Crohn's after antibiotics, anyone else?

[wild_one353]

Unxmas: Hmm, you have a point, I am not sure how things go over there in the Uk since you have universal health care, and people are not charged for meds and such like they are here. I mean here in the States you practically have to be rich anymore to afford meds and medical tests. That or you have to have very good insurance( which is also becoming a thing of the past). Insurance companies are denying payment for more and more it seems these days. I mean I cannot speak for the health care system over there, but over here it is as corrupt as it comes. Almost like the opposite of over there. Where your doctors are trained not to push expensive tests and meds, here they will fall down backwards pushing these things on people( whether it is needed or not). They also charge a ton for them as well. I mean I find it outrageous that they can charge over $6000 for an MRI. Also they can charge $6000 for ONE humira infusion. Who the hell could afford that for very long? And insurance will not pay forever. Here is the thing, most people here, even ones with the best insurance have a 1 million dollar life coverage. Meaning if your bills go over the 1 million dollar mark, they no longer cover you. This is why some( very few) doctors here are starting to be hesitant about pushing tests and such. But I will say, this is a very small number of doctors. My gastro is one who does not push tests. Also my husband just saw a doctor ( endocrinologist) and he was appalled that our family doctor had my husband go through a bone density scan at his age ( he is 34). It is not like my husband had any issues. Well unfortunately the bone density scan our doctor did showed that my husband had full blown osteopenia in his hips! This is what brought us to the endocrinologist. Well he said first off, the doctor NEVER should have even did a bone density on him. He said they do not have many reliable trials or research to compare that of a healthy young guys bones since they do not normally do bone density scans on males his age. Well due to this test showing he has such bad osteoporosis, the doctor had to redo this bone density but on a machine that was correctly calibrated to my husbands age. Well it turned out he did NOT have osteoporosis at all. It showed some slight osteopenia, but the endo doc said this was likely in the normal range to guys his age. My whole point was that this doc said this is what happens when tests are done unnecessarily. He said it costs so much money and not to mention worry and stress, and you get false results some times.

But I seriously think if the medical researchers wanted to really find a cure for these diseases, they could. Think about it, when polio first was going around and people were getting it they sat on it, did nothing. But then President Roosevelt got it himself, then the medical researchers were all over that crap! In fact they developed a vaccine shortly afterwards to prevent it! Sadly, it was too late for President Roosevelt, but look how fast they came up with that vaccine! Believe me, if the president had not come down with polio, they would not have came up with a vaccine that quick. I can guarantee you if someone Big, like the president came down with Crohns or one his kids or family members, they would be all over finding a cause and a cure! There would be tons of money put into researching for a cause and a cure. Some say they even have a cure for AIDS now, but they are not letting it out to everyone. Even cancer. Think about it, they do not want to put out cures. If they did, all the hospitals and Big pharma would go out of business. Even over there in the UK I am sure.

I mean I could be way off here, but with how everything is going and all the corruption out there, nothing would surprise me. Even when my own mom was dying of cancer, I mean they told her she had 4th stage cancer. In other words, she was dying. The doctor there however did not tell us she had fourth stage until AFTER they had her go through many many expensive tests. After all that money and all those tests the doctor says to us " well, we could not really find it, but it did not really make too much difference because it is terminal anyhow. I cannot tell you how upset we all were and disgusted. The doctor even argued with my mom saying she HAD to get Chemo started right away! My mom said No, The Doctor told my mom she had to, that it would prolong her life possibly by 6 to 9 months!!!! Yeah, 9 months of complete agony and not to mention the $$$$ they would charge. My mom walked out while the doctor was still talking. I mean they did not want to take no for an answer. IT was ALL about the money, I mean anyone could see that. I guess after that and after seeing all I have been through with doctors and stuff, it kind of opens your eyes to things. At least over here. I mean I will say that at least over there in the UK they have it right by having free health care. It should be free everywhere really. That will NEVER happen here. To much big Greedy Cooperates here.

so how is your mom now? and how long ago was that? did she die 6-9 months later? or within that month?

i would agree with the doctors that some intervention to affect the disease progress was needed at that time, but i wonder if dietary and other improvements might just as well be enough? instead of the drugs or radiation.

