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My daughter occasionally takes Ultram for pain. It makes her sleepy and she finds it hard to concentrate and do homework after taking it, but it helped her both with joint pain and with abdominal pain.
Hope it helps A and you get answers soon!
 
I'm so angry right now I'm fighting back tears. First of all, no one has even looked at my daughter's lab results from last week. Both the Rheumo and GI nurse are arguing about who ordered the labs and both say they can't find them in the system.

And then I get the pathology report from her leg biopsy which reads: RIGHT THIGH SKIN AND SUBCUTANEOUS TISSUE, BIOPSY:
Mildly edematous skin and subcutaneous tissue with recent hemorrhage
and mild superficial dermal infiltrate of mononuclear cells with rare
neutrophils and eosinophils (see note).
NOTE: The primary histological findings in this biopsy include a
subtle superficial perivascular dermal infiltrate that includes rare
granulocytes, as well as mild dermal edema in association with
evidence of recent hemorrhage in the subcutaneous tissue. These
findings have many similarities with the patient's previous skin
biopsy (see pathology report NS13-945), although the findings in the
present biopsy are significantly less impressive than in the previous.
The histological findings described above are not definitively
diagnostic for a vasculitis, panniculitis, or a mass lesion.
Nevertheless, the constellation of findings are somewhat suggestive of
urticaria or hypersensitivity reaction, and in conjuction with the
clinical history and findings, raise the possibility of an urticarial
vasculitis or a related disease. Of note, urticarial vasculitis may
precede the development of a variety of systemic disorders, including
-but not limited to- PAN and inflammatory bowel disease, both of which
have been questioned clinically.

So she's been cut open twice and they still don't know what these lumps are all over her body! This is why I was hesitant to do a second biopsy in the first place!! Her lesions look nothing like hives so I don't buy the "urticarial vasculitis" crap. I'm so fed up with doctors not being able to tell me what's wrong with my child!!!
 
Big hugs! This has got to be so difficult... sending you all the support... you are being such a good advocate for your girl.
 
It looks nothing like the pictures in that link. It looks exactly like erythema nodosum and PAN. I spoke with the Rheumo nurse and she said the doctor would call me later. Not holding my breath......
 
:ghug:

God I hope the doc doesn’t keep you waiting too long DanceMom. :(

Through all this are you leaning a particular way, disease wise mum?

In my thoughts. :heart:

Dusty. xxx
 
Really sorry to hear all of this, thinking of both of you:ghug:

Have you considered getting a second opinion from a rheumatologist?
I hope they find A's results soon, it's totally ridiculous that they don't know who ordered the tests!
 
Can you have the biopsy slides sent out ( both sets ) plus her scope slides to one of the big three for review ?
This way no trip - just review
Not sure on top pediatric Rheumo hospitals
But since there are so few ped Rheumo to begin with and sometimes pathologist reports are different based on the shear number and experience of the pathologist with the particular disease .
Have you contacted nih ?
Maybe send blood sample and biopsy slides there ???

Big hugs your way so very frustrating
 
Got last week's labs back (at 2 AM this morning! lol). All looked good except low WBC again. Globulin was just barely in the normal range but that's an improvement. Yesterday's labs are trickling in. Still low WBC, but CRP and Prothrombin time are normal. No stool tests back yet.

Glad I didn't hold my breath for a doc to call about the pathology report. The GI nurse did write to let me know it was back and to find out if I'd spoke with anyone about it yet. The GI department is awesome and I love them to pieces.

If anyone ever calls me maybe I can try to get a better understanding of the pathology report and what it actually means. I'll definitely inquire about a second opinion.

A started Flagyl, Neurontin, and Prilosec today so hopefully we'll see some improvement pretty soon. I'll update should I get a phone call.....
 
Just wanted to say in terms of pediatric rheumatologists we have been to Boston Children's, Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and the Hospital for Special Surgery (in NYC) for second (and third, fourth, fifth) opinions. I was very impressed with both Children's Hospitals - I don't know how they rank for ped rheumatology but the doctors there were fabulous. I know that's quite a trip for you, but if you are thinking of traveling, it might be something to research. I believe Boston Children's at least (and possibly CHOP, can't remember) has a good immunology program which might help with A, since she's so complicated.
 
