years without any tangible results.
 
We can’t tell you to go against medical advice
Your doc is telling you the med best for you based on your medical history .

I can tell you under treated or untreated crohns can be deadly.
If it’s in your large colon then they can remove the colon and give you an ostomy bag if this get too bad but left untreated sepsis from ruptured /blocked etc can happen.
Small intestine damage is trickier
Untreated they can remove but you need healthy small bowel to absorb nutrients

No pain or bleeding doesn’t mean there isn’t damage
I can tell you my child now an adult was dx at age 7
Has been on biologics for 13 years
No side effects
Pink healthy intestines
He was mild at dx
He currently takes Stelara which is an infusion at first then injections after that
Tagging @Scipio

yogurt doesn’t have enough probiotics to do anything
Your GI can prescribe visobiome probiotics
But that alone won’t fix things
Talk your GI
Or. Get a second opinion from another gi
But don’t self treat
This is a serious disease
 
I googled some of the solutions you proposed with the following results:

bacillus coagulans - has some potential, but nothing conclusive. There are some very limited in scope studies, mostly for IBS - nothing for Crohn's. Not really AMAZING.

dead wrong. need to do more homework.

bifid bacteria - some help with IBS and UC but studies to date have been inconclusive. Found nothing for Crohn's.

shortage of butyrate and bifids are common with ibd symptoms. bifid shortages cause a wide variety of diseases, including ibd symptoms. see research section for numerous trials/studies posted.

sibo and leaky gut - the OP was not diagnosed with either

it's part of how this all happens. it can get diagnosed if it wants to, but a waste of time/money

kefit, kombucha...- there are lot's of benefits of those foods, but again, not studies clearly showing the ability or lessen symptoms for Crohn's.

it's not the products, its' the bacteria in the products

I didn't checking the rest. Overall, make sure to not replace the conventional medical care with some 'natural' labeled solutions. I went this way and wasted years without any tangible results.

your personal failures in no way disparage the strategies. need to do more homework, change your methods, and try again. this is the right path if one seeks to make the symptoms disappear forever. i used them to make mine disappear at the same time i was taking prednisone from a rheumy. sloooowly backed the drug down to zero, and will never return (now that i know how/why this happens)

replies above in bold
 
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@cheka ...have you actually been diagnosed with crohn's disease?
never asked anybody about it. going by my symptoms it was the closest match in the medical terminology. same thing for RA - it was closest match for my symptoms -- and using that term allowed me to find tons of research that led me to beating the stuff. rheumy called it inflammatory arthritis and treated/tested just like RA. labels are silly for those of us that see the body as intelligent. labels are for drugs.

case in point --- someone tests and it shows low thyroid

medical view --- pump synthetic stuff in there to make up the shortfall. side effects be damned.

naturopathic view --- why thyroid malfunction? gut dysbiosis and/or blood sugar problems. let's work with the body to correct those root causes. side BENEFITS are numerous

the medical view needs to label the thyroid problem -- is it high or low? two different names and different drugs

the naturopath has no need for that -- the causes and the solutions are the same for low or high thyroid

chronic degenerative diseases cannot be isolated to this or that lab marker. it's a super complex system that needs to be addressed -- and the only way to do that properly is at the root cause. pumping pharma in there cascades through the system causing other problems, ie, 'side effects'
 
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I would not expect the various options mentioned in the OP to help. Crohn's is very hard to deal with.

I will say that the only non-pharmaceutical option likely to work is a consistent diet of only formula (EEN). A few people have great success with that alone and stay on it long-term, while most others find that it helps keep things stable enough until another solution kicks in.
 
I would not expect the various options mentioned in the OP to help. Crohn's is very hard to deal with.

I will say that the only non-pharmaceutical option likely to work is a consistent diet of only formula (EEN). A few people have great success with that alone and stay on it long-term, while most others find that it helps keep things stable enough until another solution kicks in.
Where do you get EEN ...in a pharmacy, grocery store ? ..is it liquid in a bottle , are there any brands better than others ?
 
