Remicade, remission, and Symptomatic?

Crohn's Disease Forum

Help Support Crohn's Disease Forum:

Joined
Jul 19, 2012
Messages
14
Hi all -- I haven't posted in quite a while. My son is 14 and was diagnosed with Crohn's when he was 8. He's been on Remicade since diagnosis. It's always been very effective for him - little flares every now and again, but the crohn's has largely been under control. However, this school year has not gone well. My son is c/o belly pain and has diarrhea quite frequently. Had his GI doctor check things out, and his Remicade level is therapeutic, labs were pretty OK. He did not do a colonoscopy, and has said he won't do one until 2015 barring any unforseen complications.

The doctor thinks this pain and frequent diarrhea is actually not Crohn's, but is being caused by scar tissue in his rectum. The doc gave me a long, complicated explanation, but I guess the bottom line is that he believes, based on the timing of symptoms (always seems to happen in the a.m.'s), he believes the damaged tissue is sending signals up the GI system and causing the overactive diarrhea. He recommended a rectal medication, which my son finally agreed to try after six months of suffering. This medication seemed to help for the first week, but not so much after that.

Additionally, he's c/o of being tired/exhausted all the time. He's had a pretty bad rash (for lack of a better word - it's worse than a "rash") behind his ear. The GI doc looked at that several months ago when my son was there for his remicade, then had the infectious disease doctor look at it as well. The ID doctor recommended a steroidal cream which helps, but the rash (?) comes back when the med is stopped.

I've noticed in the last few days my son's cheeks are flaming red. No fever. Just red and inflamed, and the "rash" from his ear seems to be spreading to his cheek. Is it some kind of psoriasis? I don't know - the ID doctor never said what it was (to me), nor did the GI doc, and apparently the GI doc didn't document it in his chart.

He's had an incident of alopecia areata in the past, and his scalp is getting super crusty/flaky in spots again. No hair loss that I can see at this point, but this is kind of how the alopecia started 3 years ago or so.

So ... I guess my question is ... these external symptoms (the rash, the cheeks, the scalp) all seem to be related, what kind of doctor should I take him to? Dermatologist? Infectious disease? Pediatrician (not holding out a lot of hope that the ped would be much help, really). I am questioning whether he has some other autoimmune process at work here, in addition to the crohn's. ???

I'll be very insistent with the GI doc at the next Remicade visit about getting these diarrhea episodes under control because at this point my son is missing school EVERY WEEK because of them. His teachers are calling me, concerned he won't be able to finish the year successfully, he's behind, may not be able to get caught up, etc. I'm trying to impress upon them that when he's having these episodes it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to be at school - he's on the toilet sometimes for hours, in pain, suffering (I hear it and smell it from the other side of the bathroom door).

This is rambling and long. Sorry. I've probably left things out or not explained it very well - I'm frustrated that he's considered in remission but he still suffers with these other symptoms that have gone uncontrolled all year. Thanks for listening.
 
You could get a fecal calprotectin stool test done. It is non-invasive and would show if there is any inflammation in the GI tract. I've read posts from other members with active CD that have stated their bms are more frequent in the morning.

Does your son have a 504 plan? That would allow for home bound teachers and such when he is absent frequently as well as extra time for work completion and such.

I'm so sorry he is still dealing with symptoms, I do hope you find answers quickly!
 
I can't imagine anything more frustrating that seeing your son suffer and not having the doctors respond!!! So sorry you and your son are dealing with all this!

To me, it doesn't sound like your son is in remission (but this is only my opinion!!). From what I've learned here, very often lab results do not reflect active crohns activity (ie inflammation). If he's fatigued, it could be that there is in inflammation in his small intestine and that he's not absorbing all his nutrients. Has he lost any weight? How is his HGB?

If the GI won't do scopes, which wouldn't show the small intestine anyway, ask if you can do an MRE. This will give a picture of how his small intestine is... any narrowing (which could be causing pain), any inflammation, etc. In the meantime, try addiing some enteral nutrition shakes to give your son some added nutrition - elemental or semi-elemental are best as they require the least amount of small intestine to absorb the nutrition (peptamin or peptamin 1.5 are one type) or even just nutritional shakes would help (ie Boost, Ensure).

Have no experience with this but, again from what I've read here, it sounds like you might be describing remicade-induced psoriasis. I'm going to tag Crohnsinct because I know her daughter has dealt with this... As far as type of doctor, for this I would suggest you try a dermatologist first???

I hope some of this helps???

I would also be insistent at your next appointment!! If your son has not been having these issues for years now, then obviously something has changed! :ghug:
 
We've found our dermatologist to be VERY helpful. In fact, she provided info (biopsy of erythema nodosum) that led to the CD diagnosis for A. A tends to be a "rashy child" as well, and our dermatologist always seems to know exactly what it is and how best to treat it.
 
Wanted to also tag crohnsinconnecticut as her daughter's psoriasis was exacerbated by remicade. Her daughter had psoriasis before Remi though but Remi van cause.psoriasis.
 
You want dermo
My son had the same issues
Cheeks
Scalp
Ears
All from remicade
We found a good adult dermo who was used to treating crohn's patients so she knew what to do.
We were given a whole lot of creams including steriods.
In the end DS had to stop remicade due to a more severe allergic reaction.
Once the drug was stopped the rashes stopped as well.
Wishing we were still on it at the moment ...,
And only had rashes to deal with
 
Sounds like you are getting some good advice on who to talk to about the Rash. I cant help but think it is part of his flare. My nephew is not on any meds and his whole body breaks out in a rash when he is flaring.

Also, is your son signed up for the 504 plan at school?
 
