Liquid Imodium and Pediatric Indeterminate Colitis

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JRA

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I wanted to share the story of my son's indeterminate colitis (probably Crohn's) so that it will be searchable in case anyone else ends up in the same situation.

When my son was 4 years old he came down with a cold, and then started having diarrhea. Many kids we knew were sick at the time so we thought little of it. After a couple of days, I saw what seemed like blood in his stools. Started having lots of abdominal pain. Then began the long process many of you probably remember. We ruled out every conceivable pathogen. Twice. We put him on a brat diet. Tested for allergies. Gave myself a virtual Phd in gastroenterology. His labs were generally good. And nothing helped. Didn't sleep. That didn't help either.

Had an atrocious doctor whom we abandoned after a month for the fantastically good staff at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. They suspected perhaps polyps. By the time the colonoscopy was finally scheduled, the symptoms had, for no particular reason, decided to go away. The scope showed signs of acute inflammation (no polyps), but the consensus was that it probably had been a difficult virus. No signs of chronic condition.

We were spending our summers in Alaska, and in August, when the blueberries were everywhere near our cabin, our son had a recurrence of symptoms. After a few weeks and a somewhat restricted diet, he returned to normal. Over the next year, there were more of these puzzling flares maybe once every two or three months. I developed lots of hypotheses (fructose sensitivity? lingering pathogen?), but nothing seemed to pan out.

At some point during the next summer, we gave him a small immodium dose when the bleeding returned, and within two days he was completely back to normal. We did this a number of times, each time with the same effect. During that period, the flares were perhaps become slightly more frequent, and I was increasingly coming to the conclusion that he had ulcerative colitis, and that it had simply not been sufficiently develop at the time of his colonoscopy for CHOP to have observed the physical hallmarks of chronic inflammation.

As as result of my amateur diagnosis, we stopped using the immodium "cure" for fear of toxic megacolon. As a result, his flares started going longer, and eventually, by the time he turned 6, seemed like they were going to become a permanent condition. His second colonoscopy confirmed colitis, of indeterminate variety, and we started on Pentasa, which did nothing. I suggested to the doctor that we switch to Asacol in order to focus the mesalamine on the colon. (The lad was always good at swallowing pills.) Doc agreed. Some positive effect, but not much. Upped the dosage, which seemed to show an additional small positive effect. But did not really stop the bleeding.

All throughout this time we were concerned with the details of diet. Certain triggers were obvious: chocoloate, large volumes of sugar (Halloween), blueberries. Others were less obvious (whole grains, raw vegetables, etc). It was galling to have the one child in the world who actually LIKED vegetables not be allowed to eat them. We were also giving him VSL3.

After many months without success, the doc started talking about steroids. The bleeding was slow, but the labs were getting very gradually worse. And of course, constant inflammation is not a good thing even at relatively low levels. My wife and I had wanted to avoid the steroids if at all possible, partly because of the obvious side effects and partly because the research I had read indicated that the move to steroids tends to correlate with more steroids. I asked the doc to try Rifaximin, which he agreed to, but it also failed to improve the situation.

As a last effort, I explained to the doc our early immodium experiences, and asked if he had any objection to our trying out a small dose of that drug. (I should also add that certain aspects of my sons case tend to indicate crohn's rather than UC.) The doc had no objection.

We gave a pediatric dose of immodium. No stools the next day. The day after that, the first bowel movement without blood in months. And so it has continued. His stools start to get loose, we give a scant teaspoon of imodium. Things return to normal in a day or two. Asacol and VSL3 have continued throughout. Hope that nothing changes. (Son is now 8.)

We moved to the west coast and my wife explained all of this to the new doctor, but he clearly doesn't believe a word of it. Nevertheless, the labs are good, so he's not arguing.

Obviously, I'm not prescribing anything here, just sharing an experience so that if anyone else runs into a similar experience, they have the confidence to raise it with their doctor.

Finally, I do have a hypothesis (as is my wont). Loperamide (the imodium drug) works as a kind of tranquilizer--an anti-anxiety medication that affects only the enteric nervous system in the gut (it's an opioid that does not pass through the blood-brain barrier). There is also a high correlation between IBD and anxiety disorders and even more obvious connection in people with IBS. My son himself demonstrates some relatively minor (but noticeable) features of anxiety. The question this raises, of course, is the involvement of the nervous system in the etiology of IBD and the extent to which IBD might be an umbrella covering a cluster of diseases of various etiologies. One sub-class might be inflammation caused by a spastic enteric nervous system which over-reacts to irritants both pathogenic and alimentary.
 
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:welcome: JRA. I have read your story and your son has alot of symptoms of crohns. IBD is very hard to fully diagnose, and having surgery at any time of his life it is best to be certain.

