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Hi Everyone,
So it was just announced in Toronto Canada that third doses are starting. Does anyone know how I book my third dose? I called my GI and left a message but I know my family dr and specialist are not administering vaccines. Do I go to a pharmacy? If there is anyone on here in Toronto, let me know!
thanks!
 
This was posted. People taking humira or Remicade do qualify.
 

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That is similar to the wording for the US version
It has wording that was not in all the news releases but was in the information sent to the pharmacies and on the US CDC website does Canada have a similar website for info ??
 
I wouldn't put that stuff in me for all the money in the world. I have enough problems with Crohn's and no one knows what the long term effects of this thing will be, especially tripling up on it. Lots of problems have been reported that are being downplayed.
 
Unfortunately, 'immunosuppressant medication' doesn't necessarily mean remicade, humira, etc. I went through this when I was trying to get my son his second dose at the manufacturer's schedule, rather than the Cdn govn's 16 week schedule. When I was trying to get my son's second dose 'early', his GI signed a letter stating that he qualified for an early dose. However, when we tried to get his second dose, at multiple clinics/hospitals, we were always told remicade for crohns didn't qualify for early second dose.

As per the news article below, which I believe is from a government site, there are specific requirements to qualify as 'immunosuppressant' - both in diagnosis and type of medication. I did just a bit of research as to what are anti-CD20 medications - I didn't find remicade or humira in the list of drugs.


Based on the recommendation of the Chief Medical Officer of Health and health experts, the province will begin offering third doses of a COVID-19 vaccine to select vulnerable populations:
  • Transplant recipients (including solid organ transplant and hematopoietic stem cell transplants)
  • Patients with hematological cancers (examples include lymphoma, myeloma, leukemia) on active treatment (chemotherapy, targeted therapies, immunotherapy) for malignant hematologic disorders
  • Recipients of an anti-CD20 agent (e.g. rituximab, ocrelizumab, ofatumumab)
  • Residents of high-risk congregate settings including long-term care homes, higher-risk licensed retirement homes and First Nations elder care lodges
https://news.ontario.ca/en/backgrounder/1000751/ontarios-updated-covid-19-vaccination-eligibility

Hopefully, your GI can provide you with some info.

I'd love to get my son's third dose asap!! It would certainly relieve alot of my worries too. :( If you do find other info, please share! :)

(FWIW, as third doses are being considered by Health Canada, I am hopeful it's only a matter of time... IDK if it'll help you before school starts but, hopefully, it won't be too much later)
 
Tesscorm said:
Unfortunately, 'immunosuppressant medication' doesn't necessarily mean remicade, humira, etc. I went through this when I was trying to get my son his second dose at the manufacturer's schedule, rather than the Cdn govn's 16 week schedule. When I was trying to get my son's second dose 'early', his GI signed a letter stating that he qualified for an early dose. However, when we tried to get his second dose, at multiple clinics/hospitals, we were always told remicade for crohns didn't qualify for early second dose.

As per the news article below, which I believe is from a government site, there are specific requirements to qualify as 'immunosuppressant' - both in diagnosis and type of medication. I did just a bit of research as to what are anti-CD20 medications - I didn't find remicade or humira in the list of drugs.


Based on the recommendation of the Chief Medical Officer of Health and health experts, the province will begin offering third doses of a COVID-19 vaccine to select vulnerable populations:
  • Transplant recipients (including solid organ transplant and hematopoietic stem cell transplants)
  • Patients with hematological cancers (examples include lymphoma, myeloma, leukemia) on active treatment (chemotherapy, targeted therapies, immunotherapy) for malignant hematologic disorders
  • Recipients of an anti-CD20 agent (e.g. rituximab, ocrelizumab, ofatumumab)
  • Residents of high-risk congregate settings including long-term care homes, higher-risk licensed retirement homes and First Nations elder care lodges
https://news.ontario.ca/en/backgrounder/1000751/ontarios-updated-covid-19-vaccination-eligibility

Hopefully, your GI can provide you with some info.

I'd love to get my son's third dose asap!! It would certainly relieve alot of my worries too. :( If you do find other info, please share! :)

(FWIW, as third doses are being considered by Health Canada, I am hopeful it's only a matter of time... IDK if it'll help you before school starts but, hopefully, it won't be too much later)
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Ok, thanks for this info. I should be getting a call today so I will definitely update any info. I’m not too worried about school, last year I taught in a school that had lots of covid, with mask and shield I was well protected and went to my car to eat.
 
I ran it by my doctor and she will administer my 3rd dose when the Ontario government announces the green light for it unless I can get it at my pharmacy where I had my second shot. The sooner the better, as I worry about the variants and further complications that may arise as we head into the fall and winter seasons.
 
Bufford said:
I ran it by my doctor and she will administer my 3rd dose when the Ontario government announces the green light for it unless I can get it at my pharmacy where I had my second shot. The sooner the better, as I worry about the variants and further complications that may arise as we head into the fall and winter seasons.
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What medication are you taking?
 
As I was ore occupied I'm not 100% but what I did pick up is a lot of data is coming from Israel and being used in usa and uk.
Something to do with biden announcing 3rd doses, and almost 50% of hospital admissions are now immune suppressed, they said something about old data and admison rates I think were 95% of non vaccinated people.

But sorry I don't know the exact country, more than likely the news will repeat it. A lot.
 
Numbers in the media
There are a small percentage of vaccinated individuals who are hospitalized with COVID .
Of that small percent who are vaccinate AND hospitalized 40-50% of those folks are immunocompromised (organ transplants ,cancer patient and other which may include those taking biologics (depends on the countries definition of varies )

So if 4 people who are vaccinated are hospitalized then 1-2 are probably immunocompromised

This is why most countries are offering the third shot (not booster ) to immunocompromised folks
 
The booster at least is the US is being offered later in the fall /winter in the US based on Israel and drug trials etc sent to the US CDC which show 6-8 months after the second dose of Pfizer or Moderna antibodies /protect are reduced on the average person (which is not the same as the immunocompromised third shot )
 
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my little penguin said:
Numbers in the media
There are a small percentage of vaccinated individuals who are hospitalized with COVID .
Of that small percent who are vaccinate AND hospitalized 40-50% of those folks are immunocompromised (organ transplants ,cancer patient and other which may include those taking biologics (depends on the countries definition of varies )

So if 4 people who are vaccinated are hospitalized then 1-2 are probably immunocompromised

This is why most countries are offering the third shot (not booster ) to immunocompromised folks
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Yes, this makes sense. My GI dr called today and said currently in Toronto, people taking immune suppressant meds don’t qualify for third dose unless it’s a transplant patient or cancer patient. He did say that he thinks in the next phase of third shots will include people like myself. So until then I will be cautious like I have been for the last 18 months.
 
westernbuddy said:
As I was ore occupied I'm not 100% but what I did pick up is a lot of data is coming from Israel and being used in usa and uk.
Something to do with biden announcing 3rd doses, and almost 50% of hospital admissions are now immune suppressed, they said something about old data and admison rates I think were 95% of non vaccinated people.

