Remicade cycle & fatigue?

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Oh my, how have I missed so much in this thread! Hoping for no surprises in the labs and that the changes in remicade help!

C had really high level of antibodies and we had to move on. He also had a slight reaction twice which is why we tested. I think it's worth it to stay on the remicade train as long as you can, too.

Your son seems to handle his double diagnosis well. That's so awesome that he has a positive outlook.

I hope the remicade kicks CD in the butt and just keeps on keeping on!
 
Hope the bigger dose and shortened time does the trick and he can ride the train for a while longer. I cross my fingers every time we go for infusion that it keeps on working. Tomorrow is infusion day for us.
 
Turns out both CRP and ESR, while still in the normal range, were the highest they've ever been since starting Remicade eighteen months ago. CRP has traditionally been a good marker for him. I'm thinking he will be sticking with six weeks.

Not sure if it was the dose or the antibodies, but we had quite a few visits from the nurse today. Lurking nurses make for nervous mothers!
 
It's a good sign that your son didn't have any signs of allergic reaction today. Fingers crossed that the increased dose works its magic, and he gets to stay with Remicade for a good while longer.
 
Fingers and toes crossed that the higher dose will work like magic!!
 
Whoa! Appetite is back and then some. Think it's the Solumedrol?

After seeing him eat as much as he did all day, it reminded me how sneaky this disease is. In my mind I was making mental notes that his appetite had been dropping, but it was always little things like only one bowl of cereal or a handful of chips instead of the whole bag. Now that he's eating in massive quantities again in a matter of a day, the difference is very apparent.

It's that same old thing where we live with and see our kiddos every day and because of this may not fully notice or see the subtle changes that the disease has. How do you deal with that?

On a positive note, I'm sure the five pounds he lost over that last six weeks were gained back at breakfast.
 
It's that same old thing where we live with and see our kiddos every day and because of this may not fully notice or see the subtle changes that the disease has. How do you deal with that?

On a positive note, I'm sure the five pounds he lost over that last six weeks were gained back at breakfast.

I try to keep notes. I print out a monthly calendar just to keep track of bowel patterns and eating patterns - energy levels. Plus anything that just seems weird. I don't keep it up perfectly but it helps to see patterns and then I don't have to rely on my memory.

It helps me know when to make "the call".

It's so happy to see them eat like that. :dance: Sounds like a good sign.
 
M had that too with Solumedrol! It only lasted two days or so after the infusion, but it was great to watch her eat like that.
 
M got 200mg with Remicade to prevent a reaction. She is around 39 kg (86 lbs). When it was given for severe inflammation in her joints, she got 1000mg for 5 days.
 
A gets 25mg as a pre-med (she's 26kg). Her new Immunologist acted like that was a lot and would like to try discontinuing it. I was just wondering how it compared to what others were getting.
 
At our infusion center 100mg or 200mg seem to be the doses most kids are on for pre-meds. I know of one kiddo who has been on 100mg for 3 years with Remicade. She is an older teenager though so growth probably isn't an issue like it is for younger kids.
 
Dancemom it's not the dose but the long term effects in kids
Osteoporosis
Glaucoma
Cateracts
Diabetes
Stunted growth
Addison's disease

Those are not possible side effects but are extremely likely to happen and increase with each dose.
Fwiw 25 mg is not low at all
5 mg is considered low dose

I couldn't tell you how much DS recieved with his remicade since it was only once prior to his second reaction.

I can say he has been on steriods since the middle of April starting at 40 mg and quickly movied down to 20 mg.
He was at 5 mg finally but had to increase back to 10 mg due to joint inflammation.
The docs know the likely outcome which is why they try to not use steriods or to only use them in the smallest doses for the least amount of time possible .
 
A was on 40mg of prednisone for months, so 25mg once every 4 weeks just doesn't seem like much in comparison. Of course long term effects of steroid use concern me, but I wonder what those risks really are at only 25mg. I already know that she is susceptible to aseptic meningitis without solumedrol, so weighing the pros and possible cons is difficult.
 
I don't know what counts as a low or a high dose, but I will say that M has been on steroids way more than we would like her to have been in the last few years. Her bone density last year showed a significant decrease since 2011.

We have checked again this year since she has basically spent half the year on (low) doses of steroids but I really am not looking forward to seeing the results of her DEXA scan later this week.

It's a really hard choice :(
 
The body only produces 2 mg of cortisol a day if that helps .

Right now for DS the benefits of steriods outweigh the risk
But ....
Still don't like the risks since this is his third long course of steriods (months long) in three years
 
I know the nurse told me, but I didn't write it down. I'll ask at his GI appt this month. DS is already small and I'm not too thrilled with adding steroids, but... not thrilled with a possible allergic reaction either.
 