I have crohns and my older sister has crohns colitis, she bleeds, I dont but we have many here who do. Some doctors think because the large bowel is affected it is not crohns. My older brother has UC but is controlled by diet and no alcohol.

Too bad the Rifaximin didnt not work. I take Vsl but wasnt until recently again. We dont have Rifaximin in Canada and they say that combo is good for UC. Seeing as you are leaning towards crohns, it could be why. Everyone can benefit from probiotics, but some work better in certain areas.

Has he never been on antibiotics other than Rifaxamin? From experiences on here it is said to no over use imodium. Better with natural or some use cholestyramine. I have had two resections and rarely have D now, always have loose bowels but oatmeal for breakfast seems to make it easier on the bowels to move. If bms are floating too much fat , if the sink or more condensed, it is fibre. We still need some fibre. Flaring with fibre is avoided. Dairy products also.

Lots of info here and other parents here with questions of their children, check out that thread.

Welcome aboard!
 
Pen,
Thanks for the note. You raise a point I should comment on to clarify my son's story: aside from his initial flare, he has never had a traditional "diarrhea" problem as many with IBD do. That is, even when bleeding, he would tend to have only one or two bowel movements per day. So, to clarify the imodium usage, I would say on average he has about 1/3 of a pediatric dosage per month. In other words, a very, very small amount.

Rifaximin was the only antibiotic he's been on; Flagyl was the first suggestion, but Rifaximin had the most promising research at the time, so we went that route.

One of the hard things about this is trying to control all the variables. I suspect that the VSL3 is part of what keeps him in check (particularly if it is taken religiously), but I can't say for sure.
 
As I always say, if it ain't broken don't fix it. I take a low dose Flagyl only because I have exhausted every drug available in Canada. Hope your son continues to improve. Stress or anxiety can be a culprit for flares. Counselling could help , I think everyone intially should seek help in the early diagnosis, it helps to cope. I am happy you are here for your son!
 
Hi JRA and :welcome:

First up, I have to say when I read your name and story title I was waiting for the connection to Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis (JRA)! :lol:

Your boy is very lucky to have such informed and strong advocates for his health, good on you. :)

Both of my children have Crohn's and my son also finds that Imodium (Advanced) works well for him, he has diarrhoea post resection, when needed. There certainly is a link between anxiety and IBD and many members here can attest to the fact that stress plays havoc with their gut.
If your son does have Crohn's, I wonder if he might also have ileal involvement? Hence the tendency away from diarrhoea.

I hope things continue to go well on the treatment. Good luck and welcome aboard!

Dusty, xxx
 
Hi JRA and welcome to the forum :bigwave: Thank you for sharing this info, it is very interesting and I think it is wonderful that you have been able to stay away from the steroids. How are things currently for him? One thing I was wondering is has he had a full vitamin check? Is he on any supplements? The main ones to check are are vitamin B12 and D as its common for us to be deficient in these.
 
Hi JRA and welcome :)

That is indeed an interesting case, thank you for sharing your son's story and joining our community :)

The Imodium variable in the equation is certainly an interesting one and I enjoyed pondering your theory! Any thoughts on any of the "inactive" ingredients in liquid imodium playing a role such as the citric acid?

I also agree with Angrybird about having his vitamin B12 and D levels checked if they haven't been.

One last thing... you mentioned wanting this to be searchable by others. Would you object to me renaming the thread, "Liquid Imodium and pediatric indeterminate colitis" for improved search results?

Again, welcome, it's great to have you here and I hope you become a regular!
 
Welcome JRA

I agree with David.

I just took my bimonthly B12 shot and took prescription strength 50,000 IU of Vitamin D.

Best Wishes
 
Thanks for the comments, particularly the vitamin level check suggestions. My son has been on a daily multivitamin from near the start of all of this. I suppose I've wondered about b12 in spite of this. Can any of you comment on whether daily children's vitamin multivitamin supplements are likely to be sufficient?

My sense was that D was probably not a problem for him because he drinks a lot of milk (another somewhat unusual aspect of his case is that adding or removing milk from his diet has never shown any effect at all).

David, I think the re-titling is a good idea. Have never thought about the non-loperamide ingredients in Imodium, but now I'm curious. I suppose it seems like a long shot given how pronounced the reaction is.
 
If he has active disease in his terminal ileum and/or scarring there, a daily multivitamin will definitely not have enough B12. Many don't materially benefit from the oral route and have to have regular B12 injections.
 
I see. The scope showed inflammation mainly in the transverse colon. Nothing in terminal ileum or sigmoid. Still probably worth checking what the levels are.
 

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