 

[Ihurt]

WillBill: This was 10 years ago. My mom died. She was diagnosed with the secondary liver cancer in March of 2002, and she died August 13th of 2002. My mom was already chronically sick a big part of her life so there was no way my mom would ever have subjected herself to doing Chemo. We were very upset for the reason that they knew my mom had fourth stage cancer which was terminal but neglected to tell us right away. They told us AFTER they had her to go through all these tests saying they needed to find out where the cancer originated from. I mean it was rather disgusting because after all those tests( not to mention the false hope they were giving us) the doctors says to us that well, we were not able to find where the cancer started( their guess was her lungs), but either way it does not matter really since there is no hope, it is 4th stage and terminal! It was like being hit with a boulder. My dad was devastated and asked the doctor right out in the open WHY he did not tell us this before he had my mom going through all these painful uncomfortable tests???? The doctor sat there and said nothing.

As far as intervention, there was No intervention needed at all. All they had to do was tell the truth and leave the choices up to my mom. They did not. They lied! They held back info about my moms condition ( that it was terminal) until AFTER she did all those tests. Then they had a nerve to try and push Chemo on her telling her it would prolong her life by 6 months and maybe even 9 months. Any way you look at it, she was dying. Chemo may have prolonged her life ( which I doubt) but it definitely would have made her sicker than a dog as well. We even asked told the doctor this and do you know his answer was?? HE said, well so what, at least you would still be here!! I mean it was definitely all about making money off my poor dying mom. Disgusting. This was I gotta say my first eye opener about the western medical corporation and how horrible it can be. My mom went home and enrolled in Hospice where they come to your home when you need them. So my mom had like maybe 3 months where she was ok and then she went downhill pretty fast after that. Even the hospice doctor said had she did the chemo, that alone would likely have killed her. She made the right choice.

 

[wild_one353]

WillBill: This was 10 years ago. My mom died. She was diagnosed with the secondary liver cancer in March of 2002, and she died August 13th of 2002. My mom was already chronically sick a big part of her life so there was no way my mom would ever have subjected herself to doing Chemo. We were very upset for the reason that they knew my mom had fourth stage cancer which was terminal but neglected to tell us right away. They told us AFTER they had her to go through all these tests saying they needed to find out where the cancer originated from. I mean it was rather disgusting because after all those tests( not to mention the false hope they were giving us) the doctors says to us that well, we were not able to find where the cancer started( their guess was her lungs), but either way it does not matter really since there is no hope, it is 4th stage and terminal! It was like being hit with a boulder. My dad was devastated and asked the doctor right out in the open WHY he did not tell us this before he had my mom going through all these painful uncomfortable tests???? The doctor sat there and said nothing.

As far as intervention, there was No intervention needed at all. All they had to do was tell the truth and leave the choices up to my mom. They did not. They lied! They held back info about my moms condition ( that it was terminal) until AFTER she did all those tests. Then they had a nerve to try and push Chemo on her telling her it would prolong her life by 6 months and maybe even 9 months. Any way you look at it, she was dying. Chemo may have prolonged her life ( which I doubt) but it definitely would have made her sicker than a dog as well. We even asked told the doctor this and do you know his answer was?? HE said, well so what, at least you would still be here!! I mean it was definitely all about making money off my poor dying mom. Disgusting. This was I gotta say my first eye opener about the western medical corporation and how horrible it can be. My mom went home and enrolled in Hospice where they come to your home when you need them. So my mom had like maybe 3 months where she was ok and then she went downhill pretty fast after that. Even the hospice doctor said had she did the chemo, that alone would likely have killed her. She made the right choice.

sorry to hear about your mom and her experiance.
if they were to have found the origination of the cancer from where it was metastasizing, they could have considered surgery, and that may have truly prolonged her life maybe even saved her. So the doctors decisions, while probably not perfect from the patients perspective, seemed fairly sound. however, depending on her condition, you are probably right about the chemo/radiation, it can take a toll and she may have been better off avoiding that. i have witnessed my uncle during lung cancer metastasizing to brain cancer, he seemed perfectly fine before chemo/radiation, then after treatments, quickly declined. supposedly the doctor gave him extra radiation treatment directly to his brain, as the doctor believed he was "so far gone" that he would up the dose to "help more". and that was it for him, now after zapping his brain with so much radiation, his entire body stopped working correctly, it appeared to me, that, the doctor had killed him, he was functional before the chemo and radiation, i believed had he simply quit smoking, reduced his stress, eat a super healthy diet, he would still be here today.

in another related story my mom was diagnosed with stage 4 cervical cancer and she decided to simply change her diet, that was 17 years ago, no chemo radiation doctors, nothing. she is still living a healthy life.


