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LMAO :rof: Given the earlier conversation.... I was wondering (but didn't want to say it)... :eek:

He's not back yet... we'll see what he has to say tonight! :)

Strange world we live in when I'm giddy and relieved that he's coming back ONLY with a dislocated shoulder! :ybatty:
 
Bloody Norah! Ugh, can well imagine you can't wait to actually lay your eyes on him!

I hope the shoulder doesn't give him too much grief and all heals well. :ghug:

He must be home now, yeah?

Good luck!

Dusty. xxx
 
Just waiting at airport now. Ugghh, very late flight!

Hubby was not quite as relieved as I was at 'only' a shoulder injury. :ymad: He wants to know how it was that S cudnt manage one week in DR without a visit to the hospital! :lol: shall I suggest he may have been doing some 'spring cleaning'!?!
 
Waiting at airports, waiting at doctors, waiting at hospitals, waiting for results! Is that all we are destined to do! :lol:

Spring cleaning sounds a brilliant excuse! You can say he was helping a lady clean up some cake, after all, you don't have to mention she is young and was actually coming out of it!

Dusty. xxx
 
Tess,
Have been having Internet issues so just caught up. Stephen must be home by now. How is he doing? Glad he is home.
 
Tks Kim :).

Stephen is home, sling and all. ;) Seems it really was a shower accident - he was holding on to the shower curtain rod as he stepped in to the tub, foot slipped and all his weight went onto his arm. I think it was quite an experience, being at ER with drs who spoke little English! They gave him painkillers by IV and, after x-rays, told him they were going to put it back. He asked if it wud hurt and the dr said 'oh YES' :ack: and said he cud just relax??? S hadn't understood they were giving him anathesia, so he said that freaked him out when he started to feel the effect! :eek: but he said when he woke up, all was good and very little pain. He showed me a pic of his shoulder his friend had taken bfr it was popped back in... :eek:

To add to the excitement, drs had wrapped it all up with tape but, Stephen said, by the nxt day, after sleeping on it and spending the day by the pool, it had gotten wet and it was half on/half off (he looked like a mummy!). When they went thru security at the DR airport, they pulled aside into a private room and started questioning him on why it was wrapped, who wrapped it,if anything was wrapped in there and spent a few minutes feeling around all the wrapping!! :eek: Said the officers were nice but was still a bit scary!

So it was a birthday he'll certainly remember! And I can breathe again! ;)
 
How many grey hairs have appeared in the last week Tess?! :eek2:

So good hear he is back safe and sound under your roof and your eagle eye! :ghug:

Dusty. xxx
 
Last week, Stephen had his first MRE since starting remicade...

...significant interval improvement in appearance of small bowel.
...the stricture seen before is no longer depicted.
...improvement of wall thickening of 'skip lesions' seen before.
...normal wall enhancement through the small bowel.

:dance: :dance:

But... still...

...mild wall thickening of the very distal portion of TI, with areas of pseudo-sacculation as before.
...some persistent areas of angulation.
...very small lymph nodes are seen within the ileocolic region. No lymphadenopathy.


I think it's good! :D Maybe not perfect but we're on our way. :thumright:

Follow up apptmt is in a couple of weeks.

In the meantime, anyone know what sacculation and/or angulation means or if the mention of small lymph nodes is important?

:)
 
Can't really help with the terms but great improvement! C hated the MRE I wish Stephen could send him some of that "no big deal" over the MRE since its gonna be like pulling teeth to get C through another one!
 
What does C not like about the MRE?? Is it just the time to go to the apptmt? That is one thing S complains about - ALL the apptmts, regardless of what they are for (MRE, infusions, follow ups, dentist, physicals, etc., etc.) The only issue that S ever had re an MRE was worry over the taste of the contrast drink but, once he found it was tolerable, the rest of the MRE is fine.
 
C has only had the one MRE and that was while he was in the hospital back in February, I think it was a combo of things. He had been constipated and no appetite and they filled him up with that drink which made him sick(remember he vomited up the ng tube which scared him because it came out his mouth), then half way into the MRE that gave him this IV that made him feel hot all over and he started vomiting again. Lastly, I think just the uncomfortable position they made him stay in for so long. He didn't like drinking the stuff for that barium test we did before dx either, he just kept throwing it up. He says it is too thick to drink that much and it makes him gag and puke.

Now the colonoscopy he drinks Gatorade and miralax and he down that like there is nothing to it, says he is a little sloshy but not nauseated from it.
 
have him add kool aid singles to the barium cups next time-
we split on packet between the three cups-
it is DS approved.
 
C didn't mind the taste it was more the texture of the barium stuff but he is kind of a texture kid, anything with a weird texture and he starts gagging then vomiting. But, hey, I'll definitely try it!!
 
Glad to hear the good MRE report. It sounds like the lymph nodes were just noted but not enlarged, so maybe they're normal.

I found this:
Pseudosacculations are a consequence of relative sparing of the antimesenteric border within an affected bowel segment. Fibrosis and shortening of the diseased mesenteric wall lead to apparent dilatation of the opposing normal bowel wall. Because all three bowel wall layers form the sacculation (in contrast to colonic diverticular disease), such a finding may also be referred to as a pseudodiverticulum.http://radiographics.rsna.org/content/30/2/367.full

Not totally sure about angulation but I did see a reference state it could be from an adhesion.

In any case, it sounds like the pseudosacculation and angulation are unchanged. :)
 
Thanks xmdmom. :)

Clash - poor C! I can see why he wouldn't want another MRE! Stephen had a horrible first colonoscopy, he was NOT happy about having his second. BUT, as his second went relatively easy, he's not worried about the 'next' one anymore. Hopefully, C will have a much easier time with his next MRE.

Although, I totally understand re the texture thing... I've been surprised that S found it easy to drink (and have not dared to ask why he's found it easy! :ack:) :lol:
 
Catching up Tess :)

So glad to see improvement on S's MRE since starting Remicade !
Gives me hope for Gab , so thanks for sharing.

