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These slow authorizations/transfers/justifications/stories of general bureaucracy are the only things that really put me off the idea of universal healthcare. I think we desperately need it in the US, but man, if I had to put up with even more red tape than I do now with my two kids I'd be homicidal.
 
Thanks everyone! (And thanks Dusty re the Flagyl... never had a chance to reply to your post above! :))

It's been a bit crazy here :eek: Dad's back in the hospital and must amputate his toe. They did an MRI to see the extent of blockage (oh..., infection in the bone no longer the issue, it's now lack of circulation). I'm not sure if the results of the MRI can affect the decision for the surgery??? Specialist should be meeting with my parents today to discuss. But, my dad is in great spirits! While I'm sure he's not happy about this outcome, he also doesn't not seem too concerned about losing a toe! :) The dementia/alzeimers diagnosis seems to be in question now as his regular GP is adamant that it is wrong and was made based on delirium caused by the infection... whatever... not an issue now! :)

Still waiting for Stephen's apptmt on Dec. 11... he had D yesterday and Sunday :confused: Hoping it's simply something he ate!! You know I'm a really distracted IBD mom when I completely forgot to ask him how things were last night/this morning! :eek:

My surgery for my fibroid is Jan. 17. After 6 weeks on supplements, iron is still 5, HGB 84. Specialist said it will be almost impossible for me to get it up until the fibroid is removed. However, am supposed to keep up with the supplements to try to, at least, maintain this level! Had to sign off that I would accept a transfusion during the surgery as she's concerned it may be necessary (will transfuse if HGB reaches 60). So, am being a good girl, taking my 3 supplements, eating oatmeal (providing 50% daily requirement) WITH a tablespoon of blackstrap molasses (more iron!) and berries (vit. C to help absorb) EVERYDAY! :puke_r: Are we sure merlot doesn't provide you with iron!?!?!?

So... have been trying to jump in and out here but, really, that's all I've been able to do... feel bad that I haven't been able to keep up with most of the posts so I hope I haven't missed anything important and that everyone's keeping well (or, at least, stable!). Thinking of you guys!!! :heart: And, thanks for thinking of me! :ghug:
 
I'm sorry about you dad's toe. I hope he recovers quickly.
I Hope boy was naughty and ate a no-no food.
I hope the surgery brings you some relief, it did for me.
 
oh Tess sorry to hear about your Dad wishing him a swift recovery. Also sorry to hear about the fibroids they are not fun. Hopefully Stephen just are something. keeping my fingers crossed. Now I am thinking what to bring to the party!
 
Just made a new pizza dip I think it turned out pretty well as it was gone within about 10 minutes. They said the only problem with it is it there needs to be a bigger pan of it. Farmwife you sure are making me hungry! and it is only 9:30 here.
Tesscorm - Wishing you all a speedy recovery! Hugs :ghug::ghug:
 
Oh man Tess...:hug::hug::hug:...hugs and healing thoughts all round for you guys!

I hope your Dad is okay and all goes well with his op and continued treatment. :heart:

I hope things have settled for Stephen! Roll on December 11! :heart:

And last but by no means least...I hope you are able to keep everything stable in the lead up to your surgery hun. :goodluck: With all you have going on you truly are a superwoman! :medal1:

Thinking of you and yours and sending loads and loads of love and luck your way.

Dusty. :Karl:
 
No operation for my dad yet! He's home AGAIN! Hopefully, this is a more 'controlled' discharge... he's home with IV antibiotics for 4 weeks (a nurse will be by every 8 hours, for 4 weeks, to adjust meds!! :eek:) Becoming quite complicated... the surgery will be high-risk so they are avoiding surgery due to his blockages/circulation/diabetes, tip of toe is gangrene so surgery MUST be done, rest of toe is pre-gangrene so I think they are trying to determine how much of the toe needs to be amputated so they only need to operate once. I think the 4 week antibiotic schedule is to fight any infection while giving the toe time to heal or not heal.

Haven't spoken with the doctor directly as, while my dad was in the hospital, the doctor would just stop by at any time... unfortunately, I can't just take time off work and wait a day or two for the doctor to stop by! And we know what it's like trying to reach a specialist!?!? :ymad: But, I plan on trying to call anyway...

Still think the whole process is messed up... his discharge instructions say follow up appointment 'as necessary otherwise in 4 weeks'! :ywow: What determines 'necessary' if his current situation doesn't? I was going to suggest a second opinion but my mom's exhausted and my dad's spirits are beginning to fade and he's weak, tired to be going in and out (especially now that he's got a nurse coming every 8 hours)! Guess all we can do is watch and see how things go. His GPs been great, stopped by last night, is going to stop by again tonight... so that's a bit of reassurance!

Otherwise, Stephen's fine and I'm fine, just tired! I think I'm finally beginning to run on fumes only! Soooo glad it's Friday!
 
Been there, done that, on the whole "the situation right NOW doesn't constitute necessity???!!" :-(

Keep on them.
 
That is so much to be going through with your Dad. I know you must be entirely worn out from his latest hospital stay.

Great news that Stephen is feeling fine! I have had both of you on my mind lately. Thanks for the update, sending hugs and support your way!
 
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Thanks for the update Tess...:hug:

So good to hear your Dad is home, at least now he will be able to get some decent sleep and rest. I hope the antibiotics are able to halt and improve the situation with his toe. Do they also have him on Clexane (blood thinning) injections to help improve blood flow to the area?

The GP or nurse will know if a "necessary" pops up but also from your point of view you can gauge from what you observe now. If you are talking purely in terms of his toe then no change or improvement will mean he can wait out the 4 weeks.

Just speaking generally I know this waiting can seem unnecessary but sometimes it can produce very positive outcomes in cases like your Father's by eliminating or greatly reducing the surgery required. The same can be said for some people with IBD. I was one of those that waited 3 months for surgery with Matt. It was bloody hard but the outcome was worth it. :)

:hang: Tess, you are doing FAB!!!

Dusty. xxx
 
Glad to hear that you rdad is home and hoping that things slow down a bit for you, girl!! Our doc took Izz off the Flagyl that was prescribed when her GP thought she had c diff...she hasn't been on it since. It made her nauseated, though, and keeping up with TID dosing of liquid nasty is something I'd rather not revisit. It didn't do a thing for her, either.
 
Dusty - my dad is taking a blood thinner. And, yes, I do understand that they are hoping to minimize the surgery and, perhaps, reduce the risk by treating any infection. His GP is being great... he is worried about the gangrene in his toe spreading, so has offered to come by every day this week to check on his foot. This is a huge relief for my mom - knowing she's got a doctor's eyes on it! So far, he's stable! :)

Stephen's fine... those two days of D have passed! :D - so, hopefully, it was just something he ate?? His apptmt is next week!!! :applause: I'll be happy to clarify some of the questions... does the GI still think remicade is necessary given that his Oct labs were much better than July's and then the November labs were again better than October's. True, labs don't always show the full picture but as Stephen's labs DID reflect his disease at diagnosis and the fact that the improvements are 'across the board' (CRP, liver enzymes, WBC, etc. Only exception being ESR.), I'd really like to get the GIs opinion as to why remicade would be necessary now. I'm wondering if the MRI results indicate stricturing/tightening due to scar tissue but that inflammation activity is less? If yes, the remicade won't fix the scarring, so perhaps there is a window of opportunity to treat the inflammation with, possibly, entocort? and maintain with LDN?? IDK... lots of questions to ask! :ywow: But, in any case... he's feeling good now! :)

Thanks Angie... I am going to ask his GI what he thinks about using Flagyl to reduce inflammation. My only experience with it was the week following diagnosis when Stephen was inpatient - as far as I know it was his only treatment that first week... but, perhaps, an oral form wouldn't be as effective (he didn't continue with it in any forme, once he left the hospital). Another IDK :)
 
Glad to hear re: your dad's stability.