I'm not sure doctors ever really know whether someone is going to die from cancer with absolute certainty, even if they say so, but the probability is very high, they can at least be right about assessing probability. at the time of diagnosis, if they find something and the patient just continues on the same path of dietary habits sleep habits and stress levels, you can be sure they will die if some sort of change isnt made at diagnosis ,whether it be surgery radiation chemo, or even diet, sleep exercise, and stress reduction.

 

[Ihurt]

Willbill: Wow, I am sorry for what your Uncle went through and your mom! Thankfully your mom is still with you, that is great. I am so glad she was able to beat the cervical cancer without doing all the chemo and stuff.

That is why my mom declined the chemo as well. I mean my mom was by no means a robust healthy person before being diagnosed. She had health issues ( she had High blood pressure, Mienetriers disease which is a rare disease of the stomach, She also had bowel issues, they called it Mucus colitis which is what they call IBS now). There was no way my mom would have survived the effects of chemo. I am certain it would have made her gravely sick. They said she had multiple lesions all throughout her liver so in my opinion I think Chemo would have just killed her faster. At least she had a couple ok months with us on the hospice.

That is awesome that your mom was able to reverse the cervical cancer with diet and all. I mean you are 100% right, no doctor can really predict when a person is going to die. I mean my dads best friend was told he was suppose to be dead 25 years ago that he would never survive another 5 years at that time from his bad heart. It is crazy but the doctors that told him this are all dead now, but he is still alive! Go figure....

 

[Tracey1788]

Augmentin is Amoxicillin-clavulanic acid, thats what gave me crohns. when i took it i got over my bronchitis after a week or so and felt better, then by the second week i felt much worse, hair started falliing out, i felt insane. then had to quit my job after 4 months after. slowly ibd emerged until being diagnosed a year later. never felt the same since.

to me their is hardly any difference between c diff and IBD, its all chronic diarrhea that is somewhat life threatening.

its already an accepted fact that antibiotics cause temporary colitis and temporary diarrhea. so then its not that much of a stretch to say it also causes more permanent diarrhea, like c diff and IBD.
Well they acknowledge c diff comes after antibiotics, but that say the cause is c diff not antibiotics, conveniently protecting the pharma and medical establishment. they say c diff is the cause of c diff, and treat it with more antibiotics. and it actually may never be acknowledged that antibiotics can cause IBD, but now there is good scientific evidence.

I was also on Augmentin for Breast sepsis. This was one of the many antibiotics I was on for several weeks. two weeks after stopping these pills is when my tummy troubles started and 2 weeks later ended up in casualty. Incidently I would avoid eating whilst at work because the pills would cause me to have very loose stools.

 

[wild_one353]

someone in this thread stated that when they told their doctor they were convined the antibiotics brought on their IBD, the doctor responded, "if antibiotics caused IBD, then how do you explain all the people that have taken it in the past, that DO NOT develop IBD?", his asserted conclusion of these observations being therefore this observation "proves beyond all doubt", that antibiotics cannot cause IBD!!!

then i would say in response, if antibiotics can never cause IBD, then all clouds NEVER cause Rain!!! obviously there some beautiful summer days we have that have plenty of clouds yet, NO RAIN!!! obviously this doctors horribly developed argument is based on a super simplistic idea of cause and effect relationships, and of the general nature of the universe. there are more variables to the nature of clouds that can produce rain, just as their are more variables involved for antibiotics to cause IBD.

So, the fact that there are people that have taken antibiotics and never develop IBD, does not mean antibiotics never cause IBD. look at all the clouds that never cause rain, we could then also say, therefore, clouds do not cause rain. no, that's not true. Clouds definitely are somehow involved in causing rain.

And i also believe that somehow antibiotics are definitely involved in causing some cases of IBD.

 

[Ihurt]

Very Good Point indeed! It stands that doctors really have No clue what causes crohns so therefore they cannot say with certainity what "does not" cause it....

someone in this thread stated that when they told their doctor they were convined the antibiotics brought on their IBD, the doctor responded, "if antibiotics caused IBD, then how do you explain all the people that have taken it in the past, that DO NOT develop IBD?", his asserted conclusion of these observations being therefore this observation "proves beyond all doubt", that antibiotics cannot cause IBD!!!

then i would say in response, if antibiotics can never cause IBD, then all clouds NEVER cause Rain!!! obviously there some beautiful summer days we have that have plenty of clouds yet, NO RAIN!!! obviously this doctors horribly developed argument is based on a super simplistic idea of cause and effect relationships, and of the general nature of the universe. there are more variables to the nature of clouds that can produce rain, just as their are more variables involved for antibiotics to cause IBD.

