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My 11 year old daughter has Crohn's. At our 504 eligibility meeting today, the principal did not agree with a 504 b/c she is in remission and a straight A student. She said that her diagnosis is not limiting her access to the curriculum, and is suggesting a heslth plan instead. She is a 5th grader in MA snd will head to the middle school next year. Can she deny my daughter a 504, and/or would a health plan be of value? What have others experienced? Thanks!
 
Hi and welcome.
No experience with this but more parents will be along.
No one can predict this disease, NO ONE. So just because she's in remission now, doesn't mean she be in remission next week/month/year.

HUGS
 
http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/sec504.index.htm

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Call 504 coordinator
Get denial of 504 in writing from the school
Write a letter of understanding to the principal citing your child was denied a 504 plan as recommended by the Ada for children with disease which affect a major life functions such as the gastrointestinal tract like Crohn's disease due to xyz reason and if you do not hear from the principal in x numbers of days you are assuming your understanding is correct

Call your local office of civil rights (OCR )


Good luck
 
Jack's 504 states unpredictibility of disease and as such that is why we have 504 in place as we just don't know when he will have problems and need to use it.
So while she may be in remission right now and I pray it lasts a long long time it really all could change tomorrow and the principal needs to know that. I posted a video from Seattle Childrens about the need for 504 for these kids that was addressed to school personnel. I'll see if I can find the link for you again. Maybe send it to him and I would flat out tell him no I want to keep the 504. Always easier to have in place then trying to rush around and put it in place when she needs it again (although I hope she never does).
Jack has had one in place since 5th grade and while we don't always use the accommodations it asks for it is there when we need it for example we have not used the stop the time, separate room for testing until this year when he had a test in the middle of a trying time and needed to be close to a restroom and was on EEN at the time so needed access to his shakes as well.
 
I always find it interesting when schools say IBD kids do not need 504 plans. In my opinion, that right there is discrimination! Unless your principal is also a gastroenterologist, he needs to come up with better reasons, IN WRITING, why they are denying your request. Then you appeal. I'll see if I can find our appeal process info for you.

I assume you had a doctor's letter and all the supporting documentation?

This is the ideal time to get a plan set up for her, before middle school when multiple teachers become involved. If this principal doesn't help, you might want to consider talking to the middle school instead.

Here's another link:
http://www.ccfa.org/assets/pdfs/teachers_guide_brochure_final.pdf
 
Thanks for the feedback and links. I will add it to my ammunition. I went in with a very detailed letter from her GI doc, info the doc sent about Crohn's, and a template from ccfa for 504s. She kept focusing on the fact that right now she's in remission, so it's "not affecting her ability to access the curriculum", therefore no 504. She set up a meeting with the nurse to discuss a health plan next week. What research I have done indicates that the disease should be treated as if it is active when determining the eligibility because of the unpredictability of episodic health conditions, but I don't know if that's a suggestion or a mandate for the school. She kept reassuring me that they would work out what I was asking for and didn't need a written plan, but that's asking for me to be on board with a non-binding verbal agreement, and I am not the idiot she'd like me to be! She said they would convene an emergency meeting if she had a flare up, but in what timeframe, and how exactly should I do that if my child is inpatient or home ill? Are there any motivators for a school to have fewer 504's? The accommodations would cost them nothing, are not outrageous, so what's the big deal in refusing? Thanks!
 
The school gets no money for 504 plans unlike an IEP
Which is federally funded therefore no incentive to put one in place .
Ask for the denial letter quote the Ada about episodic in nature.
DS has life threatening food allergies which is why he had a 504 at first .
That is episodic in nature as well but when it happens he can't breathe so major life function.
 
You have good points, tripletmom. If she flares again your mind is going to be so focused on her, not working out her 504 plan. By the time you get to it, she'll be in remission again. How is your school nurse to work with? Does she understand?

That video that JMRogers posted is awesome. Maybe send that to the nurse and principal?

Another point, for your daughter's peace of mind, it's good to have a 504. If she knows she has free access to the bathroom, etc, it's less stress and worry for her and that's almost just as important with these kids and especially with high achieving kids who already put pressure on themselves.

I'm preaching to the choir though. Sorry. I'll go look for the appeal info I have. What state are you in? MA?
 
I find his reasoning insane. There are a number of kids on the forum that are A students though they have had to be homebound tutored, hospitalized, missed more school than they attended. In fact, our GI mentioned at our first appointment that CD kids are most often type A personalities and generally refuse to let disease stop them from their goals. They tend to strive through pain to achieve what they perceive as normalcy in their academic and social life.