I was told IV and oral versions of Flagyl are comparable in effectiveness. (I had a SUPER hard time getting her to take/keep down the liquid version 3 x a day...it was gross-I tasted it). I actually inquired re: the IV version.
 
OMG, even though Stephen's 18, I'd probably have just as hard a time getting him to take it if it tastes that bad! I'd have to give it to him through the NG tube! :eek: :lol:

But, really, Flagyl may not even be appropriate in this circumstance???... It was just something that crossed my mind when I was looking at Stephen's past results and realized what a huge improvement he'd had in the week he was in the hospital (CRP went from 136 to 3.6) And, as it was pre-EN, I'm assuming the improvement had to have come from the Flagyl??? But, for all I knew back then, maybe there was some other medication??? I just don't remember anything else - I know steroids weren't used and he's allergic to cipro. Oh well... we'll see what the GI says :)
 
When Nico was given Flagyl (because I did not want him to take any more prednisone and the doc thought that he was flaring) several years ago, he had enormous improvement. It was given to him in pill form twice a day. The main problem was that it made him nauseous, so he cut it down to half a tab twice a day and then I think he cut down to once a day, not positive, but I know it was a tiny dose. He did this for several months but then his doc decided to take him off of it. As a matter of fact Nico asked me the other day if he could start taking Flagyl again as it made his stomach the best it has been since this all started! I think the biggest worry are the possible neurological side effects (and creating resistant bacteria). I know this doesn't give you any answers, but a part of me believes that a skewed intestinal microbiom is at play somewhere in this desease, and so maybe an antibiotic does make sense. I'm glad your appointment is coming up soon and you can get some answers!! It sounds like your dad is getting really good care, and watched carefully....hopefully that brings a little peace during such a difficult situation. Best of luck.
 
It just sucks that every treatment plan you consider always has some concern associated with it!! As you said, Flagyl and neurological issues! :ybatty: I'm hoping we can come out of the apptmt with a plan that will work and that I feel comfortable with (of course, at the end of the day, my 'comfort' is NOT the issue but... it would be nice if the comfort was there ;)).
 
Wow, you have been going through alot! I'm glad Stephen is feeling good and the D has gone! We have an appointment on Wednesday and I'm sure the meds question will rear it's ugly head. Have to say I would be happy for Andrew to just take Flagyl - he took it for 3 months and had no side effects.
Sorry to hear about your dad's toe, I can imagine just how fed up he is with it all (and how worrying it is). My mom is still in hospital with no treatment plan and unable to walk. Can't get 2nd opinion appt till 13th December.
I hope the antibiotics get rid of alot of the infection for your dad so his op is as safe as possible.
 
Sascot - when I catch up on your posts, I feel like we're living parallel lives! :ywow: you've certainly got your hands full too :ghug:

Good luck on Wednesday - I hope you can come out of it with a treatment plan you're comfortable with! :hug:
 
Hugs to both of you Tess and Sascot! It's hard enough to deal with the changes that go on with our kids. Adding in other problems and it quickly turns into something that can feel out of control. I hope you get some resolution soon!
 
I'm wondering if the MRI results indicate stricturing/tightening due to scar tissue but that inflammation activity is less? If yes, the remicade won't fix the scarring, so perhaps there is a window of opportunity to treat the inflammation with, possibly, entocort?

I think your questions are very valid ones Tess. :) The improved bloods may well mean less inflammation and revised plan.

Just throwing it out there...improved bloods may also mean that it is primarily scar tissue that is present.

Thinking of you! :hug:

Dusty. xxx
 
Wish me luck! - have Stephen's GI apptmt this afternoon. Hopefully, he will have the review of the three MREs but, regardless, we will be discussing/deciding on a treatment plan. (Hoping for the best news - inflammation down, LDN a go, no concerns, no worries! :lol: But... I just know my bubble is about to burst :ack:). Will update later...

My dad is going to have surgery tomorrow to amputate part of his toe... this does not seem to be too worrying to the doctor, however, his concern is that the wound may not heal due to his other health issues. If this is the case, he will have to undergo a much more serious surgery. Hopefully, it won't come to that. Just an interesting aside, he's had a nurse visiting everyday re his IV meds, a couple of days ago, she said she'd spoken to an infectious disease doctor and that she was going to submit a recommendation that this ID doctor see my dad. It's seemed really rushed - suddenly she's spoken to the ID doctor, dad's GP has sent the referral and the ID doctor will see him at the hospital tomorrow before the surgery?!?!? My mom didn't ask specific questions although, as far as she's concerned, having one more doctor's opinion is always good... just found out about this last night and found it strange???

Lots of twists and turns on this rollercoaster! :yfaint:
 
Good Luck today Tess!!!!


:goodluck:


I am interested to hear what the Dr. thinks about the improved labs and scar tissue vs. inflammation.

Hope all goes well and you get some clarity today :)
 
Wishing you nothing but the best of luck and love on the appointment today ! ❤

I find it odd that your dad hasn't had a consult with an ID doc already considering what's happening 😳
I hope all goes well with the surgery tho and there's no further complications.
 
ACK! Trying to stay off forum until I get something done for Christmas and got on late (yeah no still nothing done) to wish you luck. Ugh! I am late. You arte probably in there...quick conference us in so we can all ask our questions and give out take on the situation.

Wow! Dad;s surgery moved fast. I am guessing this is good news that the other issue cleared!?
 
Just want to wish you luck with your appointment today!!! I hope everything goes as you want it to!!!!:goodluck:
 
Sending loads and loads and loads of luck and well wishes for the appointment today Tess!

:goodluck::goodluck::goodluck:

I hope all is well with your Dad too Tess. :hug:

Dusty. :heart:
 
Ho hum ho hum
Tapping my thumbs
Pacing the floors
Watching the doors
Of the forum open
Just sitting here hopin
To have good news
And no blues
Hope all went well -
When you have time , please, do tell!

💜
 
Tracy, I didn't realize how talented you are!!! :thumright:


:ack: :yfrown: :ack: :voodoo: :ack: :confused2:

Well, that pretty much sums up how I feel about yesterday's apptmt!

End result is we're most likely going with remicade. So, how we got there...