So, the fact that there are people that have taken antibiotics and never develop IBD, does not mean antibiotics never cause IBD. look at all the clouds that never cause rain, we could then also say, therefore, clouds do not cause rain. no, that's not true. Clouds definitely are somehow involved in causing rain.

 

[taya92]

Sorry to bump this up but I'd just like to add that I'm another who has taken antibiotics and ended up with massive weight loss and malabsorption, a stomach ulcer , numerous food allergies and so on. I've still not been diagnosed but I was on antibiotics for several years as a child and what pushed me over the edge was a course of tetracycline for just a month.

My doctor is actually very open minded to the fact that antibiotics put me where I am , he mentioned he'd seen a few others in similar situations. What they have actually specifically done is the question.

I had comprehensive digestive stool analysis which shown that I had zero growth of the lactobacillus species ( friendly bacteria ) , not a deficiency but a complete lack of any. I also had an overgrowth of streptococcus. This all points to dysbiosis and/or SIBO but I've not been officially tested for SIBO with a breath test as of yet.

Whether or not SIBO could cause such severe malabsorption and health problems is another questions also.

In situations like ours there appears sadly to be much more questions than answers but at least we have forums such as this where we can share our advice and stories.

 

[Ihurt]

When you had the comprehensive stool test done, was it done by a naturopathic doctor? I had one done about 2 and half years ago by a lab called metometrix. At the time I did not have any gut issues to much per say though, just other health issues. My test did not show dysbiosis at the time. Well about almost 2 years ago I started having bad intestinal pain and issues. I have been sick for 2 years now with having constant intestinal pains. Interestingly, I have had to be on low dose antibiotics for years now to control another condition I have( Interstitial Cystitis of the bladder) which causes me to get bad UTI's. I am pretty sure that the low dose antibiotics have caused ALL my gut issues. But I have no choice really at this point. I would rather take the low dose antibiotic than have to take frequent courses of high doses when I get a UTI.

Do you take probiotics? I take High doses of probiotics that includes acidophilus and many other beneficial bacteria. I kind of want to get my stool tested again to see where I am at but I know that western med doctors do not do this kind of testing( why I do not know), you think they would! I would go back to the naturopathic doc who did it the first time but my insurance will not cover...

Sorry to bump this up but I'd just like to add that I'm another who has taken antibiotics and ended up with massive weight loss and malabsorption, a stomach ulcer , numerous food allergies and so on. I've still not been diagnosed but I was on antibiotics for several years as a child and what pushed me over the edge was a course of tetracycline for just a month.

My doctor is actually very open minded to the fact that antibiotics put me where I am , he mentioned he'd seen a few others in similar situations. What they have actually specifically done is the question.

I had comprehensive digestive stool analysis which shown that I had zero growth of the lactobacillus species ( friendly bacteria ) , not a deficiency but a complete lack of any. I also had an overgrowth of streptococcus. This all points to dysbiosis and/or SIBO but I've not been officially tested for SIBO with a breath test as of yet.

Whether or not SIBO could cause such severe malabsorption and health problems is another questions also.

In situations like ours there appears sadly to be much more questions than answers but at least we have forums such as this where we can share our advice and stories.

 

[taya92]

When you had the comprehensive stool test done, was it done by a naturopathic doctor? I had one done about 2 and half years ago by a lab called metometrix. At the time I did not have any gut issues to much per say though, just other health issues. My test did not show dysbiosis at the time. Well about almost 2 years ago I started having bad intestinal pain and issues. I have been sick for 2 years now with having constant intestinal pains. Interestingly, I have had to be on low dose antibiotics for years now to control another condition I have( Interstitial Cystitis of the bladder) which causes me to get bad UTI's. I am pretty sure that the low dose antibiotics have caused ALL my gut issues. But I have no choice really at this point. I would rather take the low dose antibiotic than have to take frequent courses of high doses when I get a UTI.

Do you take probiotics? I take High doses of probiotics that includes acidophilus and many other beneficial bacteria. I kind of want to get my stool tested again to see where I am at but I know that western med doctors do not do this kind of testing( why I do not know), you think they would! I would go back to the naturopathic doc who did it the first time but my insurance will not cover...