But sorry I don't know the exact country, more than likely the news will repeat it. A lot.
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Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world AND is now among the highest rate of active COVID infections. Everyone take that to mean what you will.

I talked to a friend this morning who works in one of the supposedly over-run hospitals. Said that almost all of the COVID cases there were admitted for another reason and just happened to test positive for COVID. Most have few if any symptoms. And most were vaccinated versus not.

Be careful with what any of the media says. Remember - fear sells......
 
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Just some thoughts...

I wish they would make the number of new hospitalizations as public as they do new cases. I don't believe new cases which result in few to no symptoms are as problematic or indicative of a more serious issue as new hospitalizations. No vaccine has promised to be 100% protective of preventing catching the virus but they are significantly protective of developing serious illness. (The caveat is that the original vaccines were not developed to fight the variants, hence new hospitalizations would be a more useful number.)

Personally, I think it is misleading when headlines highlight new cases only.

As well, I think 'vulnerable' and 'immune-compromised' are often lumped together. Vulnerable may mean seniors in their 80s, 90s, people with pre-existing conditions AS WELL as those who are immune-compromised due to meds or illness. I believe Israel has started 3rd doses not just to immune-comprised but to vulnerable people, which I believe include people 50 and over.

Also, keep in mind Israel was one of the first countries to begin vaccinating their population. If protection is lessening by 8 months (which is what I believe CDC has alluded to), then it does make sense that their numbers are rising.

One last thought... as much as countries do not want lockdowns due to the impact on economies, having a large number of positive cases equals a large number of people in isolation, double that number when you add in live-in family members and you now have quite a few people unable to work outside of home for a few days. This, too, will have a running impact on the economy. It may be a better option to lock down for a short time?? So, a lockdown isn't necessarily a reaction to health risk.
 
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Tesscorm said:
Just some thoughts...

I wish they would make the number of new hospitalizations as public as they do new cases. I don't believe new cases which result in few to no symptoms are as problematic or indicative of a more serious issue as new hospitalizations. No vaccine has promised to be 100% protective of preventing catching the virus but they are significantly protective of developing serious illness. (The caveat is that the original vaccines were not developed to fight the variants, hence new hospitalizations would be a more useful number.)

Personally, I think it is misleading when headlines highlight new cases only.

As well, I think 'vulnerable' and 'immune-compromised' are often lumped together. Vulnerable may mean seniors in their 80s, 90s, people with pre-existing conditions AS WELL as those who are immune-compromised due to meds or illness. I believe Israel has started 3rd doses not just to immune-comprised but to vulnerable people, which I believe include people 50 and over.

Also, keep in mind Israel was one of the first countries to begin vaccinating their population. If protection is lessening by 8 months (which is what I believe CDC has alluded to), then it does make sense that their numbers are rising.

One last thought... as much as countries do not want lockdowns due to the impact on economies, having a large number of positive cases equals a large number of people in isolation, double that number when you add in live-in family members and you now have quite a few people unable to work outside of home for a few days. This, too, will have a running impact on the economy. It may be a better option to lock down for a short time?? So, a lockdown isn't necessarily a reaction to health risk.
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I agree with your post. I would rather know new hospital cases then new cases in general. Or new cases that are severely ill, I’m not sure I need to know who is home with sniffles.
The third dose I think in Israel has moved to anyone 40 and older, my GI said we will be following them and the US, so in the meantime I’m going to continue what I’m doing, wearing my mask indoors and enjoy time with my family and friends in my backyard.
locldowns are tough, especially the one Ontario just went through. I would like to see another option to a lockdown, not sure what that is, but it’s devastating for a lot of people, businesses and kids. My son is an only child so the lockdown meant no in person learning, no swimming lessons, no hockey, no seeing family or friends, after awhile that becomes extremely difficult. But we are getting through and continue to be thankful each day that we are healthy.
 
Tesscorm said:
I wish they would make the number of new hospitalizations as public as they do new cases. I don't believe new cases which result in few to no symptoms are as problematic or indicative of a more serious issue as new hospitalizations.....Personally, I think it is misleading when headlines highlight new cases only.
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Exactly!

Here in Maryland, one of our local stations has started reporting the overall positive number plus the number of new hospitalizations. For example, yesterday's numbers were reported as 1,012 new cases and 19 new hospitalizations. 19/1,012 is about 1.9% rounded up. So of yesterday's new cases, 98.1% did not require hospitalization. That number is much more likely to draw a yawn and a shrug versus "1,012 new cases today!", which can induce sheer terror if it's presented right.

One last thought... as much as countries do not want lockdowns due to the impact on economies, having a large number of positive cases equals a large number of people in isolation, double that number when you add in live-in family members and you now have quite a few people unable to work outside of home for a few days. This, too, will have a running impact on the economy. It may be a better option to lock down for a short time?? So, a lockdown isn't necessarily a reaction to health risk.
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Anybody else remember "14 days to slow the spread" when this lockdown insanity first hit last Spring? That was the mantra of all the media outlets. 14 days ended up turning into almost 4 months of complete lockdowns and even longer for businesses like restaurants. I personally know a family who owned a small restaurant since the 1950s that didn't survive the lockdowns. A lot more small business owners were in the same boat - they lost everything. My heart really goes out to all our friends in Australia and New Zealand who are going through another round of this junk. Many people hadn't recovered financially from the first one.
 
Mountaineer01 said:
Exactly!

