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Coming out of lurkdome to seek advice/thoughts/been-there-done-that for my son. DS (now 11) was diagnosed this past February with Crohn’s, mostly in the terminal ileum. In the spring/summer of 2013 we took him to the ped because we thought he had a virus and was not eating as well as he should have been. It was sporadic sometimes he’d eat really well and other times he’d be full. Ped did bloodwork and stool test but at the time only checked for blood in the stool (oh if I had known then what I know now ;-) ) and the bloodwork came back as anemic. We went to a hematologist who tested him for Thalassemia and had him on iron but not much changed. Fast forward to winter of 2013/2014 we finally see an endo after the ped is still not happy with his lack of growth and iron levels still not that great. Endo did the “right” blood test and found his ESR was elevated. He also did a wrist bone scan and found his bone age to be on target for 10 plus or minus 6 months (he was exactly 10 ½ at the time). Saw the GI in Feb, did endoscopy/colonoscopy and found Crohn’s. We were blindsided to say the least.

Of course in my naïve panic mode I though no way will we put our kid on these meds. You wonderful people here told me in many nice ways (and I’ve learned more and more by lurking) that diet alone doesn’t work and that medical intervention is usually necessary. We decided to give it a go anyway without the “big guns” and he did a few months of entocort, he is currently on LDN (slowly increasing since May up to full dose since end of August) and has been following a gluten free/dairy free/corn free diet since March. And of course those reading along shaking their heads saying it is not enough are right. While his bloodwork is almost normal, his calprotecin hasn’t gone below 200, he is still anemic (we’ve started iron infusions – had 1 so far and will have another 3 more at least) and he is not really growing. He has not lost weight but really hasn’t gained more than 2 lbs and has only grown 1” in the past year. At the last GI appointment the GI said she still felt some inflammation when pressing on his right side (where his inflammation was mostly located) and son confirmed that while he was not in pain when she pressed, it felt like he had more room on his left side than his right. We all mutually agreed to give it to November to see if the LDN fully kicked in and then we’d come back to make some decisions.

So all this to say, we know we have to do something, I just don’t know where to start. I won’t do 6mp. We met for our 2nd opinion the Dr. that was part of 6mp research and he said he won’t prescribe it for tween/teen boys because of the risk (although in all fairness he did emphasize that the risk was small but to me it is telling that the person behind some of the research would not prescribe it). I’m sort of leaning towards MTX but I’m not sure which is the lesser of all evils. I’d love some advice/thoughts/anything. I’m of course afraid of side effects, both long and short term. Do these meds cause sterility? Will his hair fall out? Will he have an appetite? Is it possible to start the meds and go off them/go back on? I don’t mean yo-yo type but do people get to a point where they are good for a few years then try something like LDN again? I know some will suggest EN but he just won’t do it. I may try to see if I can get a single can or two of peptamen just to waste my money, lol. He did protein shakes on the advice of our nutritionist for 2 months and he can no longer drink them. Mentally he is done with them and they tasted pretty good with fruit added. He can’t fathom a nasal tube and he is a bit of a panicker so I know that won’t happen unless he is drugged and forced so I don’t have high hopes for him to drink peptamen and I’m not even sure at this point what it would do?

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Mtx
My kiddo has been on it twice .
Currently on it now
His hair has not fallen out - sterility well he's 10.
Who know what he will be on when he is having kids -a very very long time from now.
The risk of short bowel syndrome, strictures, fistulas, cancer , and death .
Well I will take sterility .
Most can stop Mtx for three months -have kids and go back on it .
Good luck
 
Don't have any advice on methotrexate, my son has only had 6mp. Good luck for the treatment. The EN was great, it really helped my son feel better. We were given no choice about EN - if he couldn't drink them then he had to have it through the NG tube. Would your son not consider it if he didn't have to taste it? After 2 days my son hardly noticed the tube.
 