I am pretty sure getting the one time dose as a premedication does not have the same risk of long term effects as prolonged dosing for a flare. I too worry about this especially since my daughter has been on them since October this time.
 
DS had his 6 month GI appt today. I have a better understanding of the Remicade dosing and why he was only getting 200mL. At our clinic it is based on weight the day of the infusion and we looked back at the numbers and he was always just shy of 50 kilos (which would round up to 300mL) with lots of hovering at 49 kilos, hence the rounding down to 200mL. It didn't help that he hasn't gained any weight to push him over the little bit he needed weight wise. A catch-22 of sorts. So, our current plan of 7.5 every six weeks (400mL) should take care of things.

The Solumedrol should also help and his GI said there are no long term health risks with the low dose he's getting, which eased my mind. We also talked about adding methotrexate or 6MP, but his GI thinks that's still a long way off. I forgot to ask if his intermediate TPMT would affect this decision at all. Does anyone know? The intent is to lower the immune response, but with an intermediate TPMT...?

Growth has tapered off a bit and we briefly talked about growth hormone therapy, but DS has no interest whatsoever (needles!). GI said you really need the buy in from the kids so if DS isn't interested, he's not going to push. He's been holding at the 10th% (up from the 5th) and may be following my short side of the family. I just hope he doesn't regret turning down the injections when he maxes out at 5'6".

It's been two years since DS has had scopes or an MRE, so that came up as well. If this next six week cycle doesn't go well, then we'll do both, but I said an MRE will only happen if he gets some sort of anxiety reducing med with it. I (we) hate MRE's, but as you know, it's the only way to see his anastamosis site and look for other stricturing in the small intestine. If he doesn't do them this year, then he'll have to for sure next year with standard of care.

I think DS had a really hard time at this appt. He was very, very quiet. Aside from going to his infusions, he's essentially been Crohn's free, so to speak, and then we spent the entire appt talking about the what ifs and the things that still need to happen, symptoms or not. Some denial going on, I think. I know we still have several years, but he has no interest of taking charge of his healthcare. Still the little boy who needs to hold mom's hand, yet wants to be treated like an adult for everything else in life.

On a bright note, DS #2 got poked for a Celiac panel and did awesome. We do them every 3 years on him since DS has Celiac. He is the complete opposite patient as his brother. Am I an awful mom to say it was rather refreshing? I had to be careful to not over praise #2 in front of DS.

Sorry that was all so long. Mom therapy!
 
Did he say why adding MTX or 6MP is a long way off? Just curious since your DS already had antibodies...I would assume he would want to prevent him from making more but that is just my lay-person understanding!

My daughter has never been sedated for an MRE but is sedated for an NJ tube placement, and they used Versed (IV). For lighter sedation, they said they could use Ativan (that would be a pill). It makes her pretty out of it and very easy for her to tolerate.

Glad everything else went relatively well!
 
It sounds like a good 'update' type appointment - no surprises!

I think the what ifs do put a dent into the denial bubble. He's been feeling good so why think otherwise!?! :D

But glad it's smooth sailing... :)
 
my iron levels are fine, b12 fine and i dont have any antibodies to remicade, but i am fatigued…….i think it might just be par for the course, for people with crohns???
 
Maya142 - I think mostly because his antibody level was a 24, only 2 above the normal range of 22.

happy poo poo - The fatigue that triggered the increase in dosage was crazy tired fatigue. He could barely even walk up the stairs. It was "different" than what he's usually experienced and when the levels test came back showing zero Remi in his body at eight weeks, it all made sense.

So, of course there is always a "you've got to be kidding", right? Found out tonight the little boy we've been driving to baseball has mono. DS has been in the car with us, sitting next to him even, for the last week or so. To top off the night, another team member left after the first inning, not feeling well. Fingers and toes crossed DS doesn't get it (or the rest of DS #2's baseball team!).
 
S's first year of university, he was sharing a dorm apartment with three other boys. The boy in the bedroom next to him, with which he shared a bathroom left school in November. S told me he just found it too tough... months later, S admitted he left because he had mono (and S just hadn't wanted to worry me :eek:)... so, very close quarters and yet S had no problems! :thumright:
 
Makes sense! Really hope things stay good so he doesn't have to think about Crohn's at all.

Fingers and toes crossed he doesn't get mono. My older daughter managed to avoid it on Humira even when two of her roommates in school got it, so hopefully it will be the same for your kiddo.
 
Sitting at DS's infusion right now.

Happy to report that every six weeks at 7.5mg/kg seems to be doing the trick. He's getting 40mg of Solumedrol with his pre-meds, as well. Seems like almost nothing compared to what some of your kiddos who are at 100-200mg.

Six weeks sure flies by though. I feel like we were just here. DS does too. Very, very grumpy... and we're in a tiny six by six room. Lucky me.
 
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