Here in Maryland, one of our local stations has started reporting the overall positive number plus the number of new hospitalizations. For example, yesterday's numbers were reported as 1,012 new cases and 19 new hospitalizations. 19/1,012 is about 1.9% rounded up. So of yesterday's new cases, 98.1% did not require hospitalization. That number is much more likely to draw a yawn and a shrug versus "1,012 new cases today!", which can induce sheer terror if it's presented right.



Anybody else remember "14 days to slow the spread" when this lockdown insanity first hit last Spring? That was the mantra of all the media outlets. 14 days ended up turning into almost 4 months of complete lockdowns and even longer for businesses like restaurants. I personally know a family who owned a small restaurant since the 1950s that didn't survive the lockdowns. A lot more small business owners were in the same boat - they lost everything. My heart really goes out to all our friends in Australia and New Zealand who are going through another round of this junk. Many people hadn't recovered financially from the first one.
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I agree. 4 months for you? My lockdown here in Toronto was the longest lockdown in the world, 7.5 months of no restaurants, no salon, no in person shopping, everything closed. It was beyond terrible and devastating for so many people. I agree with your numbers, how it’s being told to us sends fear.
 
There were some businesses (sit down restaurants, theaters, gyms, etc.) that were shut down longer. Church services could only be held virtually, then at 25% capacity, then 50%, then finally back to full capacity this May. Baltimore City didn't completely ease restrictions until almost this June.
 
Mountaineer01 said:
There were some businesses (sit down restaurants, theaters, gyms, etc.) that were shut down longer. Church services could only be held virtually, then at 25% capacity, then 50%, then finally back to full capacity this May. Baltimore City didn't completely ease restrictions until almost this June.
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I had a few students and their families had their own business and they could barely put food on the table, all the help promised from the government never seem to come.
 
Very sad for many people. I've always worked in the downtown core and I don't know how those businesses will survive. Even if they've held on thus far, the ability to make back the losses of the last two years will be hard to achieve. Even when employees return to offices, it will not be at the same numbers... becoming more and more apparent that the new norm will be lots of flex hours/days - meaning those downtown businesses will never have the same number of customers they once had. :( Most people I know are expecting to go back to offices 2-4 days per week; I'm expecting to go in 2 days. That means only 2 days when I'll be buying coffees, lunches, snacks, shopping, etc. Pre-COVID, that spending was 5 days a week. Over the past few months, I've gone in to office every few weeks and, each time, I've seen more and more small businesses permanently closed. Many were family owned, with many having multiple family members working there. I feel very sorry for them and I hope they did receive govn support, even if only temporary.
 
Lam123 said:
I agree with your post. I would rather know new hospital cases then new cases in general. Or new cases that are severely ill, I’m not sure I need to know who is home with sniffles.
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Here in San Diego, the county health department releases new statistiscs each week including for hospitalizations, not just total cases. In both hospitalizations and new cases the differences between the fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated are striking:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/cont...VID-19 Case Summary by Vaccination Status.pdf

Fortunately, the percentages of the population that has been vaccinated is fairly high: 73.6%

https://sdcounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/c0f4b16356b840478dfdd50d1630ff2a
 
Scipio said:
Here in San Diego, the county health department releases new statistiscs each week including for hospitalizations, not just total cases. In both hospitalizations and new cases the differences between the fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated are striking:

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/COVID-19 Case Summary by Vaccination Status.pdf

Fortunately, the percentages of the population that has been vaccinated is fairly high: 73.6%

https://sdcounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/c0f4b16356b840478dfdd50d1630ff2a
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Thank you for sharing. This is such a good breakdown.
 
westernbuddy said:
I just saw on the television briefly, almost 50% of hospital admissions now are people who are immune suppressed.
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Not a surprise unfortunately... In Canada, there was absolutely NO information on the news telling immunocompromised patients to still be careful after vaccination. I've found this so irresponsible. It took forever for immunocompromised people to get standard vaccination schedule on top of it. This matter was completely eluded during mainstream vaccination campaign.
 
Lady Organic said:
Not a surprise unfortunately... In Canada, there was absolutely NO information on the news telling immunocompromised patients to still be careful after vaccination. I've found this so irresponsible. It took forever for immunocompromised people to get standard vaccination schedule on top of it. This matter was completely eluded during mainstream vaccination campaign.
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I agree. I didn’t even realize we were not protected by vaccine until I read on here, the news in Toronto said nothing and has given very little info for third shots now.
 
As an engineer, I can say based on my 22 years' experience in the field that ANY product, I don't care if it's an engine, radio, computer, pharmaceutical, or whatever, that is rushed through development and testing is going to have problems. Some problems are minor, some are major and many take time to manifest. The vaccine has already proven itself to be ineffective - otherwise, there wouldn't be any of the talk about third shots and the 'where do we go from here?' banter. We also wouldn't be seeing a second wave in the middle of summer of all times that seems to be striking just as many vaccinated as non-vaccinated people. Many pandemics had a second wave that looked like a harmonic of the original. For example, during the Spanish Flu, the curve took off in September 1918, reaching a peak in October/November 1918. Then, there was a second smaller wave in the late winter/early spring of 1919. By the summer of 1919, it had flattened again.

The FDA in the US should be ashamed of themselves for approving this thing so fast, especially when the jury is still out about overall effectiveness, which seems to be decreasing by the day, and long term effects that are still unknown and still being documented. Look at how long it's taken to get many of the drugs we take to make our lives easier approved. And rightfully so - those conducting the testing were doing their jobs and rigorously documenting the effectiveness of the drug along with potential side effects and associated possible long term risks. Then and only then was the drug recommended for full approval. For the shot, there is already documented evidence of myocarditis and blood clots in people who would not normally be pre-disposed to them (for example, males aged 18-25 or so) along with neurological issues and other ailments that cannot be explained. I personally knew one person who threw a clot and died after taking their second shot and have a family member who went blind in one eye due to a blood clot after taking the second shot. In any other situation, this kind of evidence would be enough for the shot to not get approved, or at least would warrant further testing and scrutiny before approval would be considered.

I'm not saying anyone should or should not get the shot or a potential booster, nor am I judging those who did or did not. Like everything else in life, it should be a matter of personal choice based on one's own risk assessment done by analyzing all the data available. I don't like how some employers are starting to demand it as a condition of employment. Some are even so bold they are not accepting medical documentation saying a person should not take the shot. In any other time, this would be an instant lawsuit, at least in the US.

