MM card in Toronto

[slydvl]

I've decided to try and talk to my doc tomorrow to see how he feels about it.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I have found that smoking eliminates my cramping and cuts my bathroom trips to less than half. I really hope he agrees with this.
Wish me luck!

 

[JynxGirl]

Good luck!!! I hope you have some success!! A lot of doctors love the idea of MM, but won't actually write their names to the paperwork.

 

[slydvl]

I honestly dont believe he will go for it at all. But its worth a try. And if he says "no" , I'll just move on to the next doc!

 

[vonfunk]

Interim all you need from him is a statement of diagnosis to get access to the Toronto Compassion Clinic. As long as you are discreet with your use, the cops won't be an issue. They are lenient to those with a TCC membership.
The statement of diagnosis does not need to come from your GI, I had my GP sign the forms .

 

[slydvl]

Thanks Vonfunk. I'm seeing my GI today after work. I'm going to ask him his opinion and ask to see if he will fill out the statement of diagnosis. I'm assuming he won't once he know why I want it. I heard that to actually receive the card takes some time which is why I am trying for the compasion now.
On a side note, a friend of mine is making some oil this weekend for himself. He has cancer. And he is giving me a little to see if it works as well or better than smoking.

 

[vonfunk]

The TCC has forms you can print off, the doctor is required to sign the statement of diagnosis, and you fill out forms stating that they can call to confirm that you indeed have UC.
Be up front with your doctor, if he isn't old then you shouldn't have any issues with him filling it out, when I switched GIs and listed the marijuana as part of of my medication, he looked at the amount and said "really that it, that's not very much"

 

[slydvl]

I've printed off the forms from the TCC web site.
Keeping my fingers crossed that all goes well.
Thanks again

 

[slydvl]

Well, to my surprise, my doc was all for me using mj. His words to me when I told him that the cramps were gone and the trips to the bathroom were less than half were " I could have told you that!"
But, all he was willing to do was give me the letter of diagnosis so I can go to the TCC.
Good enough for me!

 

[vonfunk]

Excellent. Doctors are still hesitant to go the distance when it comes to MMJ for UC patients, because it can be "cured" by removing the colon. If it was Crohn's you'd have a slightly better chance, but it is still tough to get the legal exemption. As it stands in Canada you need to basically be dying.

 

[slydvl]

He pretty much said the same thing, that it wouldnt be as much of an issue if I had crohns.

 

[vonfunk]

The TCC is a good place, it's as above board as you can get in an illegal industry.

 

[Paladin]

The TCC is a good place, it's as above board as you can get in an illegal industry.

Pot is not illegal if a federal license is issued, mine is for 10Kgs and allows indoor and outdoor cultivation. Seeds supplied by Health Canada.

TCC has been busted several times, staff beaten and taized by cops.

NEVER TRUST THE COPS, it doesn't matter what card you carry if it is not
issued by the Feds.

As a footnote, my doctor got raided last week for signing consent forms,
RCMP wants to send a clear message to the compassionate doctors.
20 officers kicked in his office and home doors and then chose not to lay charges, just throw stuff around and yell at patients.

Not sure if able to post links, so just goog bancrofttimesthisweek and
enter doctor raids.

Seems the new conservative MP for the area is a hater.

 

[vonfunk]

The MMAR states that a grower can only provide for two people. The TCC acts as a middleman which due to the current regulations is illegal. Yes the TCC is illegal, it operates as an open secret, the building is marked and the cops know it is there. The agreement is place, unofficially that is, if the TCC does not cause any issues, the cops leave them alone. If someone complains to the police, they call the TCC and have them deal with it.

This is Toronto and not Bancroft, I've been to Bancroft many time, my Grandparents lived 30 minutes outside of town. Things are more lenient here than there.

 

[Paladin]

The MMAR states that a grower can only provide for two people. The TCC acts as a middleman which due to the current regulations is illegal. Yes the TCC is illegal, it operates as an open secret, the building is marked and the cops know it is there. The agreement is place, unofficially that is, if the TCC does not cause any issues, the cops leave them alone. If someone complains to the police, they call the TCC and have them deal with it.

This is Toronto and not Bancroft, I've been to Bancroft many time, my Grandparents lived 30 minutes outside of town. Things are more lenient here than there.

When did they succeed from canada?

