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has anyone tried this as a treatment? Apparently some people claim it helps their crohn's.
 
Yes, I've been self medicating since before my diagnosis. Because I had been in such excruciating pain all the time, because I never had an appetite and would literally starve myself to try and feel better, and because i became so depressed all the time from my physical incapacitation.

During the bad flareups (btw i was diagnosed with moderate-severe crohn's) the herb saved me from a lot of uncomfortable hours moaning in pain on the toilet. Cannabis is a natural anti-inflammatory, and it can also mildly suppress the immune system (some more than others, depending on what strain you have; there are at least hundreds of different recorded strains).

As for the whole "smoke is bad for you" shpeel, I will agree that cigarettes are carcinogenic and can definitely cause inflammation in the body. However, smoking medical marijuana provides instant pain relief, relaxing the nerves in your brain and your belly, staving off stress, and definitely stimulating your appetite (but please! don't be dumb and eat dumb when you smoke, a lesson that took me some time to figure out, back when i believed diet didn't play a roll), and compared to traditional narcotic pain killer pills, marijuana is not addictive, nor does it upset the stomach.

Come on people, Reefer Madness was 1936, and though i know it can be a pretty controversial topic, already over 20% of America's states have legalized medical marijuana~ Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Depending on our next president, I believe the federal laws governing marijuana are going to be radically altered, for the better, and soon. Or maybe that's me being hopeful. Either way, I cannot stress enough to you how important i think it is to eat and to live as naturally as humanly possible these days... and to be absolutely honest, my cannabis plant is just as natural as my tomato plant; they both require nutrients, water, sunlight, and love - and in trade they give me the most natural food and medicine one could ever hope to ask for.

Please believe that i am a very open minded person, and have no problem with what your opinion on this matter might be. I just hope you educated yourself on the subject first.
 
yeah move it to the treatment section, where it belongs :tongue:

Pen, so you were smoking marijuana when you were diagnosed? I'm just trying to understand your logic behind what you said about it helping cause crohn's. I don't understand that at all.
 
You could be allergic to it like I am. Though I am much more allergic to hops, it's cousin.
 
Pen said:
Well back in the seventies, or even now, you really dont know what is in there, unless you are a scientist,
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Cannabis isn't laced... that would be a waste of money. You don't need to be a scientist to distinguish this, just a little experience.

Pen said:
Just strange the minute I tried it a year later, and boom, it was causing stuff to happen. Then later on in years, tried it again and landed in the the hospital and so it is not for me.
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I'm having a lot of difficulty understanding this. You're saying that the "minute" you tried cannabis (one time?) ... that a full YEAR later it is causing negative effects on you? I'm curious, how can you possibly link those two situations together? Unless I'm misunderstanding you. Then years later, you mention trying cannabis again and the cannabis landed you in the hospital? Can you possibly explain this?

Pen said:
I'd rather be on legal drugs and controlled substance that helps me.
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I know, and did you read what states have implemented medical marijuana? Marijuana is already legal and controlled in several parts of the world. And it is proven to help people in our situation.

Pen said:
Do you really know what it is your smoking? I dont even smoke cigs any more, just dont think I need anything foreign and any reason to cause more flaring. Just my opinion is all.
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I am 100% sure I know what I'm smoking. I provide it to myself, by myself. Yes, I quit cigarettes about six months after i was diagnosed, and couldn't agree more with trying to avoid anything and everything foreign to your body.

But I gotta say this one last thing; Did you know that the key psychoactive chemicals in cannabis are classified as cannabinoids, "and up until the early 80s it was often speculated that cannabinoids produced their physiological and behavioral effects via nonspecific interaction with cell membranes, instead of interacting with specific membrane-bound receptors. The discovery of the first cannabinoid receptors in the 1980s helped to resolve this debate. These receptors are common in animals, and have been found in mammals, birds, fish, and reptiles. There are currently two known types of cannabinoid receptors, termed CB1 and CB2.

* CB1 receptors are found primarily in the brain, specifically in the basal ganglia and in the limbic system, including the hippocampus. They are also found in the cerebellum and in both male and female reproductive systems. CB1 receptors are essentially absent in the medulla oblongata, the part of the brain stem that is responsible for respiratory and cardiovascular functions. Thus, there is not a risk of respiratory or cardiovascular failure as there is with many other drugs. CB1 receptors appear to be responsible for the euphoric and anticonvulsive effects of cannabis.

* CB2 receptors are almost exclusively found in the immune system, with the greatest density in the spleen. While generally found only in the peripheral nervous system, a report does indicate that CB2 is expressed by a subpopulation of microglia in the human cerebellum [3] * CB2 receptors appear to be responsible for the anti-inflammatory and possibly other therapeutic effects of cannabis.

anyway, i personally find all this information very interesting... and if it involves your well being, and you're curious about it too, educate yourself on the matter! Don't think a certain way just because you were subconsciously conditioned to automatically pass on grass.

Be above the influence (...of government propaganda)
 
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jobengals,

I have seen information on exactly what you are talking about with the CB1 and
CB2 receptors. do you know of a way to get the anti-inflammatory benifits but not be stoned all the time? Ive heard this is possible through different strains of marijuana, just wondering if you have tried this or read about it. Also, i had seen you talk about coca leaves before and their benifit, so i researched them and it turns out they are very benifitial. where do you get it from though? is it legal in the U.S., I was able to find powder on the net to make tea from.
 
james said:
do you know of a way to get the anti-inflammatory benifits but not be stoned all the time? Ive heard this is possible through different strains of marijuana, just wondering if you have tried this or read about it.
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haha well i'm pretty positive that yea, you can isolate a lot of cannabinoids that aren't psychoactive at all and still achieve some anti-inflammation... but you're talking to a recreational smoker here as well... and there's no way i have tried to do this before :lol:

...But you know that the psychoactive chemicals in a plant are usually balanced out and their effects are moderated and sort of 'kept under control' by the non-psychoactive cannabinoids that are found in the same cannabis plant.. I mean it always varies on strain of course, and everyone's chemistry is different as well. I can totally understand wanting to feel better and not be intoxicated at the same time, because functioning in day to day responsibilities is pretty damn important. I am a full time student and part time employee like so many other people... i am plenty busy just like the rest of you.

I can think of plenty of times when i didn't need to get high at all to receive the positive medical properties of cannabis... all it took to feel better was one or two quick hits when i'm flaring, and ... well.. lemme put it this way. Do any of you guys take narcotic pain killer pills for your pain? You know how you only usually need one or two pills to take the edge off your pain, and you feel a lot better ... but you don't really feel 'high' from the narcotic because not only did you take it in a small, moderate amount, but the drug is actually busy working for your pain receptors, acting as an analgesic. The same can be contributed to medical cannabis, except, in my opinion, without the stomachaches or physical dependence.

james said:
Also, i had seen you talk about coca leaves before and their benifit, so i researched them and it turns out they are very benifitial. where do you get it from though? is it legal in the U.S., I was able to find powder on the net to make tea from.
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hey, hippy4life asked the same question in the Treatment forum, Natural Remedies, here is what i said,

"I don't have a direct link to anything, but the leaves are classified as a tea, from Peru, so typing things like Peru tea on google will probably yield some good results.

As for legal or illegal, anything coming in from outside the states is checked at customs, and anything illegal is seized. This makes me suspect that my Peruvian tea leaves are 100% legal, or else i would not continue to receive package after package directly to my front door via USPS."

I would suggest just calling it Peruvian tea, that's how it's packaged and shipped to your door :)

And as for the powder, i can't vouch. all I've ordered are 100g bags of just the leaves, and next time it will be their tea. I think you 'get more' out of the chewing process, especially when you chew it with a llipita ball... but i don't think the llipita is very healthy, so i just chew leaves from time to time, or boil a big pot-full of leaves for a couple minutes, then simmer for half an hour until the water is like a dark, golden or amber brown. This stuff is good, but will be even more potent if you soak it in the fridge overnight. I sometimes mix a whole bunch of teas together, chamomile, green tea and Peruvian tea mix is my favorite so far ... such a calming tea and makes my tummy feel warm and soothed and relaxed. It's good shiet
 
Be above the influence (...of government propaganda)
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My opinion on the matter has nothing to do with governmental influence. I think marijuana should be legalized and the government should tax it... but I don't see me EVER using it even if it were legal. Mostly because I don't understand inhaling smoke instead of air... but its just how I feel. You don't have to defend your opinion to me or anyone else... everyone can have their own opinion. I think you kinda went overboard after Pen's post... kinda cyber-smacked her... she was only telling you her history with marijuana and her opinion... no need for picking her post apart like that. At least I don't think so.
 
i had no idea we were debating. yes i know you have your own opinions on this topic ... i was simply trying to understand your reasoning and logic behind the decision to shun this natural medicine.

anyways. I'd like to hear other people's experiences and reports with this treatment plan, if there are any?
 
katiesue1506 said:
My opinion on the matter has nothing to do with governmental influence. I think marijuana should be legalized and the government should tax it... but I don't see me EVER using it even if it were legal. Mostly because I don't understand inhaling smoke instead of air... but its just how I feel. You don't have to defend your opinion to me or anyone else... everyone can have their own opinion. I think you kinda went overboard after Pen's post... kinda cyber-smacked her... she was only telling you her history with marijuana and her opinion... no need for picking her post apart like that. At least I don't think so.
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k sorry i responded to her response in the most specific way i possibly could then.
 
I tell ya, I've been smoking pot for a long time. Not so much now cuz I'm a dad but in my hay-day... I could tell you a story or two.