OH..and Happy (very) belated birthday to him, and glad his shoulder was ok and he made it through security ! LOL
(told you I'm "catching up!")

xoxoxox
 
Pseudosacculations are a consequence of relative sparing of the antimesenteric border within an affected bowel segment. Fibrosis and shortening of the diseased mesenteric wall lead to apparent dilatation of the opposing normal bowel wall. Because all three bowel wall layers form the sacculation (in contrast to colonic diverticular disease), such a finding may also be referred to as a pseudodiverticulum.

Phew!! I'm glad you cleared that up xmdmom:)!! And yes :dusty:, I'm sure that's all clear to you but lil ol dum rednecks like me just don't get it! So the sacculations are actually the normal parts that just look abnormally swollen because the fibrotic parts are drawn up???

I'm glad the overall trend is good Tess!
 
Yes, I think you've sort of got it Dexky! :medal1:

The way I envision it, if you had one of those long, thin ballons and blow it up but one section (only on one side) did not expand (the scar tissue), what would happen?...

1. the balloon would curve rather than blow up straight, this curve is what I think they are referring to when they mention angulation. Rather than a gradual loop in the small bowel, there is a sharper turn.

2. now think silly putty... this same area of the small bowel (opposite to scar tissue) is now stretched to form the curve and, as it's stretched, small areas in the outer wall/membrane may lose some of it's 'structure' or 'binding' (not sure how to describe this??). The walls of these small, thin areas may now bulge because the stretching has caused small areas to lose 'connection' with the rest of the tissue (think silly putty when it's stretched and you get those little air bubbles). I didn't post it above (didn't realize it's relevance until I did my studying last night ;)) but the MRE commented that it looked like a 'bunch of grapes' - so a bunch of little sacs.

(I hope this is making sense, writing it is helping me make sense of it! :))

This may all tie in to something seen in his previous MRE - fixed bowel loops. Never did get a chance to clarify what this meant but, now I'm thinking these fixed bowel loops were adhesions due to inflammation, leading to some scar tissue which has resulted in angulation and sacculation.

Have no idea if any of this is right!!! :eek: This is just me trying to make sense of the medical mumbo-jumbo I was reading last night! :lol:

And, I have no idea what the consequences are of angulation (risk of obstruction??) or sacculation (risk of infection or perforation??). Questions for the follow up apptmt. :study:
 
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Repeating what I said above
Have no idea if any of this is right!!!
, from a bit more reading... the 'sacs' seem to be located on the inside wall (ie lumen), perhaps on the scar tissue??

Just don't want to pass on wrong information :ack:
 
Glad it is looking better and I like your explanation that sort of makes more sense to my brain and being able to imagine it.
 
Yep, had to take it way down to balloons and silly putty so I could try to understand! :lol: And, still not sure I do! :ybatty:
 
So fab to hear that things have improved Tess! May it keep on keeping on!

:mademyday:

Dusty. xxx
 
Glad to hear the MRE has improved so much. I think small lymph nodes and no lymphadenopathy sounds like opposites...
 
Had our follow-up with GI yesterday and all is moving along! :banana:

GI is happy with improvement since starting remicade, tested for remicade levels and antibodies again as we recently moved to a six week schedule and will let me know if any issue. If all continues to go well, in a few months, will consider moving out again to 7 or 8 weeks.

Just a couple of bits of info (might be useful to someone else at some point ;))

- children's multi vitamins - I asked to test vitamin levels as S has now stopped EN and, given Stephen's dislike of most fruits/veggies, he agreed and suggested S take a multi-vitamin each day. He recommended a children's vitamin as he said they are absorbed higher up in the small intestine. Still trying to convince S to drink a shake each day (compared some brands of children's vitamins and shakes and the shakes provide more vitamins) - S doesn't mind the shakes, the problem is him remembering (especially as he's leaving soon for school)!!! :ybatty:

- the fixed bowel loops in the previous MRE and angulation shown in most recent MRE - kinda vague but... MREs didn't specify if these two comments were referring to the exact same area, either/both 'may' have been from inflammation, angulation 'might' have simply been the positioning of the loops at that particular time in the MRE 'snapshot'. Said comparisons between MREs are better indicators of any permanent damage rather than a one time brief image. Agreed these could pose a slightly higher risk of obstruction but not overly concerned, said if it isn't bothering Stephen at all now, 'probably' won't...

Unless something changes, next apptmt isn't until Spring 2014!!! :dance:


But really annoyed with myself :angry-banghead: (and Stephen!!) that we forgot to ask about his sensitivity to ambient temperature!! It's not related to remicade as he began to notice this before remi but I do worry a bit if it is related to an auto-immune thyroid issue (or some other???). It's something that constantly annoys Stephen and I can't believe we both forgot to ask!!! :ymad: Ugghh!! But, from all I've read re thyroid, hypothalamus, etc. he doesn't fit any other symptoms and his sensitivity is to both heat in the summer and cold in the winter??? But, he's got his annual check up soon, so we'll just ask his GP. Coincidentally, I happened to read that deficiencies in iodine and/or magnesium can effect the body's ability to regulate body temperature but, of course, didn't read this till AFTER the GI apptmt so didn't specifically ask that these be tested.

But, all in all, a good apptmt!!! :D


(And now... dealing with my baby leaving home... :cry:)
 
Hey Tess
Glad for the good update. It is funny Caitlyn is also more sensitive to temperatures. She gets heat rashes all over her legs all the time. We never had her magnesium tested. I was thinking about it because I am taking magnesium for prevention of kidney stones. By the way I found out you have to be careful with the type of magnesium supplement as a lot of them cause bad diarrhea. I am taking something called Beelith. It is a mag supplement that is a little more gentle on the stomach.
 
Glad he had a good visit!

Never ever heard of hypomg causing temp dysregulation --where did you see that? Low mg is more likely associated with neuromuscular symptoms and low Ca. I'm guessing iodine def was listed as a cause of temp abnormalities because it can cause hypothyroidism, but there would usually be other symptoms (low pulse, sluggish, dry skin) and not sure why he'd be iodine def.
 