Still no phone call. Whatever. The biopsy site seems to be healing nicely and that's the most important thing right now. I'm going to disregard the 6 new lumps that appeared on her arms and 2 lumps that appeared on her back overnight. I've lost hope that we'll ever know what they are.

Some more labs came in. Cortisol was normal but IgG is still low. I'm guessing that's related to the protein losing enteropathy but no one seems to be overly concerned about that for the moment. Still no stool test results.

A is having about 6 BMs a day now, not all diarrhea but most contain visible blood. Besides the blood, can having 6 BMs a day be normal? I'm mostly worried about her losing weight but maybe I'm overreacting and it is normal in some people?

She says she feels okay but she is very tired and emotional. Very much like when she first started Prednisone. Could this be from the Mtx? Maybe she isn't being completely truthful about how she feels? She did tell my Mom that she didn't want to tell me that she'd vomited because she was afraid she'd have to go back to the hospital.....
 
I'm so sorry. I wish I could find wise our more poetic words but I can't.
Hang in there mom. Your going great.
 
DanceMom... I am so sorry you are going thru this. I can relate with you with one of my kids. I change Doctors, I have question my self, I got mad with Docs, you name it. No, you are not over reacting. all your worries are valid and understandable. I have learned the following, Doctors have 200 patients, I only have mine. I get the results from the lab and called the Dr. every day until they tell me they got them. Some of our kids don't follow the normal" rules of the diseases. One of my kids Dr told me they still don't know about all the diseases out there, so the only thing he can do for my son is to keep looking and try to give him a better quality of life mean time. Do I like this? NO. I am pretty sure you, like everybody else are doing everything we can to find out what's wrong with our kids, and be able to fix it. Don't feel bad. We may want to have a magic wand and fix everything, but is not always possible. Try to take the biopsies report to a pathologist who has experiences in vasculitis in kids. I know is not an easy task. I really hope you, me and all of us in the same boat, find answers soon.
 
Mehita - Thank you for asking about A! Her BMs seem to have slowed down some, only 3 yesterday. Still visible blood. She says she feels fine but I'm pretty sure that she's being less than truthful. She doesn't want to miss anything at school, church, or dance so she pretends all is well. I admire her determination I suppose.

Her fecal calprotectin results just came back - 461.4 (norm is < 162.9). She had this test last year and her result was 20, even with symptoms. So I know that 461 may not seem huge compared to some of your children but for her I think it is pretty significant. I haven't heard from the GI yet to get his take on it but I'm sure he'll call or email soon.

I realize that I haven't been dealing with all of this very well. I feel on the verge of a breakdown most of the time and that's not okay. The message at church yesterday really spoke to me and I know that I have to give it to God at this point. For those of you that pray, please pray for A's doctors - that they will work together to find answers for her. This has gone on entirely too long.....
 
I think FC is a huge indicator when you have baseline of what is normal for them. Jack's was not exceedingly high either 393 or something close and normal was 90, it led to some further testing for us and found out he has inflammation in the small bowel. We still questioned whether it was high enough to do anything about. Well after 2 Remicade infusions the turn around is unbelievable so maybe it was even worse than what we thought kwim.
Prayers to you both that you get things figured out and she doesn't have to hide symptoms because they wont be there and she can just keep dancing
 
I hope you hear something soon. These kids push through so much. And are they "fine" because they're no worse than yesterday? KWIM?

Like JM said, I would think a higher fecal cal than baseline will trigger some responses from the doctors. What else does a high fecal cal indicate? Crohn's, Celiac... what else?

I'm not familiar with mtx. How long is it supposed to take to kick in?
 
DanceMom our GI said it's not about a certain number with a fc count, it's moderating the tread and going from there. Grace's GI has her do a fc every three months depending on our insurance.

Grace is going on her seventh mtx shot and its not working for her.
 