Reading this made me realize when I do smoke I gutta go, gutta go, gutta go right now. Its very weird. But then I watch a funny show or better yet, if I'm with some friends, I laugh and laugh.

Surrounding myself with humor and laughter works for me. Without friends I'm doomed.

Don't get me wrong I need my Pentasa for the short term.

Remember what Don Colonole said.... Keep your friends close, and your toilets closer.
 
Yeah, Jo B - your response to Pen seemed a little "unfriendly" to say it nicely. If that were my post I would've felt attacked.

If I have to be stoned to use pot medicinally, I can't say that I would - but if there is a pill form or edible somehow or other, once it became legalized I think I would try it. Right now I'm into anything but those wormies. I can't imagine how long after legalization it would take for doctors to start prescribing it. Seems like potheads would just try to get a prescription for it and it might be hard to weed out the people who are really in need. Isla did have a good point about appetite. My husband ate an entire loaf of white bread when he was in his silly years (We'll just call it that) and I'm sure that wasn't even good pot.
 
I think I might be willing to try marijuana too, as long as I didn't have to smoke it. I don't want to cause any more health problems by inhaling particles of ash and carcinogens into my lungs. I would drink marijuana tea or take marijuana pills or even eat it, but I would never smoke it (or anything else, for that matter). I don't know what the effects are if you eat/drink it instead of smoking it, but I do know that if it caused any sort of "high," I wouldn't do it. I would rather stay alert and normal, thank you!

But yeah, I would probably give it a try, if I knew it wouldn't have any effects I wouldn't want it to have. We all take medication with effects we don't want, but to me there's a difference between medication side effects and getting high. None of my meds do that.
 
wow. all you guys are really getting into this whole debate about marijuana, my intents for this thread were really just to get some info. I am also curious about what pen said about smoking marijuana causing her crohns, it just doesn't make any sense to me, I dont see the connection, and the only reason i say this is cause ive been doing alot of research on possible causes so im interested in hearing possible cause theories i just really dont see the plausability of smoking marijuana causing crohn's, very unlikely, especially once. is there a scientific explaination as how you go from smoking marijuana to having crohn's?
 
I have thought of this since Im in so much pain i need help! Im looking to get some i hope.
 
Im in the idea of smoking it but i dont see how smoking it could bring out your crohns. I had it come to me one night just laying in bed and have been hurting ever since. I think i should get more info on this since i want it and if it helps double ++
 
Any substance one is not used to or a sudden change in habit,ie smoking even once, can make your symptoms come out. Since Crohn's is genetic it may or may not need a trigger to send one into a flare. The trigger can be anything be it a type of food, an allergy, or something else. Everyone is different with this disease so one person can react to stimuli different then another.

Take something like Benedryl, some people get sleepy when they take it, others get hyper, and still yet others have no affect. Cannibis may be affective for one but for another can be ineffective and for another it could hurt them.

Remember though that smoking anything can give you lung problems in the future such as lung cancer or lung disease and I for one would rather be in pain then be on an iron lung or dead. If you decide to take cannibis don't smoke it but eat it instead. Not that I'm saying people should start taking the stuff. I'm against it personally but I'm against anything illegal or things that alter a persons state of mind. I don't even take pain meds until someone tells me to take them or if I will be around others that may freak out if they see how much pain I'm in.

I send out the disclaimer because I don't want to see anyone get caught and have to spend even a day in jail with this terrible disease, but hey at least your cell mate will leave you alone :D, or have to pay a fine. I like to watch out for my fellow Crohnies and I don't want any of you to get into trouble. So with that I will probably respond to any other posts directed to me tomorrow night when I get home from school cause I got to get up early.
 
ah sorry to go around disproving things but there's never been a single reported case of lung cancer or any sort of illness or disease being procured from mj smoking...ever.
There's a method to filter out all the impurities in the herb called 'vaporizing'. very clean.

it's funny, there was a time when I thought my chronic cough was contributed to the pot i smoked. Then i spaced out my humira, and the coughs went away. weird...

nothing wrong with eating it, just cook it with butter or alcohol cause it's not water soluble. this does make it a lot more powerful though, and especially when your liver metabolizes it.

Jeff D. said:
Any substance one is not used to or a sudden change in habit,ie smoking even once, can make your symptoms come out. Since Crohn's is genetic it may or may not need a trigger to send one into a flare. The trigger can be anything be it a type of food, an allergy, or something else. Everyone is different with this disease so one person can react to stimuli different then another.
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i have been in a hole or have not been keeping up on my crohn's research cause that's the first time i've ever read that information... is that really true?? I'm curious where you read that from cause now i gotta update my sources.
 
jobengals said:
ah sorry to go around disproving things but there's never been a single reported case of lung cancer or any sort of illness or disease being procured from mj smoking...ever.
There's a method to filter out all the impurities in the herb called 'vaporizing'. very clean.
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Whether or not it's been shown that smoking MARIJUANA specifically causes cancer/disease, it has still been proven that smoking causes cancer and lung problems. smoking anything. if you are inhaling foreign particles into your lungs, don't you think it would cause some kind of damage? even the best of filters can't get everything out.
 
I understand the questioning of Pen's response but I too, think it was a little harsh.

There are some academic studies, which I read after my doctor asked if I used weed, that show some link between Marijuana use and IBD like symptoms, so its not out of the realm of possibility that Pen's use could cause her to link it to the disease.

There are also recent studies that suggest that MJ has anti-bacterial properties as well. Its a matter of pro vs con I suppose.

I have smoked a few times since I've been ill but only when I was in such pain that the pain killers were not working. It really did help with my appetite but I don't like being "out there" so its not something I would use long term.

For those of you who would try it but don't want to smoke it, there is marinol which is a liquid form of THC (from what I understand) which I believe is what the doctors in states (like mine yay) that have legalized it for medical use may give you instead of purchasing the plant for smoking.
 
I think, for those of you who haven't read this (and I just read it today myself for the first time) you should definitely check out what everyone has to say. There are a lot better posts than mine regarding medical use for people in our position, and to the contrary, there are some pretty unproven and ignorant things said as well.
http://www.crohnsforum.com/showthread.php?t=3281


I feel like i have to quote one post from the thread i just linked, it's from a fellow pro-plant person's point of view - who i gotta say has only posted twice (so far) on this whole site, and he is only referring to and defending his beliefs on marijuana.

joerex said:
Your health teacher at college is obviously propagandized. The prohibition of marijuana in the United States began in the late 1930s, coincidentally the year before Dupont introduced nylon (hemp was the most common fabrication for woven materials until synthetics were introduced and hemp was prohibited).

Marijuana is the most benign therapeutically active substance known to man. These words were stated by a judge appointed by the DEA to hear the case for rescheduling MJ from Schedule 1 (no accepted medical use, like cocaine, heroin, etc). While the DEA judge found that MJ should be removed from Schedule 1, an appeals hearing later ruled that the DEA could take as long as they want to do anything about it. We are still waiting.

Fortunately, I live in California - a state in which anyone can possess/cultivate marijuana if he/she suffers from a "serious illness" marijuana can help. I have affordable and safe access to the most potent marijuana available from 11am-7pm every day. It gives me appetite, relieves nausea and pain, and because of the potency, I am able to medicate with a tiny amount of cannabis (=tiny amount of smoking). There are also devices called "vaporizers" which heat the plant material to the point at which its active ingredients are released into vapor but the plant material does not combust.

The problem with ingestion of marijuana is that it takes a long time for it to kick in (1-2 hours) and it makes you INCREDIBLY STONED. Taking a few hits from a pipe allows you to practice "auto-titration" since the effects come on almost immediately - you are able to take just what alleviates your symptoms and not so much that you are "high". REMEMBER, THE "STONE" IS A SIDE EFFECT.

A recent study (University of California) has shown that chronic marijuana use does not lead to increased risk of cancer.

This is a good article dispelling ridiculous marijuana myths.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2007/aug/01/new_study_marijuana_does_not_cau

EVERYONE SHOULD ALSO WATCH THIS VIDEO ABOUT THE FACTS AND POLITICS OF THE FEDERAL MEDICAL MARIJUANA PROGRAM
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For goodness sake people... to summarize: YES it helps people in our condition, greatly. NO it is not unhealthy at all*!!!

If you don't read anything at all in this message except this bold part, JUST WATCH THE VIDEO at the end of the quote and you should at least partially understand the truth of this vastly misunderstood plant.

*By unhealthy I'm simply referring to what drugs a Crohn's patient is usually taking: Imuran, humira/remicade, prednisone
 
I think that people like you like to think that people like me are vastly misinformed and uneducated about marijuana. It MUST be that the government has propagandized my mind into believing drugs are bad. I MUST not know the great things that can come from marijuana.

I'm telling you that I know all of these things. I know that marijuana can get rid of the pain for a while and that it causes you to think you have a great appetite (your body has certain proteins that receive the endocannabinoids... coincidentally this happens in the hypothalamus (the area of the brain that controls human urges like appetite and sex drive and thus you get the "munchies")) Marijuana replicates the same feelings the body makes from its own natural neurotransmitters.

This being said... I want to make these feelings with my OWN neurotransmitters. I want my body to be as unaltered as possible. I have dealt with the fact that I NEED to take medication. I have an incurable disease and I NEED medication to fix it. I DON'T want endanger my lungs by inhaling smoke instead of air. Just because its not a cigarette doesn't mean that you are getting rid of the same effects caused by cigarette smoking. Humans aren't meant to inhale smoke of any kind. If we were... we would. It doesn't matter that its marijuana smoke... smoke comes from the same thing... fire.