Late to the party but also agree about the 504 and if he does currently have one, maybe an update. We just had to do this with my son's to add timeline for late/missed work. He has until finals week to turn in all late/missing work.
Agree with the dermatologist about psoriasis and getting a FC test done to check for inflammation.
 
Hi there. Sorry to hear your son isn't feeling well. I ditto what Clash said about the fecal cal test. Simple nonenvasive and pretty darn good at detecting intestinal inflammation.

MY daughter has been on Remicade for 15 months now. She was at therapeutiv levels and still having symptoms at some point last year. We had to add another treament. So just because your son is at therapeutic levels does not mean that he can't be having symptoms. I would certainly call his GI and let them know how bad it is and that it is continuing despite using the rectal medication.

Rash - yes, my daughter had a very small patch of psoriasis around her eyes pre Remicade. Remicade is used to treat psoriasis but in a small population they have a paradoxical response and Remicade either causes it or causes a very mild form to become severe. You should see a derm. But beware. Not a lot of them know about this. We were seeing a derm who was treating my daughter for infected eczema (because the rash sometimes was weeping). That wasn't it at all. GI sent us to ped derm at his hospital and sure enough Remicade induced psoriasis. Same places as your son and that btw is pretty typical presentation. Behind ears, scalp, face, underarms, genitals. My daughter has an awful case of it in her scalp and is losing bunches of hair because of it. Not much you can do. Steroid creams for a bit but as soon as you stop comes back with a vengence. My daughter is now on Methotrexate for the psoriasis. It cleared up her face pretty well but ear, scalp and genitals still pretty bad. Psoriasis is auto immune so it would make sense that as his cd seems to be flaring the psoriasis is also.

Is the rash on the face just red or is it flaky as well? The reason I ask is I read about a butterfly rash on the face over the nose and on the cheeks that is a symptom of Remicade induced Lupus (which is VERY rare - they say). It is just red no flakes. Flakes would point more toward psoriasis. But rash with fatigue may get GI's attention as far as a possible Lupus reaction might go or just plain flaring. Don't want you to freak out though. Since he is having such bad diarhrea the fatigue is probably from that. And since he has a rash elsewhere the face rash is probably related to that.

Good Luck keep us posted.
 
I agree with dermatologist. They'll know what the rash is or will do tests to find out. Ours even takes pictures to keep on file.
Our son had a rash in 2 places, GI worried it was psoriasis from Humira. Dermatologist determined it wasn't. They ran a culture and one was staph infection and they helped us get rid of it fast. The other was just a skin rash but not psoriasis-maybe due to allergies, It does still come and go so I stay on top of it. Today I'm changing my detergent.
 
I would follow up with a dermatologist, my son also has issues with psoriasis and the skin issues sound like that to me, whether remicade induced or not, I think it's also common with Crohn's. With respect to the new pain and diarhea, it could be he's building antibodies to remicade so maybe suggest that your GI do a simple blood test to check.
 
Hi RAISINGMI

So sorry to hear about everything your son is going through. I also agree with the others that a dermatologist should have a look at the rash.

As for the flushing cheeks, fatigue and abdo pain we are battling that here as well and we have also been told that our son's Crohn's is under control. Our son's blood work comes back normal and so does his fecal calprotectin tests (2 have come back normal and one came back only slightly elevated). My son is also missing a tremendous amount of school because of how he feels. I don't know what the answer is but wanted let you know that you are not the only one going through this. It is a horrible place to be to have doctors telling you that the disease is being controlled but the symptoms you see are out of control. We keep getting referrals to psychology which just makes me MAD.

:hang: and let us know how things go.
 
WOW, thank you all! I'm overwhelmed with the responses, and I appreciate them. After I posted this morning, my son called and said he needed to come home from school. ARGH.

I'll respond in more detail later - need to run some errands. But quickly, no he's not on a 504 plan (yet) but I'm beginning to think it would be a good idea. I'll talk to his counselor about it. And I'll start looking for a dermatologist. He saw one a few years ago when his hair was falling out, but I didn't think she was very helpful or interested.

Thanks again! I'll re-read everything later tonight. It's good to know that others have experienced the same things (including the missing school). My son has one teacher who clearly understands, because she has Crohn's as well, and the others ... not so much. I'll be glad when this school year is done, for better or worse. :ymad:
 
Not something I have dealt with. Just wanted to wish you luck getting someone to listen and get something done.
 
Here's a link to the CCFA website and their template for a 504 plan. Many of us have used this (modifying it to individual children's needs, leaning towards "worse case scenarios" for putting accommodations in place). Feel free to ask questions - lots of good experiences here!!

http://www.ccfa.org/resources/template-section-504-plan.html

Might be worthwhile going through it and having it ready when you ask to meet. Pending your Administrators, everyone is nice and friendly until you bring the law into it... BUT once you have a 504 in place they MUST act...

Most (US) districts also have Home & Hospital Programs that are worth looking into, IF you and your son would feel more comfortable taking a break from the classroom and having invidualized teaching - less pressure on him to finish by a certain time... (My son has been this program for a couple of years now.)

Good luck! Sorry he wasn't feeling well today.

:ghug:
 
Agree with the 504, we put one in place this past fall and it was such a relief to have the safety net, haven't needed it yet, but wanted to be prepared before my son starts middle school. In the meantime of seeing a dermatologist, we use Neutrogena T-Sal to help with the scalp crud without a horrific smell. We use a mild prescription steroid for the skin patches, but you could try otc cortizone. Hope he feels better soon!
 
Thank you - great advice everyone, I'm so glad I posted my (long) list of concerns. Sometimes I forget that I'm not alone too!:ghug:
 

Latest posts

Back
Top