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I just wanted to know how long does the bowel have to be inflamed before damage starts happening...i asked the nurse and she told me not to worry it takes months. Well from my daughters blood test i don't think shes ever been in remission. So her bowel has been inflamed for at least 8 months if not longer ...my biggest fear is surgery.....:(
 
We know DS was inflamed for close to a year between his two scope but no need for surgery. He is on remicade now and we assume the inflammation is gone.
Does her imaging show any damage?
Nothing shows for my son on his mre so we assume no structural damage yet.
Hugs
 
I'm not sure there's any chart that can tell you "if you are inflamed for X period, Y will happen". Obviously keeping inflammation under control is pretty important, but honestly in the 30 years I've had Crohn's Disease I've only ever had one very long remission. Most of the time my disease is on again, off again as I tweak my diet and meds to keep things quiet. I have low-to-moderate inflammation going probably 60% of the time if not more, and to date, no strictures, no surgeries. I do have one fistula but that was from a prolonged and totally untreated flare in my early twenties.

I wouldn't sit biting your nails about each passing minute with inflammation, is what I'm saying. Definitely address it, but mental images of disintegrating colons are not realistic. ;)
 
Upset Mom,
This disease is so frustrating. But hearing Muppet's story is very encouraging. I dont think our daughter had ever been completely in remission either. Some areas are a little more persistant. She continued to bleed, with no real damage, until we started using a topical cream called Cortifoam last week. It works for her and was the missing treatment. All the cramping and bleeding were stopped immediately. She just had her 6th treatment of Remicade, continues her Asacol, vitamins and Calcium. Her MRE last week showed no inflammation even though she had continued to bleed. Each person has their own set up symptoms.
I hope he gets feeling better soon. Sending hugs your way.
 
Hey upsetmom,
V had untreated disease for four years before stricturing type damage occurred.
Of course that means nothing.

Much understanding and love; you can surely make yourself nuts obsessing on this very thing. :kiss:
 
Are there different "types" of crohn's? Some which cause strictures and fistulas or is it just how severe someone's disease is or length of inflammation?

My son's dr.'s don't address the ramifications of long term inflammation either but it is a huge worry of mine too. His labs aren't perfect either, but the Dr.'s seem satisfied. Upset mom are your daughter's Dr.'s happy with her labs or are they still trying to find the right medication/med combo?
 
It's so difficult to know...Muppet, thanks for sharing, as the explanation of UNTREATED CROHNS IS WORSE THAN SIDE EFFECTS shouted by many, docs in particular, while a real risk, is made to sound crazily scary to coax us onto these drugs.
Julie, so glad to hear that cortifoam is working for your dd...and may the remission last forever! :)
We were inflamed from 12/2010 until April...and she still has mild chronic inflammation despite few clinical symptoms.
 
Jumping on the "each person is unique" bandwagon here. Although maybe one of those super expert ped IBD gi's might have a fairly good guess. But I am not one of those so I can't make a prediction.

I think we all agree that inflammation is bad and the results are unpredictable.

The spectrum of unpredictable results ranges from mild heartburn and maybe some cramps now and then or maybe even no symptoms at all to life threatening perforations, obstructions, fistulas and abscesses. Hopefully the really bad end of that spectrum will give you considerable warning so you can intervene but I have known two kids who developed significant perforations just "out of the blue" with few symptoms prior to the perforation. And none of the symptoms were severe until they started vomiting blood.

I have been on Parent support boards for 7 years. It's important to remember that the families and kids who participate on these boards are NOT representative of the general population of kids with Crohn's.

The kids with Crohn's who are doing great, who have mild disease that responded to 5ASA meds and diet changes, or who are doing great on other meds and their families are happy with their medical care - those kids we don't see. They exist but we don't see them because they don't need the support of this kind of board as a general rule.

Instead the kids/families on this board and others like it are usually the sickest ones, the ones who have gotten bad care for some reason, been misdiagnosed or have a complex case with mulitple diagnoses like Crohns and Celiacs. Often the families are frustrated with the medical team they are working with or have worked with. Many are seeking alternatives to existing treatment or at least information they feel they can trust because it comes from other parents.

So it's helpful to avoid making too many comparisons between your own child's situation and that of other kids on the board. Keep in mind that throwing every test in the book at a kid with Crohn's is not necessarily appropriate or even good for the kid or the family - even though it may often be necessary and appropriate for many of the children on this board and may be for your child.

