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I read somewhere when Devynn was first diagnosed, that kids (people in general I think) with IBD often have problems with their attention span and memory. Does this hold true with your child?
Devynn forgets her lunch bag (and homework) at school all the time. The lunch bag is a huge PITA because her school will just throw out wayward lunch bags. I have spoken to her doctor (ex doctor) and she didn't really answer my questions, just sort of shrugged and carried on with taking notes. I will def ask her new dr.
 
Hi,

I think it is partly the age of our girls.

I've noticed the same kind of things with B, but then I also noticed she could remember every detail about what she was interested in..... I dont worry quite as much, but it can be frustrating-lol.

It certainly is different when there is a flare or she is anemic. Of course then, she cant focus on too much of anything. (But I know you werent talking about those times)

Is it just sometimes she forgets/cant concentrate or all of the time?

P.S. I love that picture of your daughter.. beautiful :)
 
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J has been diagnosed with an attention disorder unrelated to ADHD. She also scores low on being able to process auditory input. However she has an incredible memory (scores very high) for working memory. Once it is in there it stays put! She doesn't forget things, but her learning issues are different. I am homeschooling her because junior high presented a really hard challenge in all the lecturing and notetaking. At home she learns through reading and writing, videos, hands-on activities and does fine. I'm sure each child has their own package...
 
Hi Julie,
Thank you :) I took that pic yesterday when she came home from school. Her cheeks were pink from the cold and she had just taken her braids out :)
She doesn't have a problem with concentration, its just the forgetting. She will forget her lunch bag or texts books at school, her goggles or something along those lines if we are swimming, she forgets things at friends houses if she goes to hang out... she just seems so much more forgetful than her older sibs. I'm hoping it will pass, but yes.. very frustrating! lol
 
Carolin, yes I'm sure you are right. They all have their own package. She does very well in school. I've never been told there is a problem with her attention (I've asked because of her forgetfulness). She can read a book in a room full of people with the TV on. I hope she grows out of it. Its getting so tiring having to be the one who remembers EVERYTHING. My Dad had an old saying, "You would forget your head if it wasn't attached" so maybe I was the same way? lol
 
Very weirdly Jaime forgot where the toilet was this morning at the Doctors!! She has been registered at the same Doctor since the day she was born!

I haven't noticed anything else, hoping just a 'blonde' moment!
 
Oh my I have IBD! :rosette1:Wait what was the question?

Grace has the mind of a four year old. Ask her to put toys away and she forgets. Ask her to put toys away for a piece of candy and she'll finish in less than a minute.:biggrin:
 
When we put E on the SCD, we did it for the purpose of crohn's. Even if it wasn't working so beautifully with the bowel symptoms, I would still be tempted to keep him on the diet for the improved focus. E would sit at the table for hours and work on math only to get half of the problems incorrect (all careless errors). Now, he is done in the appropriate amount of time and with only a few problems missed. He hasn't forgotten water bottles, lunch bags, etc in weeks. The other improvement is his attitude. He leaned toward negativity, moodiness, and sarcasm before. Now he is positive, easy going, and 180 degrees different in many ways. I am not telling you to try any diet, I am simply sharing my experience.

Oh and I love the new pic of Devynn. :)
 
Stephen is very, very forgetful! :ybatty: Just as you described - forgets things at friends' homes, forgot to tell me to call the doctor, when younger would forget his lunchbag or hockey equipment or a homework assignment at home, lunch money, bus money, etc.

I've sort of joked before that it is an EIM of his but have, at times, seriously wondered if there is any connection??? :eek: Then again, he has been like this for as long as I remember, well before his diagnosis so... probably, it is simply a personality characteristic... one, which I hope he will eventually grow out of!!! :)
 
Charleigh -- that is so interesting about the diet helping attention!

My older daughter (she's 7) is quite that way. She's healthy as a horse though so I chalk it up to being a second grader! She's actually quite intelligent and sometimes I think that contributes -- she's always got her nose in a book or is otherwise thinking or preoccupied, ya know?

Gracie is only 4 so I think it is hard to tell just yet! :)
 
LMAO Niks!! and Thank you! I took it yesterday :)

lol farmwife! Good idea, maybe I should offer her some kind of treat ;)

Thank you Charleigh :) Thats GREAT!! I will have to read up on that diet! Devynn has no problem getting work done etc, but forgetting.. omg. Its so frustrating.

Tess, I always thought the same thing. But my oldest saw some news report on IBD and forgetfulness. I will have to look into this a little more.
 
