Cannacoconut oil...?

[acc929]

Hey guys!
So I know that this might be a "letmegooglethatforyou" moment, but I've come into some mary jane and I suppose I trust you lot more than all the other weirdos on the internet due to our common enemy. My MD parents are fairly chill with my using cannabis for crohn's symptoms if it's a toss up between that and opiates, and seeing as I'm back at their place with a percutaneous drain in and surgery approaching, I think that I might even get free access to the kitchen this time for some *experimentation.* Am I a lucky gal or what? :tongue:

I'm on a full-liquid diet until my surgery in "4-6 weeks" (appointment tomorrow - yikes!). This complicates the consumption part, at least from my point of view. I've always smoked it and never gone about making my own edibles, but this drain still feels a bit annoying and I'd like to see how edibles are different in terms of symptom relief. I've been trying to get lots of coconut and olive oil into me in order to get good omega 3s, calories, lauric acid, etc. to help me heal up and get into the OR, stat. For this reason I'd like to try to combine my 'supplements.' Has anyone made cannacoconut oil or something along those lines with decent success, or should I really be going with butter here? Any advice or ideas on how to incorporate some THC and those C-- things into my pre-surgery diet would be super helpful, and if anyone has a holy grail recipe, for the love of god please don't hold out on me! I also have no idea what I am doing and am loathe to eff up perfectly good weed.

(What do you think would happen if I boiled some ganja with chocolate Boost? Do you think that I could get Nestle on board? Perhaps more importantly, do you think it would actually make me want another damn Boost? I might be onto something here...)

 

[FrancisK7]

You can follow this cannabutter recipe but replace the butter with oil:
http://www.crohnsforum.com/showthread.php?t=47521

 

[FrancisK7]

If you cant use the oil to cook with it, you can use it as a tincture until your surgery happens.

 

[acc929]

Thanks! That should be great. One more question: would an actual tincture perhaps be more beneficial or anything? I don't know if you've experimented with them at all, I just looked into what a 'tincture' actually was when I saw your last message. It sounds as if they give you faster relief than edibles, though I wonder if I just consumed an oil-based tincture if it would work the same way as an alcohol one, though I guess I should watch out as I'm on flagyl. Not so knowledgeable (yet) about how we absorb these substances and how best to use them. Thanks again for your help so far

 

[FrancisK7]

Thanks! That should be great. One more question: would an actual tincture perhaps be more beneficial or anything? I don't know if you've experimented with them at all, I just looked into what a 'tincture' actually was when I saw your last message. It sounds as if they give you faster relief than edibles, though I wonder if I just consumed an oil-based tincture if it would work the same way as an alcohol one, though I guess I should watch out as I'm on flagyl. Not so knowledgeable (yet) about how we absorb these substances and how best to use them. Thanks again for your help so far

If you're going to make a real alcohol based tincture, I would suggest you use a fine-mist delivery system (a sprayer).

If you make cannaoil and use it as an oil based tincture, it will certainly be effective, and will act faster than edibles since it'll be metabolized faster. If you go down that route, you might as well use a high quality olive oil for a boost in omega 3.

 

[Pentasa]

Bake MM in oven at 200F to decarboxylate it. Duration is based on moisture content and amount. I've cooked 1/4 oz for an hour and did well.

Next I add the MM into my coconut oil (I don't have a precise ratio I just do tbsp:gram or 1/2 tbsp:gram). Set up a double boiler and let it cook for 3 or so hrs. Keep adding hot water to it.

 

[FrancisK7]

There is no need to decarboxylate if she uses the slow cockprot method. The point of decarboxylating cannabis is to increase the bioavailability of the cannabinoids - ie. how effective our body is at catching the cannabinoids as they fly by.

The crockpot method is pretty safe and usually guarantees a potent product in the end )

If you decarbo in the oven I'd put foil over the ceramic pot you're using and I'd cook at 180F. 200F is awfully close to the flashpoint of THC, and you don't want vape cannabinoids in the oven while you decarbo, else you might as well vaporize.

 

[Pentasa]

There is no need to decarboxylate if she uses the slow cockprot method. The point of decarboxylating cannabis is to increase the bioavailability of the cannabinoids - ie. how effective our body is at catching the cannabinoids as they fly by.

The crockpot method is pretty safe and usually guarantees a potent product in the end )

If you decarbo in the oven I'd put foil over the ceramic pot you're using and I'd cook at 180F. 200F is awfully close to the flashpoint of THC, and you don't want vape cannabinoids in the oven while you decarbo, else you might as well vaporize.