MRE shows no change from previous MREs - so good news that things haven't worsened, but no improvement either. He said it's not easy to determine if narrowing is from inflammation or scarring but, there is inflammation present - a significant length (his radiologist didn't give a measurement but the previous one did at 20-30 cm) in his distal/terminal ileum (and a bit at the jejunum). There's no way to predict when the inflammation will cause further problems - just because it hasn't so far, doesn't mean it won't in a month, 6 months, one year, etc.

He wants to get the inflammation under control as quickly as possible - said he truly believes that remicade (although he'll go with humira if we choose) is the correct treatment.

Flagyl, entocort - doesn't believe they will be effective in bringing the inflammation down.

Testing - he doesn't put a lot of value in labs. Believes there are too many variables that could affect lab results and that they are only a snapshot of that day (ie Stephen could eat something that could inflame his gut for a couple of days and, if labs were taken then, the 'higher' levels may not be an accurate overall picture). Uses labs just as indicators to guide towards other testing, assessing treatments, etc. Didn't give much value to the fact that Stephen's labs have all been improving since the summer.

Wants to do an endo- and colonoscopy in January. When Stephen was diagnosed through scopes, they showed inflammation in his stomach, duodenum colon and TI. All MREs since then have indicated no inflammation in his stomach and colon (no mention ever of duodenum, only jejunum) - he said sometimes MREs don't catch all inflammation, scope will give him more info re these areas.

Pill cam - asked to do pill cam so that we can also see small intestine. He doesn't like the risk of it getting stuck, I said I would also like to do the dummy pill cam first - he said he preferred the scopes and is satisfied with the info he has from MREs re the small bowel.

Biologics vs. immunosuppressants - said for the small increased risk in going to biologics, he believes they are more effective than immunosuppressants (between metho and imuran, he believes imuran is more effective so if we choose this route). Between remicade/humira - prefers remicade mainly because of compliancy/follow up - patient won't take treatment a day late, won't inject incorrectly, etc. plus can get f/u info from nurse if necessary and labs can be done at each injection. I asked him what he would be looking for in the labs, he said any indication that something is off (with Stephen there, I really didn't want to push questioning re cancer indications, etc.)

LDN - will no longer prescribe because now that he's seen the original scope results (which he hadn't seen before??), said he's not comfortable prescribing LDN when there is a chance the crohns is through the stomach, colon, ileum (this will be confirmed at the scope but I do not believe it will change his mind re the LDN).

So, where do I stand... (actually, not sure if I'm still standing :yfaint:)... He seems very sincere, truly seems to believe that remicade is Stephen's best option. On the other hand, is offering NO options - no antibiotics, no entocort, barely immunosuppressant... for the most part, reason being he doesn't think they will be effective (how is it that nothing else can be effective?). Wants to do scope because he doesn't feel MRE is accurate enough to confirm there is no inflammation in stomach, etc. yet feels MRE is accurate enough to give him reassurance that small bowel has enough inflammation to warrant remicade (so pill cam not necessary). :ywow: :confused2: :ywow: Am I being nit-picky?? He did give his reasons for these questions...

GI really speaks of the dangers and consequences of untreated disease - I'm a bit torn if he's going overboard or if he's just trying to truly make us aware of the risks. Both times we've left there, Stephen's left fearful to not start remicade TODAY. :confused2: So, I have to take into account that Stephen is very much leaning towards doing remicade but is willing to listen to a second opinion.

So, for now, we're going to book his scopes and, I suppose, start the process for remicade (insurance, etc.).

BUT want that second opinion! My BIL had to have his entire esophagus removed a couple of years ago (as far as I know, this is a very complicated, risky surgery), surgeon who did this is not a GI but is head of surgery at the hospital. Husband has also met with him due to his own acid reflux issues. (Both have said he is a very compassionate doctor.) It so happens that my BIL has a follow up apptmt tomorrrow, so my husband will go with him to the apptmt, give him a brief summary of what's going on and ask if he can get us a second opinion with a GI very quickly. And am still waiting to hear back re the referral request Stephen's GP made a few weeks ago (it typically takes months to get an apptmt though :()

So... that where we stand. I'm kinda blown away and not sure what I'm thinking now... although I know I'm not happy and my bubble is nowhere to be seen! :( :ymad: :ack:
 
Aww...Tess I'm sorry your bubble is in hiding but it sounds like you are taking all the steps needed to make yourself and Stephen comfortable with any treatment. These visits are so much to take in, it is like information overload.:ybatty:

I hope you are able to get the second opinion quickly as I know the waiting and waiting adds it's own stress for you and probably Stephen too.

Sending hugs and support your way!!:ghug::ghug:
 
When Sarah was initially put on Remicade, we were told it was the only viable option for her, as well. At the time, she was in extremely bad shape, had just received a blood transfusion, and was inpatient. Remicade fixed her up and got her into remission before she started reacting badly to it (serum reaction) and had to go off. Now she's maintained pretty well on 6MP, Allopurinol to keep the liver problem she had in check, and 5mg of Prednisone every other day which for some reason seems to help (and keeps her ITP in check as well).

We were adamant about a second opinion from Boston but in the end she was too acute to be transferred there and time was up.

Remicade may just work for your kiddo for years and years but I wouldn't worry too much right now about it being Remicade or absolutely nothing else in the future. Even though Sarah eventually failed Remicade, the temporary relief and healing she got from it was definitely a net positive in the end in terms of her bowel health and eventual remission.
 
Sorry about your bubble Tess.:( It's probably floating in space with mine.

I hope all goes well. Hugs:hug:
 
Hugs...
I agree a lot to take in.
Hope you get in to the 2nd opinion doc quick .
Fwiw mre did not show the inflammation in the other areas for DS only a scope did.
He was like your son and inflamed from end to end on his first scope.
I will say immunosuppressants by themselves have a greater risk of tcell lymphoma then remicade by itself ( none if you have never had immunosuppressants as far as all the research now but that could change ).
Personally remicade is the miracle drug for DS .


We did get a second opinion on remicade for DS but ended up starting it before our actual visit since time ran out .
Good luck
 
I am coming to terms with the remicade. It has certainly helped having gone through it, especially hearing all that good that comes from it, with so many of your kids.

It's such a hard step to take! :( As you all know, I so would have liked to try LDN and I feel like the GIs have always put obstacles/delays put in my way but, in the meantime, did nothing else. Now, perhaps I don't have time to try anymore and have wasted a year (first time I asked his ped GI was last November!) I feel like I should have done more to push for that but, in reality, I do know that I couldn't have done more (brain knows, heart doesn't!). I can't change what's happened but I will always feel that there was an opportunity to try a low risk med and we didn't! :ymad:

We'll still see if we can get a second opinion quickly and will see the results of the scope but I'm not going to count on much changing!
 
Oh my GOD, Tess...you and I and S and V really are in parallel lives. :shifty:
I cannot believe Stephen is at the same place as V...feeling well, looks good, but needs the scary drugs...wow.
I am so sorry to hear he is. But glad to hear his doc agrees with the Saint as far as recommendation for Remicade. Makes me feel more confident about doing it. You know what I mean.