M's highest fecal cal was also in the 400 hundred range. I didn't think her (first) scopes would show anything, as I was told that with Crohn's it can be in 1000+ range, but her scopes showed granulomas and inflammation and that's how we ended up with a Crohn's diagnosis.
Don't give up hope! Like others have said, hopefully your GI will look at the trend and will be able to find some answers for A.
 
The GI called. He said the FC was considered "mildly elevated" and could be from a number of things. He does think it warrants further investigation so another pill cam is scheduled for this Thursday and scopes for next Thursday (pending insurance approval). A is going to be livid because next weekend is her first competition of the season. She can only have clear liquids both Tuesday and Wednesday because they want to do a 2-day prep because of how she's already feeling. How we can start a prep when she'll be in an MRI machine is yet to be determined....lol.

Hopefully these upcoming tests will provide definite answers. If Crohn's is found GI said he will probably want Remicade. If vasculitis is found Rheumo will have another medication in mind (not sure which one). Either way she will probably end up on Prednisone as a quick fix because it worked so well last time. I will ask about EEN if A is interested. Not sure if that is helpful for vasculitis though.
 
I hope you get answers soon. You've got one tough girlie there who is going to move mountains some day.
 
Pill cam has been swallowed! She ended up vomiting less than an hour later but the pill cam did not come up. Guess it had already made its way to the small bowel? Think the images will detect the vomiting or what caused it? This has been an ongoing issue for the last few weeks.....
 
I hope a clear reason shows up this time.
You both have been through so much.
Hugs A for us and tell her theirs a forum thinking of her.
 
She's had 5 BMs and still no camera. I expect it any time now. She's very upset though and says her mouth tastes like poop. Brushing her teeth didn't help.
 
First time 3hr 15min, 2nd time was 21hrs I believe. The second time she wasn't having any GI symptoms though. It has been 12hrs and counting. ....
 
Took DS almost 50 plus hours to pass his .

Good luck on the results
Did she have her scope yet ?
Or is that Friday ?
 
MLP- Was he having BMs during that time? I think that the other 2 times hers passed on the second BM. I'm not concerned. We just have to be 100% sure it passes before the MRI.

Her scopes are next Thursday.
 
Up to 6 BMs now, no camera. Maybe she was FOS and it is slowly making its way down?

Bad news - my little one has a tummy bug! Up all night with cramps and diarrhea. She is now quarantined to her bedroom/bathroom so that hopefully A won't get it!
 
7 BMs and still no camera. So now we are headed to a Chinese New Year party with a hat and popsicle sticks. I wish this stupid thing would come out already!

On a positive note, my little one is feeling better.
 
MRI/MRA is complete! Well, minus the MRA of the abdomen that the insurance didn't approve. ....

A did well. They had issues getting a vein and quickly called in someone who was good with tricky veins. This has never been an issue before but I think she may be a tad dehydrated. We're having a difficult time getting her to drink, even though that's all she's been allowed today. Two days of clear liquids and prep before her scope on Thursday. I was glad we didn't sedate her for the MRI. She watched her movie and did fine. I'm hoping the GI will give us some feedback on Thursday.
 
Glad the MRI went well. Was thinking of you last week when we had to be in Orlando for my other daughters appt at the new Walt Disney world pavilion at Florida hospital. It was freezing I couldn't believe how cold it was up there. We have to go back next month for a follow up I hope it will be a lot warmer!
 
Scopes are over and we are home resting. The GI met with us at length after the procedure and explained some things. First of all, he reviewed the pill cam images earlier in the week but wanted to study them more in depth this afternoon. He saw an ulcer in her stomach and multiple patches of ulcers in her small intestine. He noted that they were not crater like or bloody in appearance but he wasn't pleased they were there now because they definitely weren't there in November. Unfortunately the part of the small intestine where they are located couldn't be reached with the scope. Doesn't that just figure? Her colon appeared normal. MRI results were not in yet but he was going to try to rush those along. He is going to consult with CHOP and possibly some others and he and the Rheumo will make some definite decisions next week. GI is thinking Remicade may be more helpful for her but wants more opinions on that. Oh, and she still has a fissure though it doesn't seem to be bothering her.