All in all, here are my key points. Personally I don't want to be altered to a point where I would do things that are uncharacteristic of my personality and I do NOT want to inhale smoke. If I can get the effects of marijuana (the appetite gain and the pain loss) without altering my state of mind, having no other side effects and without having to smoke it... then okay. Like I said before... I'm pro-legalization of marijuana... I just will not smoke it.

I am not dumb, and I do not let other influence my thoughts. To tell people to "be above the influence of government propaganda" is insulting. Just because someone doesn't have your point of view doesn't mean they are ignorant.
 
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it's funny, there was a time when I thought my chronic cough was contributed to the pot i smoked. Then i spaced out my humira, and the coughs went away. weird...
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While I'm fairly neutral on the topic, because I honestly don't know much in either way on pot (been a "straight edge" all my life, no recreational drugs, no alcohol, etc...), I will point out one observation, how is your above segment that I quoted any different than drawing a conclusion the way Pen did, you took a causal result and attributed it to a variable: I had chronic cough-- cough stopped after Humira frequency dropped....I had no health problems-- I smoked pot and had health problems. I see very little difference, but I'm a big proponent in the first place, of correlation does not equal causation...ie: I just took a sip of water, and then 8 seconds later sneezed. Am I allergic to water?

I would also like to point out (again bearing in mind I have chosen to not read much into pot, so I can't say anything one way or another, just chose to ignore all recreational drug usage in a sweeping aversion, that's how I am) that if the top GI's in the world have no concrete data on what causes Crohns, how to cure it, or if it can be cured or even what area of medicine a cure would be derived from, then how could proponents of weed give definitive claims that it can't trigger or evoke a Crohns flare? The top medical circles don't have much of a clue on the major facets of Crohns (merely theories and evidence), how is it that people who are obviously well versed on some aspects of cannabis can so adamantly dispel any possibility that it could be detrimental to Crohns in some way or fashion? Seems that some conclusions are attained by some jumping when it should be conjecture and theory instead. If you are learned on pot, all well and good, but the people well learned on Crohns are mystified by it, so I don't think we can count out too much of anything, one way or the other.

I'm not saying anything definitive one way or another, simply trying to bring some balance to the topic, because there's still too much unanswered at hand to etch anything in stone, other than that Crohns sucks and it needs to be answered.
 
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Now there are at least a dozen more threads that need to be moved into the Lounge, as they do pertain to marijuana. Or was this thread moved in here for other reasons?

Katiesue, I don't know you? Why are you speaking to me like I am personally attacking you?

katiesue1506 said:
I think that people like you like to think that people like me are vastly misinformed and uneducated about marijuana. It MUST be that the government has propagandized my mind into believing drugs are bad. I MUST not know the great things that can come from marijuana.
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Why are you twisting my words like that? If you think I sound like I'm trying to educate people on this matter ... it's because I am. You DO know that the original poster of this thread asked a specific question regarding whether marijuana could be used to help treat Crohn's, right? Meaning that, unlike you who made it so clear, he was not aware of many, if any medicinal uses for the plant, and seeked information here (by asking his fellow Crohnie's) to see what we had to say about marijuana as a treatment for crohn's.

Through self education and first hand experience with marijuana and crohn's, I at least answered him more thoroughly and truthfully than many other individuals who have NEVER tried using this medicine as a treatment.

katiesue1506 said:
I am not dumb, and I do not let other influence my thoughts. To tell people to "be above the influence of government propaganda" is insulting. Just because someone doesn't have your point of view doesn't mean they are ignorant.
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Boy, that line really got to you huh? Is that why you mentioned it in both of your replies on this thread? You know that I used the line once, and it was at the very end of a reply, and it was meant to parody all those government ads our taxes pay for, 'Be Above the Influence'.

So anyway, sorry you didn't get the joke, but when did I call any individual ignorant? Stop making me out to be such a bad guy, and try sticking to the topic at hand.

I applaud you for learning the things you learned about marijuana, and from your perspective, making an informed decision. You don't want smoke in your lungs, nor an altered state of consciousness. I can understand why some people would be afraid to try those things. Although I'm curious katiesue, have you ever smoked weed in your life before? Or you Jeff D.? Or have either of you ever smoked it in times of a flare? If yes to any of these questions, please expand for all of us your personal experiences regarding your disease and this medicine?

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Jeff D. said:
Any substance one is not used to or a sudden change in habit,ie smoking even once, can make your symptoms come out. Since Crohn's is genetic it may or may not need a trigger to send one into a flare. The trigger can be anything be it a type of food, an allergy, or something else. Everyone is different with this disease so one person can react to stimuli different then another.
...Remember though that smoking anything can give you lung problems in the future such as lung cancer or lung disease and I for one would rather be in pain then be on an iron lung or dead.
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I highly doubt this information. And the last time I checked, Crohn's disease is an autoimmune disease, which is definitely NOT genetic. Where did you find the info about the trigger? And no, smoking marijuana has never been linked to lung cancer or lung disease.

Which makes me consider your most recent link. Are you aware that not a shred of that information has been proven? Every sentence starts out like, "Smoking marijuana regularly can damage..." or "Studies further suggest.." or "it seems that the potential dangers..." etc, etc.

Basically my friend, that whole page of 'what ifs' and 'maybes' and a few 'pretty sures' doesn't really compare to all the scientifically proven medicinal aspects of this versatile plant

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There are some academic studies, which I read after my doctor asked if I used weed, that show some link between Marijuana use and IBD like symptoms
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I am VERY curious about this subject. Do you have a link?

if the top GI's in the world have no concrete data on what causes Crohns, how to cure it, or if it can be cured or even what area of medicine a cure would be derived from, then how could proponents of weed give definitive claims that it can't trigger or evoke a Crohns flare?
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Marijuana's been around for thousands of years, with documented proof of medicinal usage throughout the history of the homo sapien. I thought that the earliest documented case of crohn's disease was no earlier than the 1900's. Unless someone can prove me wrong.

Hence smoking weed doesn't bring out crohn's. Never has never will.

Anyway, if yall haven't clicked any of the previous marijuana links to watch the testimony by Irvin Rosenfeld, you should definitely watch it right now if you truly are interested in the treatment of this plant as a medicine.
 
Crohn's is a genetic autoimmune disease. They have found the chromosomes that contain defects and they have been linked to Crohn's. That is why we don't have cures instead we have treatments. That is also why there is a lot of discussion stem cell research with Crohn's. That will probably be the only thing that could cure us. There is no cure for Crohn's Disease...yet. Remicade, Humira, LDN, cannibis etc. etc., only help as a temporary solution. In the end they will prolong our flares and help keep us from having them but they will never cure us of anything.

A lot of doctors, scientists, and consensus of your fellow forumites have suggested that stress doesn't cause Crohn's but could make symptoms arise. I know for myself that all three flares I have had were aggrevated by the stress I was going through at the time. Some people have eaten foods like popcorn or nuts that have caused obstructions. Some foods have caused allergic reactions that put the body at a state of stress which brought on a flare.

Anytime something you encounter or ingest stresses the body then you put yourself at risk for a flare up. Sometimes it doesn't take a stresser and with those flares you have to go with the flow. But many times flares occur there is some kind of change whether it be a lifestyle change, a diet, or something else.

Yes, smoking anything puts stress on your lungs. Our lungs are not designed to inhale smoke. They were designed to inhale air and air alone that consists mostly of Oxygen and Nitrogen, not other chemicals. If we were meant to inhale what's in marijuana then don't you think it would be in the air?

About the link I put on. Of course they will not say that it definitely will cause damage to your lungs or the many other things they suggest because they do not happen to everyone. But it must happen enough that there are numerous writings of similar nature to the link I put up.

I have never smoked marijuana in my life and I will never do so as I will not put an illegal drug that may or may not help me and could cause me many problems into my body.

I know that you are going to keep pressing that marijuana is good for you and I will keep warning that it is not. I have been studying Crohn's for four years. I have written about ten college papers on the subject. I have been studying Crohn's and marijuana for the past few months as it is something that interests me as I'm always open to new ways of treatment.

Also, as I have said before I am mostly against the smoking of cannibis. Scientists have extracted THC which is the biggest healing component of cannibis and this can be used. I don't agree with getting high, I'm fucked up enough as it is without drugs I don't need anything else in my system to fuck me up even more. I don't agree with smoking. I think it's a very bad habit and although I know many people who now have to smoke as it effects their Crohn's, Kev, seems to be the case where a cig a day helps him stay okay. I don't know why people put substances like this in their body. Not to go on too long about this.
 
yeah well you will never know if it works for you if you will never try it. It is proven to work for tons of people in our condition. So the decision really rests upon the people who want alternatives to their standard medications.

I'm really sorry you'll never try this wonderful plant for some relief for this disease of ours. And I think your theory about stressing the lungs to stress yourself out to cause a flare is a pretty big stretch dude. Marijuana relieves so many other mental and physical stresses that you will not notice any discomfort to your lungs. But you will never try it, so it doesn't really matter that you won't get anything from this. I just hope others who are curious about this natural medicine won't be swayed by (no offense man) inexperienced theories..
 
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Well I would say to you that I don't want to risk my mind. Right now I'm doing fine on Remicade and nothing else. I also don't want to risk gettiing arrested for a little relief.