I had my stool sample performed by Genova diagnostics and the results interpreted by a Dr.Myhill. She's definitely very knowledgeable but in comparison to your everyday doctor quite out there and many specialists and doctors I've shown her recommendations think it's a bit much.

Off of my results she basically recommended I start a zero carb diet and take high dose vitamin C along with kefir and take transdermal supplements through the skin.

I don't agree with zero carb diets and find I definitely feel better eating safe carbohydrates such as sweet potato , some gluten free grains and so on.

Dr.Myhill has a whole page here on gut fermentation caused by bacteria and the symptoms it can bring on you may find interesting. If you were interested you can actually order stool samples and for their results to be interpreted from her site and they send the stuff out to you.

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Fermentation_in_the_gut_and_CFS

Here is her page on Crohns Disease and Ulcerative Colitis.

http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Crohn%27s_disease_and_ulcerative_colitis_-_inflammatory_bowel_disease_responds_well_to_the_environmental_approach

The whole idea of gut fermentation and dysbiosis commonly ties into the much more recognized Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

Probiotics in my particular case tend to actually make me feel much worse but this can be a common occurrence with SIBO and dysbiosis.

If I was in your particular situation I'd maybe try my best to come off of the antibiotics but if you find they're as helpful as they seem to be for your Cystitis it may not be wise, maybe discussing with your doctor and researching some alternate treatment and trying it out would be a possibility. I was on antibiotics for 2 years straight for a prostate problem as a child ( which was an absolute nightmare to get diagnosed ) but managed to come off of them by changing my diet and lifestyle since I no longer liked the idea of being dependent on them. I'm just glad I came off them when I did.

I took the single course of tetracycline for acne that ironically developed after the 2 year course of other antibiotics and even more ironically 80% of the acne cleared when I changed my diet after all of the antibiotics.

The same sadly can't be said for my digestion and absorption though, something has altered there that just doesn't want to go back.

Many people blame candida after antibiotics if they develop health problems and whilst this is possible I think it's blown massively out of proportion and it's usually an overabundance or imbalance of bacteria that is causing problems.

 

[tsb2000]

I'm pretty convinced antibiotics are how I got it. I had a scrip for Augmentin for an infection unrelated to anything in my gut in January. Two days later, I was in the bathroom non-stop. I took the meds for another day, then had to stop because the pain was unbearable. Had a CT scan (Feb), then a colonoscopy (Apr), then a small bowel study two weeks later. I got the dx toward the end of April with a giant bottle of Apriso.


...and here I am. :stinks:

 

[taya92]

For everyone here struggling with diarrhea and or bloating after antibiotics or any of the symptoms listed under this link please be tested for SIBO. I'm sure there are many discussions regarding this on this forum but it's one of the digestive problem which can be caused by antibiotics and if you're displaying the typical symptoms it's worth a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_intestinal_bacterial_overgrowth

My digestive problems have arose after antibiotics although I don't display any of the typical symptoms of SIBO so my situation may be more complicated. I've still yet to be tested though.

 

[Ihurt]

Taya92,

Thanks for that info, I really appreciate. I am going to look into getting my stool checked again for the flora counts. I really would be interested to see if all the heavy duty probiotics are actually working.

I would love to come off these antibiotics, but I am scared. I don't want to get another UTI where I will have to be on high dose antibiotics, that would kill me I am sure. I have tried many alternative things to stop the UTI's( I did this before I ever gave in and started taking these low dose antibiotics). Nothing would work. I just got worse and worse with my bladder, it was a nightmare. Believe me, I am so Anti-drug that for me to cave in an take the antibiotics, I was desperate. I was suicidal at the time the pain from the constant UTI was so bad. I am on a diet that is basically very very low carb. I eat sweet potatoes though like you do. I also have been Gluten Free for over 6 years now too. My diet it pretty healthy-bland. I also try and eat as organic as possible too.

I hope they can figure out what is causing the absorption issues you are having.

Thanks again for the links...