You know I'm here for obsessing any time you want to. :heart:
 
((((Hugs))))) Tess! I'm sorry! I know how hard it is to hear the word "Remicade". The first time it was mentioned to us it felt like the world stopped spinning. I so didn't want to go there this early in the game.`It takes awhile to get your head wrapped around it! The good news is that Remicade is working for a lot of people on this board....including my guy. Whatever direction you go in, I hope you'll find peace in knowing that you have done an outstanding job of researching all the options. Stephen is so lucky to have you as a mom!
 
Sorry to hear things didn't go better. But I do think you haven't jumped to this decision. You have spent a lot of time researching and discussing options. I think you are exactly right about not quite understanding the logic behind this decision. I have come to terms with the fact that these G.I.'s treat our children based on what could happen because there is no way to predict how the disease course will run. I know that they have spent years in practice watching people suffer before drugs like Remicade and are probably not willing to take a chance when they have seen so many bad outcomes. LDN is somewhat unknown and although the side effects aren't nearly as serious as those with Remicade leaving the disease under-treated probably carries far greater health risks than actually taking Remicade.

I hate that you feel rushed into this decision but you are doing a great job. And I know this is just part of the process we all go through to make sure we have been as responsible as we possibly can be before we make these decisions.

Hoping that your path to treatment becomes clear and all goes well. (((Hugs))))
 
Remicade wasn't our saving grace, except during loading doses, but the results we saw then were awesome! I'm sorry you are in this position and I know it has to be hard when you aren't seeing any symptoms. I think you are an awesome advocate for Stephen!!
 
Hey Tess...:hug::hug::hug:...My heart aches and breaks for you that it has come to this. Although we have never been at this same point I too understand the dread, fear and helplessness no options brings.

When Matt was diagnosed I was in shock and everything was happening so fast. The plan was hard and fast...Prednisone, Imuran, Flagyl. Review in 6 weeks and unless there were clinical and objective markers of improvement then Humira would be applied for there and then. remission was the name of the game come hell or high water. To say my head my spinning would be an understatement, I could have been an extra in a horror movie! I didn't even question it, I think the speed at which it happened and the desire to spare him what Sarah went through put me in a bubble that even Superman couldn't penetrate.

The MRE: It truly is a test designed to provide best imaging of the small bowel and the small bowel only. That is not to say that it doesn't pick up issues elsewhere but that is where scopes come to the fore. It is a little the same for the pill cam. I have read in the past where studies have suggested that the transit time through the stomach and duodenum is too fast and so problems in this area have the potential to be missed.

I hope you are able to get a second opinion very soon Tess. Even if the advice is no different validation of another's opinion can ease the pain you are experiencing. :hug:

I so know this is where you don't want to be Tess. I can pull positives out of it but the one that is half the battle over is that Stephen is willing to go down this path and being Remicade you know that compliance won't be issue.

Sending loads and load and loads of love and healing thoughts your way Tess. :heart::ghug::heart:

Dusty. xxx
 
You're right, Dusty, even if the second opinion is just an affirmation of treatment, that will be a huge reassurance. My husband suggested (in my mood yesterday, 'suggesting' was as far as he'd go... :lol:) that this GI is a specialist and that, perhaps, I should have more faith... uhh, yeah, and the problem is that his ped GI was also a specialist at a top hospital yet, with no change in MRE, we have two extremely different treatment plans! So, who's friggin' out to lunch?!?!? But, no question, I always did feel that his ped GIs just had Stephen on 'hold', so am not saying that this GI is wrong. Just wasn't ready to give in quite so easily last night! :voodoo:

Julie - oh gosh... will we ever obsess!!! As the date approaches... :eek:utahere: Could it be that seeing their obsessive, maniacal moms in action :eek: is what has caused V and S to be the stable, laid back, accepting kids they are? :lol:

FW, MLP, Clash, Tracy, Johnnysmom, Shelley, Muppet (and EVERYONE else!) - thanks for all your encouragement! It makes such a difference to know you're not alone in your fears, worries, etc.! There was a bit of time last night that I thought I'm not going back to the forum! :( What's the point? I haven't made anything better or changed the course of anything and have only made myself aware of all the worries, risks, etc. but...seriously?!?!? :ybatty: It's not just the advice and knowledge, really it's the support, friendship and true understanding from everyone! :Karl:

And, where the heck is Crohnsinct with my virtual wine!?!?!? :ymad:
 
RTess you wrote " that this GI is a specialist and that, perhaps, I should have more faith... uhh, yeah, and the problem is that his ped GI was also a specialist at a top hospital yet, with no change in MRE, we have two extremely different treatment plans! So, who's friggin' out to lunch?!?!? "" I think that doctors give their best guess. IT's hopefully an educated guess but it's still a guess as to what's best for a particular patient.

In certain cases, there may be agreement among IBD specialists, but in many cases, there are a variety of ways to proceed. All I can say is aargh!
 
Yeah that!!!
Our 2nd opinion Gi said the same many paths to start and you still may end up in the same place - no one path is anymore right - just what works is.
That said - all the facts and studies prove remicade remains more effective longer when used early ( ie within two years of dx) so if your going there anyway I am all for using it early to give the best shot.
 
Tess ~ I am sooo right there with you ! :ghug::ghug::ghug:

The idea of this combo therapy with Gab is killing me; but I guess we gotta do, what we gotta do right ? :ymad:

Don't you leave us !! Take a break if you need to , but dont you leave us! :heart::heart::heart::heart:
 
Tess,
I am just catching up. I know it is rough to make this decision. I wish more doctors were on the ball with LDN. It has been our miracle as well as other peoples on here. I definitely agree with him getting a scope to really see what is going on. Have you shown the doctor any of the LDN studies?
 
I understand your distrust, fear, worry, anger, confusion.

BTDT.

After almost 7 years I can only tell you that I have had that kind of conversation (or what sounds like your description) when I am talking with a highly experienced doc who specializes in this field and who is both compassionate and detached.

On your side of the conversation it almost feels like you are talking with the wind. You know it was there, it may even have been caressing and kind but it disturbed things sometimes a lot. Now it's gone and you have nothing solid left to grasp, just the disturbance left behind.

Does that kind of describe your experience?

The docs I've had those kinds of conversations with are so far beyond competent that it took years for me to begin to appreciate the skill and depth of knowledge underlying those simple conversations and why it's so hard for them to explain themselves to you in a way that is really satisfying. "Because I know" doesn't cut it but that really is the answer.

I know I was not going to take anybody's word for anything for the longest time. What a PITA I must have been.

He has seen so many kids that he almost doesn't have to do more than glance at the kid, the labs and the imaging studies to know what's going on, what treatment to start with and what problems to expect.

He can look at the imaging studies predict the pattern of disease for at least the short term, and he knows what treatments are most likely to work or not work in nearly every case.

He or she is operating out of experience and if you ask them to explain themselves you may get an answer that sounds like the one you got - at times contradictory, seems to suggest there are options but in the end only offers one. And they may have said the things you expected to hear about the justifications for the choices but somehow it just doesn't sit right, you're not convinced, you needed to argue or tussle or something.