Een is exclusive enteral nutrition
Meaning formula only no solid foods
Its needs to be complete nutrition
So things like boost , ensure , peptamen etc..
Some are at the grocery store
Others are semi elemental (peptamen )
Elemental (vionex )
Through your Gi -durable equipment company for your insurance

een works for some
Just know een is formula only so if diabetes is an issue then it may not work
If kidneys are an issue then high protein could present a probably

my adult child did een for 9 weeks at age 7 instead of oral steriods
It is extremely difficult to see /smell food and not eat it
The body also wants to chew
It has since done it two more times

it worked but once solid food is reintroduced symptoms /inflammation comes back

which is why they use it to reduce inflammation while waiting for biolgics to work
Entyvio can take a long time to be fully effective
 
naturopathic view --- why thyroid malfunction? gut dysbiosis and/or blood sugar problems. let's work with the body to correct those root causes. side BENEFITS are numerous

In general, I’m in favor of considering new or unconventional treatments for Crohn’s or “emerging science” as you call it. After all, the effective therapies we have now for Crohn’s and other diseases all got their start as new or unproven treatments at one time or another. However, I favor them for further study and eventually for controlled clinical trials to prove whether they actually work and to characterize the side effects and other risks associated with them. It is risky to promote “emerging science” for immediate, wide-spread, and uncontrolled use, especially for serious diseases that often produce serious and often permanent disability.

I also acknowledge your passion and eagerness to help others find solutions to their medical conditions as you did for yours. I applaud your admirable energy and willingness to help. But having said that, I see several red flags in your approach.

Red Flags:

Universal Panacea
– it’s a rare and valuable drug or therapy that can successfully treat more than one medical condition. And it’s even rarer to find one like say aspirin that can help with as many as three. The long history of medical science teaches us that it never turns out to be true when over-the-top claims are made for miraculous cures for a long list of diseases, especially diseases that have little or nothing in common.

These kinds of extravagant claims of a single therapy curing Crohn’s, IBS, RA, lupus, high blood pressure, thyroid disease, long COVID, diabetes, obesity, cancer, cardiovascular and central nervous system disorders, etc. throw us right back into the era of the traveling patent medicine shows of the 19th and early 20th centuries. Those bogus doctors and their harmful snake oil medications had largely been put out of business by the mid-20th century. But unfortunately, the advent of the internet as an uncontrolled purveyor of all manner of nonsense has enabled them to proliferate once again.

Low Quality of Evidence – The highest form of scientific evidence for a medical therapy is a controlled, prospective, randomized, double-blind clinical trial. The altering of gut dysbiosis as a way to treat Crohn’s disease has had exactly zero success in meeting that rigorous standard. Instead we are left with: 1) a few preliminary studies - often very small, retrospective, and poorly designed, 2) some animal studies using animals that don’t have human Crohn’s disease, 3) quack theories by “doctors” trying to sell you their elixir and/or book, and 4) the worst of all: testimonials.

Testimonials are lowest form of scientific evidence because they are not scientific at all. It doesn’t matter how absurd a theory or therapy may be, you can always find someone willing to say it cured their disease. If you put forth the theory of say rubbing monkey dung on a patient’s head under the light of a full moon would cure their Crohn’s, or cancer, or what have you, I’m sure you could find someone, somewhere willing to swear that it worked wonders for them.

Testimony may be admissible in a court of law, but for purposes of establishing a scientific theory as fact, testimonials are worth exactly zero. When you click on some doc’s website where she/he is promoting a new miracle cure that mainstream medicine hasn’t discovered yet, and there is a section or link or tab marked “Testimonials,” run the other way. Relying on testimonials to promote a cure means the cure hasn’t got any real data behind it.

The True Believer – We've seen this movie before. You are not the first new member to come on the forum and energetically tell everyone that they have found THE solution to Crohn’s disease. A few years ago MAP was all the rage. The forum was bombed with MAP posts from true believers. Anti-MAP antibiotic therapy. MAP vaccines. MAP, MAP, and more MAP. MAP is still around but it has since come back down to earth.

We also had a round or two of Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) fervor. LDN was the Cure du Jour for a while. But like MAP it hasn’t panned out and instead has faded back into an experimental, low-level niche therapy.