Also, be careful with anything you hear in the media and independently verify anything from all sources. As I said before "fear sells". All the talking heads here are going on and on about the numbers going up, yet very few are mentioning that less than 2% of the new cases have required hospitalization. All data points are required to tell the complete story and unfortunately, many media outlets omit critical information.

Wishing all of you the best of health and luck.
 
Mountaineer01 said:
As an engineer, I can say based on my 22 years' experience in the field that ANY product, I don't care if it's an engine, radio, computer, pharmaceutical, or whatever, that is rushed through development and testing is going to have problems. Some problems are minor, some are major and many take time to manifest. The vaccine has already proven itself to be ineffective - otherwise, there wouldn't be any of the talk about third shots and the 'where do we go from here?' banter. We also wouldn't be seeing a second wave in the middle of summer of all times that seems to be striking just as many vaccinated as non-vaccinated people. Many pandemics had a second wave that looked like a harmonic of the original. For example, during the Spanish Flu, the curve took off in September 1918, reaching a peak in October/November 1918. Then, there was a second smaller wave in the late winter/early spring of 1919. By the summer of 1919, it had flattened again.

The FDA in the US should be ashamed of themselves for approving this thing so fast, especially when the jury is still out about overall effectiveness, which seems to be decreasing by the day, and long term effects that are still unknown and still being documented. Look at how long it's taken to get many of the drugs we take to make our lives easier approved. And rightfully so - those conducting the testing were doing their jobs and rigorously documenting the effectiveness of the drug along with potential side effects and associated possible long term risks. Then and only then was the drug recommended for full approval. For the shot, there is already documented evidence of myocarditis and blood clots in people who would not normally be pre-disposed to them (for example, males aged 18-25 or so) along with neurological issues and other ailments that cannot be explained. I personally knew one person who threw a clot and died after taking their second shot and have a family member who went blind in one eye due to a blood clot after taking the second shot. In any other situation, this kind of evidence would be enough for the shot to not get approved, or at least would warrant further testing and scrutiny before approval would be considered.

I'm not saying anyone should or should not get the shot or a potential booster, nor am I judging those who did or did not. Like everything else in life, it should be a matter of personal choice based on one's own risk assessment done by analyzing all the data available. I don't like how some employers are starting to demand it as a condition of employment. Some are even so bold they are not accepting medical documentation saying a person should not take the shot. In any other time, this would be an instant lawsuit, at least in the US.

Also, be careful with anything you hear in the media and independently verify anything from all sources. As I said before "fear sells". All the talking heads here are going on and on about the numbers going up, yet very few are mentioning that less than 2% of the new cases have required hospitalization. All data points are required to tell the complete story and unfortunately, many media outlets omit critical information.

Wishing all of you the best of health and luck.
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Thank you for the info and perspective. I find myself in a constant back and forth with being protected, and bending careful but again not missing out on too much. For example, I never saw my family last Christmas, and so I’m not sure I want to spend another Christmas without my parents, who knows how many more Christmas I have with them, but I also don’t want to end up in ICU or spread something to them. I am always looking at the new cases, but you are right, and my husband keeps telling me the same, new hospitalization is what matters. Not new cases.
 
Even the hospitalization numbers can be misleading because they are taken out of context. The friend I mentioned earlier who works in a hospital told me two days ago the medics brought in a 93 year old lady who was experiencing complications related to congestive heart failure. She was admitted and was tested for COVID while she was there. She tested positive even though she did not exhibit any symptoms. By testing positive and being in the hospital, she is considered a hospitalized case and added to the official count, even though she was admitted for CHF.

I know it's frustrating not seeing family and friends because of lockdowns and other restrictions. My personal advice would be to visit with them, but make sure common sense applies. Stay a couple of arms length apart from everyone if possible. If you or someone else in your family is sick or may be sick, re-schedule for another date when everyone is feeling better. We've visited my wife's parents several times and have abided by similar protocols and no one has gotten sick.
 
Mountaineer01 said:
Even the hospitalization numbers can be misleading because they are taken out of context. The friend I mentioned earlier who works in a hospital told me two days ago the medics brought in a 93 year old lady who was experiencing complications related to congestive heart failure. She was admitted and was tested for COVID while she was there. She tested positive even though she did not exhibit any symptoms. By testing positive and being in the hospital, she is considered a hospitalized case and added to the official count, even though she was admitted for CHF.

I know it's frustrating not seeing family and friends because of lockdowns and other restrictions. My personal advice would be to visit with them, but make sure common sense applies. Stay a couple of arms length apart from everyone if possible. If you or someone else in your family is sick or may be sick, re-schedule for another date when everyone is feeling better. We've visited my wife's parents several times and have abided by similar protocols and no has gotten sick.
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I think moving forward that is my plan. Right now and for the next month or so I can still see everyone outside safely. But once winter hits, I will find a way safely
 
Found this from U of M
Explains in a lot of detail the need for the third dose and why
https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/w...ome-people-need-a-third-dose-of-covid-vaccine
@Lam123
Please talk to your Gi prior to visiting indoors at the time
Risks are constantly changing and what is recommended is very individualized and specific to that person/situation may be different when you decide to visit .

There are no solid answers
No right path

We go with what my kiddos specialists recommend for him at the time .

Everyone in the household wears masks out in public and avoids crowds

He does not go out unnecessarily to any indoor places (except doctors etc..)

Visiting
As of right now that is outside with a multiple layer mask / 6 ft or more with vaccinated teenage friends. .
Yours may recommend different measures
As stated before he is on two biologics and mtx
With asthma as well so a different scenario than most.

We have seen what his system does when stressed by simple flu (prior to be vaccinated against it at age 2) .
 
my little penguin said:
Found this from U of M
Explains in a lot of detail the need for the third dose and why
https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/w...ome-people-need-a-third-dose-of-covid-vaccine
@Lam123
Please talk to your Gi prior to visiting indoors at the time
Risks are constantly changing and what is recommended is very individualized and specific to that person/situation may be different when you decide to visit .

There are no solid answers
No right path

We go with what my kiddos specialists recommend for him at the time .