And they won't do that generally. They will answer questions, they will tell you their opinion and if/when things get dicey they will be direct and forceful. But they are detached from the outcome and are unlikely to argue with you or defend their position vigorously. If you get to life and death stuff then you will see a different doctor but short of that you probably won't.

That's because these docs see thousands of parents just like us every year. Many of us are resistant to our new reality. A bunch have become instant doctors courtesy the internet. Some folks are just mistrustful because of past experiences with doctors and others are just generally anxious or paranoid or had too much caffeine that day.

Anyway, the ultimate control over treatment decisions is in the hands of the parents - not the docs. Because Crohn's is hard to understand and is invisible for the most part, lots of parents struggle to accept the need for medication, surgery, lab draws. They/we have trouble accepting that we need to rely on this expert doctor and trust him to tell us what needs to be done.

I am not saying these docs are perfect, don't make mistakes or shouldn't be questioned. It's just different in my experience to work with a doc with this kind of breadth and depth of experience. These two docs knew what my son's prognosis was, knew what type of meds he needed to be on and said so straightforwardly based on simple, basic information.

I wasn't ready to hear what they had to say as soon as I would have liked. And they knew that, I'm sure of it. Because they just waited me out. They knew that it was 90%+ likely that their prediction and treatment recommendations were right. But they knew it wouldn't do any good to argue with me or strive to convince me or defend their positions. So they told me what they thought and left it at that.

Ok. Enough about that.

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned about using the biologics (if they are needed) is that there is a clear advantage to starting them early - within 2 years - of diagnosis. Statistically you are much more likely to get a solid remission that lasts for a long time.

And just because you start Remicade doesn't mean you can't stop. Nothing is written in stone.

My son used Humira for about 2 1/2 years and then stopped. I believe he didn't have any problems for more than 2 years afterwards because he had achieved mucosal healing thanks to Humira. And even with his recent flare it was very, very mild and has responded to a slight increase in his Methotrexate.

I can't guarantee this will be your son's outcome but I completely and totally agree that you need to stop the inflammation now. You do not want an abscess or fistula or permanent stricturing due to that continuing inflammation.

And those are the possible, I actually think likely, results if that is left to simmer long enough. How long? Don't know, for some people it might be decades. For others it might be months. That's the crappy thing - you don't know.

Hugs
 
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Tess...these med choices are no fun. Sorry you and your family are dealing with it.

I think you know we chose the remicade option and so far so good (knock on wood).

Part of our decision was based on getting his GI tract healed before there was time to do permanent damage. I really do believe there are going to be great breakthroughs in the not too distant future and if we can just get our kiddos there relatively healthy and at their full growth potential, the risks will be worth it.

Good Luck with whatever path you guys choose. Thinking of you.
 
Aw Tess so sorry I wasn't around but rest assured I was having that wine. Needed to take breaks to deal with some other stressors for a while.

The biologics have gotten a real bad rap on the scare front. Probably due to the "drug of last resort" reputation from years ago. Because they were drug of last resort they were automatically seen as the dangerous and scary ones. Well, hanging out around here has pretty much shown me they all suck! Imuran and potential liver issues, Methotrexate and potential side effects, cancer risks etc etc etc.

I am glad so much positive information is coming out now about Remicade.

I have said this before, Remicade is an easy dosing drug, great for compliance, little to no side effects, few risks (o.k. yeah the few it has are scary but slight) and you get the added benefit of frequent blood results...great for us control freak moms.

Plus, there are so many treatments in the pipeline, who knows, he may only be on it for a year or two before we are all on to something else.

This is all hitting you at an incredibly stressful time with all you are going through and then oh yeah the holidays!!!! I am sorry you are having to make this decision now and hope that the scopes and second opinion help ease things for you.

How is your dad?
 
OMG, just wrote out a reply to all of the above and lost it!!! :ymad: :ymad:

(Sorrry, I couldn't respond last night - had to swich from concerned mother to concerned daughter! )

You guys are incredible!!! I can't tell you how much I've been reassured after reading all your comments on remicade! And, Patricia, you are so bang on with so many of your comments!!! It's like you were there with me - at and after - the appointment!!
I'm almost positive we'll be going with the remicade. Stephen is very concerned about the risk of surgery and, given his age, I won't try to change his opinion. I will give him my opinion and I'll ask lots of questions at apptmts so I can be sure he's getting as much info as possible, after that... I'll respect his choice.

Husband met with surgeon this morning and his comments were similar to many of yours - different GIs = different opinions, no right or wrong, be cautious with these drugs but weigh the risk of using them with the risk of not :ybatty:, believes we have time for a second opinion and encourages this, unfortunately, his hospital does not have a crohns specialist and he believes, if we're going for a second opinion, we should get one from a GI with that specialty. So, will follow up with GP re his referral (so far hadn't heard back yet).

Kim - yes, gave GI studies, articles, all I could find. He may have read it but my inclination is to think not. :(

Crohnsinct - any wine LEFT?!?!? :D But, I think you're right in that this decision re the meds is coming at me with so much else going on! :ywow: It's like my 'emotional skin' has been rubbed raw and any little scratch is like :eek: :eek: - hard to keep things in perspective!

Dad's surgery went well, he was woozy but fine last night, now we wait for the healing... which will, hopefully, occur without complication!


So, for now, we're on 'hold' on all fronts! :) I can feel my bubble trying to rebuild... even if it only lasts over the holidays!!! :ghug:
 
I think the biggest thing to stress with your son is that if he starts this course of treatment he must commit to doing it on schedule regardless of what else might be happening in his life.

For someone his age this may be the biggest problem to doing Remicade and why so many like Humira. Humira they can do at home without any real interruption in their regular activities. They do have to keep track of when they do it (every other week) but it is usually delivered by mail order drug companies that call at least once every 3 months about refilling the rx.

I don't know what the arrangement is for the remicade there but if it is reliant on Stephen making the appointment himself with no mechanism in place for the system to remind him then I would consider suggesting that Humira might actually be a better choice.

And yes I know that you could remind him but my advice is that you back off of this role (managing meds and making appointments specifically).

It's my experience, with my son who has been on medications his whole life and has been responsible (mostly) for the daily management of his meds for the last year, that it is better for them to do it sooner rather than later. This allows them to screw up while there is still a safety net in place to help them get back on track.
 
As far as remembering appts for us gi office schedules first three at once since they have to be so close together for induction.
Then your last induction appt they actually schedule your next infusion before you leave the hospital so no hiccups or forgetting.
 
I wanted to say something about the pill cam.

Badger had it done twice.

Once it was somewhat helpful.

Once it was a complete waste of time and I later discovered that he had extensive stricturing so we dodged the "stuck somewhere" bullet but I'm guessing it was a close thing.

There a couple problems with the pill cam.

1. It only sees what it is pointed at directly.

If the ulcer is on the side the camera is pointed then great, the camera records that ulcer and you know it was there. If the camera is pointed a different direction? No ulcer as far as everyone is concerned.

