c-sections and lack of mother's milk

[cheka]

c-sections and formula (instead of mom's milk) set children/people up for gut dysbiosis and the diseases that accompany it.

natural birth bathes the baby in beneficial bacteria, which populate the baby gut. same same for mother's milk. a child that misses out on some/all needs to take steps to rectify the situation.

two bacteria that should be strongly considered for a compromised child -- Bifidobacterium infantis and Bifidobacterium longum. these two are given to the baby from the mother in natural births and mom milk. if the child missed out, consider fixing that. it could make a world of difference.

 

[cheka]

i get bifid longum in my daily cup of kefir. longum is one of a dozen beneficial bacteria in the mass produced kefir that's in our local grocery store. kefir is an ancient elixir -- been around a long time, a fermented milk product with little/no lactose. kefir has a lot of science behind it - and new studies come out every year. it's a big part of our program. one cup per day, mix in two tablespoons of ground flaxseed and a couple of grams of inulin (super bug food!) to take it to the next level

strongly prefer food-based probiotics. just dont trust the processing/capsules to keep the precious bugs alive. the exception are the spore bacteria -- those things are bullet proof and can be confidently used as capsules. bacillus coagulans is one super shining example of the spore bugs

 

[Pilgrim]

7 kids, 6 out of 7 were natural births (1 emergency c-section) all children breastfed.

2 have Crohn's Disease. No family history otherwise.

 

[cheka]

good job pilgrim! genetics are a cope/excuse. epigenetics shows that people are prone to certain maladies, but it's not absolute. it also takes other factors - all within our control. i see it like this -- genetics loads the gun, lifestyle pulls the trigger

 

[my little penguin]

Same here
1 with 1 without
Do not blame parents
No antibiotics either for 4 to 5 years
Your theory hasn’t been proven in kids
Early onset IBD is not the same as adult crohns
Different disease than adults
Different behavior
Different meds needed


those of us who have been here for years have heard all the different theories from the adult side on the cause of adult crohns
Does not apply here

 

[cheka]

massive study of 2 million kids shows c-section issues

https://www.sciencenordic.com/birth...nks-c-sections-with-chronic-disorders/1411238
Children born by C-section have been more frequently hospitalised than those born vaginally due to asthma, juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disorder, immune system defects, leukaemia, and other tissue disorders during their lives.

 

[cheka]

Same here
1 with 1 without
Do not blame parents
No antibiotics either for 4 to 5 years
Your theory hasn’t been proven in kids
Early onset IBD is not the same as adult crohns
Different disease than adults
Different behavior
Different meds needed


those of us who have been here for years have heard all the different theories from the adult side on the cause of adult crohns
Does not apply here

interesting. this shows the superpowers that childrens' systems have - that they are okay until reaching older ages, even with bad microbiomes

 

[cheka]

hot off the press, 2023. pasted abstract only -- link to full paper here - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19490976.2023.2247019

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37614093/
The microbiome landscape in pediatric Crohn's disease and therapeutic implications

Abstract

Dysbiosis of the gut microbiome and a pathological immune response in intestinal tissues form the basis of Crohn's disease (CD), which is a debilitating disease with relevant morbidity and mortality. It is increasing in childhood and adolescents, due to western life-style and nutrition and a large set of predisposing genetic factors. Crohn's disease-associated genetic mutations play an essential role in killing pathogens, altering mucosal barrier function, and protecting the host microbiome, suggesting an important pathogenic link.

The intestinal microbiome is highly variable and can be influenced by environmental factors. Changes in microbial composition and a reduction in species diversity have been shown to be central features of disease progression and are therefore the target of therapeutic approaches. In this review, we summarize the current literature on the role of the gut microbiome in childhood, adolescent, and adult CD, current therapeutic options, and their impact on the microbiome.

 

[my little penguin]

Pediatric crohns is considered age 10 and up
Less than 2% of the crohns population is dx under age 10
Very early onset crohns is the little little kids
Different beast
Even infants
As I said pediatric crohns is not the same as very early onset crohns
And both are not the same as adult crohns
My adult child was dx at age 7 but was sick from birth so microbiome was not a factor
Very early onset has its own set of research

 

[Pilgrim]

One early onset (age 9) one very early onset (age 3) both kids showed signs much earlier than diagnosis age.