Was thinking about the deficiencies a bit more and not sure it fits... he started to complain about this in the winter, we'd walk outside for just a few minutes and his teeth would start chattering and he'd be shivering (I'd feel cool but not cold like him) and, now, we step out of the office and after being outside for 5 minutes (even if we're just standing), he's begins to feel hot and clearly begins to perspire (and, it's been 23/24 deg. C, less than 80F - not THAT hot). But, when thinking about the vitamin deficiency today, he's been on EN (elemental formula) until July... there's no reason why he wouldn't have been absorbing the minerals (was getting 333 mg magnesium per night, RDA 400 and 134 mcg iodine, RDA 150).

No migraines or any other thyroid related symptoms that I've asked him about. The only other thing he complains about, which I have read can also be connected to magnesium and/or low iron is restless leg syndrome (last check, iron levels were at the minimum but normal range). And, Kim, no heat rashes, just overall 'hot'.

Unfortunately, TSH and T4 levels haven't been tested since last year.

So not sure what to think (ugghh, wish I hadn't forgotten to ask GI!)???

xmdmom - I can't find the site I was on yesterday re magnesium and its contribution to regulation of body temperature. At the time, I was only looking for general info on vitamins when I was comparing the children's multi vs the nutritional shakes when I came across a comment about mag and regulation of body temperature (but it's mentioned in these articles...)

http://www.progressivehealth.com/thyroid-magnesium.htm
http://voices.yahoo.com/importance-magnesium-good-health-7472006.html
 
Hi tesscorm. I am glad your son is doing great. I suffer fro hypo, Hypo it's supposed to affect only the cold tolerance, I do have less tolerance to both hot and cold, No migraines unless my pill dose is to high. Calves spams if is too low. Low magnesium causes a lot of things including low thyroid function.
 
Thanks CarolinAlaska, I do hope it's not really a 'problem', just not sure what it is??? It's kinda like my daughter's rashes, just not sure what's causing that either... :ybatty: I'm hoping neither is really 'anything' but, you know... once burned, twice shy! Not super worried but just enough of a twinge in my mind that questions 'well then, what is it?'.

I can't call the GI back just for this... :eek: I'm sure most of his patients have much more serious issues for him to deal with, so will just have to wait until his check-up (we've waited this long... what's another 5 weeks?? :)) At least, for Stephen, it'll very soon be not too hot, and not too cold! ;)

aracelli - before being diagnosed with hypo, did you have any other symptoms or was it mainly just the intolerance to temperature??
 
I was very depressed after my daughter was born, more than a year so I knew it was not baby blues. I felt very tired, had pain in my calves (felt like I had run a marathon) gaining weight like crazy, mood changes, Hot flashes.
 
Thanks araceli. Gosh, it must have been hard to deal with all that plus a newborn!! :eek: Hope your medication keeps it all under control! :ghug:
 
Yea it was hard. I felt better after they found my right med dose. I had hard time getting pregnant with my two older kids, after they fix the lump in thyroid, I got a surprise lump in my tummy, He is going to be 15 in a couple of months, LOL. When I am in stressful situations the med does not work good, so right know since my daughter got sick and then my son, I have not been that good. and 25 pounds heavier, but no complains here. I hope everything goes good with you and your kids.
 
we'd walk outside for just a few minutes and his teeth would start chattering and he'd be shivering (I'd feel cool but not cold like him)

My son gets cold really easy and always has - even as a small lad he would get the shivers when the rest of us were just a wee bit cold. During the winter time he wears multiple layers. I should say multiple, multiple - because he will wear an under-shirt, t-shirt, long sleeve shirt, turtleneck, and a hoodie sitting around the house! When he goes out my Mum teases him that he looks like an eskimo as he will cover everything.

I've always chalked it up to the fact that he has very little fat on his body - no natural insulation. It affects him in a pool as he can't float (unlike my uncanny ability to stay afloat - :rof: laughs), he always sinks.

He doesn't have the hot/heat issues - but does on occasion get migraines.

Congrats on the good news! 2014!! :dance::dance: Yeah!!!
 
So, Stephen's been on remicade since February and I just got a copy of his blood results from his most recent tests. I have some questions but maybe the numbers are 'normal' when on remicade??? so just wanted to run the questions by you guys...

MDRD eGFR - came in at >60, last time it was >90. When I looked up what this test is, I found that levels >60 indicate Stage 1 and 2 of Chronic Kidney Disease! All his other kidney tests are normal and stable (sodium, potassium, creatinine) just want to be on top of it if it might mean somthing. Could this simply be a common 'expected' side effect of remicade?

Immature Reticulocyte Fraction - this is the first time he's had this done and the copy I received didn't show normal levels. But, it did say Low 3.4. His Absolute Reticulocyte Count was in the normal range (46), RBC and HGB normal. So, again, perhaps this is 'normal' when on Remicade??

Any info on the tests above would be great!
 
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Sorry, Tesscorm that is all way out of my realm. I haven't noticed any of these being L on C's labs. After the GI calls and lets me know the labs look good I have just been having them sent to the GP and his asst go over any out of the normal range. It has only happened once, the GI nurse said labs looked good, then when they arrived at GP I called the asst and asked was anything off, I can't remember what it was but it was nothing concerning.
 
I know you're just trying to get ahead of it Tess but if any of the numbers were truly alarming, the GI would have surely contacted you or Stephen. Wouldn't he?
 
Thanks guys :)

Dexky - yes, really I just want to know if something might be indicating a potential problem. I do believe the GI would call if there was an issue but just want to know if its anything to be watchful of..

One thing that does concern me but I'm not sure yet if I should be concerned???... I asked the infusion nurses how often most GIs test, etc. and their answer was 'it varies', GIs send a 'schedule' for testing, ie every infusion, every 6 months, yearly, etc. When I asked what Stephen's schedule is, she said 'his GI didn't send a schedule, it's whenever the GI asks for it.' Okay, I'm not really okay with that! :( Like, really??... what, does he have a calendar pop-up that says 'test Stephen'? No doubt he has a system in place but the 'randomness' doesn't sit well with me - just leaves too much room for error in my mind.
 
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Yeah I would rather know there is at least a set schedule and he could add more if needed as opposed to whenever he decides then at least you would know it is every 3 months or whatever at the very least and more if his "stephen calendar" pops up.
 