You notice no charges laid, real medical doctor, office raided, stuff broken
and sneak into the night like they used to in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

BTW, the club in toronto has twice been raided, staff beaten up by cops, you want me to PM the contact person there to confirm? I understand they arrest some note carriers last raid. Be careful, cops everywhere grow fat on the overtime this provides.

Get your MMR and grow your own, why risk a beating by cops or thieves?

 

[vonfunk]

I never said that they haven't been raided. They were raided a few years back, and they won. CALM was also raided, a couple of years ago. I don't know how that turned out. And the most recent raid was Vapour Central (owned by the same guy as TCC), they were raid be cause allegedly a cop purchase a hash brownie.

When I'm not at work and using my blackberry I will be more than happy to go deeper into this.

 

[vonfunk]

Okay. There is more than one club in Toronto, I can name off the top of my head. The Toronto Compassion Centre (TCC) was raided once in 2002, the owners and staff were arrested, the staff released without charges and the owner's charges were dropped a year and a half later.
C.A.L.M (Cannabis As Living Medicine) was raided twice a couple of years ago. Both times it was due to community complaints, which knowing about that place I would dare to say it was probably true. The first raid was terrible and complaints were made regarding excessive force. The complaints continued which is why they were raided a second time,that raid was peaceful with no injuries or damaged property. All staff members and patients were released without charges, however the owner of C.A.L.M, was charged with trafficking. The protests regarding it netted more people arrested than the actual raid.

Vapour Central was raided last year, due to a cop allegedly buying a hash brownie there. I can't say for certain if that is true or not.

Toronto has a very different attitude towards marijuana, there are several business that openly allow marijuana on the premises. Vapour Central even supplies papers and vaporisers for customers. At this point of time, cops only get involved if there are complaints.

Now everyone knows to not walk through the streets smoking a giant joint,that is common sense, and everyone knows the possible risks of treating with marijuana without having the exemption. Not everyone can get an exemption, and congratulations that your doctor did it for you. But UC is a lot harder to get the exemption because it can be "cured" by surgery.

Doctor's offices can get raided for quite a few reasons, I read the article provided no details as to why. The fact is they were looking for something and didn't find it. We all appreciate your concern, but for the sake of other who are seeking answers on treatment, do not start scaremongering. Especially if you don't have all the facts, which was shown by your claiming that the TCC has been raided several times by cops.

I will happily provide more information if requested, I will even track down information. If you are at all familiar with marijuana activism, you should be aware of Matt Mernagh. My room mate occasionally appears on his show as his resident nutritionist.

 

[slydvl]

The TCC is a good place, it's as above board as you can get in an illegal industry.

Was at the TCC today. What you said is true, they are as above board as you can get. Great to be able to talk with people with so much information as well.

 

[vonfunk]

I like the fact that the servers will not only give recommendations if asked, on a few occasions they have stopped me from buying a particular strain because they did not think it was up to par

 

[SkinnyNinny]

I've been thinking about going legit also, here on the west coast, but was advised not too since it just means you are on a government list somewhere and you risk a visit from the police should they choose to harass you. Also, the quality and price of the 'medical' grade weed is questionable. All in all, I don't think it's worth the hassle. Mind you, I do prefer not supporting organized crime...just out here there are many dealers who work independently. Besides, the REAL organized crime drug cartels are the pharmaceutical companies.

 

[guptash5]

I've been thinking of signing up with the TCC, I'm just worried about getting that confirmation of diagnosis form filled out from my gastro without him asking any questions. I'd rather him not know about my decision, I don't want him to treat me any differently.

 

[SkinnyNinny]

I agree, they do treat us like 'drug addicts', taking 'street drugs'. He'd rather put me on Humira or Remicade - I tried taking Imuran and had to stop after three days, even on a low dose.

My family doctor didn't make any comment when I told him I used cannabis, he just smiled. He still seems to be ok and treats me with respect - as I do with him.

I tried to have a discussion about those other drugs with my gastro and he argued hard to promote them. He's used to patients being unquestioning and trusting. I just wanted to understand what I was signing up for. Seemed there was no long term plan and I have been feeling well anyway.

I'm not too interested in registering to be a 'legit' MM user - being a number in some government list of people taking pot. Nobody else is on any such list for being on Imuran, it seems a bit unfair - though of course pot is illegal. Man, you can get a prescription for drugs that are way more harmful, potentially. Nobody ever died from an overdose, unlike morphine.