 

[ce1210]

I definitely think my crohn's is antibiotic related...growing up I had a lot of sinus and ear infections as I had terrible allergies and live in an area with awful air quality. I was often on antibiotics for sinus infections. Well a little over a year ago, after going 3 years w/o health insurance in the good ol US of A, I saw an ENT because I had a sinus infection that wasn't going away with amoxicillin. So he prescribed me a series of 6 different antibiotics over a 5 month period to get the infection out so he could do surgery to remove tonsils and fix nose/sinuses. After the surgery, I wason more antibiotics for 2 weeks to prevent post surgical infection. After this when I started eating again, I was having terrible acid reflux, I have always had it to some degree, but it was terrible. I was taking 3 Prilosec a day and eating tums left and right with no relief. Also started having really bad back neck and hip pains through last summer after the surgery. Reflux worsened until last winter I had a few episodes of throwing up blood. Then this spring, chronic mucous filled D joined in with the reflux and back pain. After 2 months of that and losing 35 pounds I finally saw a GI who prescribed me to more Prilosec. When I asked him if antibiotics could have caused my problems he brushed off the question. He also says probiotics are a waste of money and I have experimented on myself with them and I know they work. Doctors seem to be extremely defensive of antibiotics which I guess makes sense as they get paid to prescribe them and they are often hailed as a drug that "changed humanity".....

 

[Ihurt]

Yep, most doctors do not push probitoics. Though I have seen 2 Gastro doctors who have( including the one I see now). Even my primary care doctor recommends them to her patients. Sadly, doctors do not like to recommend probiotics because they are not FDA approved( which means nothing really!). I do not trust the FDA at all, hell, they approve things that actually caused death to people during trials!! Enough said there.

How long after you had taken the antibiotics did you come down with crohns symptoms?

I definitely think my crohn's is antibiotic related...growing up I had a lot of sinus and ear infections as I had terrible allergies and live in an area with awful air quality. I was often on antibiotics for sinus infections. Well a little over a year ago, after going 3 years w/o health insurance in the good ol US of A, I saw an ENT because I had a sinus infection that wasn't going away with amoxicillin. So he prescribed me a series of 6 different antibiotics over a 5 month period to get the infection out so he could do surgery to remove tonsils and fix nose/sinuses. After the surgery, I wason more antibiotics for 2 weeks to prevent post surgical infection. After this when I started eating again, I was having terrible acid reflux, I have always had it to some degree, but it was terrible. I was taking 3 Prilosec a day and eating tums left and right with no relief. Also started having really bad back neck and hip pains through last summer after the surgery. Reflux worsened until last winter I had a few episodes of throwing up blood. Then this spring, chronic mucous filled D joined in with the reflux and back pain. After 2 months of that and losing 35 pounds I finally saw a GI who prescribed me to more Prilosec. When I asked him if antibiotics could have caused my problems he brushed off the question. He also says probiotics are a waste of money and I have experimented on myself with them and I know they work. Doctors seem to be extremely defensive of antibiotics which I guess makes sense as they get paid to prescribe them and they are often hailed as a drug that "changed humanity".....

 

[Volcano]

I had many antibiotics pumped into me as a baby. I developed asthma shortly after and around age 13 is when it ceased. Before taking accutane I did take an antibiotic for acne. The truth revealed?

 

[taya92]

It's ironic I posted in this thread a few days ago. I mentioned antibiotics somehow caused my ill health and since then ( around two years ago ) I've been trying to pin point what is actually going on in my body , I'm unable to gain any weight , have several food allergies , a stomach ulcer and gastritis , severe mal-absorption issues which has caused several deficiencies and so on.

The irony is that the last few days I've had toothache steadily getting much worse and based on how I feel now I'm guessing my tooth is infected. I've got a dentist appointment on Tuesday ( which I'm going to try and get moved to tomorrow ) and I'm guessing it's likely they will want to give me antibiotics. I am terrified of antibiotics after what they seemed to do to me although I knew the day would inevitably come when I would need them again.

I may ask about alternatives if it to it , I'm thinking high dose allicin , extracted from garlic.

 

[Ihurt]

Whatever you do, I would Not take clindamycin. This one is one of the worst antibiotics you can take. Dentists like to give this one for some reason. It is very hard on the digestive tract and has a high risk of causing C-diff... Good Lcuk. Oh, you can ask for a special mouthwash that has antibacterial properties. That may be a suitable alternative..

 

[wild_one353]

It's ironic I posted in this thread a few days ago. I mentioned antibiotics somehow caused my ill health and since then ( around two years ago ) I've been trying to pin point what is actually going on in my body , I'm unable to gain any weight , have several food allergies , a stomach ulcer and gastritis , severe mal-absorption issues which has caused several deficiencies and so on.