But, I imagine he is extremely busy with serious issues, complications, etc. so how high priority wud some minor indications from a stable patient with few complaints of symptoms who is, so far, responding to treatment. Not blaming anyone for anything nor saying anything important would slip by, just being realistic. But, while Stephen may not be at the top of his priority list, he is on mine! :lol: So, if I have to 'nudge, nudge... can we retest this?', I just need to know when to 'nudge, nudge'! :)

I think it is pretty standard that more than one of the office team would go over all test results. Don't blame you for nudging though!!
 
I would tell the GI you want bloods done at every infusion. No ifs, buts or maybes. If he starts to argue tell him that firstly, he is a busy man and you don't expect Stephen to be at the forefront of his thoughts. Secondly, the chances of a teenage boy offering up that he would like bloods done is next to zero. Lastly tell him...I am his mother and he is my son and until you are in my position then I am sorry but you can't fully appreciate how I feel. :)

He has a cannula inserted so how simple is that?...Insert cannula, draw blood, hook up infusion. :)

Dusty. xxx
 
Can I hire you? :D

As much as I prepare for the appointments and know what I want to discuss, I still always end up
feeling 'shoulda:nonono:, coulda:emot-cop:, didn't! :facepalm:'

I'm just not good on the fly!
 
DS always had bloods done when they place the iv for remicade
It was one of the perks
We would get the results before we left the infusion center .
 
Wow, MLP, I didn't know you could get results that quickly! Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing... you get the wbc, rbc, hgb, etc. immediately?? Or am I confused and is there another set of blood tests that are specific to remicade??

Also, did you go to an infusion centre? Or have the infusion done at the hospital? I'm wondering if they even have lab facilities at an infusion centre?? (ie I know they can take blood but can they evaluate it?)
 
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Tess,
I agree he should have a set schedule. No doctor can remember every patient and when they need blood tests by heart. Make sure to tell the doctor you want him on a set schedule. I looked it up and could not find a recommendation from the company on how often blood work should be done.
 
Ugghh, don't you all hate always having to ask, request, beg, etc. And, once your kids are 18, it's a bit trickier because you are NOT the patient (not that his doctor's given any indication that this is a problem... yet! :))

I'm going to take the chicken way out this time...:redface: His annual check-up is in the morning, just before his next infusion. Will talk to GP about these recent results and ask if he can add CRP, etc. to his bloodwork. I need to give his GI the benefit of the doubt - maybe it's when all has been good for two or three infusion that he no longer runs tests at every infusion. However, in my opinion, the fact that Stephen's CRP went from 0.2 to 2.3 would warrant bloodwork at this infusion to see if it was a one time thing or the beginning of an upward trend... I'll see if he does bloodwork at the infusion. If not, then I'll feel even more justified in asking that bloodwork be done on a regular basis.

Just thinking about it... June tests showed no remicade at 8 weeks, moved to 6 weeks. Was supposed to check remicade levels at last infusion (Aug. 30, 2nd one at 6 weeks) but mix-up with test and results not available but CRP is up. And, he stopped his EN in July (still has one or two Boost a day but nothing compared to the 1500 cal of elemental formula he was getting before)... hmmm?
 
I think I am going to refuse to let C turn 18, is that possible? I would've thought with a CRP increase there would've been lab work this infusion as well.

Sending hugs and I hope the GP adds CRP and you can get the results explained through him.
 
Oh man Tess, not hard to get sidetracked when you are in a consult! You start off talking about one thing and before you know it you don't know how the heck you ended up in Whoop Whoop!

Yes! Utilise the GP Tess, I do it all the time, in the nicest possible way of course! :lol: Ummm, also don't ask to add CRP just say...and I would like CRP and ESR added please. If you don't ask a question it doesn't require a response IYKWIM. :wink:

Are the infusions done at a hospital Tess or where there is a lab attached? If so then baseline bloods...FBC, LFT"s, UEC's and so on...results can certainly be returned in that time frame.

Dusty. xxx
 
ours was done at an infusion center that was in the hospital so ....
labs were done and back in less than an hour.
WE were there typically 3-4 hours.

THat was nice.
 
Clash - his first infusion since the increase in CRP is his coming one on Oct. 11. So I am really hoping/assuming that the GI will run labs (but, if not, I'll have my own set from the GP anyway)

Dusty - :thumright: I like his GP, even though he's relatively new (old GP moved), he's been really good at going through everything and tried to address and understand my worries when adding remicade. AND, he's straight up about what he doesn't know re crohns. I appreciate him saying 'I just don't know' rather than give me some vague, wishy-washy answer that confuses me even more! :ywow:

Re the infusion centre... we're not at a hospital so I'm not sure if the centre has a lab attached. I'll ask next time.

But the timing of ending EN dawned on me earlier... the remicade certainly took his CRP way down, 6.5 to 0.2, but this was while he was still on EN. He ended EN in July and the increased CRP was end Aug. If the remicade isn't lasting the six weeks (as it didn't the eight weeks) AND he was now without the EN as well...??? Just coincidental as I recently reposted a post in the kids 'research' thread which showed a significant improvement in remission rates when EN was used in combination with remicade. (But, one result may not mean anything... could just be a fluke.)

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Sort of off topic but does anyone know why remicade sometimes doesn't last 8 weeks if there are no antibodies? When Stephen was tested at the 8 week mark, he had no remicade but also no antibodies.
 
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Hi Tess! Just catching up and may have missed some but some people just metabolize the drug more quickly I think. And some have it in their system at the 8 week point but still require more to control their disease (my daughter unfortunately). If the drug leaves his system between infusions then I believe there's a risk of developing antibodies (a higher risk, I guess there's always a risk) and you don't want that to happen obviously.
As SK they will not infuse until they take bloods that morning, receive results and have them cleared by the NP/GI. It makes for a longer day but I feel better about it. I think it's odd that they would not do bloods before infusions - they can flag potential problems this way.
 
I'm not sure of the mechanism or why but I've have heard the phrase "the body just burns through the remicade too fast."

C got his labs back today and all was normal, which makes me all the more icky about adding back the MTX to which C responded well I could just not take it...ughh this boy is going to be the death of me. I explained why he can't "just not take it" hope it got through!