One connection that I do think is possible, or even likely, between IBD and forgetfulness would be vitamin or mineral deficiencies. A symptom of being low in certain vitamin/minerals is lack of focus, forgetfulness, etc. and, with absorption concerns, it would certainly be easy for any of our kids to be low in 'something'.
 
possible (probable) contributing factors:

1. micronutrient deficiencies including iron; see article below w/brief discussion and listing of some micronutrients that have been identified as affecting cognitive function in children


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3140638/

J Nutr. 2003 November; 133(11 Suppl 2): 3927S–3931S.

Micronutrient Deficiencies and Cognitive Functioning

Maureen M. Black

2. anxiety/stress - this doesn't go away just because a child is in good-fair remission - I know my son still wonders when the "other shoe" will drop but he doesn't talk about it a lot.

3. having an immune disorder affects many body systems - not just the gut in the case of IBD

J Neuropsychiatry Clin Neurosci. 2011 Fall; 23(1): 90–97.

The Emerging Link Between Autoimmune Disorders and Neuropsychiatric Disease

Dr. Matthew S. Kayser, M.D., Ph.D. and Dr. Josep Dalmau, M.D., Ph.D.

4. aging into cognitive/learning disability - many children who have language or other processing differences may do well in the early years of school when the demands are low or there is the ability to "copy" what their peers are doing. If you can't figure out what the teacher said to do you can always look at what the kid next to you is doing and do the same. As they rise through the grades children with learning differences typically begin to struggle at those grades where there are big changes in the expectations for learning. At those points many children are identified with learning differences who were previously thought to be "fine".

Tipping points are 4th grade when the expectation that you will be able to read and understand what you have read independently is the first big one. It is also the grade that most children start to learn fractions and encounter a higher requirement for the ability to do abstract thinking.

6th grade or transition to jr. high is another point where children age into their disability, again because the expectations suddenly increase in ways that are especially difficult for kids with learning differences. Greater independence in managing workload, increased workload, increased expectations for analytical and abstract thinking, greater expectations for social control and ability to endure longer periods in classrooms are obvious factors.

And of course then there's high school. Don't think I need to say much about why a child with learning differences who has managed to get by so far will hit the wall and need help.

You can always ask her school to do some basic assessment of cognitive function and attention, particularly if you conference with her teachers and they see a problem in the classroom.

I guess I would have her take her lunch in a plastic bag or paper one. If it's different from everyone else maybe she will be motivated to remember her lunch bag when she earns one back through doing odd jobs or such? Maybe helps an elderly or sick neighbor or family friend a couple of times?
 
Thank you Patricia, I will look at those links.
Her teachers have reassured me time and again that she doesn't have problems listening, paying attention, doing work etc at school. She is the kid who helps the kids who need help, helps the teacher etc.
I did make her take her lunch in a plastic bag for a few days. I told her any time she forgets and I have to go back to get it (doors are locked before and after school) she will have to use plastic for a week. So far, that seems to have worked ;)
 
selective deafness?

That can work 2 ways you know.

Another thing with kids who seem to have attentional issues can be hearing loss. It takes only a small amount of loss, even in one ear, to make speech hard to understand. The kid doesn't know to complain - he thinks it's that way for everyone.

It is not the kind of hearing loss that the pediatrician's or even the school's brief screening is likely to reveal.

So if your child has a hx of ear infections I would have his hearing checked by an audiologist too.

Badger has unilateral hearing loss and it was definitely a very invisible but substantial barrier to his success in school.

regarding the plastic lunch bag. I personally would make her earn the regular lunch bag back if she loses the next one. That's in addition to using a plastic bag until she has earned the lunch bag back. Making amends that way has been a valuable tool/lesson in our house (when we've managed to pull it off LOL). Maybe she does a sibling's chores for a week or something like that. And I wouldn't "threaten" or promise the consequence in advance. If it happens you just quietly inform her that the consequence this time is XYZ and then you turn and walk away. no arguing.
 
Oh no, she has never lost one. We've always gone back before they were thrown out. No threats here, I follow through.
 
Thank you :) I'm sure she's distracted at lunch! lol They hang their bags and the forgetting is after school. When they are dismissed, their bags are on hooks by the outside door. Which is also when she forgets to get her homework in her bag. lol
 
you do understand I inherited this gene from my mother that compels me to offer advice whenever it even remotely passes for socially acceptable and that it should in no way be construed as a negative reflection on you, your parenting, your children, your town or anything else to do with you when I persist in giving advice long after it becomes clear that it is probably not needed

right?
 
I think you are right, she does need a check list.
lmao no worries!! Advice is always welcome :) Some times its the simplest thing that you don't think of your self. Like a check list. I honestly never thought of it. BUT I am going to make her one.
 
I am so big on check lists. They really do help. I get tired of hearing myself repeat the same things over and over. I think Baylee just tunes me out. But a list cant be tuned out-lol
 
So true Julie and something so easy that I never thought of! Another reason I am SO SO happy I found this place.
 

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