About stressing the lungs it's not exactly stressing the lungs as it is how the body has to heal the lungs from the inhalation effects of smoking. Marijuana also can cause mental illness. You may not feel discomfort to your lungs but if you are into sports then smoking will kill you. You can't play a 90 minute soccer game and smoke pot. If you do you will be on the bench by halftime. You may feel perfectly fine and that the pot you smoke helps you out but man you will one day find out it's not the case when you find out the damage caused by not being able to feel your body from the euphoric experience you get.

People need to read about the what if's because if they don't they may end up doing something they really regret. Smoking cannibis has been related to depression and I have known too many people commit suicide after starting to smoke. If you get depressed please don't smoke cannibis, three of my friends committed suicide after starting to smoke pot and I don't want that to happen to others. People with Crohn's often get depression and when you get depressed don't smoke, it doesn't take your problems away and once you return back to normal then you will be back in the same spot.

Another one of my friends completely lost interest in his past once he started smoking. He was my best friend and in only a matter of a month he went from my best friend to someone who didn't even know I exist. I have been effected by marijuana without even trying the stuff myself and even though I have been tempted several times I have never done it because I don't want what happened to me happen to another.

Good day
 
suit yourself jeff, different strokes for different folks. But you should stop posting unproven information about cannabis.

You know directly following my diagnoses to crohn's, my girlfriend of 2 years dumped me. I had gone through bouts of depression before her (manic depression actually runs in my family, on my father's side) but i had never experienced a depression as dark and as empty as this one. I can honestly tell you, through the worst of my crohn's flares, and being absolutely alone for the first time in years, that marijuana saved me from some extremely rough times.

I'm sorry to hear of your rather unlucky secondhand experiences regarding your friends, but people who face depression after they smoke weed are something of an anomaly to be experiencing the exact opposite effects of cannabis. (*edit* - but.. it is true that a small percentage can get depressed from smoking cannabis, i just thought it was a horrible coincidence for it to have happened to that many of your friends)

FYI, I run four times a week brother, for an hour each time. That's a half hour of jogging and a half hour of running, straight. You tell me how I'm able to run on the treadmill at a 6.5 for 30 minutes straight if my lungs are so weak right now from daily smoking?

Get the facts straight Jeff D. Marijuana does not CAUSE any mental illness or any illnesses at all... but it has the potential to trigger predisposed mental illnesses like psychosis or schizophrenia (so make sure those don't run in the family)

Please do more research before denouncing marijuana as much as you do.
 
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Ooookaaaaay, so experience trumps all, huh. So because you smoked pot, (which by your own admission, was recreational, by the way, as well as medicinal) you know more about its affects on IBD than say, my GI who's an esteemed scientist at a Chicago University? I'm not saying he's spoke to me about it, but what I'm saying is that if by chance he hasn't smoked it, but knows all about it's possible effects on IBD, suddenly because you HAVE smoked it, you are the superior authority? Experience doesn't magically give one an edge in knowledge, but it can help, yes, you need to differentiate the two. For example, my GI doc knows more about Crohns than me. But he doesn't have it, so now I, because I have it, know more than him? Don't place yourself above someone because you've experienced something and they haven't.

You seem to be taking this more personally than many people here, seeing as how you're butchering up posts and demanding proof; and because you've smoked so much, you suddenly are the only one qualified to even post in this thread? And don't retort with any "where did I get personal" responses, because nearly everyone in this thread has posted stating you're a bit out of line with your tone. Maybe you need some more weed (that wasn't personal, just sarcasm).

I again, will state I don't read about pot, don't care to (for now), nor do I care to do it recreationally, but I AM interested in the potential benefits of any of it's components. So no, I won't say that I'm never going to look into an "alternative", especially if pot's components can help me....but your logic is partially flawed with my quote that you picked apart, which by the way seems to be an enjoyable task for you to partake in. I can do it too:

Marijuana's been around for thousands of years, with documented proof of medicinal usage throughout the history of the homo sapien. I thought that the earliest documented case of crohn's disease was no earlier than the 1900's. Unless someone can prove me wrong.

Hence smoking weed doesn't bring out crohn's. Never has never will.
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I see. So, by this logic, one substance that's been around thousands of years doesn't have a possible (can do that too. wow) adverse affect on a disease, even though the disease was only broadly documented in 1932? Because it was named in 1932 does NOT mean it wasn't around a thousand years ago along side your miracle plant. This simply means it was established in the medical world as of the beginning of the 20th century (though a Polish surgeon made notes on it a couple decades earlier, it just wasn't made mainstream)...that doesn't mean that 500 years ago someone wasnt' bleeding from their ass in a forest, that would be diagnosed with what we now know as Crohns. This is why your rebuttle is flawed. To extend this logic, I could apply it to say, Trans fats, this is a fairly recent discover last century, for the most part, but does that mean that the naturally occuring ones in dairy and beef weren't around during the Crusades? Do you see now? Crohns was (widespread) discovered and named in the last 100 years, but for all we know, Caesar's second cousin could have had it.

The point I made in my post before was that we don't understand Crohns enough yet, so to say that cannabis is 100% fine with the disease in 100% of people is pretentious and foolhearty...You use "never has never will" How the hell can you know so much about Crohns, or the last thousand years for that matter?

Mutations in the CARD15 gene (also known as the NOD2 gene) are associated with Crohn's disease[1] and with susceptibility to certain phenotypes of disease location and activity.[2] In earlier studies, only two genes were linked to Crohn's, but scientists now believe there are over eight genes that show genetics play a role in the disease, either directly through causation or indirectly as with a spurious relationship.

Parents, siblings or children of people with Crohn's disease are 3 to 20 times more likely to develop the disease.[3]

1=Ogura Y, Bonen DK, Inohara N, et al (2001). "A frameshift mutation in NOD2 associated with susceptibility to Crohn's disease". Nature 411 (6837): 603–6. doi:10.1038/35079114. PMID 11385577.

2=Cuthbert A, Fisher S, Mirza M, et al. (2002). "The contribution of NOD2 gene mutations to the risk and site of disease in inflammatory bowel disease". Gastroenterology 122 (4): 867–74. doi:10.1053/gast.2002.32415. PMID 11910337.

3=Satsangi J, Jewell DP, Bell JI (1997). "The genetics of inflammatory bowel disease". Gut 40 (5): 572–4. PMID 9203931
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You're quite fond of asking for documentation. Show me proof that weed can't ignite a flare, undeniably.

I'm not trying to attack you Jo (if that's your name, I honestly am just guessing), just trying to illustrate a certain tone, and give you the "other side". Plus, I DO feel you're being a bit abrasive here, and taking it personally (IMO). If nobody here adopts your ways, more pot for you right? :)

Lets try to keep this a little more civil.
 
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suit yourself jeff, different strokes for different folks. But you should stop posting unproven information about cannabis.

You know directly following my diagnoses to crohn's, my girlfriend of 2 years dumped me. I had gone through bouts of depression before her (manic depression actually runs in my family, on my father's side) but i had never experienced a depression as dark and as empty as this one. I can honestly tell you, through the worst of my crohn's flares, and being absolutely alone for the first time in years, that marijuana saved me from some extremely rough times.

I'm sorry to hear of your rather unlucky secondhand experiences regarding your friends, but people who face depression after they smoke weed are something of an anomaly to be experiencing the exact opposite effects of cannabis.

For your information, I run four times a week brother, for an hour each time. That's a half hour of jogging and a half hour of running, straight. You tell me how I'm able to run on the treadmill at a 6.5 for 30 minutes straight if my lungs are so weak right now from daily smoking?

Get the facts straight Jeff D. Marijuana does not CAUSE any mental illness or any illnesses at all... it has the potential to trigger predisposed mental illnesses like psychosis or schizophrenia.

Please do a little more research than skimming around google for credible information to denounce marijuana as much as you do.
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Ugh, the potential ill-effects aren't enough for someone to denounce it?

My doctor respects my decision to NOT do Tysabri because the PML risks that seem to be still misunderstood, I see a potential benefit, but I also see a potential fatal brain infection.

Just like you saw in the link Jeff posted, "maybe" this, "if" that, "possible" this....so because someone doesn't want to RISK it (obviously risk is involved if we are to lend credence to these "if's"), they're uneducated because they didnt' read until they changed their mind? You just admitted that a predisposition to psychological disorders can be brought about by pot....gee, that sounds like a safe bet. Look I get it that you got benefit from weed, and many others do, otherwise the handful of states wouldn't have legalized it for medical aid, but if someone chooses not to mess with it, even if they don't read about it as passionately as you do, why is their choice wrong?

Quit bashing people, you seemed to just trivialize Jeff's loss of friends by saying he simply skimmed google to arive at his conclusion. Leave people be man.
 
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Places are starting to get Crohn's disease as one of the things that you can prescribe medicinal marijuana for, but I already kill enough of my brain cells with occasional alcohol and fumes from various FX materials. Don't need the added cell destruction of MJ too.
 
damn buddy you sure ask a lot of questions for someone who isn't even really trying to discuss the topic at hand...but boy i sure thank you for showing me a taste of my own medicine. That was the point of that message right? To show me up?

Anyway what you said about my 'flawed logic' has absolutely no bearing on anything. Show me evidence of someone before 1900 with Crohn's disease. Because symptoms like ours are going to be documented, no matter what time period we're in. I reread everything else you have to say in your posts, but your sentences either make no sense or you're just bashing me.

Just know that if this medicine was legal everywhere, we (with Crohn's) would be prescribed it. And like any other prescription medicine, there will be a small percentage of folks who experience negative side effects. What I'm trying to do is as least dispel what some folks on here are claiming to be true side effects.. just do your research if this topic really interests you. Or click here
 
The topic at hand is anything I responded to, it was in the thread and pertinent, you veered a bit off the topic by attacking people and making naive claims about our disease, I simply followed you. Show you up? No, just added some balance like I said. You're just being antagonistic now.