C asked about EN the other day, specifically how Stephen did it with the NG tube and could he just do it for an hour or so before bedtime for weight gain. Also, he asked did it make Stephen feel full real fast? C's only experience with an NG tube with for the stuff before the MRE and the nurse was racing the stuff through his pump to get it all in his system in time, could that play a role in him feeling too full fast?

I think that is a very interesting study, I'm going to bring it to our GIs attention. Would Stephen be agreeable to adding EN back in at night? I know it might be a little harder at college but my older daughter does have a friend(in college) who does EN every other night for weight due to CD.
 
SOme kids/adults metabolize the drug faster than others.
so they need it more often.

that being said DS burned through his quickly
GI now feels he was reacting on some level the entire time and it just built up to his large reaction which was why he kept burning through it.
 
It would seem from the study that combining EEN with the Remicade is a worthwhile regime. Are you going to do this Tess? Particularly in view of it being so non offensive as far as treatments go. Would Stephen agree?

Doesn't really answer your question Tess but if you haven't seen it before you may pull some useful info from it to store for future reference:

Approaches to primary nonresponse to anti-TNF therapy

Despite the shift in treatment paradigms ushered in by the arrival of anti-TNF therapy for CD, it is important to remember that one-third of patients will not respond to anti-TNF therapy [Sandborn et al. 2007a,b; Hanauer et al. 2006a,b; Targan et al. 1997]. This proportion may decrease as we start to treat patients earlier and with combinations of effective therapy. Patients exposed to anti-TNF therapy and who have failed to respond are referred to as primary nonresponders. In clinical trials, this is defined as failure to achieve a 70- or 100-point reduction in the CDAI score. In clinical practice this may be established by the physician's clinical judgment. Most of the issues surrounding primary nonresponse surround IFX and CD; which is not surprising given that IFX has been available in clinical practice for longer than the other anti-TNF agents.

Patients with primary nonresponse to anti-TNF therapy should be evaluated to determine why they failed to respond. The most important practice point is to exclude the possibility of an underlying irreversible structural lesion, such as a fibrostenotic stricture, or a possible co-infection (e.g. with Clostridium difficile or cytomegalovirus) or absence of ‘true’ inflammation with symptoms driven by irritable bowel syndrome-like symptoms. If these CD complications or concomitant conditions have been ruled out, then it is generally accepted that primary nonresponse would result from a different underlying CD pathobiology in which TNF is not an important component of the inflammatory cascade. Therefore, choosing an agent with a different mechanism of action would be scientifically rational in this setting. There are data supporting the use of NTZ in this patient population. In subgroup analyses of pivotal trials, there were no statistical differences in the efficacy of NTZ for the induction or maintenance of response/remission in patients who were primary nonresponders to IFX as compared with the intent-to-treat population [Panaccione et al. 2004]. NTZ has been approved by the FDA as monotherapy for the treatment of patients with moderate-to-severe CD with biologic evidence of disease activity and who have failed to respond to conventional therapy and at least one anti-TNF agent. In the ENCORE (Efficacy of Natalizumab in Crohn’s Disease Response and remission) trial, which evaluated the efficacy of NTZ induction therapy in patients with CD, subgroup analysis demonstrated that the overall efficacy of NTZ was similar for patients who had been exposed to, or failed to respond to, previous anti-TNF therapy and patients who were anti-TNF-naive [Targan et al. 2007]. In patients who have never been exposed to MTX or the purine anti-metabolites, introducing these agents or optimizing their use may be considered. This likely represents a small minority of patients and there is no data to support this practice, but it may be rational.

Despite the rationale for switching mechanisms of action, many clinicians will attempt a second or even a third anti-TNF agent in primary nonresponders, or even a dose escalation (e.g. 10mg/kg of IFX). In the case of IFX, one could check for early antibody formation by testing for IFX levels and anti-IFX antibodies at week 6 prior to a third induction dose or dose escalation. There are very limited data to support this practice or switching to an alternate anti-TNF in primary nonresponders [Lofberg et al. 2008; Mozziconacci et al. 2008]. It has been clearly shown that the overall response and remission rates are lower when attempting to use a second or third anti-TNF in clinical trials and therefore the risk–benefit equation is shifted with decreasing benefits while assuming a similar risk. Clinicians should reconsider this strategy and wait for better evidence to be available. Most of this practice surrounds physicians' and patients' concerns about the issue of toxicity associated with NTZ, particularly with regards to the incidence of progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy (PML) [Yousry et al. 2006]. Although PML is a serious and often life-threatening disease, it is estimated that the risk for PML in patients treated with NTZ is between approximately 1 in 5,000 and 1 in 10,000 patients, from the postmarketing reports and the number of cases treated in multiple sclerosis and CD. If this estimate is accurate, the risk of developing PML and dying is extremely low and does not make NTZ any less safe than the anti-TNF class of agents. Recent evidence in multiple sclerosis suggests that PML may be stabilized after its onset by plasma exchange to deplete NTZ and permit immune reconstitution.

Approaches to secondary nonresponse to anti-TNF therapy

In addition to primary nonresponders, there are secondary nonresponders who may initially respond to an anti-TNF agent and then lose response or become intolerant to their initial TNF inhibitor over time. Secondary nonresponders may represent 30–40% of patients during the first year of therapy [Colombel et al. 2007; Schreiber et al. 2007a,b,c; Hanauer et al. 2002]. Secondary loss of response may be due to disease-related factors or drug-related factors. Disease-related factors include the development of a complication of CD, such as a fibrostenotic stricture or abscess formation. Once again, disease-related factors and co-infection should be ruled out before deeming secondary nonresponse to be a drug-related phenomenon. Drug-related factors include the formation of neutralizing antibodies, which are associated with decreased serum IFX levels, altered clearance of drug, or possibly biologic escape mechanisms. It is important in this patient population to obtain drug and antibody levels if available (currently only available for IFX) and to then re-evaluate disease activity to ensure that symptoms are not arising due to irritable bowel syndrome, bile acid diarrhea, development of fibrostenotic strictures, or postsurgical causes. The majority of data available on the treatment of this patient population is, once again, focused on patients who developed secondary non response to IFX. If patients have developed intolerance to IFX, challenging them with a second anti-TNF agent is appropriate. Most of the experience with this approach is in switching to ADA. Sub-analysis of the CHARM trial demonstrated that patients who were previously exposed to IFX still responded to ADA therapy, but with response rates approximately 10% lower than those of patients who were naive to anti-TNF agents [Colombel et al. 2007]. Similar data exist for CZP from a sub-analysis of the PRECiSE 2/3 trials [Schreiber et al. 2007a,b,c]. The interdependence of this reduced response rate to duration of disease is not entirely clear.