The irony is that the last few days I've had toothache steadily getting much worse and based on how I feel now I'm guessing my tooth is infected. I've got a dentist appointment on Tuesday ( which I'm going to try and get moved to tomorrow ) and I'm guessing it's likely they will want to give me antibiotics. I am terrified of antibiotics after what they seemed to do to me although I knew the day would inevitably come when I would need them again.

I may ask about alternatives if it to it , I'm thinking high dose allicin , extracted from garlic.

just eat lots of fruits veggies and whole grains for fiber, good bacteria will feed on them, and antibiotics wont effect the good ones then.

 

[taya92]

Thanks for the advice guys. As expected I went to the dentist this morning and he said my tooth isn't infected but my gum is since a wisdom tooth is popping through !. I'm 21 and I actually thought they'd already all come through. With not much room for the wisdom tooth to come through my gum is taking the damage.

I told him my concerns about the antibiotics given my past history with them and he asked which antibiotic it was. When I told him I was on several but tetracycline seemed to be the worst of the bunch he wrote me out a prescription for amoxicillin.

Afterwards I went to a local pharmacy who prefer natural products and asked them about the allicin , he mentioned because not much blood supply gets to the teeth he's not sure if it would be effective enough but to take 10 ( yes ten ! ) allicin capsules per day for 3 days whilst also swilling my mouth with salt water twice a day and see how I go. If the pain is still there and bothering me then I'll likely have to take the antibiotics.

I hope the allicin and salt water will work !. I'm happy to say I had a really pleasant and understanding dentist at least , wish me luck lol !.

 

[wild_one353]

Thanks for the advice guys. As expected I went to the dentist this morning and he said my tooth isn't infected but my gum is since a wisdom tooth is popping through !. I'm 21 and I actually thought they'd already all come through. With not much room for the wisdom tooth to come through my gum is taking the damage.

I told him my concerns about the antibiotics given my past history with them and he asked which antibiotic it was. When I told him I was on several but tetracycline seemed to be the worst of the bunch he wrote me out a prescription for amoxicillin.

Afterwards I went to a local pharmacy who prefer natural products and asked them about the allicin , he mentioned because not much blood supply gets to the teeth he's not sure if it would be effective enough but to take 10 ( yes ten ! ) allicin capsules per day for 3 days whilst also swilling my mouth with salt water twice a day and see how I go. If the pain is still there and bothering me then I'll likely have to take the antibiotics.

I hope the allicin and salt water will work !. I'm happy to say I had a really pleasant and understanding dentist at least , wish me luck lol !.

hey, i have had the same problems with my gums getting infected with wisdom teeth, for a temporary fix before you get them removed, rinse with baking soda and water and be careful not to chew on the the infected side, nor brush them too hard as you can push food further into the gum to get infected. also, i gently take a dulled tooth pic and scrape the inside of the gum to try and free any lodged food in the gum.

i have done this like 4 times in the last 9 months as i do not want any dental work for another year. it takes like a week for the infection to subside, but by doing these things it always goes away. i still know i need the wisdom teeth taken out though.

 

[taya92]

Thanks for the advice , it's much appreciated. I hope the infection only lasts a week. So you didn't take any antibiotics then ?. That gives me some faith that my regime could work then.

 

[Ihurt]

You may not even be infected. When your wisdom teeth are cutting, it normally will cause pain. I know I use to get awful pain in one of mine every time it would try and cut through. I did eventually have them removed. Hopefully this will pass once it stops cutting through.

 

[wild_one353]

You may not even be infected. When your wisdom teeth are cutting, it normally will cause pain. I know I use to get awful pain in one of mine every time it would try and cut through. I did eventually have them removed. Hopefully this will pass once it stops cutting through.

good point, may not be infected at all just coming through the gums.

 

[ce1210]

Yep, most doctors do not push probitoics. Though I have seen 2 Gastro doctors who have( including the one I see now). Even my primary care doctor recommends them to her patients. Sadly, doctors do not like to recommend probiotics because they are not FDA approved( which means nothing really!). I do not trust the FDA at all, hell, they approve things that actually caused death to people during trials!! Enough said there.