If it didn't make sense I don't know what to say, but if you're unable to answer the one single question that I asked (proof of 100% non-damaging effects in 100% of patients) your arguments don't leave you as much room to talk as you'd like, and I WILL agree still with you, that there's promise for the effects of cannabis' healing abilities. Some of us simply want to attain it other ways, you need to accept that.

And it has all bearing on everything except your apparent ability to grasp the scope of medicine and this disease. So, I still beg to differ on the Crohns thing, it could have been documented simply as bloody stool and abdominal cramps, and be ignored with the rest of any common suffering and mysterious ailments and premature death. Wanna know why, take a look how people lived back then, you can tell that there is no way anyone can disprove Crohns existence previous to 1900, just the same that DNA, Pluto, and Trans fats existed long before their "official announcement". But yes, it's occurance has rampantly increased since it's inception into diagnosis, which there's simply theories to explain.

You have heard that a long while ago the earth was considered flat and sneezing was suspected of releasing the soul?

Drop it, I don't see what you're "fighting for". You have some points about weed's applications. Besides, I'd be more worried if you were in range of Ike blowing off the coast around Houston, even if you're safe and sound.
 
Jobengals you will not find a case of Crohn's before 1900, you know why, because before the 1900's people would have kept that to themselves. They wouldn't have wanted a doctor to ever look at their butt or be embarrassed by whats going on to them. You have to realize that most people before the 1900's lived in small towns, if they didn't live in a small town then they lived in a small community in a city. If word got out about someone having to run to the bathroom, or throw up, or intestinal pain then they woulf be the talk of thte town. Everyone knew one another in those times unlike now. Also, doctors wouldn't know what to do with a person. Back then they would have been told to go on liquid diet as the best treatment but most likely they would have been told to drink a lot of alcohol. They had no scopes. They had no way to see inside without surgery. Now the question is for these people is would they actually want to have surgery without pain meds? They didn't have pain meds readilly available up until after WWI. People wouldn't want to be given some beer and a towel in their mouth and be told not to look.

My friend you are just attacking us now. Many of us would never use marijuana because it is illegal and many of us don't want to smole something that alters our state of mind to feel better. Many of us don't like to take pain meds at all and will only do so if absolutely needed. The above paragragh I wrote is to let you know how people in the 1800's and earlier would have felt. If you have ever been to a History class then what I said should be common knowledge. Best of luck
 
Inflammatory bowel diseases were described by Giovanni Battista Morgagni (1682-1771), by Polish surgeon Antoni Leśniowski in 1904 (leading to the use of the eponym "Leśniowski-Crohn disease" in Poland) and by Scottish physician T. Kennedy Dalziel in 1913.[88]
Burrill Bernard Crohn, an American gastroenterologist at New York City's Mount Sinai Hospital, described fourteen cases in 1932, and submitted them to the American Medical Association under the rubric of "Terminal ileitis: A new clinical entity". Later that year, he, along with colleagues Leon Ginzburg and Gordon Oppenheimer published the case series as "Regional ileitis: a pathologic and clinical entity".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crohn's_disease#History
 
If there's a lack of truth it's from your keyboard, you have yet to show any hard data on the complete innocuousness of pot (despite your wity signiture), and you're just upset you didn't "convert" anybody. You've lost most of your veracity.

Are you seriously from Houston? I'm honestly curious about the safety of the area, they're saying tens of thousands are refusing to leave the area (that's not to say you're one of them, but the news is making it look like God's wrath on the area and the eye is nearly on coast, no?).
 
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I would like to remind everyone of one of the forum rules:

This is an open and welcoming community to all people, and hatred or abuse of any kind will not be tolerated (with punishments ranging from warnings to forum ban)
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Debate and differences of opinion are fine, however we must be tolerant of each other. Regardless of the fact we may be debating ideas and not people, we all must understand that we are responsible for how our words affect other people. As a support community we should all try to be open to each other and learn what has been effective for other people. On that same page, we should all also respect each person's personal freedom and choice to treat themselves as they wish (or what they choose not to do). If you can not add any value to this discussion or any other discussion than personal attacks, then please reconsider posting on this forum.

This is not directed at anyone in particular. Let us all join together and support each other as we try to effectively treat and live with this disease. If we can not rely on each other, than who can we rely on?
 
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If there's a lack of truth it's from your keyboard, you have yet to show any hard data on the complete innocuousness of pot (despite your wity signiture), and you're just upset you didn't "convert" anybody. You've lost most of your veracity.
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lol i'm not upset at all until i read some more targeted messages like that ...

hard data? Hey, I asked first. "Wity signiture"? Is that sarcasm? Lost my veracity? I'm dropping it after that comment, since it's REALLY not worth the back and forth with you.

To clarify on this ... i'm not converting or trying to convert anyone, simply enlighten them. I could give a damn if you decide to pick up cannabis or not, honestly, i just got so carried away with it on this forum after i felt targeted for some negative pokes and prods on what i had originally said ... sorry to anyone i offended (seriously)... i just honestly cannot think of any other group of people who i'd ever go out of my way to talk to this stuff about besides fellow crohnies...

have a great day folks
 
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glad your freinds again sharon xx
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Well, I didn't really know Jo before this much other than seeing his past posts, so 'friends again', I'm not sure about. But whatever....
 
I'm willing to move past it I suppose, if you are.

Here's a virtual olive branch (not a marijuana reference, I'm talking about the one extended as a sign of peace)
 
Soon as I told a friend of mine I could get a prescription, he is all about oh go get it, I'll pay for it etc etc.
I'm just thinking you idiot., how the heck do you FILL this?

Anyhow, I am part of a50 year old family business, we fire folks who get tested with it... so I shouldn't even try it :/
 
I have smoked before, and to tell you the truth it was enjoyable. 7 years clean, The worst side effect of pot smoking was the overeating. Not good for crohnes thats for sure.
I have 2 views on legallizing mary jane. first your opening pandoras box by legallizing it. Now you have someone who is unable to pay the bills getting a script that soon comes up for sale ( the designer drug dealer ). Then again if you legallize it, you save money as a tax payer on the war on drugs. If people choose to do drugs then so be it ( legallize it ).
 
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I have done and it and nothing. It didnt help with my pain and you don't even get "high" you dont feel anything. Dont do it go get a pain prescription instead.
 
Wow. That was some thread just got through it all.

My thoughts... I have nothing whatsoever against weed. It should never have been banned to begin with. His history lesson about hemp and it's sudden demise is true as far as I know.

I know the effects it has on arthritis sufferers and the relief they get. Humira has a similar effect to them as well. So it's no giant leap to think it might benefit us as humira does.

That said, I smoked at collage at parties, but nothing since. I have nothing against it, but when it's been offered to me after collage, I would have had a drink and wouldn't have mixed the 2.

Proper debate is needed on this subject in all parts of the world.
The only place in the world that has an adult attitude to this in Amsterdam. It's not actually legal as such over there, you can buy it in licenced coffee shops and smoke/eat it there or in private, but not in public.
They have found, apart from the drug tourism it started, that the drug problem in the city is a lot less than it was before legislation.

It's always going to be a topical debate and no politician is ever going to start the debate so it's something that will not be solved in our lifetime.
 
Jesus titty f'n christ.

I feel like I jsut walked into a shit storm with my slicker on. :p

Do your own research. It may be for you it may not be.

It has helped me out more than I could ever imagine. The worst thing that can come from using cannabis is landing in jail...unless you live in a MMJ state.

I know Jobengals feels strongly about it & has some good facts but I feel like he is giving us that use it a bad name.

I do have to admit....I haven't been able to score any (aside from toking with a friend who is generous enough to share) since relocating in 2007 & it really sucks. :(
 
I want to throw my hat in the proverbial ring here...

I have been smoking pot for 4 years now...it defintely helps ME in times of flare-ups, by calming my tum down, and giving me an appetite. I smoked even before I had a diagnosis...because it honestly helped me so, so much.

However, a couple of my very good friends have tried pot recreationally, and it literally made them violently ill. So no, pot is NOT for everyone. To each his own. I believe that inhaling smoke of any kind will do some amount of damage down the line...just as if you were around a campfire for most of your life, and inhaling that smoke...smoke in your lungs is bad. period. BUT having said that, I smoke it, I dont vaporize or eat it. I realize I'm probaly doing some sort of damage to my lungs, but when I'm having a flare-up, nothing beats the relaxation MJ gives to ME. I guess I'm being naive about the other side-effects that it may have. And although some people that smoke seem to think there are no side effects to pot, I have to disagree. Just because they have never experienced side effects doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure that there is some sort of bad properties in weed...there's bad properties in virtually everything we ingest...pot isn't any different. Personally, I have not experienced any bad side effects...other than a bit of short-term memory loss (ie. going into a room to get something, and forgetting what it was when you get there.)...I'd rather have that than sitting on the can aaaaalllll daaayyy looooong.

I am lucky enough to live in Canada...BC no less, where the weed flows like water. haha. There is little to no risk of ever being arrested if you are caught with it, as long as it's a minimal amount (no more than a half).

For those of you sticking to your guns and not trying it, good for you! No one should feel pressured to do something they feel is morally wrong. Just try not to judge us folks that smoke. We're not all so confrontational!! haha.
 