The options for patients who are losing response to IFX are to ‘optimize’ the dosing of the drug by increasing the dose or shortening the dosing interval, or to switch from IFX to an alternative anti-TNF agent [DeSilva et al. 2008]. The measurement of antibodies to IFX and IFX trough levels is useful in guiding treatment strategy. In patients with no detectable anti-IFX antibodies and low serum trough levels of IFX, optimizing the dosing of IFX is recommended. A study conducted at the University of Pittsburgh has shown that many patients with CD receiving long-term IFX required an increase in dose or a decrease in dosing interval to regain lost response to the agent [Regueiro et al. 2007]. Concomitant immunosuppressant therapy did not prevent the need for escalated IFX dosing. In the ACCENT (A Crohn’s disease Clinical trial Evaluating IFX in a New Long-term Treatment regimen) I trial, 88% of patients with active CD who had initially responded to IFX but then lost response during maintenance therapy regained response by increasing the IFX dose to 10mg/kg [Rutgeerts et al. 2004]. The phenomenon of regaining IFX efficacy by dose escalation and shortening the dosing interval is in part explained by data from a study conducted by Maser and colleagues, which demonstrated that the major factor influencing the clinical efficacy of IFX during scheduled maintenance therapy was the serum trough level of this agent [Maser et al. 2006]. This study found that patients with higher trough levels of IFX have better outcomes and that the use of concomitant immunosuppressants did not alter outcomes. One must consider that these data are from an open-label study and therefore are inherently biased. In this series, it appears that shortening the interval may be more cost-effective than doubling the dose. In cases where there is a loss of response to ADA dosed at 40mg every other week, shortening the dosing interval to 40mg weekly has been shown to re-establish response in approximately 75% of patients [Sandborn et al. 2008a,b]. The optimal strategy for managing patients who lose response to CZP is unclear. Data from a small group of patients who lost response to CZP during PRECiSE 2 suggest that a single re-induction dose with CZP 400mg may re-establish response [Lichtenstein et al. 2008], but whether this strategy can be translated into clinical practice remains debatable.

The only randomized controlled trial specifically designed to address the issue of secondary nonresponse to IFX is the GAIN (Gauging Adalimumab efficacy in Infliximab Nonresponders) trial [Sanborn et al. 2007a,b,c]. In GAIN, 325 patients with moderate-to-severe CD who had previously been exposed to IFX and lost response and/or become IFX intolerant were randomized to receive either ADA 160mg and 80mg subcutaneously at weeks 0 and 2, respectively, or placebo. In the group receiving ADA, 21% of patients entered remission (CDAI<150), 52% had a CDAI decrease of 70 points or more, and 38% had a CDAI decrease of 100 points or more at week 4, compared with 7%, 34%, and 25% of patients in the placebo group, respectively (p<0.05). There was no difference in overall efficacy if the patients lost response to, or were intolerant to, IFX upon study entry. Although the 4-week remission rates reported in GAIN may appear low at first glance, recently presented data from an open-label extension of this trial demonstrated that, over time, remission and response rates increased during the maintenance phase with ADA therapy [Panaccione et al. 2008c]. At 6 and 12 months, 57% and 40%, respectively, of the week 4 responders to ADA were in clinical remission. Thus, 4 weeks may be too short a time point to assess induction of response in CD patients with prior exposure to IFX. Results from a similar open-label study of CZP in IFX nonresponders were also presented recently [Vermeire et al. 2008]. In WELCOME (26-Week open-label trial Evaluating the clinical benefit and tolerability of certoLizumab pegol induCtiOn and Maintenance in patients suffering from Crohn’s disease with prior loss of response or intolErance to IFX), secondary nonresponders to IFX were treated with CZP 400mg subcutaneously at weeks 0, 2, and 4. At week 6, 62.2% of patients achieved response (CDAI score reduction of 100 points or more) and 39.3% achieved remission. The long-term outcome of these patients has not yet been reported.

Primary and secondary nonresponse to anti-TNF therapy is a reality of treatment with this drug class. In patients with primary nonresponse, serious consideration should be given to switching to another class of biologic agent. The only option for switching to another class (i.e. a biologic agent with a different mechanism of action) at this time is NTZ. However, this decision should be made in concert with the patient, and many patients may choose to try a second anti-TNF agent. For patients who become intolerant to one anti-TNF agent, switching to another anti-TNF agent makes sense and is supported by clinical data. For patients who lose response to IFX, measurement of anti-IFX antibodies and IFX trough levels can be used to optimize the treatment strategy. In the presence of antibodies to IFX, the most robust (placebo-controlled) data at this time suggest a switch to ADA therapy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002580/#!po=28.3333

Dusty. xxx
 
Killcolitis - I was concerned about antibodies too, GI mentioned that as well since he'd had no remicade in his system at the 8 week point. Remicade/antibody levels should have been checked at last infusion but will now be tested at his next infusion. I've already taken that day off as a vacation day - want to go speak with GP in the morning and then go to infusion (just in case he has any reaction due to antibodies...). (Hope your daughter has been feeling better lately!)