Don't want to jump the gun but it looks like we may be talking Crohn's again. I'll take that over systemic vasculitis any day! I'm hoping the MRI makes things a little more clear.

Funny story. ...A was ridiculously loopy in recovery. She thought the GI was Olaf (from Frozen) and he totally played along. As he was discussing the fissure she thought he said "fisherman"and became quite concerned that there was a fisherman inside her. He reassured her it was small and that he wasn't fishing at the moment. Then, she refused to answer any of the nurses questions because she thought they were spies. They weren't quite as amused as the GI, lol. She was hilarious!

Oh, and A has her first dance competition of the season this weekend. She is so excited! With all she's been through lately I'm so proud she's continued to work so hard. She's my hero!
 
So good to hear that A has come through okay…spies, fisherman and all! :lol: What a champion! :)

I so hope you get the solid answers you need DanceMom. It goes without saying that you would wish you didn’t find yourself needing to find answers but the battle will swing in your favour when you know who your enemy is. :ghug:

Sending mega loads of luck and well wishes that A has a fab competition! It surely isn’t hard to see why she is your hero! Onwards and Upwards A! :goodluck:

Dusty. xxx
 
A is hilarious and such a trooper!What a brave girl you have!
Glad things went well. We've been to CHOP and were very impressed so hopefully they will have some answers for you.
 
Well thank goodness the anesthesia went better than last time! Praying for some good solid answers for you guys and a clear plan. Good luck at the competition!
 
I've had some time to sit and think and I have a few questions for you all. Please share your knowledge and experiences!!

1. Besides dehydration, are there any other reasons that A's veins would suddenly become difficult to access? She's always been an easy stick until this week.

2. For those of you whose kiddos had abnormal pill cam images or scopes (visually) what was seen? I was told A had small patches of white ulcers but apparently that doesn't necessarily indicate Crohn's.

3. I'm glad that her fissure isn't bothering her, but shouldn't the Mtx be healing it? What are the dangers of an untreated (or undertreated) fissure?
 
1. I think in A’s case it was likely dehydration, that is usually the biggest culprit when no other obvious causes are apparent, as in, chemotherapy, certain drugs, multiple and long term need to access, shock, drug addict. Another thing that can play a part is the temperature, if you are cold it is harder to access veins.

2. For Matt it was the typical apthous ulcer and inflammation seen during scope. Ultrasound showed thickening at the TI. CTE showed enhancement at the TI that was consistent with inflammation.

3. How long has A been on Methotrexate?
As you can imagine a fissure can take some time to heal due to their very location and the action of opening your bowels. Any degree of constipation and/or diarrhoea continues to put pressure on the area and so either opens the tear or prevents it from healing quickly.
If the Methotrexate is working the above may be why it is taking some time. Are you using anything else topically to treat it?
If the Methotrexate isn’t working then continued inflammation and tearing could expose the wound to further breakdown and it may have the potential to turn into a fistula but that would not be a usual outcome. An untreated/undertreated fissure generally means chronic pain and persistent symptoms.

Dusty. xxx
 
Sounds like you are getting somewhere at last. Veins are tricky things, Maybe she was cold. I know my son struggled with bloods when he felt cold to the touch. Now he keeps his jumper on until just before!
Visually my son had multiple small white ulcers in his stomach and bowel (can't remember exactly where). That was all that they saw.
Hope the MRI results are quick to come back
 
I'm glad the scope went well and she really is quite the trooper!! :D I hope you do get some firm answers soon!

Just re the fissure, S had some problems with this early on, he found using penaten and epsom sitz baths helped.
 
Just yesterday, DS's veins kept disappearing when they were trying to put his Remicade IV in. It took us a minute to realize he was holding his breath which apparently makes your veins go poof.
 