Everyone in the household wears masks out in public and avoids crowds

He does not go out unnecessarily to any indoor places (except doctors etc..)

Visiting
As of right now that is outside with a multiple layer mask / 6 ft or more with vaccinated teenage friends. .
Yours may recommend different measures
As stated before he is on two biologics and mtx
With asthma as well so a different scenario than most.
We have seen what his system does when stressed by simple flu (prior to be vaccinated against it at age 2) .
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Absolutely. I will be seeing my GI next week and have this discussion with him. I always take his advice and trust him. I haven’t seen anyone indoors in my house since before covid. I always wear a mask indoors and never anywhere with a crowd. The summer has been wonderful seeing everyone outdoors safely.
 
It's true that there are risks associated with the COVID vaccines. There are risks associated with any vaccine or any medicine for that matter. But it is obvious in the numbers that the risks associated with the disease are far greater and far more likely to result in a very bad outcome than the risks from the vaccine.

Those ICUs filling up with COVID patients are not an illusion.
 
Take a look at the current (as of Aug. 17) COVID-19 case rate, hospitalization rate, and death rate here in San Diego County for fully vaccinated vs non-fully vaccinated residents. The differences are huge. And this is in spite of the fact that over 70% of the eligible population of the county has been fully vaccinated.

A 24-fold majority of the COVID cases, a 116-fold majority of the COVID hospitalizations, and an 84-fold majority of the COVID deaths are all coming from less than 1/3rd of the population - the portion that is not fully vaccinated. Numbers like these are compelling. The huge benefits of the vaccine are undeniable.

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I personally know of several people who have lost loved ones to covid-19. One fellow I know lost his mom and dad within three days of each other. I can assure you all it's very real. A little needle poke is nothing compared to people you love dying. Personally, I chose to take both doses of Pfizer and everything went fine.
 
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My wife has been told by her cardiologist to get the 3rd Pfizer vaccine when she can, hopefully very soon. She is afraid that, because of her Heart Failure and Pulmonary Hypertension, that if she gets covid she will die! Given her health condition, it is not a unwarranted fear. As far as the "booster" shot, is it any different from the flu vaccine, where you must get vaccinated every year to deal with the current variant of the flu? I'm not surprised at all about Covid variants coming about.
 
That "little needle poke" has had catastrophic effects on many people. As of 23 August in the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. Government, there are 514,270 adverse reaction reports to the COVID vaccine and 5,118 documented deaths. These are only the instances that have been documented. Some doctors are saying the actual numbers are probably at least twice that and go unreported since there has been a fear culture created in the medical community about retaliation if one is to say any negative truths about the vaccine. In addition, we still don't know what the long term effects are. I'm still very afraid of this thing and see it as a game of Russian roulette. Five of the six chambers in the cylinder may be empty, but I don't feel lucky enough to squeeze the trigger and find out.

No vaccine in history has had numbers like this - it should have been recalled long ago. My understanding is that Japan has already pulled the Moderna version and will not use it.
 
Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. I can respect that we all have a right to freedom of speech and expression. I have never tried (nor ever will) to upset anyone who may disagree with my point of view... I want to share my story so others can learn from my personal experience. No prejudice here. Peace!
 
Mountaineer01 said:
That "little needle poke" has had catastrophic effects on many people. As of 23 August in the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. Government, there are 514,270 adverse reaction reports to the COVID vaccine and 5,118 documented deaths. These are only the instances that have been documented. Some doctors are saying the actual numbers are probably at least twice that and go unreported since there has been a fear culture created in the medical community about retaliation if one is to say any negative truths about the vaccine. In addition, we still don't know what the long term effects are. I'm still very afraid of this thing and see it as a game of Russian roulette. Five of the six chambers in the cylinder may be empty, but I don't feel lucky enough to squeeze the trigger and find out.

No vaccine in history has had numbers like this - it should have been recalled long ago. My understanding is that Japan has already pulled the Moderna version and will not use it.
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I just wanted to add some context to this. This is from the CDC website:
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Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 369 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 30, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,218 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of August 25, 2021, more than 14.2 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 44 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS. Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
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Also, the reason that Japan pulled the Moderna vaccine this week is that they found vials with contaminants in them. The problem was not with the vaccine itself.
 
Scipio said:
Take a look at the current (as of Aug. 17) COVID-19 case rate, hospitalization rate, and death rate here in San Diego County for fully vaccinated vs non-fully vaccinated residents. The differences are huge. And this is in spite of the fact that over 70% of the eligible population of the county has been fully vaccinated.

A 24-fold majority of the COVID cases, a 116-fold majority of the COVID hospitalizations, and an 84-fold majority of the COVID deaths are all coming from less than 1/3rd of the population - the portion that is not fully vaccinated. Numbers like these are compelling. The huge benefits of the vaccine are undeniable.

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I’m back on the forum after a long time, way before COVID and it’s refreshing to see a post like this! I got my 3rd dose a few weeks ago from my medical provider. Happy to do what I can!
 
Lady Organic said:
Does anyone know when is the best timing to take the third dose?
how many weeks or months after the 2nd shot?
I had my 2nd shot in June.
I'm am in the low range of protection (blood test confirming).
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I got my third dose this week (arm still sore), and I got my second dose last February. But I don't think you need to wait nearly that long. If you are already in the low range of protection I'd say there is no time like the present for that third dose.
 
Mountaineer01 said:
That "little needle poke" has had catastrophic effects on many people. As of 23 August in the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. Government, there are 514,270 adverse reaction reports to the COVID vaccine and 5,118 documented deaths. These are only the instances that have been documented. Some doctors are saying the actual numbers are probably at least twice that and go unreported since there has been a fear culture created in the medical community about retaliation if one is to say any negative truths about the vaccine. In addition, we still don't know what the long term effects are. I'm still very afraid of this thing and see it as a game of Russian roulette. Five of the six chambers in the cylinder may be empty, but I don't feel lucky enough to squeeze the trigger and find out.

No vaccine in history has had numbers like this - it should have been recalled long ago. My understanding is that Japan has already pulled the Moderna version and will not use it.
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Please be careful about using the VAERS database to conclude that there are any problems with the covid vaccine. Anyone is allowed to add to the VAERS database. Just because someone has a particular symptom after they had the vaccine, does not at all prove that the vaccine caused the problem.