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I have not experienced any bad side effects...other than a bit of short-term memory loss (ie. going into a room to get something, and forgetting what it was when you get there.)...
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Your bong or lighter. :D

BC bud is niiiiiiiiice. I don't know the strain that I had, but it was so pretty, covered in sparkly trichomes...it was so pretty I almost didn't smoke it. :eek:
 
I can comfortably state I judge people on actions and words more than habits, although, if I judge myself based on just this thread I'd likely think I was defending Jeff and Pen with more zeal than necessary. I've got a friend across town that dabbles in the stuff, though he didn't when we first met.
 
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uhm.... i am a smoker, I have been for several years... It has major medicinal purposes.. I hate when I have to get stuff done, and I cant leave the bathroom, or eat, so I smoke and I might as well have stayed in the bathroom, cause now I am stoned and unable to function.
But I am a regular smoker, and I have found its been my biggest aid through the last year and a half.
DAISY... it may be because we are island girls.. and BC loves its bud. Also in BC you can get a prescription without a doctors note, all you need is to hand over the release forms that the compassion club provides at the their website, and get your diagnosis on paper... crohns and cancer are basically the two that you just need proof of the diagnosis.
I believe Vic has a compassion club.. or at least it did when I lived there
I had to take percacete once, and i cried and shook every time my little alarm would go off to say it was time for another one... Marijuana has never made me throw up, cry or shake like that.
I just wish that I could choose when it made me stoned, and when it just made me feel better... I also wish I had more control over it.. I havnt had it in the house in a couple weeks, because I have to much work to do.. and if I have it, I will smoke it all day, and I cant do that right now.
Its the same with cigarettes for me too.. I have been working on quitting for the last couple weeks... first time in 10yrs that I have even tried.. and I do fine when I dont have any.. but if I have some, thats all I want to do.
Also.. I believe in the legalization for several reasons:
1.)legalize it and put an age limit on it.. I know it was harder to get smokes then pot as a teen
2.)It would put your neighborhood dope dealers out of business.. and really no neighborhood needs those.. they are sketchy
3.)extra taxes.. and in a province like mine, thats in debt and still spending non stop on the olympics, it could help fund other useless things that we dont need... or maybe make EI a little more accessible
 
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I want to throw my hat in the proverbial ring here...

I have been smoking pot for 4 years now...
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Daisy, Daisy, Daisy..... and you look like such a nice girl too...
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uhm.... i am a smoker, I have been for several years...
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Rose, We had such high hopes for you as well....

(HIGH hope... geddit... ahh shucks)
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So just a quick post then ill come back to read the thread....

I have used it and will cont. to do so when and if its the right time to help me! That being said it is NOT for everyone, and IMO shouldnt be used as a rec drug either!

I only use for PAIN and nothing more, for the simple fact that i hate the reaction of "not having control/lazy" type feeling with it. Same goes of Alcohol and Such! But if im in that kinda pain and have no Pain Killers then yes of course ill use it to help me so i dont pass out from pain and atleast "calm" the brain and body down so i dont deplete my self.

I am NOT the type of person who thinks "Only Western Mediciane"! Thats just plain Ignorance IMO!
 
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Sorry, found it. I am losing my mind. LOL good thing I dont smoke pot-huh?
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Smoking or not we all loose it sometimes hahahaha DOH! Tho ive never had the remembering probs that everyone talks about on it??? Huh???
 
I started smoking green when i was 14 up until i was 19 then stopped for 2years and then started again. Anyway i stopped again around 12months ago and that is when i first started get my symptoms. I am not saying for definite but i have my ideas on Crohn's and cannabis.
 
I'm pretty neutral on this. I guess I would consider trying it to see if it would help because I'm desperate for something that could help me. The problem is that it's illegal in the state I live in and I need to pass a drug test to get hired for just about any job here, so it's too much of a hassle. I have a buddy in california who had a doctor prescribe it for him. He says he has some kind of vaporizer that heats it up to a certain temperature, but none of the cancer gets in his lungs because it never burns.
 
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I have a buddy in california who had a doctor prescribe it for him. He says he has some kind of vaporizer that heats it up to a certain temperature, but none of the cancer gets in his lungs because it never burns.
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And for the most part hes write. Research Vaporizers(VapoWarez is one) for crohns treatment and such.... Vapoing is about the best way that is known right now that i know of to use it!
 
I haven’t read this entire tread... but ill give my experience.

I started using weed occasionally/regularly (2-3 times a week, weekends mostly) early in high school, this continued through my first year of collage. At that time I stopped entirely for about 4 years. Reason for quitting? Simply became un-enjoyable… would just become paranoid etc…

I was diagnosed with Crohn’s a couple years after I quit. Then a couple years later, this August, my condition went from about a 7 to a 1 within a week… a real shock and started experiencing first-time symptoms like severe diarrhea, nausea, weight loss, and sleep loss. This went on for a couple months even with the aid of prednisone at 60 mg. Slowwwwwly I began to recover. Once I started to see some minute progression to recovery I incorporated weed as an additional ‘treatment.’

I decided to start once again mainly in a search for something to help me sleep, I could only sleep for a few hours each night. Results? As far as sleeping… it helped, in a way, I was able to nap easier… but only after I ‘came down’ – a few hours after getting high. However, the biggest positive effect it had was with my nausea, I was constantly nauseous, but after using I always felt much better. Then as a cause of the decreased nausea, and weeds natural cause of increased appetite, it was easier to eat which was nice because I had lost close to forty pounds over those 2 months.

In the end, I think it did help me recover through the reasons given, however not drastically. Off course it doesn’t treat the actual cause of Crohn’s it only seems to mask the symptoms... but sometimes it gets to the point where that’s all we can ask for.

Currently I’m not smoking, in general I don’t like how I feel psychologically when I’m high, but it’s not a terrible experience either. Some people handle its effects better than others. At some point I’m sure ill use again, but not sure when. Also, someone mentioned and was concerned about smoking in general, act of filling your lungs with smoke as opposed to air… a valid concern. So I thought I would say this, for what it’s worth weed is more potent these days, even compared to the kind I would buy early in high school. During my ‘treatment’ with weed I would only take one good-sized hit, or two small ones, and had no problem feeling its effects, it small amount went a long way with respect to my severe nausea… again for what its worth.

Not trying to convince anyone either way here, and tried to give an unbiased account.
 
wow... that was a looong topic and well I'm gonna say what I have on my mind and just hope no one hits me with a cyber bat or something lol!

I've smoked weed for a looong time now. At one point in my life it was daily and mostly for fun BUT I have always kindda hidden behind it also in a way for pain. Lets go back to when I was a good little girl.... I was a cheerleader and into gymnastics... make a long story short, totally blew my right knee all to hell. Shriners said it was the worst sports related injery they had seen. I didnt go for surgery right away, I used a super duty knee brase for almost 3 years to keep it where it needed to be so I could still compete in cheering, needless to say tho after about a year I had to let the gymnastics go. (yea folks, this was when I relized that maybe I had a bone related issue - immune issue) Dr explained to me just how bad it was and Ill give you a visual explaination... when i'd take the brase off... the kneecap would fall to the side of my leg. Dr was shocked I was able to walk, but thats what a $300 brase does, alot of metal to keep it there! It was at about that time I started smoking weed tho (not to get to far off this topic) It helped with the pain and back then all I could do was laugh so that was also a pluse. When I got surgery, I threw the pain pills across the room a few days after and just smoked a joint.... the effect of pain relief for me was not a totally numbing type like that of a regual pain med but more of a ... mind numbing so I'd forget it better i guess I could say. It was also at this time I started getting sicker with my crohns, unable to eat, unable to hold down food when I did eat, and jus feeling well.... "messed" up (Im so nice I even cencored myself :) ) I had alot of aches and pains in my muscles and bones also, so I started smokein daily again...About a year and a half ago is when I stopped smokin all together (weed that is) simply because I wanted a Dr to take my illness seriously. I figured it wouldn't look good if I couldn't pass a piss test so... I just stopped, no withdrawl or anything, sorry but weed is seriously not addictive and we all know that if we just stop taking the pred what will happen... at least i sure in the hell do :ybatty: ! now that I have been diagnosed and everything, I do smoke weed every now and again, be it for fun or be it for the fact I want to eat or get some pain relief without taking the tramodal the Dr has me on (the few things in this world I cant stand are crack heads, coke heads, hard drug users in general and pain meds - know too many pain pill addicts and well seen too many of my once upon a time good friends die from hard drugs and / or pain meds) pain meds are nice when a person needs them and I myself take them more than I'd like to, but I'd rather stick with weed if it were an option. Only time anyone dies from weed is if they are alergic, if it has been laced, or due to other health related issued such as asthma. It will get you high but then again alot of pain meds well get ya "messed" up also , either way you are altering your state of mind not your body like with a steriod. Id also like to point out that it can be made into tea and there are also THC gel tabs out they give out to people with cancer. So for anyone who is not wanting to do further harm to thier body by smoking or inhaling in any way and those who dont wish to eat it, there are those options. The pill form is out there, I know a coupple people that get them so it is an option, it just hasn't been put out for us or anyone in general without haveing cancer. They dont consider it to be of help as of now... or should I say they see it as help but it will soon be like morphine or oxy if they start handing it out to anyone who is in pain and such. I will also point out another fact that I didn't see anywhere (if i have repeated anything then sorry, that was a bit long ya know) Smokeing in general is not good for any of us crohnies, smoke not only travels to your lungs but also into your stomach so those of you who dont smoke, good for you, dont start, I'm glad you dont have the habbit so now you dont have to worry about it or try to quit. I think that is all I wanted to say... I'm sure I'll post here again but for now I think I have wrote you all an essay long enough to get back at you all for makin me read 3 pages lmao!

oooo b4 i leave this as is.... sometimes weed actually intensifies pain. I have had this experience more than once, not with crohns pain but dear god i threw my back out once, couldn't even walk and got high and well... that just made it worse, it is not a cure-all! For crohnies in general id have to say the pill form would be a great option vs the pain meds we now take. Over all tho, Id rather have something that is going to change my body and actually make it go into remission or cure it not just something to hide it. I'm sick of hideing and Im sick of being sick in general!
 