Clash , Dusty - Stephen would not want to do the ng tube overnight now. I know he would if it was 'necessary' but I think it would be a tough sell as a preventative measure. He did assure me that he's now been drinking two Boosts per day so that helps. In the study I mentioned above, the EN group were taking in 1200 cal per day, the non-EN group did include those on EN but were taking in less than 900 calories. So, I could 'maybe' get Stephen close to the 1200 calorie level (3 Boost Plus I think would do it). But, I'm not sure if Boost would have the same benefit as a semi-elemental formula (don't believe the study mentioned the type of formula??). (Getting a semi-elemental formula will be a whole new issue 'again' as our insurance doesn't cover it and it's so expensive)

Also, Dusty, I do believe Stephen responded to remicade as his CRP did drop significantly and quickly and his MRE showed significant improvement. But, if we believe that EN played a part, then most of this improvement happened while on EN with remicade.

But, again, one elevated blood result isn't conclusive... (Don't suppose anyone's heard of an 'at-home inflammatory marker test'? :lol:)

And, Clash ... re feeling full. I know Stephen felt full when he woke up in the morning. Never uncomfortably full, just enough that he wasn't hungry until around lunch. And Stephen was given the 'concentrated' version (pkg said 225 ml water with one sachet, but hospital told us only 150 ml water with one sachet). He would ingest 1000 ml per night (over 5 or 6 hours). Stephen never complained that he felt full too fast but, then again, most of the time he was sleeping. I think speed definitely makes a difference though... Stephen tried to bump up the rate to 300 ml/hr and found it was too fast (I assume he could feel it filled him up quicker than he could digest it so maybe then he felt too full??). Also, I again think different formulas will fill you up differently...
 
You can get your GP to rx a calprotectin test. They're doing them now, OHIP won't cover it, but SK has started to use them (in our case because we went ahead and got them through the ped and then told our GI later that we were doing them). You have to pay out of pocket, I believe it's about $150ish per test. Through Life Labs.
 
Thanks!!! I will ask the GP. (By the way, I had asked for the calprotectin or FC test while Stephen was at SK... and, yes, they had told me they weren't able to do it as it hadn't been approved yet...)
 
Good update from S's apptmt today. :D

Lab results all good - dumb :ybatty:, forgot to ask for my copy while there! So have no numbers with me.

So, some of my recent concerns...

Who does what? GI said if I have any question as to whom to ask, he would rather I run questions through his office - he will say if it's a GP issue...

TB test - doesn't believe annual testing is necessary (unless travelling to areas of higher risk) (Tagging Pasobuff - I think I'd said I would let you know what the GI said regarding annual TB testing.)

Hip and back pain - wait and watch... (my specialty!! :lol:)

Night sweats - said S's throat is still a bit red (recent strep infection). Another 'wait and watch' a bit more to see if any symptoms return.

FC, ESR - does not believe either is necessary at this point. Relies more on CRP than ESR. FC is still not 'covered' here as a standard test so cost would be mine. Said he's always happy to have more info rather than less and is willing to give me a requisition if I want one but very much feels that S does not need it now. And, still feels it's not as reliable for small bowel so we may not be much more ahead with FC numbers. Would rather do scopes/MRE if there's any question of disease activity as indicated by lab results and clinical symptoms. So, for now, will sit tight with FC and see how I feel about requesting it...???

Will be scheduling a scope in the next few months - he was able to go into TI by approx. 20 cm last time and, as this was where most of S's inflammation was located, will see what he can see. Then, will decide if MRE should be done immediately (or if we wait a bit longer).

Re antibody testing - would like to run it annually if he could but, given the cost, he willl run it in another year (unless symptoms necessitate the test to be run).

All in all, I was happy with the apptmt. :D
 
Wow all that sounds great! I hope the good labs keep on keeping on! Also hope the scope come back good when they are done!
 
Glad appointment went well. Personal opinion based on our experience is FC does show inflammation in small bowel disease but I think the numbers are not as high for example in the 400-600 as opposed to in the 1000's.
 
I agree Jacqui and I still think it's worth doing (at some point). But, he was so confident that S is good now that I feel like I can relax a bit about it. HOWEVER, just knowing that I can request it when I'd like is reassuring - this is further than I've ever gotten re this test (both at this GI and his last). For whatever reason, it's just not a standard test here yet. But, I feel better knowing that if I have concerns, I can request the FC at any time. (He believes the cost here is approx. $200.)

But, no matter how many 'notes' I make, I still always end up forgetting something or other while we're there! :angry-banghead: I forgot to ask about his cough... and, again, about his sensitivity to temperature. But, as both have been going on for quite a while and haven't led to anything more, I'm not hugely concerned; will just have to start my new list of questions for next time. :)
 
So glad to hear things are positive. I understand waiting on the antibody test. Though price has come down, its still $295 and I was told not covered by insurance. I'm going to try to submit this one we just did as I didn't submit the Remicade one last year.

Strep! Crud.... thanks for the info it is helpful.
 
So fab to hear all is going well Tess! :dusty::dusty::dusty:

Now of course I never forget to ask anything…said no one ever! :lol:

Onwards and Upwards Tess and S! :poop:

Dusty. xxx
 
Just a little update... my baby is now 20! :eek: All grown up... :(

Miss my little boy but so proud to see he's grown up into a wonderful young man! :D
 
:birthday2: Happy Birthday S!
Don't worry, I can tell that my 20 year old daughter is still 12 on the inside ;)
 
Thanks SM! :lol: Once I get the creaks out, I try to shuffle along as well I can! :rof: But, gets harder each birthday! :D

Maya - yep, sometimes I think the same thing... (But, sometimes it's still nice. :))
 
Thanks everyone for the well wishes! Sorry, I disappeared for a bit... have been absolutely crazy at work and busy in the evenings! :eek:

Also stayed away a bit because I was worried my sunny bubble would burst and I wanted to get my facts straight first. :eek: Couple weeks ago, S mentioned that every morning (but only in morning) he was coughing up brown phlegm, AND that it's been happening for MONTHS! (So much for him telling me anything important... guess he didn't take 'timing' into account!) So, needless to say, the worry metre started to twitch.

But, there were a few moving parts, so managed to cap the worry. Wasn't sure if it was being caused by acid reflux (runs in husband's family) although S has no heartburn, or if it was related to wisdom teeth extraction (S was also complaining of sinus issues and dental surgeon had told us one tooth might have sinus cavity complications) or, of course, remicade concerns.