Just a few months ago we had a new member come on the forum and carpet bomb us with multiple posts telling of his own miraculous Crohn’s cure. His personal cure story was supplemented with some weak data from small, lousy studies and some theory being pushed by a professor of Neuroscience. So what was this miracle Crohn’s cure? Beef. The miraculous cure was to eat a diet that consisted of 100% beef. No other meats and no food of plant origin at all. Swore that the beef diet was the wave of the future for Crohn’s – a true cure at last.

So erase “100% beef diet” and write “leaky gut/dysbiosis” in its place and we have a description of the phase we are currently passing through.

So as I say, I’m in favor of new approaches and unconventional treatments. But until they are proven by actual rigorous clinical trials, it is best not to be pushing widespread use of these “emerging” therapies. Your leaky gut/dysbiosis theory has some merit and may be worthy of further study, but right now there are just too many unknowns, and way too many red flags.
 
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Een is exclusive enteral nutrition
Meaning formula only no solid foods
Its needs to be complete nutrition
So things like boost , ensure , peptamen etc..
Some are at the grocery store
Others are semi elemental (peptamen )
Elemental (vionex )
Through your Gi -durable equipment company for your insurance

een works for some
Just know een is formula only so if diabetes is an issue then it may not work
If kidneys are an issue then high protein could present a probably

my adult child did een for 9 weeks at age 7 instead of oral steriods
It is extremely difficult to see /smell food and not eat it
The body also wants to chew
It has since done it two more times

it worked but once solid food is reintroduced symptoms /inflammation comes back

which is why they use it to reduce inflammation while waiting for biolgics to work
Entyvio can take a long time to be fully effective
Een is exclusive enteral nutrition
Meaning formula only no solid foods
Its needs to be complete nutrition
So things like boost , ensure , peptamen etc..
Some are at the grocery store
Others are semi elemental (peptamen )
Elemental (vionex )
Through your Gi -durable equipment company for your insurance

een works for some
Just know een is formula only so if diabetes is an issue then it may not work
If kidneys are an issue then high protein could present a probably

my adult child did een for 9 weeks at age 7 instead of oral steriods
It is extremely difficult to see /smell food and not eat it
The body also wants to chew
It has since done it two more times

it worked but once solid food is reintroduced symptoms /inflammation comes back

which is why they use it to reduce inflammation while waiting for biolgics to work
Entyvio can take a long time to be fully effective
Would the below “Ensure “ fit the bill as an EEN/EN product ?

Ensure Max Protein Milk Chocolate Nutrition Shake, 30g Protein, 1g Sugar, 4g Comfort Fiber Blend, 12 Pack
Boost seems to have too much sugar , like 24g in each bottle.

nestle vionex too expensive
peptamen is also too expensive

I note peptamen advertises itself as 100% Whey protein - I have something called “Gold Standard Whey” …. It’s 100% Whey protein …30g protein per scoop …but it’s only 120 calories a scoop and not the 300-400 calories like those mentioned above.

My only symptom is diahreaa …. so my stools alternate between sorta ok to more like diahreaa and that’s the only thing that i think tells me if the inflammation is “flaring” - I guess. I would feel better about anything that cuts down the diahreaa. I have my appt with the gastro on May 9 and have to decide then if I want the vedolizimab infusions. My concern is I see quite a few who claim they are in remission …using other methods…like ‘all meat’ diets and this and that. It just seems that the infusions are not actually solving the problem but just mediating the symptoms. I guess once you get chron’s you can never hope to solve it …? My gastro don’t explain much ..and I wonder if I can go on vedolizimab for 6 months and then off it ..if i want ..or is that a bad idea and I must remain locked in forever.
 
your personal failures in no way disparage the strategies. need to do more homework, change your methods, and try again. this is the right path if one seeks to make the symptoms disappear forever. i used them to make mine disappear at the same time i was taking prednisone from a rheumy. sloooowly backed the drug down to zero, and will never return (now that i know how/why this happens)

True, but by the same token, your personal successes in no way provide approval of the strategies you describe. It works both ways.