2. It only sees what it is pointed at for as long as it is pointed in that direction.

During Badger's first pill cam it transited most of the small bowel so fast that they saw nothing but a blur. Not helpful. During his second pill cam the thing stopped and didn't move for 6 hours (I am figuring this is when we dodged the "stuck and has to be removed by surgery" bullet). So they got 6 hours of the same view in the upper part of the small intestines. Since the pill cam was only good for 7 1/2 hours I think (maybe 8) and it had already taken almost 2 hours to reach that point they got no pictures of the small intestines below that once the pill cam broke free.

Given the availability of MRE, the risk of obstruction and need for surgery to remove the thing, these drawbacks make me wonder why anybody uses it.
 
Re: pillcam. Patricia, the patency cap eliminates the fear of it getting stuck. Not sure why you are unfamiliar with the patency cap, but I wouldn't allow a pillcam without it. So true that it will have variable results depending on motility, positioning etc but it is still an excellent tool for sm bowel visualization even in light of those limitations.

TESS,
I heard from The Saint this morning. I'll post details in V's thread.
She and Stephen are in so much the same position: years on EN held this moment off as long as we could and now here it is.
I am glad to know you as we are in nearly identical places. Sadly. :voodoo:
 
I know when we went through the process of starting remicade we had the option to sign up for an appt reminder through Remicade. The lady stated that we could enter up to 3 numbers and they send a text and voice reminder a week out and the day before.

I think we are going to utilize it for C shortly, as it is right now we choose to drive quite a way to his infusions, when it is turned over to him we will find a place more convinient to where he decides to attend college. I do worry that compliancy may be come an issue but so far C has liked the downtime of the infusion.
 
My comments about the pill cam were a response to Tesscorm's concern that the doctor didn't feel it would add anything to what was already known.

If I had to guess, part of the reason for that kind of remark might be that he'd had a few patients whose pill cam results looked a lot like Badger's.

In Badger's case it was a waste of money, time and resources.

Even with the patency cap the Pill Cam carries a 2.6% risk of capsule retention in people with Crohn's according to the Pill Cam people if I'm reading their literature correctly.

But that's not really the point.

I think the patency cap is a great idea.

I also think it is not a guarantee - especially given the anatomy of the intestines, particularly in a kid with active CD - that you won't have problems.

But mostly my point was that there is NO guarantee that you will get usable results.

The patency cap was not available at the time we did the pill cam but it's my understanding that, except for that innovation, nothing much else has changed.

Am I misinformed? It's happened before. :)
 
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Thinking of you today, TEss!
We also scheduled our next Remi infusion before we left...our infusion unit appts filled up fast.
 
Tess, I completely understand how difficult this these decisions can be. It's almost like you want to exhaust all other options before going to the big guns because otherwise you will never know whether or no they might have worked. Something similar happened with us. Started with entocort, then prednisone, then 6mp, did flagyl, LDN, several diets, then remicade, and now we are looking at surgery to remove a stricture. Saw a doc yesterday at Boston Children's who says perhaps if we had STARTED with remicade we could have avoided the surgery and many of the troubles my son has gone through. The truth is one never knows, and every time a new, more powerful med was recommended, I fretted and worried and the came to accept it and realized that it was ok. But i know it isnt easy. So know that send all my understanding and best wishes. Keep us posted.
 
Thanks awmom,

Yes, that's it exactly... the meds are such a tough decision to accept at any time but I exhausting all other options gives us comfort that we have done all we can. But, as you say, the risk is that they don't work and then we find further damage. And, really, it's so easy to say in hindsight 'oh I should have...' but, in reality, we don't know what those other decisions would have brought had they been made at that time! (did that make sense?? :ywow:) Thanks for sharing!! I do appreciate it! :ghug:
 
EN - It's been my lifeline, thinking for all this time that it's been Stephen's saving grace, I think I'll be the one going through withdrawal!! :eek:

Our plans for EN going forward are... GI believes the only benefit he's getting from it is as a nutritional supplement and doesn't feel strongly one way or the other if he continues... I still believe it has helped keep Stephen stable for all this time (while it didn't rid him of all inflammation, he hasn't worsened either...) and, being a picky eater, has given him his nutrients! Stephen is completely happy to continue, says he feels and looks better than he ever did without the formula and prefers the NG tube as he doesn't want to drink the shakes. So, our plan is to keep going with the same formula, same dosage as long as I can keep getting prescriptions for it (I believe GI will prescribe) (it would cost a fortune without coverage - we'll deal with that when it happens...)

Now, just a question for you guys... given our new circumstances, I'm thinking of skipping the formula while we're away :eek: (would be so much easier if I didn't need a doctors note and to carry all the formula and the pump and bags and tubes)... or my back-up, do I pack some boost/ensure just in case he's not feeling well (and can replace a few meals with those shakes)??? Do you think I'd still need a doctors note to carry Boost/Ensure in our suitcases?
 
I think 'nope' to all your questions :)

We're going on a cruise, so I think having it shipped directly to the ship would be complicated and with lots of room for error (us arriving but not finding the formula and equipment)...

Unfortunately, we arrive in Ft. Lauderdale at midnight on the 29th and the cruise leaves the morning of the 30th... I'd considered buying some Boost/Ensure in Florida (to bypass customs and security issues) but it's unlikely I'll have the opportunity due to time constraints.

I know cruise ships have strict policies about bringing your own drinks (including non-alcoholic! - we had to buy a 'water' package! :yfaint:) on board but I was planning on taking a copy of his discharge papers showing his diagnosis and explaining the need for the nutritional supplement - I really don't expect the cruise line will have a problem with THAT... if they did, I'd happily be using Mary's vice grips on that gatekeeper!! :lol:
 
I wonder if the cruise line medical person (doctor or nurse) could help arrange for you to have at least some boost/ensure available on the ship.

Might be worth a call but even if they promise it I personally wouldn't count on it until I saw the little packages myself.

You know, they might already have some laid in for passengers with bad seasickness or whatever.
 
:ymad:Back off Patricia56 ,:ymad:

We've already been through this.:eek2: Some are going in the luggage and some will stow away in a rescue boat. :confused2:One lucky soul will be able to be the personal nurse.:hug: She hasn't yet announced who that is yet?:eek:

Remember Tess dear, how I've always tried to offer words of encouragement.:ghug:
 
Hey, nothing says there's no room for a backpacker on this little jaunt.:ycool:

Unless you're the one who'd like to be the ... donkey?

:kissgrits:

:arghmatey_ani:

As for earning one's way, I think we can all agree that I offer many excellent and practical suggestions (see the immediately preceeding posts) and I am currently experiencing an astonishing surge of humor that is almost always socially acceptable in content.