Thank you for the replies! Pretty sure being cold wasn't the reason they had trouble getting a vein. She was under a warmed blanket both times. Definitely wasn't holding her breath because she had laughing gas. Must be dehydrated. I've been pushing fluids all weekend but unfortunately the diarrhea seems to be getting worse.

Her bottom has been irritated since the scope but she says the Butt Paste helps. I just don't think the mtx is helping at all. Definitely some decisions to be made soon.

On a very positive note A did amazing at her competition today. Her group dance even won 1st overall, beating out some very tough studios. She was thrilled! Her next competition is in two weeks so I'm hoping things have turned around a bit by then. She deserves a break.
 
Well done A and team! :dusty::dusty::dusty:

Sending you love and healing thoughts that A is soon feeling better, bless her, she is such a fighter. :ghug:

Dusty. xxx
 
MLP the GI mentioned that briefly but felt that the protein losing enteropathy was not severe enough. Also the lack of edema. Then again she doesn't fit into any box very neatly. ....
 
Got the MRI/MRA results.....I'm confused.

First of all, it doesn't mention anything about the stomach, small bowel, or colon. Other things are listed as normal - liver, spleen, pancreas, etc. It does say that she had a small amount of non-specific free pelvic fluid. Her previous MRE did not show this. Maybe normal?

Then, it states "Intermittently noticed median arcuate ligament type of anatomy. May well be within normal limits. Please correlate clinically." Okay.....

And this, "May-Thurner type anatomy with partial effacement of the central left common
iliac vein by the right common iliac artery without thrombus, probably within
normal limits."

So the MRI doesn't seem to have picked up on any small bowel inflammation yet ulcers were seen on the pill cam. What the heck?!? Just when I think we're getting somewhere.....
 
I am just about to head to work DanceMom but wanted to quickly comment on the free fluid…

Sarah had free pelvic fluid. I asked why it was there and it was put down to a likely burst ovarian follicle. It wasn’t, it was actually pus in her case.

Matt also had free fluid, not pelvic, his was located higher in his abdomen. They could not explain it as it is rare in males. A follow up ultrasound a couple of days later showed it was resolving but he also received his probable Crohn’s diagnosis at this time too.

Dusty. xxx
 
A continues to have burning/numbness in her legs but it isn't just the left leg. I'm still not sure what's causing the leg issues but I'm hoping it isn't anything major.
 
GI nurse just emailed to tell me the MRI/MRA results are still pending. Somehow they are posted to our online account....? Maybe I'll hear more about that later.

A finished her Flagyl last week and the bloody diarrhea is back full force. Flagyl seems to help her (she doesn't have c diff) but can it be taken long term? I fear that she's going to be dehydrated again if this doesn't slow down. She went 6 times yesterday, each time was explosive and watery. I'm pushing fluids but the more she takes in the more that comes right back out. Any suggestions?
 
I think Flagyl can be taken fairly long term so long as there are no side effects. My son was on it for about 5 months with no problems.
Sorry to hear the diarrhea is back, the fluid intake is really important, it's just a pity it comes back out. Hope you get the official report soon
 
Oh DanceMom :ghug: I hope the diarrhoea settles and you soon have answers.

Matt was on Flagyl for 6 months with no issues.

:hang:

Dusty. xxx
 
Just got back from the walk-in clinic. A had a UA with TNTC WBC and RBC. They sent off for a culture but I'm sure she has a UTI. Poor thing! She has a low grade fever and has to wear a pad because she's leaking blood. Starting Septra this afternoon.
 
Oh no DanceMom, your poor girl! :ghug:

I hope the meds are sensitive to the infection and A is soon feeling better. Sending squishy hugs her way. :heart:

Dusty. xxx
 
I called the on-call GI to make sure he agreed with the treatment plan. He said Septra should not be taken with mtx. He's sending us to the ER for further testing to decide the best medication for her.
 
:(:(:(

Thank goodness you called!