It's important to prioritize evidence-based approaches, especially when it comes to managing serious conditions like Crohn's disease. Anecdotal success stories are valuable, but they need to be supported by rigorous scientific research to ensure safety and efficacy for everyone. I'm glad you found relief, but I'll continue to seek solutions that are backed by clinical studies to make informed decisions about my health.
 
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True, but by the same token, your personal successes in now way provide approval of the strategies you describe. It works both ways.

It's important to prioritize evidence-based approaches, especially when it comes to managing serious conditions like Crohn's disease. Anecdotal success stories are valuable, but they need to be supported by rigorous scientific research to ensure safety and efficacy for everyone. I'm glad you found relief, but I'll continue to seek solutions that are backed by clinical studies to make informed decisions about my health.

i support your right to choose. if you like your drugs and side effects, you can keep your drugs and side effects. i had come to grips with living on prednisone my whole life, knowing it too would destroy me, just in a different way. at the same time i continued researching for the cause and how to make it disappear. got lucky and found it. my story is not unique -- naturopathic strategies work for all sorts of chronic degenerative diseases, esp autoimmunes.

i'm going to be posting videos in the research section that testify and/or explain these successes. i've already started the thread and posted a couple of videos - one medical, one naturopathic. the naturopathic video features a guy that beat ibd and now advises others on how to do same. he also goes over sibo, leaky gut, candida, etc. he's done his homework.

note that the op in this thread ASKED for this information. the attacks on the information that i'm providing the member are in bad taste.

telling that all of the experts on this site and the medical workers they hire have no answers - just drugs with horrific side effects. this is not unique to ibd symptoms. see it in all sorts of other chronic diseases too. i ran into the same thing in my dig on inflammatory arthritis - no answers, just drugs and doom. it's disheartening, but falsely so. big medical/big media have installed a brain virus in our people - drugs as the only answer. it's tragic.
 
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Please note the poster encouraging naturopathic ways was never diagnosed with crohns by any medical doctor or naturopathy doctor.
Poster is self diagnosed from the internet and self “cured” of Crohn’s disease by kitchen experiments .
Nothing has been confirmed tested or monitored.
Please verify with your personal GI for advice before changing any treatments
 
i support your right to choose. if you like your drugs and side effects, you can keep your drugs and side effects. i had come to grips with living on prednisone my whole life, knowing it too would destroy me, just in a different way. at the same time i continued researching for the cause and how to make it disappear. got lucky and found it. my story is not unique -- naturopathic strategies work for all sorts of chronic degenerative diseases, esp autoimmunes.

i'm going to be posting videos in the research section that testify and/or explain these successes. i've already started the thread and posted a couple of videos - one medical, one naturopathic. the naturopathic video features a guy that beat ibd and now advises others on how to do same. he also goes over sibo, leaky gut, candida, etc. he's done his homework.

note that the op in this thread ASKED for this information. the attacks on the information that i'm providing the member are in bad taste.

telling that all of the experts on this site and the medical workers they hire have no answers - just drugs with horrific side effects. this is not unique to ibd symptoms. see it in all sorts of other chronic diseases too. i ran into the same thing in my dig on inflammatory arthritis - no answers, just drugs and doom. it's disheartening, but falsely so. big medical/big media have installed a brain virus in our people - drugs as the only answer. it's tragic.


this forum and other forums on the internet are full of people pushing natural/herbal/Chinese/Ayurvedic cures and herbs. Many of them are Crohns patients themselves who had give up actual medicine prescribed by their GI and were on these "cures" and herbs for 1 or 2 or 3 years. Many of these people come back to post how big of a mistake it was and they have lost their colon because of it or had to undergo surgery. Uncontrolled inflammation due to Crohns causes a lot of damage and many times there are not much symptoms. You seem to be pushing people towards a very bad and even deadly outcome.

If you HAVE Crohns and are not on any meds -- its your choice. I would like to hear from you 2-3 years from now how you are doing but in the meantime please stop spreading misinformation. Many times science does not have answers to questions and that ok. People work on it using the scientific method and eventually find an answer if there exist one.

Blaming big media or pharma companies points to conspiracy theory mindset and I think its a waste of time trying to convince you otherwise.
 

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