How long after you had taken the antibiotics did you come down with crohns symptoms?

hey, sorry took me so long to respond, but I started having the uncontrollable acid reflux the week after stopping all the antibiotics from my sinus probs and tonsil surgery and I believe the uncontrollable reflux was the first sign of my crohn's bc from there I started having more and more abdominal issues until my crohn's diagnosis and subsequent prescription for steroids and all that.....I just finished a round of doxycycline for a skin infection and the doxy made me constipated and screwed my stomach up badly for the entire 10 days I was on it...3 days of a "probiotic blitz" after stopping the doxy and I feel much much better

 

[ce1210]

I'm starting to see that diet and probiotic supplementation seem to be more effective than entocort or asacol for my crohn's symptoms...for some reason, unlike most crohn's sufferers I get badly constipated if I am flaring instead of the other way around. If I'm not pooping at least 3 times a day I feel completely awful

 

[Philn]

Same with me...I took amoxicillin and four weeks later symptoms began. I don't know that it triggered the disease but I suspect it did.

 

[Tracey1788]

My health issues have gone full circle. It started with breast sepsis following a biopsy. * weeks of high does antibiotics, then crohns symptoms that stopped after a month on Pentasa. 2 weeks ago breast inflammation, more antibiotics and now tummy pains are back again. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. There has to be a link between antibiotics and Crohns

 

[carrollco]

2 five day doses of Azithromycin for severe bronchitis gave me the flare that has never gone away. Almost 9 years now.

Louann Carroll
www.louanncarroll.com
Crohn's survivor and advocate
Trying the natural method that's not working so well right now. I DO NOT recommend this to anyone.

 

[blackli]

My crohns was diagnosed 15 years ago, but have had 2 flares in the last year that were attributed to antibiotics. I'm so afraid to get sick because I won't take the antibiotics unless absolutely necessary now. I generally get a lovely case of Pancreatitis with each flare too so will avoid antibiotics at all costs. I do find taking a daily dose of probiotics helps my pain and bloating - 50 billion is the dose I take.

 

[SickLikeMe]

I believe that my Crohn's was brought about by a parade of antibiotics I had to treat a prostate infection. In a month and a half space of time I was proscribed 3 different antibiotics. I believe this completely "nuked" all the good bacterial flora in my bowls and not to long afterwards I was in a docs office hearing all about IBD for the first time. I do not think this is a coincidence.

 

[Ali29]

My Crohn's started right after a round of antibiotics Cefdinir - turned my stools maroon by the 3rd day, which I immediatly discontinued. D has never gone away since the antibiotics.

 

[justthetruth]

I was diagnosed in 1996 after having taken Biaxin an antibiotic for a sinus infection (I never had sinus trouble in my whole life). It made me nauseas, I told my dr., he prescribed something for the nausea which didn't really help, I got a yeast infection on my tongue which I got another prescription for. I finished the Biaxin, got rid of the sinus infection and then the yeast infection, then, within a week, I went to the emergency room , dehydrated and almost passing out from diahrrea, sent to a gastro, had the colonoscopy and diagnosed with crohns. I would be my life on the conclusion that Biaxin, a strong antibiotic, caused me to get crohns. I've always been a slender, athletic, active, healthy woman...I used to be...before Crohns. Now I'm in an acupuncture/supplement program trying to heal my gut instead of taking anti-inflamitories to maintain my symptoms.

 

[JohnnyRottenAppleseed]

Mine started after z-pack. After doing an elimination diet and taking cipro and flagyl to combat what I believe but have no proof was C diff or unbalance of gut bacteria, I have come back to normal. In fact, my bowel movements are better than when I was a kid when my stomach was bad from old food and questionable sanitation by my parents who have guts of steel. You need to normalize gut microbiome. Google microbiome and eat organic euro style yogurt and fermented foods and bananas after an elimination diet. Cycle supplements and diet (no extremism) be patient natural methods take months to see results as opposed to pharmaceuticals. Drink a lot of pure water daily, sleep 7-8 hours, and stress management( exercise and mediation). Don't expect quick results. You can heal your life. I'm living proof I was Fd for 5 years. Symptom free for almost three years, and antibiotic free for 3 years. Cipro flagyl will knock back bad bacterial overgrowth as will xifaxan. Good luck finding xifaxan or a doc who thinks bacteria or what you eat (GMO's) have anything to do with digestive issues. Smoking was good for you too until it was bad. The earth was flat until it was round. Wax on, wax off.

PS do not ask for antibiotics for colds and sinus infections unless you have a fever or symptoms that will not go away. Ask for specific antibiotics as opposed to broad spectrum like z pack to avoid gut problems. Yogurt and fermented foods have more probiotics than supplants except for S Boulardi. Def buy and take S Boulardi. Google elongation diet and intermittent fasting.