Truth is that hospitals are filling up with people suffering from Covid-19 illness. No hospital is filling up with people suffering from vaccine related illness. The hospital where I work currently has about 40 covid patients. We have had zero vaccine related illness patients. Serious reactions to the vaccine are rare.
 
Lam123 said:
Hi Everyone,
So it was just announced in Toronto Canada that third doses are starting. Does anyone know how I book my third dose? I called my GI and left a message but I know my family dr and specialist are not administering vaccines. Do I go to a pharmacy? If there is anyone on here in Toronto, let me know!
thanks!
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I got my third dose (booster) 18 days ago and with IBD you absolutely qualify. I'm not too sure why people are saying why we wouldn't. Also not too sure how appointments work in Canada but I went to CVS in a Target store.
 
Dead&Bloated said:
I got my third dose (booster) 18 days ago and with IBD you absolutely qualify. I'm not too sure why people are saying why we wouldn't. Also not too sure how appointments work in Canada but I went to CVS in a Target store.
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And the best part about going to a CVS located in a Target store is that if you get the vaccine they also give you a coupon worth $5.00 on any purchase at Target. They do that for flu shots too. Stand-alone CVS stores do not do that.
 
cmack said:
How is everyone doing?
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I'm doing fine. I got my 3rd dose two weeks ago, and I had a sore arm for about 4 days. That's it. No other ill effects. The guy at CVS who injected me said that people getting 3rd doses generally have about the same reaction that they had to the 2nd dose. And that was my experience as well - a 2nd dose rerun.
 
I’m doing fine. I had my 3rd dose a week ago, felt a bit off that night, woke up the next morning feeling back to normal. Same reaction as second dose.
 
I had my 3rd dose on 9/22. I've had no problems with the 3rd dose. But I will still continue to wear my face mask when I am around people.
 
Lynda Lynda said:
I live in someone else's home. The homeowner is an 88 year old lady. We both spend a lot of time at home. I am retired. Some people that come into the house wear face masks and some don't. I do my best to protect myself at home, but normally inside the house I never wear a face mask. My landlord has visitors but I am normally in my room when they are here. I cannot control what my landlord or her visitors do, I can only try to do what is best for myself in my current living arrangement.
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Yes, very true.
 
Covid prevent study now is getting antibody levels after the 3rd shot
Ds just got the email
I will update once he gets the antibody test results back
He got his third shot in August after it was fda recommended
 
my little penguin said:
Covid prevent study now is getting antibody levels after the 3rd shot
Ds just got the email
I will update once he gets the antibody test results back
He got his third shot in August after it was fda recommended
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I had blood drawn on Thursday morning for the study, and the booster done Thursday afternoon...so hopefully when I get blood drawn again in 2 weeks it will show a difference!
 
I just reviewed my lab results and see something interesting - this is through Johns Hopkins - labwork was done by LabCorp -

Antibody levels -
June 15, 2001 - 451.0
April 13 - >250 (not sure why it was shown differently)
Sept 30 - 188.0

So, a SIGNIFICANT drop between June-September. Will be interesting to see what the results will be in 2 weeks!
 
Lisa said:
I just reviewed my lab results and see something interesting - this is through Johns Hopkins - labwork was done by LabCorp -

Antibody levels -
June 15, 2001 - 451.0
April 13 - >250 (not sure why it was shown differently)
Sept 30 - 188.0

So, a SIGNIFICANT drop between June-September. Will be interesting to see what the results will be in 2 weeks!
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So is 188 considered good protection?
 
@Lam123
They don’t know yet what is a good number
And …
Each lab /test type has a different scale
To make it even more confusing
My kiddos antibodies 3 months after the Covid vaccine shot
Done through university North Carolina chapel hill was 91 which was considered off the charts high
But no units and blood test was through lab corp

the good thing is his next test will be through the same research program and lab corp so it apples to apples
 
my little penguin said:
@Lam123
They don’t know yet what is a good number
And …
Each lab /test type has a different scale
To make it even more confusing
My kiddos antibodies 3 months after the Covid vaccine shot
Done through university North Carolina chapel hill was 91 which was considered off the charts high
But no units and blood test was through lab corp

the good thing is his next test will be through the same research program and lab corp so it apples to apples
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My levels are taken for the same study…. The June levels were my 3 month post-2nd short….. so if you were told 91 was off the charts high, mine were in outer space!🙄🙄
 
The most shocking data I can see on that is not to do with covid, but only 33% of ibd patients are in remission.

That's really very bad.

Makes you wonder if the meds are even doing anything.

Remicade being the leading medication.
 
@westernbuddy
The studies definition of remission is not a clinical definition

the survey doesn’t define things well
It asks if you rarely had symptoms (a few days total ) or 1-2 days a month
This includes another 1000 people in those categories which when added to full remission that’s 2/3 of the folks
So I would take that with a grain of salt
My kiddo would have answered 1-2 days a month
Back at the beginning of the survey why because if he had even a single day of a stomach ache
That was considered a symptom
But not flaring by no means
 
Just had my Prevent Study draw today and had my third dose on September 1. First draw had me in the highest segment of the histogram so hoping for the same this time. Having to have surgery (and travel for it) later this month so want all the protection science can give!
 
Scipio said:
Take a look at the current (as of Aug. 17) COVID-19 case rate, hospitalization rate, and death rate here in San Diego County for fully vaccinated vs non-fully vaccinated residents. The differences are huge. And this is in spite of the fact that over 70% of the eligible population of the county has been fully vaccinated.

A 24-fold majority of the COVID cases, a 116-fold majority of the COVID hospitalizations, and an 84-fold majority of the COVID deaths are all coming from less than 1/3rd of the population - the portion that is not fully vaccinated. Numbers like these are compelling. The huge benefits of the vaccine are undeniable.