I'm just throwing in my vote that I am a daily cannabis user and it helps me immensely with bouts of nausea, pain and loss of appetite.

With the prednisone, it seems to cause a little extra paranoia... I'm trying to limit my use to just before bedtime, to help me relax, have a snack and get sleepy.
 
CB1 and CB2 are proven to heal the intestinal lining stopping the 'ACID SHIT' as I will call it. Please dont take offense to my language.

This also stops bleeding cramps, and 'attacks' where the crohn's can be rather painful and almost be uncontrolable.

Now Sativex is available in some countries, but it is the WRONG extract, DO NOT take sativa extract as it is highly psychoactive when consumed orally.

INDICA, is the breed you are after as this has a low level of CBD and CBN.

Funnily enough Hemp which is legal to grow has high levels of CBN and CBD, which is the 'trippy' feeling you get.... where as THC is more of a depressant.

Comparing THC to the current legal treatments the benefits far outweigh the legal implications such as sterility, morbid obesity, and surgery are not required if you start the treatment early.

THC stops blockages from occuring via bringing the inflammation down inside the bowel itself, which also stops the body from attacking the food like a virus.

Basically a disease is a genetic issue, and cannot be fixed as such without gene therapy.

A part of the gene which causes crohn's is temporarily fixed from the THC fitting into the broken part inside the brain itself.

Therefore temporarily fixing the problem, and giving you releif.

where as steroid treatments do not fix the problem but the symptoms.

Basically attacking the symptoms is not the way. People have been using the wrong idea of treatment for too long.

In the end some people still need the surgery and get bags from using the legal meds,

So what really do you have to loose?

If I became morbidly obese, sterile, and had bags, of course I would be depressed!...

so whats the risk? can you really be in a much worse situation than you are with your health? Give it a shot, before you attack me for my post.

As for the legal issues, screw them..... your health is your priority, and if you get caught and you goto court, dont back down.

Tell the judge why, tell him the scientific evidence to support your arguement, and have university studies presented.

The more people who support this, the more chance there is we may get a break.
 
Mrae...I think that pot kinda dries out the body a bit (hence the red eyes...and the need for, like, 5 bottles of Visine hidden around the house)...so that may have something to do with the intensifying (is that even a word?) of your back pain.

Speaking of pot...I am out, and my tummy is sore...blast you Crohn's!!
 
daisy_dueller said:
Mrae...I think that pot kinda dries out the body a bit (hence the red eyes...and the need for, like, 5 bottles of Visine hidden around the house)...so that may have something to do with the intensifying (is that even a word?) of your back pain.

Speaking of pot...I am out, and my tummy is sore...blast you Crohn's!!
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No it does not dry out your body.

The eyes are red from another reason......


as said it is CB1 and CB2 which stop the diorreah as your own body had its own cannabinoid receptors, so basically your stimulating these receptors which stop the cramps spasams, and diorreah.


come to think of it im also nearly out.......


last time I was out I nearly wound up in hospital.
 
All I can say is that Marijuana has been ENORMOUSLY helpful to me, and after my hospitalizations and surgeries was incredibly useful in gaining back weight and getting stronger.

I was diagnosed with Crohn's in 1999, and my condition was consistently painful and impossible to manage. In 2002 I started smoking pot on a semi-regular basis, and my health improved enormously.

I live in California, so a doctor's prescription makes it legal for me, and for good reason. It fights nausea, it improves appetite, it reduces pain, it increases well-being and heightens pleasurable activities.

I hate smoke, so I currently use a "vaporizer", (the Volcano), which reduces the cancer risk from combustion and makes it easier on my lungs and throat.

I've also made pills, baked cookies, and had tea.

I would never force it on anyone, but I would recommend it to anyone.

There is no possibility of Overdose, and abuse tendencies are low.

I was able to get a Master's Degree and a Bachelors from UCLA while using pot regularly, and maintained a healthy social life. I published articles, taught courses, produced events, and accomplished a great deal even while using pot on a semi-regular basis.

It is very pleasant, so someone using it does need to take responsibility to make sure they're not "over-using" it. You can use a small amount every day and be fine, but if you're "blazing" all day, every day (and aren't in agonizing pain or recovering from a major sugery), you'll need to cut down. The good news is, withdrawal is minimal, and addiction isn't physical, but merely psychological. This means you might get grumpy (like not having your morning coffee), but you're not going to get the shivers, the sweats, or the terrible withdrawal you experience with Vicodin or Percocet or any strong pain medication.

My advice: If nothing else is working and it's available to you (legally or otherwise), it's worth a shot if you need the help. Use a vaporizer or bake it (be careful, baking is MUCH stronger than smoking), and try to use it a few times a week.

If you find your brain moving slower or your short term memory fading, stop for a while, do some crossword puzzles and sudoku, get some exercise in, and take ginkgo biloba and drink green tea to flush some of it out of your system.

I would never pressure ANYBODY into doing it. I do think it should be legalized (at least for medicinal purposes), and I am incredibly grateful it's been in my life. It has never caused me any problems, and improved my quality of life tremendously.

Just my two cents.
 
Parkles love your reply keep it up, lets show the skeptics that we arent mentally derranged junkies.
 
i think CT just passed something having to do with decriminalization.

if you are charged with possesion of less that some ceretain amount, punishment= a mail in fine.

not sure where i saw this or if its 100% true....
 
WA is like that, if you're caught with less then an ounce then it's a misdemeanor possession charge. Not a huge deal.
 
can be caught with 1.25 oz here in maine and its a 350 ticket and nothing but a civil offense lol, they are trying to make it so you can carry up to 1.5lbs and its still civil offense here lol
 
Jeff D. said:
Any substance one is not used to or a sudden change in habit,ie smoking even once, can make your symptoms come out. Since Crohn's is genetic it may or may not need a trigger to send one into a flare. The trigger can be anything be it a type of food, an allergy, or something else. Everyone is different with this disease so one person can react to stimuli different then another.

Take something like Benedryl, some people get sleepy when they take it, others get hyper, and still yet others have no affect. Cannibis may be affective for one but for another can be ineffective and for another it could hurt them.

Remember though that smoking anything can give you lung problems in the future such as lung cancer or lung disease and I for one would rather be in pain then be on an iron lung or dead. If you decide to take cannibis don't smoke it but eat it instead. Not that I'm saying people should start taking the stuff. I'm against it personally but I'm against anything illegal or things that alter a persons state of mind. I don't even take pain meds until someone tells me to take them or if I will be around others that may freak out if they see how much pain I'm in.

I send out the disclaimer because I don't want to see anyone get caught and have to spend even a day in jail with this terrible disease, but hey at least your cell mate will leave you alone :D, or have to pay a fine. I like to watch out for my fellow Crohnies and I don't want any of you to get into trouble. So with that I will probably respond to any other posts directed to me tomorrow night when I get home from school cause I got to get up early.
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Sorry I know this thread is pretty old but this post really made me mad. I just hate it when people go around tossing assertions like this that have absolutely no merit. Crohns may be genetic (doubtful), or it may not be, there is scientific evidence that supports both sides of the argument. You just make it sound like everyone's mind is made up, when the jury is still out.
 
Actually, all the studies support the genetic, including the genetic markers they've found supporting it. Just sayin'.
 
I don't get it, to admit that Crohns is genetic, is to admit that a small percentage of humans (which happens to be increasing) have always had Crohns like symptoms, since...the beginning of time. You don't honestly believe that do you? You think people have ALWAYS had Crohns? That this disease is actually natural and we're supposed to feel like this? And that the environment, one that has taken part in DRASTIC changes in our food supply the last 50 years, and drastic changes to our planet HAS NOTHING to do with our debilitating condition? I just have a hard time coming to the conlcusion that it's genetic when both of my parents are perfectly healthy, brother and sister are perfectly healthy, grandparents no stomach problems ever, and nobody in my immediate family has any type of stomach problems, nor expressed those problems, EVER. Surely somebody in my family must have it if it's genetic. If somebody told me dwarfism is genetic, I could understand why, because most of the time the parents have the problem and they pass it onto their children. But Crohns? Nah. You can shove all the studies you want in my face and I'll never believe it, based on sheer logic.
 
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Nobody in my entire family, extended or immediate, has IBD, yet here I sit with this diagnosis and slew of bad memories. Statistics is a broad subject that goes beyond anecdotal evidence. I can tell you're trying to find rationale behind your suffering, but even with this being genetic, that doesn't undermine what we endure. Many genetic predispositions have a "1 in a thousand" marker, some are closer to one in a billion, yet they're still "genetic". It's a sick game of chance. Sometimes it's just a matter of the right combination, the anti-lottery, if you will. Nobody's "supposed to feel like this" it's just a sh*tty hand dealt, and we have to push through.