Anyway, GI suggested we start with GP and get chest x-ray and keep him updated... GP believes it is sinus related and not reflux or anything with his lungs (so no x-ray for now). We're trying a nasal spray for couple of weeks to see if it clears up and then will follow up more if phlegm doesn't disappear.

I'm still wondering if it's related to reflux though... when we saw GI in May, he noted S's throat was a bit red but thought it might still be related to the strep throat S had had a month prior and, his GP now, also noted redness and swabbed to test. Anyway, I guess we'll know better in a couple of weeks.

While certainly not panicking, I'll be happier when it's just gone! :)
 
Just sending hugs a since I tend to pop bubbles ....

I tend to agree with your GI
Given S is on remicade and has a possible bloody phlegm -
At least an xray...

Did your go state why he wants to hold off -
Since a lot of people with sinus issues do not cough up old blood .
Did they check his phlegm for blood?
If its sinus issues did they at least refer to ENT since that does not seem minor...
Again not a doc just a mom but
Remicade changes things IMO mommy opinion .

Go back to your bubble now ...
Sorry I couldn't help it :(
 
Acid reflux can definitely cause brown phlegm in the morning. Has your GI mentioned a PPI? Johnny's crohn's was treated with Prednisone in the beginning but also with a PPI to heal the acid reflux damage. It took about 6 months and he was able to get off of it. I am not sure if Remicade would heal reflux issues, even if it fixes the underlying cause. I know my son's GI didn't feel the Prednisone would do it. Worth checking if the nose spray doesn't seem to fix it.

I think you can safely stay in the bubble for this one!
 
MLP - :hug: have thought of it all! :) Given S's descriptions of his sinus issues, which S believes started after his wisdom teeth extraction (February), GP thought it all sounded connected - 'new' snoring, 'loud' breathing if he forces a strong ex/inhalation (hard to describe but almost a hollow sound, like breathing through a tube??), S feels he needs to clear his throat but doesn't have a cough, etc. (If it is due to teeth, I'd also posted a while back about wondering if S had a new underbite since extraction but, due to dentist's and S's work schedules, S hasn't followed up yet.) Perhaps the GP also took into account that S plays on two hockey teams, sometimes two games in one evening, with no breathing/endurance issues?? So he seemed fairly confident that it is probably related to his sinuses. He said he wanted to try the spray for two weeks and, if phlegm doesn't disappear, then continue follow-up/testing.

I'm okay trying the nasal spray for two weeks as these sinus issues are bothering S and we need to resolve that anyway... and am also taking into account that S says this has been happening for months with no change (still a bit frustrated/worried that he waited this long to mention it!!) so two weeks won't really make much more of a difference at this point.

Could be my sunny bubble but I'm thinking if it was related to his lungs, there would have been some change over 'months'... some worsening or change in the symptoms???

I'm still thinking reflux could be involved... seems like there are too many 'things' that tie in - family history of significant problems with reflux, phlegm is only in the morning, slightly red throat, and S has a bad habit of often eating a large meal right before bed, ie finishes hockey at 10:30/11:00 and goes out for wings, pizza, etc. or, even when at home, will decide to eat any/all leftovers at 11pm (adding hot sauce on top!) and head to bed!! Which, according to hubby, from his reflux experience, says eating that late and then laying flat would be brutal for him. Only thing is..., S has no heartburn. :confused: S was on nexium for about two years, when he was on overnight EN, because then he did have heartburn on the nights he used the tube??? But, once he ended with the NG tube, he also ended with the nexium.

So... as it's only two weeks, I'm okay watching but... will definitely be on top of it as soon as the two weeks are up.
 
I don't know if this will make you worry more or ease your mind. D's crohn's is also in her esophagus. When she used to spit up (current meds seem to be managing this for the most part) it was a creamy color (or the color of what she just ate) + blood. It was almost never brownish.

Me on the other hand, who has gallbladder issues & acid reflux problems (mostly because I am stubborn & don't want to get my gallbladder out) sometimes I get a light brown mucus color in my spit up. If I don't eat 2 hrs before bed I am ok, and I never lay down & eat (like teenagers LOVE TO DO)

Hope the answers come soon & are easy to manage.
 
Thanks SM. So far, S is saying his sinuses feel much better but the phlegm is still there. Like I said, I do think reflux is part of it. Going to wait until after the weekend to tell him to not eat late and see what happens. Didn't want to do it this week so there'd be no confusion as to whether it was the nasal spray or change of eating time that affected the phlegm. But, I'm really thinking (hoping) it disappears once he stops eating right before bed...???

Then we'll battle over why we need to follow up!! :emot-nyd: S will be saying 'it's done, we don't need to follow up'! I know he's not going to want to take time off work again.

His scopes have never shown any inflammation in his esophagus, although he had some inflammation in his duodenum when he was diagnosed (but this cleared up by the second scope). He has another scope scheduled but not until March.
 
Just an update... phlegm seems to be gone. :D Never even had the chance to have him change his eating habits, so must have been related to his sinuses. Going to keep him on the sinus spray for the whole two weeks and then we'll see what happens. :)

Sunburn - getting better but shoulders/upper back still really red and raw. :( Still hasn't been able to go to work - tried this morning but, shirt seams were enough to make him so uncomfortable that he drove downtown with me for an hour and jumped on public transit to go back home. So far there are only two very small blisters. I put polysporin on a couple of times yesterday... hopefully, it'll help it heal without blistering.

He has remicade on Saturday - if he has no blistering, etc., no reason this would be a problem for his infusion, right?
 
The did Jack's infusion in spite of the infection, said he is already in immune compromised state and didn't want to have to deal with gut issues as well as infection. GI called in several peers and called remicade makers as well just to verify his thinking. We haven't had any issues by doing the infusion.
 
Tess,
It doesn't sound like it would be a problem. But call to make sure. Keeping my fingers crossed that he heals up fast. Glad to hear the sinus thing is better. Sinuses can be so problematic sometimes.
 
I bet they'll be able to do the infusion. We've only ever moved one because of high fever. If he just has two small blisters, I doubt it'll be a problem (painful and uncomfortable of course for poor S)!

So very glad his sinuses cleared up!
 

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