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Figures for the NSW (Australia) outbreak but 4% hospitalisations are fully vaccinated, and 12% deaths are fully vaccinated. The youngest death in the fully vaccinated group was in there 50s (single death), the rest were over the age of 60. The majority of the hospitalisations are under the age of 40, due in most part to the under 40 age groups only started to become eligible for vaccinated in September (unless in a high priority group). Total deaths 311 (Total deaths 439)

As of today NSW has 978 in hospital, 190 in ICU, active cases 8,571 - today
52.7% fully vaccinated 18 September 2021.
82.2% one does 18 September 2021
 
Mountaineer01 said:
That "little needle poke" has had catastrophic effects on many people. As of 23 August in the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. Government, there are 514,270 adverse reaction reports to the COVID vaccine and 5,118 documented deaths. These are only the instances that have been documented. Some doctors are saying the actual numbers are probably at least twice that and go unreported since there has been a fear culture created in the medical community about retaliation if one is to say any negative truths about the vaccine. In addition, we still don't know what the long term effects are. I'm still very afraid of this thing and see it as a game of Russian roulette. Five of the six chambers in the cylinder may be empty, but I don't feel lucky enough to squeeze the trigger and find out.

No vaccine in history has had numbers like this - it should have been recalled long ago. My understanding is that Japan has already pulled the Moderna version and will not use it.
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The VAERS data is always notoriously under reported because most doctors dont know about it. Harvard did a study and found that only 1% of vaccine adverse reactions are even reported. I think it's probably a little higher for this covid vaccine thougj since there is such a microscope on it.

Anyway no chance in hell I'm taking this vaccine. I'm already sick enough (most likely caused by all the other vaccines that wrecked my immune system). I'll get fired from my job before I have to take it.
 
dianasgarden said:
Please be careful about using the VAERS database to conclude that there are any problems with the covid vaccine. Anyone is allowed to add to the VAERS database. Just because someone has a particular symptom after they had the vaccine, does not at all prove that the vaccine caused the problem.

Truth is that hospitals are filling up with people suffering from Covid-19 illness. No hospital is filling up with people suffering from vaccine related illness. The hospital where I work currently has about 40 covid patients. We have had zero vaccine related illness patients. Serious reactions to the vaccine are rare.
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Doctors are REQUIRED by law to report any adverse reactions to a vaccine to the VAERS database. It is a very flawed system but it is the only way we can actually sort of keep track of adverse reactions. There are much better ways to keep track of these adverse reactions but the FDA refuses to change.
 
Scipio said:
Take a look at the current (as of Aug. 17) COVID-19 case rate, hospitalization rate, and death rate here in San Diego County for fully vaccinated vs non-fully vaccinated residents. The differences are huge. And this is in spite of the fact that over 70% of the eligible population of the county has been fully vaccinated.

A 24-fold majority of the COVID cases, a 116-fold majority of the COVID hospitalizations, and an 84-fold majority of the COVID deaths are all coming from less than 1/3rd of the population - the portion that is not fully vaccinated. Numbers like these are compelling. The huge benefits of the vaccine are undeniable.

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Why does Israel have one of the highest rates of infection in the world? And 85% of their adult population is "vaccinated"? Israel is so bad Sweden and Portugal have literally banned Israelis from entering their country.
 
Lisa said:
I just reviewed my lab results and see something interesting - this is through Johns Hopkins - labwork was done by LabCorp -

Antibody levels -
June 15, 2001 - 451.0
April 13 - >250 (not sure why it was shown differently)
Sept 30 - 188.0

So, a SIGNIFICANT drop between June-September. Will be interesting to see what the results will be in 2 weeks!
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The antibodies drop quickly. That's why they want people to take booster shots 6 months after your second shot. The plan is for you to take these covid shots every single year, like the flu shot. What a great money making operation for these Benevolent never do no harm pharmaceutical companies. They totally don't have a profit motive.
 
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The antibodies drop quickly. That's why they want people to take booster shots 6 months after your second shot. The plan is for you to take these covid shots every single year, like the flu shot.
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Antibody levels drop. However, the vaccines dramatically protect people from hospitalization and death for at least 6 months. And it is an agonizing hospitalization and death as people struggle to breathe and their heart give out after not getting enough oxygen. Once people are hospitalized they usually beg for the vaccine and state that not taking the vaccine was the biggest mistake of their life.

And it is not yet known how often boosters will be needed.
 
dianasgarden said:
Antibody levels drop. However, the vaccines dramatically protect people from hospitalization and death for at least 6 months.
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Nope. You are more likely to be hospitalized from Covid if you were vaccinated. You have to look at the numbers coming out of Israel. Because it's the perfect baseline since they took charge and were ahead of every other country in getting its people vaccinated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...55-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084/amp
At the moment, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions have been vaccinated. Moreover, according to Hebrew University researchers who advise the government, around 90% of newly infected people over the age of 50 are fully vaccinated.
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There is literally no point in getting this experimental vaccine. It doesn't prevent you from getting the virus, spreading the virus, being hospitalized or even dying.

The only thing it might do is give you myocarditis if you are a young male or fertility issues if you are a women. Please do your research. you simply cannot trust profit driven companies when it comes to the safety of their products, especially when they are not liable for any damages if their products cause people harm.

Mystery rise in heart attacks in UK
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mystery-rise-in-heart-attacks-from-blocked-arteries-m253drrnf

Hmmm
 
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Nearly everyone hospitalized in intensive care units throughout the US with covid is unvaccinated.
Myocarditis after the vaccine can occur but is very rare. (There are rare adverse effects from every vaccine, but the benefits greatly outweigh the risks)
The vaccine does not affect fertility at all - those rumors were completed debunked.
Nearly every Medical Doctor in the US is fully vaccinated.
Skip the vaccine at your own risk.
I have written the facts. End of story.

Good night.
 
Information from the CDC on pregnancy and Covid vaccine -

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-for-pregnancy.html
As far as the heart attack article - please provide the text of the article as it is only readable through the link with a subscription to the site.

And to put the Israeli numbers in a little more perspective - quoted from the article.

The “percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the third wave when there were no vaccines,” Prof. Eran Segal, a computational biologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science who advises the coronavirus cabinet, tweeted on Friday.

That being said, everyone is entitled to follow their beliefs and do their own research before taking any type of vaccine, medication, treatment etc.

Research to the extent of an individuals' abilities is always encouraged, and this site does not promote one way or another or intend to sway a persons' choice(s).

Poppysocks said:
Nope. You are more likely to be hospitalized from Covid if you were vaccinated. You have to look at the numbers coming out of Israel. Because it's the perfect baseline since they took charge and were ahead of every other country in getting its people vaccinated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...55-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084/amp


There is literally no point in getting this experimental vaccine. It doesn't prevent you from getting the virus, spreading the virus, being hospitalized or even dying.