:biggrin:
 
True, true....but my humor was here before you!:hug:

If we were unionized I would have seniority.:tongue:

:rof:
 
If we were unionized I'm pretty sure seniority is not what you would have. :tongue:

As for your humor, we all knew it was stale, no need to make a spectacle of yourself about it. Some things just don't age well.:yrolleyes:

I think you may be in need of the following information on text message shortcuts for seniors. You did say you have seniority yes?:jokercolor:

BFF: Best Friend Fainted
BTW: Bring The Wheelchair
BYOT: Bring Your Own Teeth
CBM: Covered By Medicare
CGU: Can't get up
CUATSC: See You At The Senior Center
FWB: Friend With Beta Blockers
FWIW: Forgot Where I Was
FYI: Found Your Insulin
GGPBL: Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low!
IMHO: Is My Hearing-Aid On?
LMDO: Laughing My Dentures Out
LOL: Living On Lipitor
LWO: Lawrence Welk's On
OMMR: On My Massage Recliner
ROFL... CGU: Rolling On The Floor Laughing... And Can't Get Up
TTYL: Talk To You Louder
WAITT: Who Am I Talking To?
WWNO: Walker Wheels Need Oil​

:pillowfight: :headbang:
 
Tess, just my opinion, but I would think backing off and just bringing some Boost/Ensure with you all at this point would be sufficient. And also, I don't see the cruise line guidelines taking issue with this as it's not exactly "alcohol" :)

I say, relax, take a break and just bring the supplements along ~again, just my opinion. ;)
 
Woman...
I wish I could come meet you and bring you the boost !!

Unfortunately, we arrive in Ft. Lauderdale at midnight on the 29th and the cruise leaves the morning of the 30th... I'd considered buying some Boost/Ensure in Florida (to bypass customs and security issues) but it's unlikely I'll have the opportunity due to time constraints.

Uggg...I can't believe how close you will be ( a few hours) ! I so wish we could meet up and I could give you a gigantic, squishy hug !! :hug:
 
I'm with Crohn's Mom.

Take the minimum. Unless you're going to be gone a month just take along what you can in supplements.

I would still check with the cruise line about whether they already carry it onboard though so you don't have to lug it along with you.
 
Hey Tess,

I agree that is worthwhile taking some boost/ensure along with you. :) Can you contact the cruise line company and discuss it with them?

You know I have always wondered how things might have been for Sarah if she had been given the chance to use medication, diet, anything. Can I fault the outcome she has had with surgery thus far?
Then when Matt was diagnosed I jumped at the chance to use medication. Despite Sarah's positive outcome I still wanted more than anything for him to avoid what she went through and I was more than willing to hit it hard and fast. Given the opportunity it didn't work anyway.

What I am saying Tess is if I had time, and not our personal previous experience, I too would be uncertain of which path to take. But I did not have that time, I was not looking at a child that 'looked well', that had energy and had weight on their bones. In so many ways the choices were taken out of my hands and I can't help but think that although the choice given is not what one would wish it did make it easier. I did not have to weigh the pros and cons of one treatment over another or the combining of this with that. I can only look with admiration and awe at the majority of you that do indeed have or have to face such decisions. :ghug:

Dusty. :heart:
 
Hugs....
Tess- we second guessed our decision on Remicade even they day of the infusion.
4 months later - it is the best thing to happen.
In his case we had tried it ALL ...
Glad you are moving forward and I hope you see wonderful results on the next mre as proof the remicade is working.
 
:rof: LMAO :rof: at Patricia and FW!!! Wish I could take you both along!! :D Shhhh, I believe Crohnsinct took on the personal nurse role before I'd even finished writing the cruise details! :lol: But, get that rescue boat gassed up! What will I do without you all for one week?!?!? :yfaint: Oh yeah... tan, eat, drink... :facepalm:

I'll try to call the ship re the boost... I really can't imagine the ship giving me a hard time bringing the EN but I'm questioning more the customs/security issues. If our flight was arriving a bit earlier, I would just buy it there - it would be so much simpler!! But, in any case, as you all said... probably a good idea to just take some along! We're all well familiar with Murphy's Law!!! ...better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it!

Dusty, MLP... thanks! :heart:

Unfortunately, the referral sent by the GP was turned down! Guess they can do that??? To start again with another referral will be almost impossible to schedule before the end of January :( I have one more shot... have a fairly close friend who is one of six or seven siblings and, unbelievably, their jobs are - heart surgeon, brain surgeon, gynocologist, pediatrician and one GP!!! (We teased my friend that he was the black sheep by being a lowly accountant!! :lol:) While is there no GI amoungst his family, he has offered to ask his siblings for referrals if we ever needed... but, really I am coming to terms with the remicade, the more I've read, the more I am worrying about the disease progressing, etc. so not even sure if the second opinion will really make much difference???

:)
 
Hi, I seem to have missed loads! I am glad you are managing to come to terms with the Remicade. The worry of silent progression has also made me decide to try the 6mp. Lets hope both work well for our kiddies!!
Hope your dad's recovery is going to plan and he gets better soon.
Enjoy your cruise - just love cruising!!
 
Well Crohnsinct can be dealt with you know. I never let a wimpy nurse stand in my way.:arghmatey_ani::arghmatey_ani::grr1d:

I wonder if any of the duty free shops in the airport would have ensure. It would cost a fortune I bet.

If you pack it in a suitcase you won't have a problem except you may exceed your weight limit.
 
Unfortunately Tess a referral can be turned down outside of the hospital system. :(

If after reading the information provided the specialist doesn't feel they can offer you anything further they can say there is no point in going through with the referral.

Dusty. :hug:
 
I think it was due more to time limitations. The GPs secretary said they'd asked if he already had a GI and, if yes, couldn't do just an 'opinion'. She suggested I call directly and be the 'squeaky wheel' and that they might respond?? ;). I may still do that??? But, to be honest, I'm feeling a bit worn down after so many battles lately! Between my fibroid issues, getting the U.S. Mre, pushing to get MREs reviewed, a problem I had renewing the last EN renewal, my dad, Stephens univ apps must be done now, prepping for Christmas and the cruise, the recent upsurge in research on remicade and LDN, then the news from the last apptmt :ybatty:... I'm not sure I have anymore loud squeaks left! :lol: I don't ever want to feel I hvnt turned every stone for Stephen but my fear of worsening disease is beginning to really outweigh my fear of remicade. To make the second opinion valuable would mean getting it scheduled bfr remicade begins and that's a narrow window (with the odds against me given the wait times for apptmts - also I hv my surgery on Jan 17, further narrowing that window!) So, after this long explanation... :lol: I'm just not sure I can be a squeaky wheel again! If my friend can do something, that will be great, if not... I may have to accept 'second opinion defeat'! :). (Then again, this may change after my third cup of coffee Monday morning! :D)
 
More hugs...
We had a second opinion on the remicade but like you we just ran out of time and decided in DS case enough damage was enough- still went to the second opinion place after starting remicade but it was more of a yep we agree with doc #1 sorta thing.
Hope your new year calms down

I am going in the carry on since I need a break too.
 
Yes, I remember that's what happened with you... And hv thought that I'm in the same situation re the second opinion.

:lol: I think I need one of those old steamer trunks!! But, now I won't have to worry abt being without you guys for a week! :thumright:
 
Oh Tess...:hug::hug::hug:...you are such a wonderful Mum and advocate for your boy. :) He is so very lucky to have you in his corner and I don't see a single failure anywhere!

:hang: Mum! You are champion!

Dusty. :heart:
 
Hang in there Tess!

:frown:I'll probably have to stay on dry land. knowing how things go...I come on board and the ship will hit a freak iceberg.:ack:
 
I am beginning to feel there's not much fight in me left either. Whatever happens, you can be confident knowing you really did try your best! You've been a fantastic mom and daughter!
 
