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Greetings everyone. This is my first post after lurking on this site for many many months. This forum has been a great source of comfort, information and insight since I discovered it after my diagnosis in late 2009. I'm glad it's around and filled with such wonderful people.

My reason for coming out of hiding today is to ask your opinion on my prescription situation. [Disclaimer: I'm fully aware that none of us are trained gastroenterologists (or maybe some are, who knows), but I feel like many of us have done so much research that we can offer each other useful insight and advice.]

A bit of history first:
I was diagnosed with Crohn's in late 2009 (symptoms started in 2007) and have been struggling with active disease daily. My symptoms are mainly severe abdominal pain – mostly in the left-side - bloating and nausea. Tests have shown that a foot long piece of my small intestine in the jejunum section is narrowed (no stricture or fistulas) and I have ulceration in several areas of the colon. I have active inflammation and active symptoms.

The first drug I tried was Pentasa, which I was on for several months and which didn't work. Then I tried another mesalamine drug, Apriso, which worked only to the extent that it stabilized my bowel movements (I only had diarrhea occasionally, but when I take Apriso I only get it rarely, which is the only reason I continue it). In Fall of 2010, we added the steroid Entocort, which seemed to work a little bit in lessening the inflammation (worked after a month or so), but then stopped working. I've lost about 20% of my body weight in the past year and a half. I am emaciated and continue to shed weight. The inflammation and pain continues. These past few weeks have been the worst of my life - very frequent severe abdominal pain and a lot of nausea. I am grateful that diarrhea and vomiting have not been symptoms of my disease (really I am amazed at how differently Crohn's presents itself from one person to the next), but the pain is so strong that sometimes I think I would rather die than suffer another second.

Here is where I would like your opinion: my GI recommends that I start Remicade - since the other meds have not been effective in controlling the inflammation. Naturally, I am very anxious about taking such a strong drug. But I am also desperate to get the pain under control. I feel like most GI's would recommend Remicade as well, but that's just me speculating. I am considering getting an opinion from another GI. What would you do in my situation?
 
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Remicade, as they say in the game: do not pass go, do not collect 200 pounds.

Delaying means you will end up in surgery sooner rather than later. You may still, even on Remicade but at least you gave it a try. It is a strong drug, with scary side effects, but pain and Crohns and surgery is much much more scary.
 
I would have no doubts about going on Remicade. I went on it for only one infusion because it just about caused me to have liver failure, but the relief it gave me was great. I never thought that I would have had a normal life again. It should give you what you need and greatly help you to avoid possible surgeries in the future.
 
:bigwave: Welcome scout. Half way reading when you were not doing well on the mild to moderate drugs, I was thinking you may need Remicade and sure enough, your doctor was recommending it. Most people do well and the bad side effects are rare, but as we say we are all different in so many ways. I was allergic to remi but Humira was ok and then stopped working, there is no cimzia here but you can bet your bottom dollar if it was I would be trying it. If you say the pain is so bad that dying is better off, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Go for it. Remicade is mouse protein and works on RH and Crohns and reduces the inflammation. I would rather do that then Prednisone, far worse sides that are common. Let us know what you decide..and yes we are wonderful people ;)
 
Thanks for the feedback and welcome! I’ll be making my decision in the next few days.

Dusty - I have never been on Prednisone.
 
Usually they like to try immuran or 6MP first as remicade is super expensive. They usually give prednisone for a 2-3 months while the 6MP or imuran kicks in and then wean you off it. Some people so really well on imuran/6MP. It put me into remission once and I stayed in remission a long time after I stopped taking it.

If your finances are uncertain in regards to paying for remicade on a consistant basis, I would try the imuran first. As if you stop taking remicade for a long amount of time, you are likely to develop antibodies to it and you will not be able to take it anymore.
 
My insurance coverage is good so the cost of the Remicade is not a big worry. I was a little surprised that my doctor bypassed immunosuppresants and went straight to biologics. Does anyone know if there is any disadvantage to doing this? Specifically, if Remicade doesn’t work for me – or stops working after a period – and I then go on an immunosuppressant, will the fact that I was on a biologic limit the effectiveness of the immunosuppressant?

Or vice versa? i.e. if I start on an immunosuppressant that ends up not working, will subsequent use of a biologic be adversely affected?
 
My insurance coverage is good so the cost of the Remicade is not a big worry. I was a little surprised that my doctor bypassed immunosuppresants and went straight to biologics. Does anyone know if there is any disadvantage to doing this? Specifically, if Remicade doesn’t work for me – or stops working after a period – and I then go on an immunosuppressant, will the fact that I was on a biologic limit the effectiveness of the immunosuppressant?

Or vice versa? i.e. if I start on an immunosuppressant that ends up not working, will subsequent use of a biologic be adversely affected?

Nope, you still have the immunosuppressants to fall back on. It works the other way around too.
 
First, welcome! Love, love, love your user name! My favorite book of all time.

I agree with everything Lydia said. Surprised they skipped over the immunos like 6MP or Imuran, or even methotrexate. Sometimes a doc will put you on the biologics first, then add an immuno.

I'm also surprised they didn't put you on pred short term to calm things down until the heavier stuff has a chance to kick in.

Good luck. It's hard to make the decision to go on the heavy drugs, but they have been a game changer for many people.

- Amy
 
It's done - my first infusion will be next week. I suppose it's sort of false for me to say that it's a difficult decision because I know that a part of me is making this choice out of desperation for relief from the incredible pain/nausea - and it's an easy choice from that perspective. Perhaps if I had active disease (colon ulcers, narrowing) but felt no pain I would have truly ambiguous feelings about taking the drug. That is not the case. One- I need this pain to stop and to be able to really LIVE again. Two- Assuming that the drug will be effective, I do believe that this will benefit me in the long-term; taking down the inflammation and hopefully preventing the need for future surgery.

Amy - it's one of the books that I have re-read many times and still get something new or different out of each reading.
 
I am a doctor, but not a GI doc. There are two theories in attacking Crohn's. Start low and go slow...meaning start with Asacol and Pentasa...then 6-MP and Imuran...and then try the biologics, like Remicade or Humira. Then there is another line of thought that says hit 'em fast and hard...starting with Remicade or Humira. It is a decision that you have to make with your doctor. I do think that the latter theory has the potential of preventing strictures and fistulas. That said, I am surprised they haven't tried you on prednisone. It is much more powerful than Entocort (but then Entocort has less systemic side effects, hence the preference).

Dr. S (spouse of Crohn's sufferer)

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Humira twice monthly
6-MP
Asacol
Gingerforce
Probiotics
Aloe Vera
 
I don't know why but I'm just as scared of going on prednisone as I am of Remicade. It seems everyone gets side effects from pred. I didn't experience any side effects when I was on Entocort. Although, Entocort didn't do anything to relieve my Crohn's symptoms either.
 
Pred was a miracle drug at high dosages and the only side effect I got was feeling better... well, and some acne. Not bad, though.

Everyone's different.
 

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