The only thing it might do is give you myocarditis if you are a young male or fertility issues if you are a women. Please do your research. you simply cannot trust profit driven companies when it comes to the safety of their products, especially when they are not liable for any damages if their products cause people harm.

Mystery rise in heart attacks in UK
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mystery-rise-in-heart-attacks-from-blocked-arteries-m253drrnf

Hmmm
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dianasgarden said:
Great article explaining the situation with Israel. Bottom line: the covid vaccine is very effective!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...srael-hospitalization-rates-simpsons-paradox/
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Washington Post is owned by Amazon's Jeff Bezos who has profited immensely off of this pandemic. I would be careful reading any headlines from them.

However, read the article. Yes, 80% of adult population is vaccinated, yet Israel had their highest case rate of covid 19 at the end of August. IF THE VACCINE IS EFFECTIVE AND EVERYONE IN ISRAEL HAS RECEIVED IT WHY ARE COVID INFECTIONS EXPLODING IN ISRAEL????

https://qz.com/2057565/israels-covid-spike-holds-grim-omens-for-other-economies/
Portugal and Sweden have literally banned Israelis from entering their country because of soaring coronavirus infections in Israel. Yet almost all of Israel's adult population is vaccinated. What more proof do you need that the vaccine doesn't work?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...n-on-israelis-including-those-vaccinated/amp/
 
Lisa said:
Information from the CDC on pregnancy and Covid vaccine -

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/planning-for-pregnancy.html
As far as the heart attack article - please provide the text of the article as it is only readable through the link with a subscription to the site.

And to put the Israeli numbers in a little more perspective - quoted from the article.

The “percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the third wave when there were no vaccines,” Prof. Eran Segal, a computational biologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science who advises the coronavirus cabinet, tweeted on Friday.

That being said, everyone is entitled to follow their beliefs and do their own research before taking any type of vaccine, medication, treatment etc.

Research to the extent of an individuals' abilities is always encouraged, and this site does not promote one way or another or intend to sway a persons' choice(s).
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Sweden just banned the Moderna vaccine for people under 30 because of myocarditis.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...g-people-over-possible-rare-side-effects/amp/
The CDC is a captured agency of the pharmaceutical industry.
 
Poppysocks said:
Nope. You are more likely to be hospitalized from Covid if you were vaccinated. You have to look at the numbers coming out of Israel. Because it's the perfect baseline since they took charge and were ahead of every other country in getting its people vaccinated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpos...55-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084/amp
At the moment, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions have been vaccinated. Moreover, according to Hebrew University researchers who advise the government, around 90% of newly infected people over the age of 50 are fully vaccinated.

There is literally no point in getting this experimental vaccine. It doesn't prevent you from getting the virus, spreading the virus, being hospitalized or even dying.
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I assume you're using the "60% of serious cases" to prove that you're more likey to end up in hospital if you're vaxed? Of course what that data really says that in a country where 90% is vaccinated, the 10% that isn't is causing 40% of serious cases.

Think about that for a minute please.

This is why I get annoyed when people say do your own research as most people don't know how.
 
Layla said:
I assume you're using the "60% of serious cases" to prove that you're more likey to end up in hospital if you're vaxed? Of course what that data really says that in a country where 90% is vaccinated, the 10% that isn't is causing 40% of serious cases.

Think about that for a minute please.

This is why I get annoyed when people say do your own research as most people don't know how.
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Except the vaccination rate is not 90%. The current vaccination rate in Israel for their adult population isn't even that high, I believe it's somewhere in between 80-85%. It's irrelevant though as we are talking about the TOTAL population fully vaccinated, not just the adult population. And the article was written in mid July, so the rate has risen since then.

The total percentage of Israelis fully vaccinated against covid on July 20th was 61%. Meaning ~40% were unvaxxed. Therefore 40% of Israel's population (which wasnt fully vaccinated at the time) were resulting in 40% of serious cases. So technically it's a wash so I will give you that. Either way it's not preventing serious cases which is the One thing they said it did (bc it definitely doesn't stop people from getting it or spreading it). And you also have to worry about the possible negative side effects which are already being reported all over the world and the future long term side effects that nobody even knows yet.
 

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So Ds third dose was done in august
Bloodwork taken last week for antibody study at university of North Carolina
I will post results next week after he gets them back
No side effects (other than fatigue /sore arm for 24 hours afterwards ) on all three shots
Easy …

So he got lucky .
Keeping an almost 18 year old under strict quarantine is far from ideal (from age 16 )
People to see , friends ,social activities
So hoping for good numbers
 
Poppysocks said:
Except the vaccination rate is not 90%. The current vaccination rate in Israel for their adult population isn't even that high, I believe it's somewhere in between 80-85%. It's irrelevant though as we are talking about the TOTAL population fully vaccinated, not just the adult population. And the article was written in mid July, so the rate has risen since then.

The total percentage of Israelis fully vaccinated against covid on July 20th was 61%. Meaning ~40% were unvaxxed. Therefore 40% of Israel's population (which wasnt fully vaccinated at the time) were resulting in 40% of serious cases. So technically it's a wash so I will give you that. Either way it's not preventing serious cases which is the One thing they said it did (bc it definitely doesn't stop people from getting it or spreading it). And you also have to worry about the possible negative side effects which are already being reported all over the world and the future long term side effects that nobody even knows yet.
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I've found some very up to date data which covers the delta variant. These numbers are from the NZ government health site: https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work...tatistics/covid-19-case-demographics#aug-2021

The data is from yesterday, it's called the August cluster because it started in August. They've just added vaccination status to this report due to popular demand and it makes a compelling case in favour of vaccination:



Vaccination status when reported as a caseNumber of all casesNumber of hospitalised cases
No doses received prior to being reported as a case943124
Not eligible for vaccine due to being less than 12 years old3425
1 dose only, received less than 14 days before reported as a case11215
1 dose only, received at least 14 days before reported as a case13510
Fully vaccinated but second dose less than 14 days before reported as a case241
Fully vaccinated at least 14 days before reported as a case663
Total1622158

The church involved in this outbreak has now changed their tune and is actively supporting their members with getting the vax.
 
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