Okay, I'll step up and give you the been there done that :)
Jack was on LDN for a year and 1/2, while we saw some improvement it wasn't until 6-8 month that we finally achieved remission. We did have to add supplemental nutrition because he had no appetite and once we did he really gained weight and started growing. (Scopes, labs, FC confirmed remission) so my guess is LDN suppressed his appetite as a side effect as he was just never hungry. We fought and fought over the EN as he was supposed to drink 8 a day along with eating whatever he wanted/felt like. At the time his weight was at 1% for BMI. He absolutely refused the NG tube. So I totally get the EN argument as in BTDT.
For what it's worth, Jack was on Methotrexate for a short time and it worked really well on the Crohn's for us, unfortunately he had an adverse reaction involving his lungs and we had to stop.
Imuran (sister to 6MP) wasn't strong enough in the end and we had simmering inflammation while on it but that being said we stopped the first time a) he wasn't growing/gaining weight; b) GI generally pulls teenage boys off Imuran and tries MTX (Jack was 11 1/2 at the time). Went back on Imuran after the Mtx for another year and again the teenage boy question came up so since Mtx wasn't an option he suggested LDN as an option.
A C-diff infection started a flare which we were just not able to get him out of (even after 8 weeks of EEN, which he agreed to because he absolutely refused to take prednisone), he was 14 at the time. So our options were back to Imuran or move on to remicade. At the time the only time he had grown or gained weight was on methotrexate and when we added supplemental EN to the LDN. He lost nearly all the weight gained on the supplemental EN during the c-diff and flare. During this whole time Jack's bloodwork always remained in the normal range which is one of the reasons we never really went to the "big guns" but since we had already tried everything else and just didn't have the time to wait for the LDN to work again if it was going to (he was now 14.5 and really had not hit puberty) we decided that maybe we did need to move to remicade. It was the right decision for us as the growth has been tremendous since starting remicade in January. However, we are keeping LDN in our back pocket so to speak but our primary goal now is to get him through growing/puberty and not rock the boat. The difference now is night and day while before he thought he felt great and compared to unchecked disease he did but I guess he didn't realize he didn't feel 100% until he felt 100% does that make sense?
I think as others have said you have to be flexible and ready to move on if something is not working. It's a hard realization to come to as these kids are our babies and we would give our heart for them.
 
My daughter has been on MTX several times. No hair loss at all, and no one has ever mentioned sterility! The doses given for Crohn's are tiny compared to the doses given for cancer. The side effects you read on the web are often those associated with the much higher cancer doses.

I was scared of MTX too but honestly, my daughter was so miserable that we felt like we had no choice. She does get very nauseous from it but she has a sort of extreme reaction - most kids have no trouble with it. You're also given anti nausea medication if necessary.

We have not done EEN but my daughter is doing EN via an NG tube. She was very very VERY against the tube and fought it for a year, saying that she would drink Peptamen. She did drink 1-2 a day but still lost a lot of weight and eventually her GI insisted on the NG tube. M is incredibly glad she did it and says it's much easier than drinking Peptamen. She had an uncomfortable first night but then was fine within a day or two. There are videos online of kids your son's age inserting it, maybe you could have him watch them?

Good luck!
 
We did Mtx for several months. My daughter's hair did fall out, by the handfuls. That was her only side effect though so we decided to give the med a fair chance to work. In the end, we realized that she didn't have IBD so we stopped the Mtx. Once stopping it her hair started coming back, and now all is well. The decision making process is difficult, but once you make a plan and see results you'll find peace with whatever med you've chosen.
 
My son has been on MTX injections for over a yr now. We tried Imuran, but he reacted badly. MTX has worked well for him. There were a few minor side effects at first-some nausea, some tiredness, looser stools. Those have eased up some now. My son has a crazy mop of hair and I don't think he ever lost a strand. His appetite is normal. I have a male neighbour who has been on MTX for years for psoriatic arthritis and they have 3 kids, although I have read that sterility can be a side effect. Hope that helps you out a little. Good luck! Tough choices, I know.
 
MamaHenn, so sorry to hear your son isn't well.

You may also want to ask your GI about antibiotics. Flagyl/Cipro combinations can bring about remission in some patients and are (infrequently) used for maintenance. They can also be used at the same time as LDN. We were in a bad place and antibiotics successfully brought us ongoing remission. The good thing about antibiotics is that you know pretty quickly if they work for you (less than a week).

If you do decide to try abx, do it before you try immune suppressants. Studies show the success rate for abx is lower in people who have previously been on Imuran/6mp/Mtx.

Wishing your family a quick return to some sort of normality-good luck with whatever you decide.
 
MamaHenn - I like your approach with the lesser of the evils of meds. It reminds me of how I viewed things within the 1st 6 months of my kid's diagnosis. Those thoughts have evolved as each med fails to work on my daughter. I would research hoping the one I would ask about would not be too hard on my kid, be the answer we are looking for. I now have the thought I just need a med that works. Find me a med that makes her better with the least side effects (Priority in that order) and she will try it. I admit, the last few drugs we have tried I have gone with that mentality.

We did EEN by NG tube (my daughter's suggestion after nothing was working and was the only choice left from our 1st GI). The fact that my kid said she would do it was the only reason I even considered it. In the end we weren't able to continue it long enough to see any benefits. Drinking orally would have been a complete waste of money.

From an administering and complying standpoint the two that gave us little trouble was Imuran & Simponi. My daughter got used to the injections with MTX, Humira was a fight every time, Remicade she was exhausted for a day after infusions. Simponi has taken a bit of getting used to but much easier for her as it is no pain for the injection. She can even do it herself. Imuran was the only thing we saw make a noticeable change, though the other meds did help somewhat with mucosal healing. Just nothing for outward symptoms hence why we are in the hospital awaiting surgery.

My long story short - making the meds choice is hard, but seeing your kid suffer is harder. The side effects are slim, mostly manageable. I suggest you don't make your decision on the "least amount of side effects". Make the decision on what has the greatest chance of helping your kid (and your family) get her life back. I wish you all the best in this tough decision.
 

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