If your biggest fear is surgery then you may find it helpful to learn more about surgical treatment options and the pros/cons.

If the surgery you are talking about is removal of the colon, I can tell you point blank that most people can live their life just fine without a colon. Really.

It's a little harder for people with Crohn's to do so but many do. You could go over to the adult boards and ask about it and find lots of folks who have had colectomies. But again keep in mind what is true here about the sickest being on the board is true there too.

If you are talking about small intestine surgery, well that is best avoided if at all possible. But it may not be possible. In that case the less removed the better because that is where digestion happens. The colon handles water removal while the small intestines do the heavy lifting.

Even so, unless you are talking such severe loss of bowel that you would be left TPN dependent or facing gut death - both very, very extreme and unlikely conditions - small intestine surgery is unpleasant, can leave you with disgestive issues you didn't have before but is still a better option than death from obstruction, perforation, etc. At least I think so.

Hugs. Things will get better. I promise.
 
Thanks everyone

MLP: She has an MRE done in september but still waiting for the DR to have a look at the results.

Muppet:Thank you so much your story gives me a lot of hope

Julie: I'm so glad to hear your daughters in remission..i hope it lasts a long time.

imabovetail: I've been following V story..you are an amazing mum.

Johnnysmom: Shes only on pentasa and the DR doesn't seem too concerned with the labs.

izz's mom: Thanks i've also been following izzi's story..you truly are amazing.

Paticia: Thanks what can i say..i think i've been reading too much... Reading the adult stories..seems like every second person is having sugery ...

I realize everyone's different so i'll try not to worry.
 
Yep. That's it.

Dr. Wentzel diagnosis Readitis. Likely associated disorders are Internetitis and PI Sheetitis.

Rx - When you can, take a break from reading stuff that makes you worry for now. Don't go out of your way to find it unless you really, really need it.

Hugs.
 
Hey upsetmom...:hug:

Sorry I am late to this hun. I really can't add to the fab advice you have been given except to say that I agree with what has been said and reinforce that this really is such an individual disease. As Patricia has pointed out, forums such as these are naturally frequented by people in search of answers, such as yourself :hug:. As such it is not hard to find your view of Crohn's distorted and find yourself wondering where all those people that look so happy in the brochures at the GI's office are and where the heck they pulled that...you can lead a normal life with IBD...saying from! :lol:

The type of Crohn's you have and the severity of the disease really is the thing that makes a difference. You likely know the story of my two and Sarah's sounds like a veritable horror story! Yes, I thought catching Matt as early as one could possibly be caught would result in a different outcome for him but it didn't. This is what it comes down to...my children had severe fistulising disease, it hard and it hit fast. Their initial introduction to this disease was awful, soul searching and life changing BUT and it is a big one...once the disease was sorted they found remission and they have stayed there.

I don't expect people to remember why I found my way to this forum, that I have two children with the disease, that they have both had surgery and they both had a rough journey but there is more than one reason I have stayed active on this forum. One is that I can hopefully help people with their own journey and just as importantly I hope it I can offer hope to others by telling them and showing them that even in the darkest of days there remains love, light, laughter and life as my children are testament to that...Sarah has been in remission since July 2006 and Matt since April 2011. Maybe they are brochure people after all! :lol:

Dusty. :heart:
 
From what i understand from the ccfa conference

The thing to remember about type is just like your outside of your child changes with time so does the type of crohn's.
Unlike adults most kids start with inflammatory .
Most progress on to fistulizing and stricturing but not all.
Adults type is pretty much set as to the type.
 
Hi upset mom,
I totally get where your coming from looking online and trying to find positive thread talking of ones personal experience being in remission. They exist and are few and far between, I just think most people (except us parents) that are in remission aren't online searching for answers bc they found them. You'll get there. I search all the time for parents of jpouchers and I have found I am a very small percentage of the population so goggling too much can certainly drive one mad. I have been crazy for a week now. The good part is you have all of these wonderful people on here as I do in this forum. When the poop hits the fan even though each case is so different in regards to the disease they all help find answers and support so much it really is just what we need in moments when we just can't goggle and find an answer.

Take care,
 
Just sending hugs! I know what it feels like to over read and worry about IBD! You've gotten some wonderful advice, so I will just send tons of support your way!
 

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