Wishing you all the best the decision.

When know you that remicide will not be approved for your child, its easy decision to say I have no doubts about remicide being a great treatment and way to go forward and get this bloody disease under control.

Please feel free to remind me of this statement if appoval process for remicide changes in Australia and I exactly have to make a decision.
 
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Tess,
Definitly call the cruise line they may be willing to arrange to have the formula on board. The medical aboard these ships is pretty incredible. I wish you guys weren't coming in at midnight I would so drive the formula to you. My problem is I don't drive distances at night. ( I have night vision issues) when do you guys get back from the cruise? Maybe we can meet up?
 
I just need to vent to the only people who will really understand!! :ymad: (and my poor husband is tired of nodding, agreeing and saying 'okay, just relax'! Which, by the way, I'm tired of hearing and does nothing to relax me! :lol:)

So, a second opinion is just not working out... but my friend's SIL works at the same hospital as Stephen's GI and her comments about him were 'He really is the best! If you have him as your GI, you absolutely do not need a second opinion!! His recommendation for remicade is the correct protocol.' Okay, with a recommendation like that, I certainly felt better and accepted that a second opinion was going to be so difficult to get and really didn't seem to be as necessary.

So, with the holidays coming up and then our trip, I followed up today with his assistant re possible scope date, etc. as he'd said he wanted to do the scopes at the beginning/mid Jan. Now she says, Stephen's on a cancellation list but, worst case, it may not happen until February. I totally understand this and certainly don't expect him to bump anyone else, I'm grateful and appreciate that he's put Stephen on the cancellation list right away... What I'm pissed at is that these GIs (at least the two I've dealt with) are more friggin worried about following protocol than doing what's right!!! :ymad: :voodoo: :ymad:

Really, I've accepted the very likely need for remicade, so this isn't about me not being able to let go of LDN, HOWEVER...

Since October, this guy has said 'oh, he needs remicade, something strong to take down inflammation!' (But said he'd give LDN if I wanted...)

When I asked for the LDN prescription, he scheduled another apptmt to follow up again (with the new MRE), now says 'oh no, I wouldn't feel right giving LDN, he really needs the remicade and we don't want to leave it as we don't know when the tipping point will be for further complications.'

Okay, panic sets in, I accept that he needs remicade, let's get treatment going!

Reality - yes, there's certainly concern with inflammation, LDN perhaps isn't enough but, while we're procrastinating since OCTOBER, let's do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! because, it seems, according to 'protocol', doing NOTHING for months is a much BETTER decision rather than trying something with little side effects while waiting for MREs, reviews, apptmts, scopes, insurance schedules, etc.!!! If he'd given me the LDN in October, we would know by the time of the scopes if the LDN was working and if not, we could still continue on with remicade.

To me, this is not a great doctor!!! Yes, he may be the best in the GI field and extremely knowledgeable but, he's obviously incapable of thinking outside the box! So far, with absolutely no training, I could have done his job! I (with all your help;)) could see that the MREs showed inflammation and I could decide to go top down and be relatively sure it would work... side effects?? Oh well, out of my control... :ymad: :ymad:

Ughh!!!! I'd sell my soul to be rich as a Saudi prince and buy and staff my own GI clinic!! :lol: OMG, now isn't that the ultimate control freak dream or what?!?!? :lol:
 
Are they waiting on the scopes before they start Remicade? Why can't they give the first infusion immediately if they've already decided that's what he's getting?
 
When Stephen was diagnosed (May 2011), scopes showed inflammation in his stomach, duodenum, colon and TI. Since then, three MREs have shown inflammation only in his TI, distal ileum (20-30 cm) and small patch(es) in his jejunum with some stricturing, etc (one or two of the MREs have noted that colon and stomach are unremarkable). But based on the scopes, GI feels that there's a chance there is still inflammation in those areas that the MREs may have missed so he wants to confirm with up to date scopes before starting on remicade.

He may also have understood that I would not feel comfortable going to remicade given that his MREs have shown no worsening in the last 12 months and his labs were better now than since diagnosis so the scopes would be further confirmation of the need for remicade.

So, I do understand the reason for 'some' of the delays but don't understand why 'something' (LDN or even 5-asa) wouldn't have been used while waiting for all these steps... Even if there was only a small chance of success, there wud have been no downside!
 
Given the extended wait I agree. I guess they don't want something else to heal him up and give them an inaccurate picture of the progress after Remicade or the severity of his illness now.

In that case, though, they damned well ought to push it up, surely there can't be that long a list of diagnosed, totally unmedicated patients waiting for scopes? Bump somebody else, chumps.

I'd call every day about the cancellation list, explaining-in long detail-the reason for my concern, until they were so sick of me they'd be begging the doctor to pull some strings.
 
:thumright: I'm with you but I've already done so much pushing with this GI that I'm starting to feel embarrassed at all the pushing! Stephen's only been with him since October and, so far, we've had two apptmts, I've dropped in twice to leave films of old MREs for his review, told him I'd get my own MRE in the U.S. since it would take too long for his and had that film and report sent to him, he had his radiologist review the films and pushed up the review by a month (according to the wait time the assistant had anticipated) because I didn't want to wait for the review and had sent him an email with specific questions re the results and had requested the prescription for LDN while we waited for the review, few other emails and calls, etc., etc. ... I can't be sure but I'm not sure that other patients get two appts, MRE reviews and a scope within 3 months... and he has been patient answering questions... and, I don't want to reach a point where he says... 'okay, I just don't think I can treat your son to your satisfaction. I think you need to find a new GI.' :eek: :eek:
 
I have no shame when it comes to pushing specialists. I think that a few prominent Audiologists in the Northeast may have my picture on their office walls with "DO NOT ADMIT" written on it. :D
 
Hugs ... Tess
I have found everything in Gi land is hurry up make decision then wait...
You are correct they need to know what his insides look like remicade hence the mre .
That fact he was scoped over a year ago almost two by time you get to start remicade is another issue .
He will still need tb tests , ideally get titers on vaccinations including chicken pox so he can get whatever shots he needs now .
DS went from scope to remicade in 3 months but that was with a drug failure (mtx)in between.
Once the decision was made to switch to remicade it was all of about two weeks since that was the first opening at the infusion clinic here .
Doc also knew DS was pred dependent at that time so the longer the wait the longer the pred since we could not wean him.
5asa are useless IMO DS takes asacol soon to be taken off in march since we don't know for sure that it is not helping a tiny bit where your sons disease would need a pentasa or something similar but honestly if you see inflammation on the mre the 5asa probably won't touch it.
I guess if he was more symptomatic they would push faster but given the inflammation seems to be there but slow i think the Gi probably feels they have time on their side but not too much.
I know the health care is different so maybe that is it.
Mre take about 2-3 weeks to get non urgent one and scopes about a week maybe a month when your not dx.
Larger go to hospitals that see patients from all over the us two months or more.
Only the sickest of the sick go there
I wish your scope could be sooner
I know it's frustrating btdt.
We are here for you
 

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