There is no guarantee on long remissions and emergency 504 meeting during a flare are nothing that a parent should have to be dealing with.

I hope you can get him to see your way, I agree with MLP that since the school doesn't receive money for 504(as opposed to IEP) they are not fond of jumping on the bandwagon.
 
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you can always go up a step to director as well send him/her info on why need for 504. There is usually a 504 coordinator for the district.
When Jack was first diagnosed and called for a 504 meeting the principal at the time was kind of the same way said he didn't need one we would just let everyone know that he could use the bathroom any time (Clearly she had no idea what all is involved with Crohn's). The school psychologist happened to walk by with the counselor and she asked them if they thought 504 was necessary and they both without hesitation told her absolutely.
See if you can find out who handles 504's in my school district it is the counselors are the leads with back up from school psychs. Principals aren't even generally involved.
 
Might I add my son is all about breaking molds, Type A would require him to disconnect himself from the xbox! HA!
 
See if you can find out who handles 504's in my school district it is the counselors are the leads with back up from school psychs. Principals aren't even generally involved.
^^^yeah that
My son was dx in 5th grade also. I talked to the school nurse and his teacher. The nurse mentioned a 504 and had me sign papers. She said she would coordinate with school counselor. It turns out the papers I signed was for her to get a copy of medical info so she could be in the loop if something happened. All went well in elementary school.
My son started a flare shortly before middle school started ( not uncommon from what I hear with new school yr.) The elementary school knew our son and us so they knew that he was a good kid and all was well. The middle school did not know us at all. We got the feeling they were leery that we were trying to game the system when we asked for the 504 but they worked with us. This year, his second in middle school, things went way smoother. We got all we asked for and they knew the 504 would not be abused.
So, if I had to do it over again... I would have gotten the 504 set up in the 5th grade so the beginning of 6th was not filled with anxiety regarding hitting the attendance requirements for the school recognition program due to absences due to dr apts and not feeling well.
Good luck and welcome.
 
I had no issues starting the 504 at my son's grade school. However, the principal never put it in the "system" and so the counselor at the middle school had no idea. I had no problem restarting the 504 either, just had to meet with the counselor to set about what he might need. remission is never permanent. I think it's weird that principals handle this stuff in grade schools, counselors manage it in middle and high schools and are better informed. If your daughter truly doesn't need provisions right now, it might be worth waiting til next year. I found grade school teachers were so accomodating anyway, that it was never an issue for making up work, bathroom passes. With multiple teachers in middle/high school, the 504 is necessary. Good luck!
 
I'm an ESE teacher but most of my experience is with IEPs and health plans. In our district a health plan informs the teacher, school nurse, and other staff members what should be done for the child if a health need arises. For example, I have a student with a pacemaker this year. She has a health plan that spells out for me warning signs that she may be having trouble and what I should do if those things occur. That information is restated in her IEP for easy access. Her health plan allows for zero accommodations. Her IEP allows for any accommodations or modifications that she may need due to her heart condition. A child does not need to be struggling academically to receive a 504 plan. Academic performance must be affected in some way to receive an IEP.
 
http://www.wrightslaw.com/info/sec504.index.htm

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Call 504 coordinator
Get denial of 504 in writing from the school
Write a letter of understanding to the principal citing your child was denied a 504 plan as recommended by the Ada for children with disease which affect a major life functions such as the gastrointestinal tract like Crohn's disease due to xyz reason and if you do not hear from the principal in x numbers of days you are assuming your understanding is correct

Call your local office of civil rights (OCR )


Good luck

This is great advice. Please, do not hesitate to call the OCR. I think people sometimes find the name a bit intimidating, but they reall are there to help keep things running smoothly. This is not a real decision for your principal to make. There is wide spread consensus that CD qualifies for a 504 so she doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. Emergency meeting is not an acceptable substitute. At that time, you'll be busy and unavailable to meet with the staff and it will be chasing the problem when you could just start off on top of things.
 
Short and Simple: Get a note from her GI doctor! A principal is not a doctor. He cannot determine her medical needs. And make sure you get one for her in High School. I got diagnosed in high school and was very close to not graduating on time. Luckily I did thanks to my 504.
 
I have been reviewing the links people have sent, and am putting it in my folder for Friday. I have decided to keep the meeting with the teacher, nurse, principal and school psychologist for the "health plan", but I am going to insist on a 504. I agree that the school IS accommodating, and I trust her primary teacher to do what she needs, but if I wait until middle school, they have 30 school days to respond to my request for a meeting, which would put us in October of next year. And my GI letter was a page and a half, single spaced, recommending the 504! Thanks so much for the feedback, everyone!
 

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