Genetics is a very complex concept, and is subject to mutation and adaptation. Evolution is not always advantageous to a species. If something is genetic now, that doesn't mean it was inherently present since Adam and Eve, or apes, dependent on your belief criteria. The ebb and flow of genetic predisposition and alterations to DNA is so complicated that it's not fully understood yet, but the common consensus among the scientific community is that after finding 6-8 genes with markers for IBD during decades of research, it's seen as genetic enough to be deemed with having such a trait. The CARD15 gene has been linked to our disease.

Something genetic also doesn't have to be "natural" as I just explained, mutations and predispositions can happen outside what nature intended. Being "genetic" also doesn't nullify any environmental factors as you assert, it can be both. The environmental factors may have altered the DNA, making it both. Many factors go into it, and I think you're trying to simplify the matter.

There's also the statistic that demonstrates about 1 out of 5 Crohn's/IBD sufferers have an immediate family member with IBD as well. That puts the chances of a family member having it at 20%, which is far above the empirical 6 or 7 out of 100,000 that epidemiology shows otherwise for "normal people" to have Crohns.

If you'd like more information, you can go here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11385577
 
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hey naps
its not always liek that with diseases and genes. are you aware that two perfectly normal adults can give birth to a baby that has dwarfisim? this can only happen when both parents have the recessive gene for the disease. ALL the other family memebers can be perfectly normal, but somewhere in there the recessive gene got passed down and the very slim chance of producing a chilid with it occured.
same with crohns. your family members dont have the disease cause they dont have the dominant genes for it, but DO carry the genes, unbeknownst to them.

i hope that makes sense...
 
So basically, from what I've gathered after reading the link you posted, is people with Crohns contain this CARD15 gene. Nobody other than people with Crohns have this trait. In the pubmed article it specifcially states " effect of environmental factors in a genetically predisposed host". Meaning, the ENVIRONMENT is what activated this gene. So what happens if that certain "environental trigger" is removed from the equation? Nothing happens because that environmental trigger is taken away and everyone goes onto live normal lives. Hence, the environment caused the Crohns.

Perhaps more people with family members have Crohns because immediate family members are likely to take part in similar lifestyle choices. Or maybe because they are more likely to go and get tested for Crohns since they have a family member that has it.

I read in another thread where somebody said Crohns is incurable, which is why we have to constantly be "treated" and will never be cured. Well, why is it then that I have met personally, and found people diagnoed with Crohns all over the internet that have "healed" themselves through diet alone, JUST DIET. If something simple, like changing your diet can have such a profound effect on the severity of Crohns, how can Crohns be labeled genetic, when a simple lifestyle change can dramatically improve your conditions? Why is it that the rate of Crohns keeps increasing in the United States? Why is Crohns much less prevalent in Asian countries? Why is there a correlation between the inroduction of western food into asian countries and rising rates of Crohns in those countries? Why is Crohns less prevelant in under developed countries?

All I'm trying to say is the environment HAS to play "some" factor in Crohns.

I'll have more on this in a few days...
 
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Naps22 said:
Why is it that the rate of Crohns keeps increasing in the United States?
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IMHO.......the rate of CD is increasing because there are more people with the genes for crohns (whether dominant or recessive) that are surviving to the point of being able to have babies, thus passing along the genes.
think about it....100 yrs ago or whatever, someone with excessive D wouoldnt be able to rehydrate quick enough and would simply just die. now we just go in the hospy for food and drink via iv, we live, its that simple.

as more and more people with the genes survive to adulthood and far beyond as we do today...the chance of them meeting another with the CARD15 gene or whatever also increases. reproduction ensues and bam out pops a crohnie baby.
ANOTHER person the world with CARD15, except for him/her, the likelyhood of passing on CARD15 to THEIR offspring is even higher as its dominant in their case

see the cycle that modern medecine has caused?
same for other diseases that are on the rise. it is not just crohns by any means
 
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Environment can be a trigger and yes it's likely that if we all ate no preservatives and healthy food then the trigger would not be there, there are other triggers though but we won't go there right now. Once the Crohn's gene is triggered through environment then it's hard to stop. Some people with Crohn's can put their Crohn's in remission through diet but if you have a very bad case of Crohn's and scar tissue then diet alone isn't going to do much.

Most people with Crohn's are of European descent which means that Europeans have a higher chance of possessing the CARD15 gene. Others will not have it. Other cultures have diseases that Europeans don't get.

Let me ask you how long you have been diagnosed?
 
lol, I've had Crohns for the last 13 years, since I was 8. So, probably longer than you.
 
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So, probably longer than you.
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what makes you assume that

this isnt a competitive forum ok??
whether its been 10 months or 10 yrs we are all very smart and informed.
jeff's just trying to be helpful and share his opinions.
 
Naps, everyone has the gene I mentioned (CARD15 is also referred to as NOD2) , it's the mutation of this gene that is implicated in IBD. This gene is not "activated", it's present in each of us, it's the mutation that is the defining factor in IBD. We can be born with a different "variety" of a gene, hence deformations and diseases. And after looking on Wikipedia, they say it's not 6-8 genes like I'd read a while ago, but now closer to 30 that are showing relation to genetic linkage, and like I had mentioned, environment DOES play a role. As far as science can tell, it doesn't seem to be 100% genetic, but it's not 100% environmental. It has to be the right mix of the two, from what research shows.

Think of it like this: If one was born with the possibility for IBD, they have a "loaded gun". The pulling of the trigger on this gun would be the environment they are subjected to, whether food, atmosphere, pathogens, infection, or other anomalies are the pulling of it, they had to be born with a loaded gun, and have the trigger pulled by the right catalyst. Science shows these two things must happen, it's not one or the other, though some debate still persists on that. So some people could be born with it loaded, and live 100 years without ever having the trigger pulled just because of the life they led; born to have IBD genes, but be lucky enough to evade the trigger pulling their whole life. Other people are born and the trigger is pulled before they leave the hospital at birth, but most Crohn's patients end up somewhere in the middle age/time-wise. And finally, some people are born without a loaded gun at all, but every day are subjected to the pulling of a trigger, something in the environment, it's just that they had no genetics, or predisposition, to have IBD from these environmental elements, so even with the perfect catalysts at play, they may be fine (debates also exist on certain pathogens, like the MAP bacteria, which is both the loading and trigger-pulling according to some theories). It's simply a "recipe" for a crappy life.

Now think about America. We have roughly 300 million people, the majority of which have roughly the same diet in the grand picture of nature (processed foods, etc..), and for the most part, access to the same foods. Yet only a tiny fraction, around a million or fewer (depending on if you count Ulcerative Colitis and account for yet-to-be-diagnosed) who have Crohn's Disease, somehow well over 99% of Americans seemed to avoid the disease. What did they do different? Was it anything they did or didn't do, or was it a susceptibility they were born without? Is food a factor, are immunizations, medicines, pollutants? I'd think the logistics of it all tells the tale well enough. You have to think about the big picture, if you think minutely about your own disease and family, or just us forum members, you'll only skew the reality of it.

Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia on the genetic facets:

Genetics

Some research has indicated that Crohn's disease may have a genetic link.[31] The disease runs in families and those with a sibling with the disease are 30 times more likely to develop it than the normal population. Ethnic background is also a risk factor.

Mutations in the CARD15 gene (also known as the NOD2 gene) are associated with Crohn's disease[32] and with susceptibility to certain phenotypes of disease location and activity.[33] In earlier studies, only two genes were linked to Crohn's, but scientists now believe there are over thirty genes that show genetics play a role in the disease, either directly through causation or indirectly as with a mediator variable. Anomalies in the XBP1 gene have recently been identified as a factor, pointing towards a role for the unfolded protein response pathway of the endoplasmatic reticulum in inflammatory bowel diseases.[34][35]
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The whole thing is a big "game of chance" as far as it goes, unless the two parents can somehow calculate the specific chances of an IBD offspring. A roll of the dice is how each of us got it.

Here is the Wikipedia section on environment:

Environmental factors

Diet is believed to be linked to its higher prevalence in industrialized parts of the world. Smoking has been shown to increase the risk of the return of active disease, or "flares".[36] The introduction of hormonal contraception in the United States in the 1960s is linked with a dramatic increase in the incidence rate of Crohn's disease. Although a causal linkage has not been effectively shown, there remain fears that these drugs work on the digestive system in similar ways to smoking.[37]
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Also, there currently is no cure, correct, but the modulation of diet can bring relief in some, they are not "cured", they still "have Crohn's Disease", you have to learn to decipher between "cured" and in remission. And "never" is a strong word to throw around when speaking about a cure. While I've mentioned the truths that are commonly accepted by the majority of the medical community, Crohn's still eludes a full understanding. Everyone has it differently, and Crohn's is so mysterious that a simple diet alteration could "heal", as you put it, one patient, while that same diet could make another patient worse than before, it's that different for each of us. That doesn't mean that it isn't genetic, just that Crohn's varies that much patient to patient.

And to add, a tenure of having the disease does not automatically grant you more knowledge and/or insight about the disease and its workings over someone with less time with it. Most of the best GI's in the world don't have Crohn's, but know more about it scientifically (not personally) than nearly everyone who has it does. What does that tell you?
 
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Crohn's disease is a roadside brush fire. Genetics are the dry brush by the side of the road. ParaTB is the cigarette thrown out the window. No dry brush = significantly lower probability of a fire, and no cigarette = no chance of a fire.
 
A nicely worded, more concise analogy, you sir, are a gentleman and a scholar; though, your willful aversion to this topic via verbal repetition has seemingly failed you. :)
 
I'm convinced the weed actualy lowers the awareness of shitting ones pants. but I dunno.

I told a friend of mine that I am elgible for medical marijuana and now hes out looking to get me some for my birthday >< what a pal.
 

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