Decarb is necessary should there be any moisture, it just strips the -OH from the THC so it becomes psychoactive. THC and CBDs don't vaporize until over 350F. The terpenoids come off at around 212F which causes the smell.

 

[acc929]

batch has been made, slow cooked in coconut oil on low heat for like 5-6 hours until the house reeked so bad my dad told me to take it off the heat. have not tested it yet as pre-op they put me on a bunch of pain-management drugs and post-op I had a bunch of complications, so a heavy dose of valium was been added for muscle spasms which took away much desire to engage in cannabis consumption. getting off the valium and did smoke a bowl today, but grandma is here and we were home alone together and since I'm not sure of the tincture's potency, I didn't think it a good time to try. Little brother's all out though so I told him he could have some of this and to go easy on dosage. I'll see how it works on the guinea pig. I've heard conflicting things about decarboxylating. Maybe if you wanna get fancy it's the way to go, but to be honest, none of the edibles I've ever consumed have been made with decarbed marijuana and they worked just fine, maybe a bit too well. Thanks to both

 

[JohnnyRottenAppleseed]

The benefit of coconut oil is it solidifies at room temp and can be put in capsules.

 

[Pentasa]

Decarbing is not being fancy. It strips the THC of a hydroxide molecule and makes it psychoactive. If the hydroxide (-OH) stays on then it won't bind to THC receptors. I'm guessing the MM used in other edibles was just older and dry.

 

[FrancisK7]

Cannaibinoids in their acid form still affect us. Ie. even if there is no high cannabinoids can still deliver their intended function, which is the idea behind the raw cannabis movement. People juice their plants while they are still in veg and still see the benefits.

There is no need to pre-decarb if you use the crackpot method, as 8+ hours of heat will be sufficient.

 

[acc929]

Let's just say to each his own, shall we? Thanks all.

 

[JohnnyRottenAppleseed]

I don't see how juicing can be effective. THC and CBD are on resin glands on surface of leaves. Juicing the water out of cannabis won't contain THC or cbd. Using a masticating juicer suck as a wheatgrass juicer or any other will leave Veg matter aside and I'm thinking the THC and cbd. Can anyone explain to me how juicing will extract THC oil from leaves? Seems like a waste. I'd love to see someone test this juice for CBS and THC.

 

[FrancisK7]

THC and CBD exist in acid form within the leaves (THCA, CBDA). They are not psychoactive in this form. This in turns allows to ingest much bigger doses. As much as 600mg from what I read in the literature (typically, a mid-sized plant still in veg per day).

The masticating juicer produces a very thick, dark green liquid that is supposedly extremely bitter.


http://www.beyondthc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Juicing-33.pdf

 

[JohnnyRottenAppleseed]

I have never read that THC exists within plant but on outside. I don't doubt you just curious where the data comes from. Before the idea of juicing came about no one spoke of this.

 

[FrancisK7]

I have never read that THC exists within plant but on outside. I don't doubt you just curious where the data comes from. Before the idea of juicing came about no one spoke of this.

THCA exists in the plant, not THC. THC is created within the trichomes in later flowering stage. Then that THC is degraded into CBN,CBG, CBD, etc. THCA is not psychoactive, but THC is.

You have to understand that the "research" that has been done on cannabis was often done by stoners, aka people looking to get high for fun. They would never have cared to explore non-psychoactive properties of the plant since that is the only aspect they care about.

It wasn't even known or understood how cannabinoids interacted with our body exactly until a few years ago when they figured out THC/CBN/CBG/CBD interactions with specific CB1 and CB2 receptors and their role.

So yes, it is somewhat recent news. It still remains to be demonstrated in an experimental study.

 

[JohnnyRottenAppleseed]

Word. Hey I'm a stoner and a medical user . I've been using for twenty years. I've also had undisguised crohns for longer than that. I've done a lot of other drugs in the past and never felt the other drugs were medicinal or helpful. Cannabis is a miracle plant/medicine.

 

[FrancisK7]

Word. Hey I'm a stoner and a medical user . I've been using for twenty years. I've also had undisguised crohns for longer than that. I've done a lot of other drugs in the past and never felt the other drugs were medicinal or helpful. Cannabis is a miracle plant/medicine.

There is no doubt about it, and while there is nothing wrong with being a stoner, being high all day long on a regular basis isn't compatible with a productive lifestyle in my field of work, so I personally would welcome any alternative delivery methods that induced the medical benefits of relieving my pain, treating the inflammation in my gut, but without the high.

 

[GraspIt]

Agree