Good luck Mum, I hope they can find something suitable and you are soon home again. :ghug:

Dusty. xxx
 
We were at the ER for about 5 hours. They ran some labs which were definitely off (high WBC, high MCHC, high MPV, high bilirubin, high TCO2). Her UA showed high RBC and WBC. They were able to spin the urine and thought they detected bacteria. They gave IV antibiotics and fluids and then observed her to make sure she didn't have an allergic reaction. We have to go get labs done this morning to make sure her numbers are headed in the right direction. She's still in a lot of pain and her urine is still brown. I guess these things take time to clear up.
 
Good Luck DanceMom. :ghug: I hope A’s labs show that things are headed in the right direction. Bless her :heart:

Dusty. xxx
 
As if things weren't bad enough she now has extreme stomach pain and has been vomiting since 3AM. Giving it 30 more minutes and trying one more time to keep something down before contacting the GI. This is just so unfair.
 
Still in the ER on her third bag of fluids. Vomiting has stopped for now but still awful diarrhea. Just had Tylenol for a fever. I guess they are thinking it is a virus. Go figure.
 
She's been admitted. This diarrhea is awful - every 15 minutes or so. Morphine is keeping her comfortable. Hopefully our GI will come by tomorrow because our follow-up was scheduled for tomorrow afternoon.
 
Any chance she could have cdiff? My daughter had really bad diarrhea like that when she had cdiff.
 
Thinking of you both DanceMom and sending hugs and healing thoughts your way. :ghug:

Dusty. xxx
 
A is doing much better. Still having watery diarrhea every hour or so but they have been pushing her to constantly drink fluids. The plan is to discharge her in a few hours so she can keep her GI appointment downstairs.
 
Glad she is feeling better but not clear why she'd need to be discharged to get to the apt.
Did they figure out a cause?
 
This is our follow-up from all the testing in the last few weeks. We were hoping to get a definite diagnosis one way or the other. The on-call GI rounded but wouldn't give us much info.

She's started feeling poorly again and refusing to drink. Going to try some Tylenol.
 
Really? They don't want to just keep her admitted? Our Gi is downstairs at our hospital also and either he come sup or the kids are wheeled down. Either way no discharge until they are absolutely sure the child can go home. Good luck!
 
Being in the hospital is no fun but getting discharged and then having to come back is worse. Did they figure out why she had blood and wbc in her urine? Was it a UTI? What do they think the diarrhea is from? as above, wondering about cdiff, which can come on quickly after antibiotics.

Sending Hugs!
 
She had a definite UTI and they believe that now she has a virus. Discharge is on hold for now. She's decided to eat some crackers but still won't drink. Hopefully her GI will come up later to talk about things and where we go from here.
 
In healthy children who have vomiting/diarrhea, viral gastroenteritis is most common. But given your daughter's history, I'd want them to consider other possibilities (med reaction, cdiff) if it's not clearing up quickly. Any close contacts with a gi bug? DId you ask if they could bring her down to the apt as an inpatient?
 
They are running stool cultures but they aren't back yet. I'm not sure I buy the virus theory because no one we know has a stomach bug. But they say because she's immune suppressed she's more susceptible to these things. I still think all of this is tied to some chronic illness which is still a mystery at this point. As the appointment time draws nearer I'll ask if he's coming up or if we can go down.
 
I believe the cdiff test is a rapid PCR test- and must be requested specifically-- not just stool culture but of course your GI will know.
 
I'm not sure what exactly they ordered. Just got a notification that the provider cancelled her appointment. Hopefully he'll still come by. I feel like we're starting to go in circles......
 
If they are trying to rule out c. diff. you will most likely be quarantined until the results come back and definitely will not be welcome in a G.I. office.

I tend to agree with your take on things but she did go to the ER and who knows what potential bug she picked up there.

Big hugs from CT:ghug:
 
We got cdiff results the same day - a couple hours later in fact. Doesn't hurt to ask for it if they haven't done it.
Good luck!
 
I always feel like things should go faster when you are in the hospital, but it's so frustrating to sit & wait for something to happen! Hang in there! Praying for quick results for you and your sweet girl!
 
Maya,
That is quick our hospital always took at least 24 hours to give us Cdiff results. I hope she is feeling better. Any news?
 
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